Well...This was fun and all but...well this is all just some really good joke at the heart of it.

Also to all 'ninja v. pirate' people, robots always win and you all know it!

My brain just ate itself.

What?

D-d-d-does n-n-n-n-ot c-c-c-c-kkkkkkkksssssssssshhhhhhhhhh------ompute!

Dommyboy:
Ahahahahaha..ha..hehe..ha... BAHAHAHAHAA! Oh this is brilliant. So much win in just one article.

BWHAHAHHAHAGHLEEHSEFHEEHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe.... i genuinly 100% loled. and agree w/ this guy.. tho my lol was bigger.

I was just on a fourumn were a dude was all like "Piracy isn't theft" and i was all like "how would you feel if blahbalblah" and now here we have an ACTUAL example of a pirate suffering from piracy, and he didn't like it.. hehehehhehe.

This will forever be known as the day when pirates lost the minuscule shred of credibility that they had. It's also the day that irony got its most clear definition.

However, that wasn't enough for some people, and they've decided to leak Crackulous to the public, although it is still in a beta stage. They've downright disrespected me, this community, and this project.

Holy crap, he did not just say that.

Don't you just hate it when people redistribute your work without your consent? I mean, it's like they don't even respect where the work came from. Gawd!

CantFaketheFunk:
Best headline ever.

agreed

Zolcos:
Article is flat-out lying. That guy isn't "decrying" piracy, he is upset over the fact that his BETA got spread around. Don't you realize that if there were flaws in his untested beta that, say, bricked peoples iPhones, it would make him look like an idiot at best, or a virus writer at worst, and people would parade it around as a reason to not trust unapproved apps. It only makes sense that he would want to finish it before people started using it. Did they miss that he was going to distribute it for FREE?

There is no irony here, this is just part anti-piracy propoganda, part trolling.

I guess we're the only ones who read past the catchy title?

Wolvaroo:

Zolcos:
Article is flat-out lying. That guy isn't "decrying" piracy, he is upset over the fact that his BETA got spread around. Don't you realize that if there were flaws in his untested beta that, say, bricked peoples iPhones, it would make him look like an idiot at best, or a virus writer at worst, and people would parade it around as a reason to not trust unapproved apps. It only makes sense that he would want to finish it before people started using it. Did they miss that he was going to distribute it for FREE?

There is no irony here, this is just part anti-piracy propoganda, part trolling.

I guess we're the only ones who read past the catchy title?

Hm. Software author did not want his software being spread around because he wanted to gain reputation from it later. Someone did not respect his wishes and chose to spread it around now anyway. Sounds like piracy to me. Doesn't much matter if what's at stake is the author's livelihood or reputation.

Zolcos:
Article is flat-out lying. That guy isn't "decrying" piracy, he is upset over the fact that his BETA got spread around. Don't you realize that if there were flaws in his untested beta that, say, bricked peoples iPhones, it would make him look like an idiot at best, or a virus writer at worst, and people would parade it around as a reason to not trust unapproved apps. It only makes sense that he would want to finish it before people started using it. Did they miss that he was going to distribute it for FREE?

There is no irony here, this is just part anti-piracy propoganda, part trolling.

Actually, I disagree. If you read the quote, what bothers him is obviously that what happened, happened to him, not that people could be hurt by it, hence all the warbling about being disrespected. Logic would dictate that since he was going to release it for free anyway, if god forbid people could get their mitts on a beta copy without his consent, he'd shrug it off, give people a warning that it could damage their products, and carry on developing. What has he really lost? Nothing, he wasn't really going to gain anything by it anyway and now people know it's a pirated release he won't take the reputation hit. But he's massively offended and threatens to cancel the project. It's the concept that really bothers him, as opposed to possible consequences of that concept, and that concept is piracy. QED.

The_root_of_all_evil:

CantFaketheFunk:
Best headline ever.

Needs more ninjas.

What are you talking about? There are 17 ninjas in that title. You just have to look real close.

The irony is delicious. It tastes like the seven seas and rum. Yarr.

All hail irony and its many followers.

I totally condone his act. It's bad enough people stealing dubiously honest people, it takes some nerve to steal from totally dishonest people.
It's part of the Piracy Code, arr.

