Saikonate:
If Nickelback puts down their instruments for a copy of guitar hero, I'll take them up on this offer.

I must agree here. I can see how Nickelback would be upset about Guitar Hero, given that the game steals their overall formula for success: Play essentially the same song over and over again ad nauseam with similar levels of musical talent.

This band, and the execs that allow their music to play, singly made me stop listening to radio.

Pfft, Nickleback can eat my dick.

I'm tired all of this, "Put down your stupid little toy guitar and play a real instrument, you stupid cunt" bullshit. As if we really need more douchebags forming shitty rock bands.

tbh playing guitar hero is fun and i enjoy it and it made me start to listen to more rock music. Also, I think Nickelback have failed to realise that Guitar Hero (and Rock Band) has made more kids actually want to learn to play guitar (or drums, bass, vocals whatever) because I want to learn to play proper guitar once I've learned to drive and I can't wait!

curlycrouton:

Al X and Ur:
you know what, i don't like nickelback but i think they are right, in fact anyone who actually defends guitar hero or rockband seriously needs to be put in some type of holding institution for being retarded. i like playing rockband and guitar hero sure, but when you can play all the songs on expert and 5 star them and all that jazz, or even play it for a couple hours a day, if you would have picked up ANY instrument instead you would be pretty good by now, and that is a problem. instead of making music and doing something different with your lives, you are gonna play a little squeaky plastic guitar and then have nothing to show for it. that is why guitar hero and rockband are bad.

and a side note, i dont give a fuck how good you are at playing FAKE guitar because in the end you are just a nobody loser who will probably be sitting in your room acting like you are above everyone else because you can play "insert name of rediculously hard song here" on expert.

You, sir, are correct, however I may have worded it differently....

Oh, and your avatar's taken, change it.

Definitely agree. Can you believe that kids will probably get Rock Band for X-Mas instead of a starter guitar of the same price?

However, I'd like to think that all that practice in Guitar Hero that fans of the game put into it would translate into sufficient coordination, rhythm, and interest to giving them the spark to start learning actual guitar. Maybe it's optimistic, but the genre's still young.

If everybody learned how to play guitar, how would bands be possible?

I detest that generalisation. And Nickelback.

Those who want to learn music can do that. But for those who are rythmically challenged or just want to have some fun minus the couple of years of practice can go ahead and play guitar hero/rockband..... and wii music (I guess).

There are more than enough musicians, they're just shit!

Wouldn't they want less people playing instruments and more playing Rock Band?
Less competition for Nickleback.

As a newbie bass player ( only done bout 6 months of bass training) and as a video game fan(including Guitar Hero), I can say that this statement is just stupid. IMO, the market is already overcrowded with talentless bands ,that just cash in on the same old formulas. Even the metal genre is already kinda stale ( with some sub-genres as exceptions)-but whatever genre floats your boat - you have to agree that already too many people attempt and fail at music on a daily basis ( including the quoted band ,atleast in my opinion).

Don't get me wrong the world needs more players ,but hell atleast they need to have some talent,rhytm and training. Guitar hero and Rock Band -and all games in general- are viewed as entertainment.They don't stop people from buying guitars. Sure the whole bundled instruments are expensive,but they are meant for a party game.If you want to play guitar that shiny controller won't stop you.

Actually these 2 rhytm games are good for music culture ,if nothing else, but they can also direct you to music , hardly stop you from playing it.

I think we're getting too preoccupied with the messenger (Nickelback) instead of the message. The message is this: Guitar Hero/Rock Band satisfies our inner metalhead to such a degree that we don't feel the need to rock with anything more than a plastic guitar. I see his point to an extent, but disagree. If anything, these games will create a greater appreciation for guitar driven music, and thus more potential fans.

As far as my experience goes, Nickelback shouldn't be concerned about the potential rock musicians abducted by GH. GH might suck away the talent for cover bands, but the guys who want to write their own music aren't going to be sucked away by GH. GH celebrates the experience of performance, not musicianship.

Fruhstuck:
Time for some flaming

Fuck Off anyone who thinks Nickelback are shit. They're not. They're a brilliant band demonstrating some true skill with their instruments (given Chad Kroeger's voice can be annoying and a bit whiny but that's only 1 instrument out of 6 that's not that good and 5 out of 6 instruments that they play better than most of you). Their music might not appeal to you but that doesn't make them shit, that just means their music doesn't appeal to you. When you can play stuff of their level or above Then you can talk shit, untill then what do you base your argument that it's hit on? that you don't like it?
Ooooooh that's a solid argument :-|

Fanboy-Flame aside: i think it'd enrich a few more lives to learn to play guitar rather than guitar hero, but w/e floats your boat - if you're more into guitar hero than playing guitar you'll never be an amazing guitarist anyway as you won't have the drive for it

Common argument... This is basically a wordier "I would like to see you do better"

To quote Ultrajoe

"I may not have the Ablilty to make hollywood quality films but I know enough to say that Uwe Boll is shit"

Nickelback is trying to tell gamers who like Guitar Hero and Rock Band to pick up a real instrument? They should really shut up and just fade away from history already. I think the games GIVE certain people inspiration/motivation to play real instruments and can actually revive music, but then again there are some who think its because of the publicity that these games could make that could ruin the music industry, blah blah blah.

