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Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 968 Joined: 9 Oct 2007     | Great, another developer has sold out. And not just any developer; it's Warren fuckin' Spector. Just another step on the path towards the video game industry becoming as shitty as the music and movie industry. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1612 Joined: 4 Sep 2008     |
I thought we passed that mark a while ago. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2770 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   |
He said he was tired of making games revolving around men in black leather carrying guns. What's wrong with that? It's not selling out. It's the equivalent of the Coen brothers making a comedy because they are tired of dark movies. Oh wait. |
Muckraker  Posts: 278 Joined: 6 Apr 2008    | This sucks so much. Stupid casual gamers. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1813 Joined: 8 Apr 2008    | "...any artist who doesn't want his or her work in front of the largest audience possible is nuts." Apparently if you're an artist who, you know, simply enjoys making art, you're nuts. >_< |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 983 Joined: 21 Feb 2008  | Well when video games shift out of vogue, don't come crying to us. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3664 Joined: 21 Jan 2008    |
Nah, we've still got a while to go. I mean, the hard core audience isn't marginalised yet. Well, completely marginalised. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 816 Joined: 19 Dec 2007    |
And here I was thinking that making a game that appealed to people who would want to play that game was the way to do it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 595 Joined: 26 May 2008   | "...warned that hardcore gamers...hardcore folks...hardcore demographic...hardcore gamer...hardcore gamers...hardcore" I'm sorry, what? I think we're getting too far into this whole 'hardcore' thing. Us people who own 360's, PS3's and the like should be called 'regular gamers.' People who play on their iPhones and computer should be called 'softcore.' Why can us supposed 'hardcore' gamers only play any FPS where we kill five people a second? I've played Bejewled and other indie games on my phone, so am I less of a gamer? I enjoy fragging people in Halo and making houses in the Sims, so am I a paradox? No, I am a gamer. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008  | I still love Warren Spector. This will not affect my shrine of him. At all. Still, I'm glad he's broadening his horizons. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 352 Joined: 17 Mar 2008   | Well, at least he's decided to turn his piercing gaze elsewhere before his lack of interest started effecting the games with men in black leather coats... with guns. Really, if he'd been losing his grasp there, at least he's going somewhere else before it stains his record with beautiful games like System Shock and Deus Ex. |
Wordsmith Extraordinaire  Posts: 10319 Joined: 28 Nov 2007   |
I have to agree with you there. Come on, people, you really want him to continue making your games when his heart's not in it? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4297 Joined: 20 Dec 2007    | I hope he goes crazy with his idea and makes it original like how the gaming world use to be. You can do that with a disney game if you wanted. (Though, "PURE" seems to be published by disney too... O_o ) Remember when an earthworm in a spacesuit was considered "normal" back then? |
Wordsmith Extraordinaire Posts: 10319 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 | Ah, Earthworm Jim. Never actually played it, but heard good things about it. *grumbles about the fact that he had a Super Nintendo, and his cousin never bought it, but bought that crappy Star Trek game* |
Paperboy Posts: 11 Joined: 9 Mar 2008   |
Isn't this kind of like saying country and gospel music is the most popular therefore all artists should be in that genre? I don't think you can have an opinion like that and call yourself an artist... In fact, if all you really care about is making money you should probably stop developing games altogether and pick up some guitar books instead ^^ |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3518 Joined: 20 Aug 2008   | Spector's probably just as tired of whiny "hardcore" fanboys as anyone else would be. He probably looks at what Will Wright and Sid Meier are doing and thinks "Fuck, I want to be that famous." I think Spector's going through the same creative thought process Stevie Wonder went through after Songs in the Key of Life. To be remembered as an artist is all well and good, but to be a top-selling famous artist? You can enjoy that while you're alive. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 865 Joined: 29 May 2008    | Jesus tap dancing christ... |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 85 Joined: 27 Aug 2008     | The guy, who invented DeusEx, is - at least for me - by definition famous. If Spector goes for casual, no-brain-thinking involved casual games, he might as well take his money and invest it abroad. This would at least spare us another crapgame. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1091 Joined: 3 Apr 2008  |
Still, It's pretty much too late to stop now. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 469 Joined: 15 Dec 2007  | eh, this isnt old? i remember something like this announced months ago. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 490 Joined: 23 Nov 2007 | Fucking posers. Truly hardcore gamers know that Warren Spector sold out when he started making video games. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
Go burn in hell. Warren Spector is a gaming godfather you son of a bitch. Thief, Deus Ex, and whats arguably the greatest game of all time, System Shock 2. Only a POSER would insult Warren Spector. |