I wonder...back a couple centuries ago, during the heyday of ARR! piracy, were any of those pirates pirated themselves? Like, did one of those British corsairs knock over a Spanish galleon, only to be hit itself on the way home by a rogue Spanish privateer?

Because that would make a great movie.

I in general always get a big kick out of it when criminals get criminalized themselves. In fact, I think that should be the nature of their punishment. The State should do to you what you've done to others. We do that in America with murder, and I think we should do it with rape and assault.

TheBluesader:
I wonder...back a couple centuries ago, during the heyday of ARR! piracy, were any of those pirates pirated themselves? Like, did one of those British corsairs knock over a Spanish galleon, only to be hit itself on the way home by a rogue Spanish privateer?

Because that would make a great movie.

I in general always get a big kick out of it when criminals get criminalized themselves. In fact, I think that should be the nature of their punishment. The State should do to you what you've done to others. We do that in America with murder, and I think we should do it with rape and assault.

State sponsored rapists? Eh, maybe not such a great idea.

My goodness. There really is no honor amongst thieves, is there? Too bad, so sad.

On the plus side, this massive dose of IRONY has gotten all the wrinkles out of my clothes!

From my experience with Mac users, this isn't at all surprising a reaction. They tend to think of themselves at the top of the heap when all they normally tend to do is rub off as self obsessed tossers. Their smug attitudes grate on me faster than console fanboy gamer attitudes.

Singing Gremlin:

State sponsored rapists? Eh, maybe not such a great idea.

You know what? When I proposed my plan for kick-ass justice, I didn't even think about the logistical consequences. I mean, I'm sure there would be guys who would volunteer to do the raping for the government if the money was good enough. But you're right, I really don't want to live in the same country with that variety of desperate bastard.

Guess it's good I'm not in charge of any Justice Handling...Thing.

At least not until society collapses and I and I alone must become Lord of the Wasteland. Finger's crossed.

The_root_of_all_evil:

nathan-dts:

The_root_of_all_evil:

CantFaketheFunk:
Best headline ever.

Needs more ninjas.

Dont you mean pirates? (The war between ninjas and pirates was won by the ninjas decades ago but pirates still deserve there credit)

Everything gets better with more ninjas. BTW, where is Purp these days? He's gone awfully quiet.

Probably skulking in the shadows. Silly, silly ninja. Didn't Khell have a break for a while? (I missed his rants, but hassah today I recieved my next piece of epicness.)

Oh irony, if only I could bake you into a pastry and have you for a snack.

Hoist by his own petard... loverly! Though I'd bet hard currency that the lesson will be lost on mister "My IQ matches that of a" SaladFork.

-- Steve

Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

This reminds me of a quote from the old sitcom Porridge

Fletcher:
Gentlemen...
There is a thief among us.

No, I won't explain it to people who never saw Parridge

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

... I think I just died laughing, but was laughing so much in the afterlife that they kicked me back to earth...

Now excuse me while I repeat the process a few times. This is one of the most hilarious things I've ever hea::dies::

Zolcos:
Article is flat-out lying. That guy isn't "decrying" piracy, he is upset over the fact that his BETA got spread around. Don't you realize that if there were flaws in his untested beta that, say, bricked peoples iPhones, it would make him look like an idiot at best, or a virus writer at worst, and people would parade it around as a reason to not trust unapproved apps. It only makes sense that he would want to finish it before people started using it. Did they miss that he was going to distribute it for FREE?

There is no irony here, this is just part anti-piracy propoganda, part trolling.

First of all, give the people around here some more credit. Of course everyone read the article. Second, it still is piracy. It doesn't matter that this program was a free project or not, the early beta was leaked (which is just another word for "stolen") and then distributed against his wishes and he was getting pissy about it. That's textbook piracy. Besides, if the program did screw up someone's iPhone after downloading it, then that's just karma's way of sorting them out for downloading a program that helps them pirate software.

So yes, it ,is piracy, yes, it is very ironic, and YES, there is trolling in this thread, but all of it is coming from you.

Graustein:

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

At least where I live, electronic goods of that nature (cameras, phones, music players; anything that in common sense should be expected to last longer than 2 years) have a 5 year period where problems arising from normal use should be corrected by the distributor. If the problems are caused by abuse from your end, proof has to be found. (i.e., the distributor finding dents/cracks etc in the item that may have caused the problems).

