Assassin's Creed 2 Set During French Revolution?

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Assassin's Creed 2 Set During French Revolution?

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Assassin's Creed 2 will be set several hundred years after the events of the original, according to industry analyst Michael Pachter, who mused that it could take place during the French Revolution.

In a recent episode of the Gametrailers show Bonus Round, Pachter said the Assassin's Creed sequel would take place "several hundred years in the future," specifically, "sometime in the 1700s." The new time frame was "presented by Pachter as fact," according to a Giant Bomb report, while his statement that the game could possibly take place during the French Revolution was purely speculation.

Revolutionary France isn't exactly a deeply-plumbed game setting, and if Pachter is actually on to something here it could very well prove to be one of the more interesting environments to come up in years. Of course, how well-informed this speculation actually is is anyone's guess, and while Ubisoft did confirm that it is "working hard" on the sequel, the company refused to acknowledge how right - or wrong - he may be, saying, "This is only a rumor and we would prefer not to comment on rumors."

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I hope this rumor is true, I would LOVE to play a game set during the French Revolution, especially if it's during the "reign of terror" period. Also, Flintlocks and Rapiers.

If I get to run up and assassinate Robespierre in High Profile, I will be very very happy.

Ugh,, I can't say I share your enthusiasm on that one Pedro...
I was already moaning when I saw Fable 2 included rifles. Now imagine that plus the French (which I don't like too much anyways, nothing personal), the clothes they wore at that time and the pansy weapons they had to go with it.

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought melee battles with real swordsmen and swords. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

Sennz0r:

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

You do realise the Chinese invented gunpowder...

HomeAliveIn45:

Sennz0r:

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

You do realise the Chinese invented gunpowder...

I do, but they used it for fireworks, not for making cannons.

Plus they knew how to fight. Familiar with the book "The Art Of War'?

HomeAliveIn45:
[quote="Sennz0r" post="7.78436.976594"]
I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

You do realise the Chinese invented gunpowder...[/They were also the first to use missls in battle

France, eh? This is surprising.

And the Chinese didn't use the gunpowder in guns. They made rockets.

I revise that statement, they did make firearms. I apologise.

However one thing I will stand firm on: The Chinese - just like the Japanese - didn't fight like wimps. Even with the introduction of firearms large groups (e.g. Samurai) still didn't use them, and stayed true to their traditions. And kicked ass at it too.
Thing is when you learn how to fight with a firearm you get so used to being able to shoot once or twice and kill a guy, that you have no clue what to do when you miss and he comes too close. Resulting in freaking out. Resulting in death.

EDIT: Chinese used guns starting around 1368 AD

Sennz0r:
Ugh,, I can't say I share your enthusiasm on that one Pedro...
I was already moaning when I saw Fable 2 included rifles. Now imagine that plus the French (which I don't like too much anyways, nothing personal), the clothes they wore at that time and the pansy weapons they had to go with it.

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

Okay, okay. You take the manly sword and I'll take the poofy pistol. We'll see who wins. IN fact, you take 20 samurai and I'll take 20 riflemen. We'll line up and have a fight.

Hooray, Ubisoft Montreal is in for another game.. Third time's a charm, they say. After Assassin's Creed, Far Cry 2, let's see if they can make a game with pretty graphics and shiny environments without sacrificing gameplay. Oh, a decent plot would be nice as well.

rossatdi:

Sennz0r:
Ugh,, I can't say I share your enthusiasm on that one Pedro...
I was already moaning when I saw Fable 2 included rifles. Now imagine that plus the French (which I don't like too much anyways, nothing personal), the clothes they wore at that time and the pansy weapons they had to go with it.

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

Okay, okay. You take the manly sword and I'll take the poofy pistol. We'll see who wins. IN fact, you take 20 samurai and I'll take 20 riflemen. We'll line up and have a fight.

Are they single-shot rifles with the accuracy of that time? Sure I'll take you on.