My problem with this is that I can't play a guitar. Honestly, I've tried, and I'm not dextrous enough to play it. Plus, my mind doesn't work the way a musicians mind does. I am an extremely left brain heavy thinker, and that severly hampers my attempts to play an actual instrument. When I'm playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band, I can think mathematically and do well. Plus, I don't really WANT to play an actual guitar, but I find playing Guitar Hero fun. It's like karaoke: How many people that have no interest in becoming a professional singer like karaoke?

ok and this guy dosent know what he is talking about. My school is 700 kids ok i know 100 of them easily. around 70 out of that hundred played guitar hero. 50 of them are learning to play guitar now and the other 20 are thinking about it. So why does this opinion mean anything

smallharmlesskitten:

Fruhstuck:
Time for some flaming

Fuck Off anyone who thinks Nickelback are shit. They're not. They're a brilliant band demonstrating some true skill with their instruments (given Chad Kroeger's voice can be annoying and a bit whiny but that's only 1 instrument out of 6 that's not that good and 5 out of 6 instruments that they play better than most of you). Their music might not appeal to you but that doesn't make them shit, that just means their music doesn't appeal to you. When you can play stuff of their level or above Then you can talk shit, untill then what do you base your argument that it's hit on? that you don't like it?
Ooooooh that's a solid argument :-|

Fanboy-Flame aside: i think it'd enrich a few more lives to learn to play guitar rather than guitar hero, but w/e floats your boat - if you're more into guitar hero than playing guitar you'll never be an amazing guitarist anyway as you won't have the drive for it

Common argument... This is basically a wordier "I would like to see you do better"

To quote Ultrajoe

"I may not have the Ablilty to make hollywood quality films but I know enough to say that Uwe Boll is shit"

I'm not trying to be that confrontational as "i'd like to see you do better"
I just think that if you can't do what they do you shouldn't dismiss them completely out of hand

Fruhstuck:

They only sound as similar as every other bands songs sound

actually they sound the same because for several songs they ARE the same, there's a site that i'm too lazy to find but they play nickelback songs side by side and and besides minor chord changes they are the same song

Everyone of Muse's, Maiden's, Guns 'n' Roses', Motley Crue's, Elliot Minor's, Jay-Z's, Metallica's songs have massive similarities in them, Why? because it's that band playing them, they all like to play stuff like that, does the fact that it's similar to the other stuff they do mean it's crap?

wrong, on a few accounts, mostly Maiden, GnR and Motley Crue

they do have the same hooks, ie playing styles, however their songs do not sound similar. i dare you to find 2 Maiden tracks played side by side that sound identical or 2 Crue or GnR tracks. you can't because they don't exist

nickelback makes me sad to be canadian

tendo82:
Two things:

1. Nickelback should do us all a favor and put down their instruments and pick up guitar hero.

2. Nickelback is obviously frustrated not by the lack of rock bands, of which there are many, but by the lack of awful post grunge corporate rock bands that could open for them without upstaging them.

Chad, we get it, you think the music died the day Creed broke up.

Well, you stated everything I was going to say, but with less words. Saved me some work. Thanks.

Soon, the only reason people will be remembering Nickelback is because they show up in Rock Band 6 or Guitar Hero 10...

These guys DO know that you have to have some innate musical concepts of time and rhythm to play either of these games, right (esp. on high def TV)?

As an ACTUAL musician who teaches all of the wind instruments, and is learning to play 7 as we speak, can we please drop all of the childish arguments around this set of games.

Stupid buttrock bitches (Nickelback) who don't understand what music is all about, that it actually means something more than a paycheck and having someone else writing their songs for them and generic lyrics about a road or jeans or something frivolous or bullshit like that. But I don't really care who plays guitar hero because it doesnt mean any thing. It's for all the no-talent left-brainers who don't have any musical talent who need an automated message flashed into their eyes that says "YOU ROCK!!!" I'm not saying that I like the game, but its good for parties and I'm sure its inspired people to actually play an instrument. I'm sure in some places the GH guitar has no correlation with an actual instrument.

cleverlymadeup:

Fruhstuck:

They only sound as similar as every other bands songs sound

actually they sound the same because for several songs they ARE the same, there's a site that i'm too lazy to find but they play nickelback songs side by side and and besides minor chord changes they are the same song

Everyone of Muse's, Maiden's, Guns 'n' Roses', Motley Crue's, Elliot Minor's, Jay-Z's, Metallica's songs have massive similarities in them, Why? because it's that band playing them, they all like to play stuff like that, does the fact that it's similar to the other stuff they do mean it's crap?

wrong, on a few accounts, mostly Maiden, GnR and Motley Crue

they do have the same hooks, ie playing styles, however their songs do not sound similar. i dare you to find 2 Maiden tracks played side by side that sound identical or 2 Crue or GnR tracks. you can't because they don't exist

nickelback makes me sad to be canadian

if that's the case then i full eat my words and hang my head in flame-shame lol

i never said that any of those bands songs're identical, i said they're similar and i stand by that

I enjoyed Guitar Hero when I played it on easy and medium, and certain songs on hard. But when it gets to the point that I actually have to practice in order to play a song, I might as well learn to play a real guitar. I still had fun, but I'm just not going to invest time into the game if I could invest time into a real instrument.