I think it's the fact that the ipods technically still do work, it's just the battery that dies, is what lets Apple get away with it. But if changing the battery is that expensive of an ordeal that it's more financially sound to buy a new ipod instead, this fact should be made readily available to all customers upon purchase, and advertised a lot more thoroughly, because it's certainly reasonable to expect a portable music player lasting a hell of a lot longer than 2-3 years. (Mine lasted just under two years). Unless you throw it against a wall or drop it in the ocean.

Vanguard1219:
[...]
So yes, it ,is piracy [...]

So is that CD you burned for your girlfriend to listen to in her car, or any of those other numerous things you might have done without considering it piracy because it, like, didn't really hurt anyone and, like, everyone else does stuff like that. It's not really piracy unless it's someone else that does it, right?

TheBluesader:
I wonder...back a couple centuries ago, during the heyday of ARR! piracy, were any of those pirates pirated themselves? Like, did one of those British corsairs knock over a Spanish galleon, only to be hit itself on the way home by a rogue Spanish privateer?

Because that would make a great movie.

I in general always get a big kick out of it when criminals get criminalized themselves. In fact, I think that should be the nature of their punishment. The State should do to you what you've done to others. We do that in America with murder, and I think we should do it with rape and assault.

The rape one is already handled. The become a prison bitch. Same goes for child molesters.

Byers:

Graustein:

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

At least where I live, electronic goods of that nature (cameras, phones, music players; anything that in common sense should be expected to last longer than 2 years) have a 5 year period where problems arising from normal use should be corrected by the distributor. If the problems are caused by abuse from your end, proof has to be found. (i.e., the distributor finding dents/cracks etc in the item that may have caused the problems).

I think it's the fact that the ipods technically still do work, it's just the battery that dies, is what lets Apple get away with it. But if changing the battery is that expensive of an ordeal that it's more financially sound to buy a new ipod instead, this fact should be made readily available to all customers upon purchase, and advertised a lot more thoroughly, because it's certainly reasonable to expect a portable music player lasting a hell of a lot longer than 2-3 years. (Mine lasted just under two years). Unless you throw it against a wall or drop it in the ocean.

Or you could be like me and claim it doesn't turn on when fluid from my cracked screen disrupted part of my ipod.(Which worked because it ran with a cracked screen for 2 hours before it wouldn't turn on)

Graustein:

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

The closest law I can think of to what he's describing are Consumer Protection Acts, but they all mainly relate to a company's liability when misrepresenting a product or by creating and distributing a product that can or has become dangerous and has the potential of harming the user. When this happens, the company in question is wide open for vaious class-action suits to try to procure damages. In regard to Apple and iPods, this really wouldn't apply unless Apple manufactures a batch that overheats and explodes for no apparent reason. Software malfunction not caused by the user, though, are usually covered in a product warranty and can be replaced by the manufacturer.

Byers:

Vanguard1219:
[...]
So yes, it ,is piracy [...]

So is that CD you burned for your girlfriend to listen to in her car, or any of those other numerous things you might have done without considering it piracy because it, like, didn't really hurt anyone and, like, everyone else does stuff like that. It's not really piracy unless it's someone else that does it, right?

So yes, by that logic, every time I copy a CD I'm committing piracy, just like how I'm stealing every time I photocopy a page out of a book for an assignment or pull an image off of Google that came from a website, etc. It's pretty easy to just say that the entire issue is morally gray and leave it at that. On the flip side, it's also fairly easy to take up a "either all of it is okay, or none of it is" stance to the entire thing. Yes, I admit that I've copied my fair share of CDs in my lifetime (like most people, I'm sure), but the reason I can confidently pass along a copy of the most resent Radiohead CD to my girlfriend or some other person as opposed to torrenting a copy of Fallout 3 off of the internet is a difference in industries. Most artists these days make their money off of touring and doing concerts. I'm not using that as justification as to why copying a CD isn't wrong, but if the music industry had a problem with it they would have taken action. In fact, if you remember the first incarnation of Napster, they did because several labels sued the ever loving crap out of Napster for, essentially, making music piracy easier.