Meh, I wish videogames would stick to certain formulas and time periods, I for one am not thrilled about this regardless of how well it can be pulled off. It's a waste of a setting and a time period to put it in a game such as Assassin's Creed. I for one, love stories set in certain places and times I love, such as the French Revolution, however I feel at length it'll be a trivialization of the time period.

I honestly wish a setting such as this wouldbe purely reserved for a different media. Books, movies, music, etc...

Call it this outlandish and illogical, but I can't stand it when something good has the possibility of being thrust towards an audience who doesn't appreciate the time period at hand. To them the game comes first, not the beauty and astounding detail of the culture itself.

If this announcement was tied to any other company, I'd roll my eyes and resume the snarking off. But Ubisoft proved with the last Assassin's Creed that they know full well what they're doing with these games, and most importantly of all, it really works. As long as they don't fiddle too viciously with the game play, I've no doubt Assassin's Creed: French Revolution will definitely be a game to look forward to.

Now watch the rumor be false and all my expectations dashed. Just so long as it isn't set on a deep space ship besieged by demon alien hybrids, and only YOU have the Space Marine training necessary to stop...

No.

Sennz0r:

HomeAliveIn45:

Sennz0r:

I wish they'd go back in time for the sequel for a change. Set it in feudal Japan or ancient China. Somewhere where the civilisations at war at the time fought real battles with real warriors and real weapons. Not with tights and cannons and guns...

You do realise the Chinese invented gunpowder...

I do, but they used it for fireworks, not for making cannons.

Plus they knew how to fight. Familiar with the book "The Art Of War'?

art of war is a state of mind more than anything else.

Arsen:
Meh, I wish videogames would stick to certain formulas and time periods, I for one am not thrilled about this regardless of how well it can be pulled off. It's a waste of a setting and a time period to put it in a game such as Assassin's Creed. I for one, love stories set in certain places and times I love, such as the French Revolution, however I feel at length it'll be a trivialization of the time period.

I honestly wish a setting such as this wouldbe purely reserved for a different media. Books, movies, music, etc...

Call it this outlandish and illogical, but I can't stand it when something good has the possibility of being thrust towards an audience who doesn't appreciate the time period at hand. To them the game comes first, not the beauty and astounding detail of the culture itself.

There is always the possibility that this one will do it right? I appreciate the pearls to swine argument but honestly, they've got to keep trying and learning from their mistakes. Setting a video game in a new and interesting period means people who love the setting will play the game and people who love the game will learn about the setting.

L.B. Jeffries:

Arsen:
Meh, I wish videogames would stick to certain formulas and time periods, I for one am not thrilled about this regardless of how well it can be pulled off. It's a waste of a setting and a time period to put it in a game such as Assassin's Creed. I for one, love stories set in certain places and times I love, such as the French Revolution, however I feel at length it'll be a trivialization of the time period.

I honestly wish a setting such as this wouldbe purely reserved for a different media. Books, movies, music, etc...

Call it this outlandish and illogical, but I can't stand it when something good has the possibility of being thrust towards an audience who doesn't appreciate the time period at hand. To them the game comes first, not the beauty and astounding detail of the culture itself.

There is always the possibility that this one will do it right? I appreciate the pearls to swine argument but honestly, they've got to keep trying and learning from their mistakes. Setting a video game in a new and interesting period means people who love the setting will play the game and people who love the game will learn about the setting.

Well I know about the setting, and I like the game, but I still can't get the picture of overly decorative castles, gardens, tights and silly piano music out of my head.
I'm sure you'll start out somewhere in the slums or something between the beggars and whores but to my annoyance they will be French as well (again, nothing personal, most of them are just too damn arrogant to speak a couple words English when you need to find your way in EFFIN PARIS).

Please oh please oh please be set somewhere in Europe. We have enough ninjas. We have enough poorly done ninjas. We have enough people who have no idea what ninjas are so they make them awesome fighters. Give us the continuation of the tradition of European assassins.

