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News Room Contributor Posts: 1710 Joined: 19 Aug 2006 | |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 | why didn't they include the options: "I'm a xenophobic asshole who won't touch anything designed outside of my tiny island nation" or "I'm too busy watching a cartoon octopus fornicate with a captive young girl"? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1829 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 |
I love irony. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 | While many Americans are xenophobic, but it's considered a negative/low-class/uneducated trait in our society. Japanese proudly and openly mistrust and refuse to buy anything non-Japanese. It's a cultural norm that we don't share. So where is the irony? |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | I'm guessing it's because of the lack of exposure to guns (both cultural and legally) combined with the decades of exposure to rpg's. Compared to the American Idolization of guns (Cowboy movies, Right to Bear arms, Hunting, Ect.) But I guess blaming any difference in cultural attitude is just the better way to go about it, after all, judging a culture inferior to yours is SO much easier than actually trying to understand, right? |
Section Editor Posts: 323 Joined: 30 Nov 2007 | Japanese like the incumbant hero, and they are definitely not interested in a Western aesthetics. So to breakthrough with a FPS, all a developer needs to do is include a boyish faced protagonist, robot, or work within a cultural institution, like Gundam. I honestly think the aesthetic is the major sticking point. Japanese can't see themselves in Marcus Phoenix; that's not their idealized vision of themselves. Dante of DMC is. I lost my desire to play JRPGs sometime in my late teens for the same reason. |
Beat Writer Posts: 205 Joined: 21 Apr 2008 |
I was pretty much thinking something along the lines of that, and what tendo82 was saying. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2491 Joined: 3 Apr 2008 | sooo thats why the xbox failed in Japan |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Heck the only guns a Japanese person can even THINK about acquiring a gun in Japan are shotguns and even then they have to go through extensive licensing procedures, combined with a cultural attitude that frowns on guns and a remarkably low gun-crime rate makes it obvious as to why FPS games aren't popular in Japan. Makes you wonder why American Developers didn't do through market research. Also consider how Yahtzee (British) hates Jrpg's and loves FPS games, wouldn't it make sense for Japanese People to Love Jrpg's and hate FPS? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2491 Joined: 3 Apr 2008 |
fail. i know they have a different culture and all but still.... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2690 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
FPS's are plenty popular in Canada though, and we don't REALLY have access to handguns or assault weapons. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 | WW2 scared them silly in regards to anything involving realistic combat. Giant robots are OK though. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Yes but what we DO have is a large amount of American Cultural influence. Consider how many American T.V. shows and movies, and games we have in Canada, and it's really not surprising. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 |
He's making a garbage point. The Japanese don't have access to giant enchanted swords and magical spells either, but those games seem to flourish over there. |
Section Editor Posts: 323 Joined: 30 Nov 2007 | I didn't even consider the gun fetish angle. Excellent point Brognus. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 1710 Joined: 19 Aug 2006 |
This sentiment worries me as to what they're gonna do in World War 3. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Yeah and all Americans are Gun-Toting freaks who get off from violence. Isn't Stereotyping other cultures fun, kids?! |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 1 Jun 2008 | You're assumption that they don't have a love of guns is false. I will direct you to some of the Artwork of Masamune Shirow, which consists mostly of Gun-trabation. For a non-anime entertainment culture example, I will direct you to a movie called Versus. Lots of silly gun stuff there. I will also direct you to the very very large Airsoft community there. |
Beat Writer Posts: 131 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
Yes because we all know that they're secretively making one to overthrow the world. *cough*codegeasspropaganda*cough* |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2918 Joined: 4 May 2008 | Cultural influence doesn't explain the amount of western RPG players. There's nothing stopping a good JFPS except the Japanese designers don't want to make one. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Compare 'No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords' to "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." and it's pretty obvious which culture is more gun-inclined. Oh, I'd it's safe to say the amount of Illegal American guns outstrips Japanese guns. and I said they don't have a lot of guns, not that they have 0 guns. Per capita gun ownership in the US is FAR larger than japan. (Oh, and I'm pretty sure Yu Aida doesn't own a FN P-90 just because he draws one.) |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Oh and the western RPG, May I direct you to D&D, Gurps, Shadowrun, Warhammer, ect, ect, ect. |
Section Editor Posts: 323 Joined: 30 Nov 2007 | I'll be the first acknowledge that Americans love their guns. I went to junior high in a fairly rural area and had two classmates who shot themselves by accident because they were 13 and didn't have proper supervision. But really, we should be talking about the Swiss and Swedes. They should be making incredible FPS's assuming rates of gun ownership somehow correlated to quality in FPS's. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 |
On the Escapist, it's absolutely OK to stereotype Americans while at the same time condemning Americans for stereotyping others. If you can do both in one sentence, you get a gold star and a seat in the parliament of whatever silly little country you're stuck in. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | I think you need to replace your sarcasm detector, because yours is obviously broken. |
Muckraker Posts: 229 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 | This explains why I see so few Halo 3 players from Japan. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 |
i was agreeing with your sarcastic remark and adding one of my own. Now who's got a broken detector? |
Beat Writer Posts: 131 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 | Although I hate to say it I have to agree with UpInSmoke that japanese people are xenophobic dicks. They say they dislike shooters, but resident evil and metal gear solid are consider shooters as well. Aren't they selling well in japan? Sure american shooters are more violent and have stories that are bs, but does that really prevent you from actually liking it? |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Really? Because I found it to be inline with your previous posts. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Metal Gear is more stealth than shooter, and I'd argue that resident evil is more horror, but alas, I've never played the franchise. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Oh and just because a couple games from a particular have been successful does not make the entire genre popular, if anything it highlights how little games from the FPS genre there are in Japan. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 | whether resident evil is horror or shooter, you still spend the entire game running around and shooting people/things in the face with guns. The reason they accept RE is because it is Japanese. If Resident Evil 4 was designed by valve, they would not buy it. period. It's not about gun culture, it's about automatically dismissing anything non-Japanese. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | A couple of exceptions does not make the shooter genre mainstream. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 | Let's get realistic, it's a culture that revolves around the group and fitting in, not the individual and standing out. It's called Gesellshaft vs Gemeinshaft. I don't think FPS's are the problem, just they way they are designed. Make something along the lines of Ratchet and Clank with Hello Kitty Characters or cars and see how it measures up. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | No, it's more like western companies automatically assuming a game will do well in Japan just because it sells well state-side, likewise certain Japanese genre's fail to make headway into us mainstream. (Dating Sims spring to mind.) |
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Survey Says Japanese Dislike Shooters
Famitsu has catalogued a few reasons for the poor reception shooters receive in Japan.
The latest issue of Japanese gaming periodical Famitsu features an eight-page examination of the lackluster sales of first-person and third-person shooters in Japan.
Only 74.8 percent of readers surveyed stated they had experienced an FPS or TPS, and only 51 percent of that group demographic said they wanted to play shooters. Only 38.1 percent of the Japanese gaming market enjoys one of the most profitable genres in North America.
User submitted reasons read:
Not a single submitter stated that nausea or sickness, an inaccurate yet widespread explanation for the low penetration of FPS games in Asia, was a turn off from shooters.
Source: Famitsu via Next-Gen
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