Besides, it hard to consider copying a CD outright theft when it's content is so readily available for free over the airwaves. Keeping with that example, it's hard to say that you've stolen/pirated a TV show by copying an episode onto a tape or downloaded from the internet when, in actuality, that same episode was released on a TV channel for no cost to the viewer (with the exception of a cable bill if you want to get nitpicky). In contrast, the same doesn't really apply for a movie that's been downloaded in the same way if it was just done to avoid purchasing the DVD or paying for a ticket to a movie theater.

So, getting back to your original point, fine, I'm a music pirate and I'm a bad person. I'm not sure if I'll be able to sleep at night now. However, if the artist that recorded the CD or the recording label that published it had any major problem with that, then they would have tried to bring the legal hammer up against several companies, like Apple for example, because programs like iTunes have software in it that enables you to copy a CD. The same cannot really be said for the game industry or, for that matter, the developer of the software mentioned in the opening post, because they have taken action against such activity, whether it be by adding DRM programs or by just flat-out decrying those that pirated the program in the first place.

I'm not going to deny that copying music like that may be wrong, but I'm sure as hell not going to stand by and let you say that because your actions aren't right that everyone is in the wrong.

sheic99:
Same goes for child molesters.

They don't get an easy time in prison when other inmates find out what they did.
I just don't understand why any guards ever stop the other inmates.

TheGhostOfSin:

sheic99:
Same goes for child molesters.

They don't get an easy time in prison when other inmates find out what they did.
I just don't understand why any guards ever stop the other inmates.

One simple answer. Guards have children or plan to have children at some point. "They see" it as an extended punishment.(What's in quotes is my interpretation of the situation).

Byers:

Vanguard1219:
[...]
So yes, it ,is piracy [...]

So is that CD you burned for your girlfriend to listen to in her car, or any of those other numerous things you might have done without considering it piracy because it, like, didn't really hurt anyone and, like, everyone else does stuff like that. It's not really piracy unless it's someone else that does it, right?

You are completely wrong there. First it is not piracy. Pirates use machine guns to rob boats in the ocean.
Second, copyright law allows for copies to be made and distributed as long as no money is made and it is done in person. I can make a copy of any game, movie or album and give it to any person I want to and there is nothing illegal about it.

Graustein:

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

The law of:
I didn't read the many many user agrrements and didn't research my product and realise that this is a very well known fault in iPods and now I'm whining. PS Apple ran over my dog.

Its an obscure law but its definitely there.

EDIT:

The_root_of_all_evil:
BTW, where is Purp these days? He's gone awfully quiet.

Thats what he wants you to think.

Armitage Shanks:

Graustein:

Byers:
Well. For a company whose only response to my ipod suddenly ceasing to work after less than two years is that I should buy a new one (as replacing the expired battery would cost more than the price of a new ipod), I find it difficult to take Apple's side in any argument of the moral kind.
It is one's right by law to demand several of Apple's products lasting for years beyond what they generally have done so far, even with careful use, so if some people want to reimburse themselves a little, I can't say I have a strong urge to rush to the defense of the poor little multi billion dollar corporation.

I'm not too well versed in law, which law would that be?

The law of:
I didn't read the many many user agrrements and didn't research my product and realise that this is a very well known fault in iPods and now I'm whining. PS Apple ran over my dog.

Its an obscure law but its definitely there.

He's actually right -

Consumerrightsexpert.co.uk:

...Sale of Goods Act 1979 is quite specific. It deems that goods must be safe, fit the description that's given of them and be both of "satisfactory" quality and fit for the purpose for which they're intended. If they have to be installed or assembled, there should be adequate instructions.

sheic99:

Byers:

So is that CD you burned for your girlfriend to listen to in her car, or any of those other numerous things you might have done without considering it piracy because it, like, didn't really hurt anyone and, like, everyone else does stuff like that. It's not really piracy unless it's someone else that does it, right?

You are completely wrong there. First it is not piracy. Pirates use machine guns to rob boats in the ocean.
Second, copyright law allows for copies to be made and distributed as long as no money is made and it is done in person. I can make a copy of any game, movie or album and give it to any person I want to and there is nothing illegal about it.

RIAA and music industry bigwigs disagree. Neither copying for friends or 'backing up' is covered under the fair use clause according to the powers that be.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071002-sony-bmgs-chief-anti-piracy-lawyer-copying-music-you-own-is-stealing.html

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/12/11/riaa.on.cd.ripping/