L.B. Jeffries:

Arsen:
Meh, I wish videogames would stick to certain formulas and time periods, I for one am not thrilled about this regardless of how well it can be pulled off. It's a waste of a setting and a time period to put it in a game such as Assassin's Creed. I for one, love stories set in certain places and times I love, such as the French Revolution, however I feel at length it'll be a trivialization of the time period.

I honestly wish a setting such as this wouldbe purely reserved for a different media. Books, movies, music, etc...

Call it this outlandish and illogical, but I can't stand it when something good has the possibility of being thrust towards an audience who doesn't appreciate the time period at hand. To them the game comes first, not the beauty and astounding detail of the culture itself.

There is always the possibility that this one will do it right? I appreciate the pearls to swine argument but honestly, they've got to keep trying and learning from their mistakes. Setting a video game in a new and interesting period means people who love the setting will play the game and people who love the game will learn about the setting.

Though I may or may not have expressed this properly, I love history. I equally love the aspect that the average human being or American doesn't delight in it. It feels special to me. Now here they are taking something I love to read about, love to understand the time period of...and they are making "a game" of it.

In other words: Damnit, they are taking something I like that isn't too popular and are just giving it to those on a certain level who can't get into it any other way.

Sennz0r:

Are they single-shot rifles with the accuracy of that time? Sure I'll take you on.

Okay, okay. Lets adjust for training and cost of equipment. Where do you get off calling early modern European warfare unmanly? It's not like knights and samurai were particularly 'manly' in that they basically just rode around killing poorly armoured peasants. And if anyone starts any bullshit about "samurai don't ride horses" I'll kneecap them.

Cost of one samurai: a life time of training, discipline and very expensive weapons.
Cost of one musketeer: 3 bob and a few weekends practising at the range.

In fact, warfare isn't manly, its horrible, bloody and always ends in death. And I'm joining the army sometime soon!

Anyway, wasn't this thread about the setting? I think revolutionary France would be a pretty awesome one.

That would be really cool. I think that would be a great choice for a location. Has there ever been another game set in that time period, in France, during the revolution?

I just hope they get rid of the begging women and unstable folks who shove you at every turn.

Arsen:

L.B. Jeffries:

Arsen:
Meh, I wish videogames would stick to certain formulas and time periods, I for one am not thrilled about this regardless of how well it can be pulled off. It's a waste of a setting and a time period to put it in a game such as Assassin's Creed. I for one, love stories set in certain places and times I love, such as the French Revolution, however I feel at length it'll be a trivialization of the time period.

I honestly wish a setting such as this wouldbe purely reserved for a different media. Books, movies, music, etc...

Call it this outlandish and illogical, but I can't stand it when something good has the possibility of being thrust towards an audience who doesn't appreciate the time period at hand. To them the game comes first, not the beauty and astounding detail of the culture itself.

There is always the possibility that this one will do it right? I appreciate the pearls to swine argument but honestly, they've got to keep trying and learning from their mistakes. Setting a video game in a new and interesting period means people who love the setting will play the game and people who love the game will learn about the setting.

Though I may or may not have expressed this properly, I love history. I equally love the aspect that the average human being or American doesn't delight in it. It feels special to me. Now here they are taking something I love to read about, love to understand the time period of...and they are making "a game" of it.

In other words: Damnit, they are taking something I like that isn't too popular and are just giving it to those on a certain level who can't get into it any other way.

Well thanks you've just described everyone who likes to play a game based in a historic setting as dumbwits who don't know shit about history themselves. Excuse me but I know all too well what happened at the crusades and at the French Revolution. Not to mention every FPS that was set in one or the other world war, that's history being 'bastardised' too according to you right?
Well I disagree. Yes there are people who like reading about this stuff, yes there are dumb people who don't even know who Napoleon was. But there are also people who know their history but rather than reading through books they like to see it come alive. Musea did a great job at this some time ago by making films about dinosaurs or certain historic battles, but now that the technology grants us the power to infuse it into a game thus making it come alive even more, why would that be an insult to history?