Paperboy  Posts: 12 Joined: 21 Sep 2008 | So he says this years after Deus Ex 2 was a disappointment? Ah man... A part of me just died. System Shock 2 and Deus Ex pulled the RPG fan of me into the FPS world. If it wasn't for his contribution to gaming, I wouldn't be giddy over Fallout 3. I guess we will have to wait and see if his FPS/RPG style would produce something unique in the casual-saturated market of today. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
He wasn't making fun of Mr. Spector, he was making fun of all of you 'hardcore' folks accusing him of selling out by being even more 'hardcore' than you were. Beautiful insult and it flew right over their heads. Mr. Spector worked on System Shock. System Shock 2 was Ken Levine's baby. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
No SS1, no SS2. Simple as that. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
So, no George Washington, no Model T? Ridiculous argument. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
But not exactly untrue. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | I guess that means Treyarch made Call of Duty 4. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
No, because even if Treyarch never existed, Infinity Ward would have still made call of duty 4. Stop being belligerent! |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | But not that Call of Duty 4. I will when you start making sense. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 601 Joined: 20 Aug 2008  | Ah, Warren. It seems like my love-hate situation with you has come to an end, as you have committed career seppuku. At least you won't be making any more bad, canon-ruining sequels like Deadly Shadows and Invisible War... one can hope. Wonder when Ken Levine will get back to his former glory? Was I the only one disappointed by Bioshock? I know Yahtzee was along the same points that I was... ("shallower than was advertised") |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4297 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | ReepNeep and Aries, both of you just forget this happened, report all your posts and tell the mods to delete them because they both don't make any ****ing sense (well, at least to me). Seriously I'm gonna go take some LSD or something and re-read your comments, I'll probably be enlightened or something - after all, the guy who discovered DNA was on LSD. OK so anyways, I still think people are overblowing this. Warren Spector is just saying "My next game after Deus Ex 3 won't be...well...what you expect it to be. I told you before hand so don't get pissed off...OK? Oh you're pissed off....well fuck, that was pointless." Still, I have faith in Mr. Spector, because he's just good. Maybe, JUST maybe, he may abandon his fans, but if he's not making games he likes he's gonna hate his life. Even if he is doing less work for more money. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3664 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
True... it seems that's the nature of all mediums of art... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1309 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 |
Hmm. Isn't that odd...? I thought people were tired of the typical Futuristic shooter with the Marty Stu protagonist trenchcoating his way through armies of bad guys. I guess the hundreds of posts on this very site decrying same-y shooters were a loud minority.
Yes, stupid us for consisting of 2.25 Billion dollars of the industry's marketshare. It's not our fault we don't dedicate 27 hours a day to games. Though I still fail to see how gaming casually has any bearing on this guy not wanting to make another Deus Ex clone. Honestly I never really got into the original. Or System Shock either, for that matter. *Pauses to allow people's hearts to restart* Idk, it wasnt the gameplay, which was well done. I guess maybe I'm just not a fan of Cyberpunk. |
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Warren Spector Warns Hardcore Gamers About His Next Game
Famed designer Warren Spector has warned that hardcore gamers may not be too happy when they hear what he's working on for his next project.
"I think people are going to be very surprised when they hear what I'm working on," Spector said in an interview with Forbes. "I'm sure a lot of the hardcore folks are going to be up in arms and I'm really looking forward to getting into that discussion with them. I don't believe I'm compromising on my gameplay ideals at all. [But] any artist who doesn't want his or her work in front of the largest audience possible is nuts."
Spector's Junction Point Studios was acquired by Disney Interactive in July 2007, and while details about the studio's latest project have not been revealed, he recently implied it would be considerably different than previous efforts like Deus Ex, Thief and System Shock. "I love working with Disney because I'm so tired of making games about guys in black leather carrying guns," he said at the time. "I don't want to make those anymore."
The article says the hardcore demographic has long been a secondary consideration for major game publishers, citing the success of The Sims, which has sold over 100 million copies across the franchise despite being held in contempt by "serious" gamers, and Spore, which has been heavily criticized for "simplistic" and "shallow" gameplay but nonetheless broke one million copies sold in only three weeks.
Spector said the shifting gamer demographic means the relevance of the hardcore gamer has been reduced considerably. "At the risk of alienating all of the people who paid my mortgage all these years, they can't be [as relevant]," he said. "We are in a commercial art form, which means you have to focus on the mainstream if you are playing in that game space."
Nonetheless, he added that hardcore gamers will be fine in the long run, they may just have to adjust to the idea of not being serviced by the industry heavyweights. "The hardcore is completely safe," Spector said. "They are less relevant to major publishers, but they are more relevant to independent developers."
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