And I do. I play alto and baritone sax and I enjoy it.

Malygris:
Nickelback frontman Chad Kroeger wants all you kids out there to quit wasting time playing Guitar Hero and learn how to play a real instrument instead.
The solution, in Kroeger's eyes, is to encourage people to spend less time pretending to be musicians and more time actually becoming one.

K. We will do exactly that. But he has to do it first. <.<;;;

And things unfold pretty much exactly as predicted.

I've never really understood all the Nickelback hate. I guess in a way it's kind of like all the people who dump on World of Warcraft; you have to think that the vitriol wouldn't be half as powerful as it is if the subject in question wasn't so damned successful.

And I still think his point is valid. Guitar Hero may be tons of fun to play, but at the end of the day it has no more to do with music than Portal or CoD4.

Malygris:
And things unfold pretty much exactly as predicted.

I've never really understood all the Nickelback hate. I guess in a way it's kind of like all the people who dump on World of Warcraft; you have to think that the vitriol wouldn't be half as powerful as it is if the subject in question wasn't so damned successful.

And I still think his point is valid. Guitar Hero may be tons of fun to play, but at the end of the day it has no more to do with music than Portal or CoD4.

Agreed. I would also like to add that I like most of the songs off of their new cd. Want to know why? Because I think it sounds good. No more. No less.

The fact that its Nickleback saying this just makes me want to play Guitar Hero more.

It's utterly amazing how many people seem to equate playing Guitar hero or Rock Band with playing real instruments, or at least assume that other people do.

Here's a news flash to everyone: PLAYING GUITAR HERO IS NOT THE SAME AS PLAYING A REAL GUITAR.

This is comparing Apples to Sauerkraut, and should be regarded as such by more people.

There is no need for people to start playing "real" instruments instead of Guitar Hero because there is some worldwide deficit of bands. There is no need to make such a stupid statement claiming thus.

I like Rock Band because it's a rhythm game with a unique control interface. During social gatherings it is a good draw to get people together because you are working toward a common goal, unlike other social games like Raving Rabbids, or Mario Party. It is entertainment.

Generally one starts a band for one of two reasons: You have the desperate need for an outlet for your musical creativity, or you want to make money. Nickelback, of course, fall in the latter category as evidenced by people's ability to mashup two of their songs and they synchronize unsettlingly well (Do a search for "How You Remind Me of Someday".)

So, please. Stop this petty squabbling of "I'm better'n you" because you either play a real guitar instead of "wasting your time" working to get 5 stars on Expert mode; or because you can ace "Between The Fire and the Flames".

Musical rhythm games are like Karaoke.

You never hear any modern dance choreographers bitching about people playing Dance Dance Revolution, do you?

I would bet the true impetus for this idiot statement is that Rock Band and Guitar Hero have introduced people to some of the highest quality rock music available, many of which the general public probably haven't been exposed to, and they are realizing that by being fans of corporate success story bands like Nickelback and other Top 40 "Pop Rock" stars they dove right past the cream of the crop to scrape the bottom of the talent barrel to get their music.

"Between The Fire and the Flames".

*cough* Through the Fire and Flames.

I think the Rock Band/Guitar Hero games are doing wonderful things for the music industry and are getting people interested in playing music. I'm one of those people that picked up an instrument(bass) because I loved playing those games so much.

i dont listen to bands like that. ill do what i like to do thanks. and nickelback isnt that good anyhow.....

I think Ctrl-Alt-Del put it pretty well, saying that some people just play it for fun. People aren't going to spend all that money buying a real instrument, learning how to play it, finding other people to play with, etc, when they don't want to start a band, just have a quick rock out with their friends.

I want nickel back to stop making music and start playing Guitar Hero.

But in all honesty I think hes got it backwards, I think some people play Guitar Hero and then WANT to make a band. My brother started taking interest in Guitar only after he played it.

Obviously Nickel Back doesn't even have a clue what their talking about, this is like the US military telling people to stop playing halo and cod4.

I don't like Nickelback because it's hilariously boring when compared to this. And this.

Anyway.

Guitar Hero and Rock Band aren't bring down the music industry for pretty much the same reasons as violent games aren't creating a generation of killers.

I would encourage people to do both. Learning an instrument looks rediculously hard but its actually pretty easy.

hmm, whenever i hear 'guitar hero' and 'should be playing real instruments' i always think of the south park episode about it when Stan and his friends are playing GH and his dad runs out a plays the song they were playing on GH on a real guitar and gets told to leave.