*exhale*

Rumour or fact, a game in revolutionary France that isnt just a Total Waresque game sounds awsome.

That said, the last assassin's creed was just amovie ninja's jumping about hack n slash in the Holy Land. I dont know if Id like to see movie ninja's in Directorate France. What will be the final one? Movie ninja's in 1917 Russia (where you no doubt kill Rasputin as the end boss)?

Sennz0r:

Well I know about the setting, and I like the game, but I still can't get the picture of overly decorative castles, gardens, tights and silly piano music out of my head.
I'm sure you'll start out somewhere in the slums or something between the beggars and whores but to my annoyance they will be French as well (again, nothing personal, most of them are just too damn arrogant to speak a couple words English when you need to find your way in EFFIN PARIS).

Hell, I mostly found the French Revolution to be an elaborate exercise in "F***, we killed all the smart people." I think setting the game in London during the time of Queen Elizabeth or Henry VIII would be way more interesting. Catholics and Protestants are fighting like bloody murder, which keeps with the themes of the original game, and culturally several foreign nations are itching for a fight.

But hey, French Revolution could be cool too.

rossatdi:

Sennz0r:

Are they single-shot rifles with the accuracy of that time? Sure I'll take you on.

Okay, okay. Lets adjust for training and cost of equipment. Where do you get off calling early modern European warfare unmanly? It's not like knights and samurai were particularly 'manly' in that they basically just rode around killing poorly armoured peasants. And if anyone starts any bullshit about "samurai don't ride horses" I'll kneecap them.

Cost of one samurai: a life time of training, discipline and very expensive weapons.
Cost of one musketeer: 3 bob and a few weekends practising at the range.

In fact, warfare isn't manly, its horrible, bloody and always ends in death. And I'm joining the army sometime soon!

Anyway, wasn't this thread about the setting? I think revolutionary France would be a pretty awesome one.

War is sweet to those who have never experienced it - Pindar

Also, ololololol saymurai nevar used armor nor did they evar use anything but swordtanas nor did they ever kill peasants or be dicks nor did they ever abandon their code of honor. :D:D:D

While I do severely doubt they'll get the gravity of the situation right, given that this hits a bit closer to home for Ubisoft than the crusades might give it a chance. It's not like it's impossible. I'd say Call of Duty 2 was pretty respectful of WW2 and got the tone right.

rossatdi:

Sennz0r:

Are they single-shot rifles with the accuracy of that time? Sure I'll take you on.

Okay, okay. Lets adjust for training and cost of equipment. Where do you get off calling early modern European warfare unmanly? It's not like knights and samurai were particularly 'manly' in that they basically just rode around killing poorly armoured peasants. And if anyone starts any bullshit about "samurai don't ride horses" I'll kneecap them.

Cost of one samurai: a life time of training, discipline and very expensive weapons.
Cost of one musketeer: 3 bob and a few weekends practising at the range.

In fact, warfare isn't manly, its horrible, bloody and always ends in death. And I'm joining the army sometime soon!

Anyway, wasn't this thread about the setting? I think revolutionary France would be a pretty awesome one.

Yes, samurai once rode around on horses cutting off heads of peasants. It was cruel, it was horrible.

But, as you said, these people also made fighting their life. The Samurai developed codes of honour, became extremely traditional. They actually did fight for their honour, souls and homes.
I can't really say a musketeer who spent 6 days at bootcamp has the same values as Samurai. Apart from the occasional patriot most of these people were drafted forcibly, thus making them unmotivated soldiers. It's not the effectiveness of the numbers and equipment I respect here. It's the devotion and drive of the people who choose to live in this way.

L.B. Jeffries:

Sennz0r:

Well I know about the setting, and I like the game, but I still can't get the picture of overly decorative castles, gardens, tights and silly piano music out of my head.
I'm sure you'll start out somewhere in the slums or something between the beggars and whores but to my annoyance they will be French as well (again, nothing personal, most of them are just too damn arrogant to speak a couple words English when you need to find your way in EFFIN PARIS).

