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Gone Gonzo Posts: 2487 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 | Is it wrong to be mildly annoyed at the "Up yours, Buddy" part of this headline? It's just business, no need to make it sound like some epic feud is going on. Take-Two made them sign a bunch of non-disclosure agreements and apparently has some outrageous games that they think will s*** gold. EA doesn't agree and also noted that at this stage, the delays had been so significant that they wouldn't have merged in time for X-mas and would thus make the deal stagnate during the slow summer quarters. That would look bad to their shareholders because, hey why isn't my 2 billion dollar acquisition making me rich yet? But yeah, here's hoping Take Two does actually have something brilliant up their sleeves. They make some of the best and most creative games out there and it'd be a shame if they had to start downsizing. |
BANNED Posts: 5167 Joined: 26 Feb 2008 | Well, if Take Two was really that desperate to sell out, they would have let the Hostile Take over go through. Things may be looking a little bleak for them right now, but once those games hit the market, they will either make a huge profit (Yay for them) or get slurped up by the next opportunistic company that comes along, hopefully one that will still keep their originality intact. If EA takes them, or they go bankrupt, it is pretty much the same result for us gamers. User was banned for: Ipod Saves Girl's Life. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3415 Joined: 28 Jun 2008 | I don't get the concept of a 'Hostile Takeover' How can a company buy out another company without the other company consenting to it? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3617 Joined: 7 Aug 2008 |
With guns, a big white van and henchmen, no but seriously I have no idea. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2487 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 |
It's when...okay, you have a bunch of shareholders who "own" the company right? They put a manager, CEO, whatever in charge of the company. A hostile takeover is when the manager does not want to sell out but the hostile company is offering so much cash that the shareholders step in and order the manager to sell. It's a decision based on profits as opposed to what the actual managers think is best for the business. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3415 Joined: 28 Jun 2008 |
But surely that can't work if the shareholder is the manager and/or don't want to sell it, right? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2768 Joined: 18 Sep 2007 |
Correct, but you don't see "hostile takeovers" of privately held companies, which is the type you're describing. TT is publicly held, which means that shares are available on the stock market and shareholders can sell their shares to whomever they wish. A successful hostile bid can buy enough of these free-range shares (and votes) to win a stockholder's vote on whether to sell out or not, if I understand it correctly. -- Steve |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 623 Joined: 28 Jul 2008 |
Simply by buying a huge lot of stocks and becoming de facto the biggest shareholder, effectively owning the company, instead of negotiating agreements, it's a basic fact of the stock market, if I buy all your shares, I'm not merging with you, I'm litteraly eating your company. Now, knowing that CEOs are appointed by shareholders, if they decide they prefer EA's large reasure chests full of gold to TT's dividends, basically TT is sacrificed by the shareholders to their interest. |
On the Record Posts: 6100 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 | Stocks always drop after failed takeover/merger negotiations. Value will go back up, and T2 will be all the better for it as EA's stock dives based on crap games more often than not, and not being associated with EA will spare Take2 from that fall. |
Muckraker Posts: 232 Joined: 11 Aug 2008 | Sucks that their stock dropped, I don't know much about the gaming bussiness but i'm happy EA don't have a hand in Grand Theft Auto. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 785 Joined: 20 Sep 2007 | When it comes to creative works like books, comics, movies and games there is more than money to consider. This is why I don't like the stock market in general : P |
Time Lord Posts: 10005 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | Two words. Aaaaaah, gutted. :) T2 should buy out EA and get them to make some decent games, without DRM. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 623 Joined: 28 Jul 2008 | Not very likely, sadly... |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 783 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
I love that idea. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 447 Joined: 6 Aug 2008 |
The shareholders don't necessarily have to interfere with the game design itself. And someone has to pay the workers... |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 554 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 |
You can look at it that way, but... have you ever read pseudo-video game novel Lucky Wander Boy? There is a scene that discusses pretty much what you're talking about. The gist of it is that any piece of media that you have ever loved or found meaningful was only brought to you because some venture capitalist thought that he could make more money by selling it to you than he spent in buying the rights. That outlook might be a bit overkill on the cynicism, but it isn't far off. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 9 Joined: 13 Sep 2008 | Well now I've gotta go buy a crate full of GTA:IV to keep the guys up and runnin'. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 459 Joined: 4 Jun 2008 | Everyone, let's go buy Take Two stocks! |
On the Record Posts: 6100 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 | Screw that, if I had money for stock purchases, I'd buy into 3D Realms. It's high risk, but if DNF ever does hit the shelves, good or bad, people will buy it just for the sake of finally haveing Duke Nukem Forever. So buy 3D Realms while the price is so low, they'll practically pay you to take some. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1256 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 |
I don't see what would prevent private holdings from failing to the golden siren if a big shiny bill was agited in front of the nose of private shareholders. It's just that it would happen behind the scenes. The principle would be the same. |
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EA To Take Two: Up Yours, Buddy
Like two ships passing in the night, Electronic Arts and Take Two have honked their horns, flipped each other off and are now sailing quietly away and apart, under the moon's glow.
EA issued a press release today announcing the end of negotiations to acquire fellow publisher Take-Two, saying that while it continues to have "high regard for Take-Two's creative teams and products," it has decided to terminate discussions of a buyout. The decision came despite efforts by Take Two to broker a more friendly deal between the companies, after months of resisting a hostile takeover attempt.
On the Take Two side, Chairman Strauss Zelnick responded by affirming the stockholders' decision to reject EA's hostile bid, adding that his management team remains "actively engaged in discussions with other parties in the context of our formal process to consider strategic alternatives."
It may be overstating things to say that a "formal process to consider strategic alternatives" is managementspeak for "Oh, God, please help us," but Take Two shareholders could very easily end up wishing they hadn't played quite so hard-to-get with EA. EA offered roughly $26 per share in its initial takeover attempt but Take Two management rejected the price as inadequate, based largely on the belief that the company's value would continue to rise leading up to, and following, the release of Grand Theft Auto IV in April. But while Take Two stocks did surge briefly in the wake of that launch, share prices began a slow but steady decline in June, falling well below the EA price point. Making things worse, after closing at $21.89 on Friday, the price plummeted almost 25 percent on the news of the EA deal falling through, and at this moment sits around $16.50.
So while the legions of EA haters and GTA fans may hail the day as a triumph, the reality may turn out to be very different. Take Two is now in a far more precarious position, and the future of the men currently at the helm, Zelnick and President Ben Feder, may depend largely on what they're able to do in the fallout of this falling-out. Take Two has an impressive stable of games but nothing anywhere near the scale of Grand Theft Auto is on the horizon, leaving the prospects for regaining share value a bit on the bleak side - unless a deal with a different company can be engineered. But with Take Two's current share price around 35 percent lower than EA's offer, and EA no longer interested, making that deal without looking like they blew an opportunity seven months ago is going to be a very tough play.
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