Hell, I mostly found the French Revolution to be an elaborate exercise in "F***, we killed all the smart people." I think setting the game in London during the time of Queen Elizabeth or Henry VIII would be way more interesting. Catholics and Protestants are fighting like bloody murder, which keeps with the themes of the original game, and culturally several foreign nations are itching for a fight.

But hey, French Revolution could be cool too.

Actually English Religious Violence was nothing compared to The French Religious Wars that occured before Louis XIV's reign (he recinded the Edict of Nantes, which previously ENDED the French Religious wars).

As one of my history professors put it "Very few people in England were willing to die for their faith"

If you don't believe me look up The St. Bartholemews Day Massacre and Henry Navarre, they're pretty good keystones for understanding the period.

Sennz0r:

rossatdi:

Sennz0r:

Are they single-shot rifles with the accuracy of that time? Sure I'll take you on.

Okay, okay. Lets adjust for training and cost of equipment. Where do you get off calling early modern European warfare unmanly? It's not like knights and samurai were particularly 'manly' in that they basically just rode around killing poorly armoured peasants. And if anyone starts any bullshit about "samurai don't ride horses" I'll kneecap them.

Cost of one samurai: a life time of training, discipline and very expensive weapons.
Cost of one musketeer: 3 bob and a few weekends practising at the range.

In fact, warfare isn't manly, its horrible, bloody and always ends in death. And I'm joining the army sometime soon!

Anyway, wasn't this thread about the setting? I think revolutionary France would be a pretty awesome one.

Yes, samurai once rode around on horses cutting off heads of peasants. It was cruel, it was horrible.

But, as you said, these people also made fighting their life. The Samurai developed codes of honour, became extremely traditional. They actually did fight for their honour, souls and homes.
I can't really say a musketeer who spent 6 days at bootcamp has the same values as Samurai. Apart from the occasional patriot most of these people were drafted forcibly, thus making them unmotivated soldiers. It's not the effectiveness of the numbers and equipment I respect here. It's the devotion and drive of the people who choose to live in this way.

These same Samurai who would regularly kill insolent peasants and even Asian historians say were pretty regularly no better than tyrants or bandits? Kind of like the Knights developed a code of chivalry and then only applied it to knights. People with power like that in that time period were dicks.

EDIT: Scratch that, people with that kind of unquestionable power period are dicks.

Hmm...I really dont know if im guessing this. I liked AC...liked. But it was repetive, the story was crap, the end was a kick in the nuts, combat was boring...basically there were a lot of problems. I have Ubisoft could do better, these are the guys who created PoP and BG&E after all. Just have to wait and see. Frend Revolution does sound intresting though.

I wouldn't have ever guessed the French Revolution, I was almost sure it'd be set over in the Far East. This is awesome, I'm now looking forward to playing it even more! ;D

PedroSteckecilo:

Actually English Religious Violence was nothing compared to The French Religious Wars that occured before Louis XIV's reign (he recinded the Edict of Nantes, which previously ENDED the French Religious wars).

As one of my history professors put it "Very few people in England were willing to die for their faith"

If you don't believe me look up The St. Bartholemews Day Massacre and Henry Navarre, they're pretty good keystones for understanding the period.

I believe it, I just figured the game was confined to 1789 to 1799 since the guy said French Revolution.

I think I just have a softspot for the whole Christopher Marlowe, Bill Shakespeare culture.

The only questions I have are-

"Do I wear pantaloons?"
"What do I have in my arsenal?"
"How easy is it to go kill the general population of the lower classes?"

Sweet. I'm always up for a change of location. Better than France during World War II, and now we get to run around in it before the place was bombed into rubble, instead of during said bombings.

It has the potential to be a good game, I think, as long as they put a little more variety into the chores you have to do before the assassination

this could be a good idea

they could make the main character english and the assassination targets french, perhaps, even napoleon as a final target? (i know it isn't historically accurate but it would be fun)

making the main character english could explain how desmond is an american while his ancestor was from the holy land

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