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News Room Contributor  Posts: 1863 Joined: 19 Aug 2006     | |
News Room Contributor  Posts: 7614 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   | You know what? I really like him. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1822 Joined: 31 Oct 2007   |
Ditto. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2737 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   | Well. He certainly knows what's what, doesn't he? |
On the Record  Posts: 5521 Joined: 7 Feb 2008    | Hooray for sanity! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1234 Joined: 9 Sep 2008    | I miss the days when DRM was little more than a text file telling the game where to find the CD. Thanks to that, I was able to play MoO2 on two laptops me and a mate salvaged back in the day, with only one CD drive and an ad-hoc wireless network between them. It also means that despite the original disc long since having vanished from the material plane, I'm still able to play the game, thanks to that MoO2 directory sitting on my hard drive, being carefully transferred from one incarnation of my PC to the next, just incase I feel like a game. Man, I love MoO2. I hope Stardock do manage to pick up the rights to make a proper sequel. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 411 Joined: 8 Jun 2008    | That's why Valve is much better than EA. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1574 Joined: 16 Jan 2008    | On a side note, how many of you are called Logan? I'm counting two. But I suspect you have an office full of Logans, and that even Russ and Susan have Logan as their middle name. |
SUSPENDED  Posts: 3187 Joined: 7 Nov 2007  |
Ditto of your ditto. User was suspended for: Lock this.. (7 days) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1234 Joined: 9 Sep 2008 | Would the collective noun for Logans be a Run or a Berserk? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1379 Joined: 7 Feb 2008   | Hurray for Gabe Newell! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2737 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
A Hive or an Overmind, most likely. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 201 Joined: 2 Jan 2008   |
Oh yeh? I'd turn gay for Gabe. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1543 Joined: 31 Mar 2008   | I admire this man more every time I hear him speak... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1166 Joined: 23 Jul 2008   |
I wouldn't do that ,but something equally life changing. P.S. A little off topic but congrats to Root on the news room thing. |
Beat Writer Posts: 146 Joined: 4 Nov 2008     | Good on ya, Gabe. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 2 Joined: 9 Sep 2008 | What you've got to remember is that in a way steam is a form of DRM. You need an account, and it stops the game from being played by more than one person at a time. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 621 Joined: 23 Apr 2008   | Viva Newell! Viva Stardock! Death to DRM! Viva Revolution! ;) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2628 Joined: 21 Aug 2008    |
double ditto? can you even double ditto? feck yeah I, i just did! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1369 Joined: 6 Feb 2008  | Out of interest (& I have no idea on this) can you resell/swap Steam games with other people? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3185 Joined: 25 Feb 2008   |
Sadly no, you can buy a game as a gift for another account. But you can't actually give your games to other people, you have to decide who it's for when you pay. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1355 Joined: 13 Oct 2008  |
Agreed, totally agreed! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1336 Joined: 11 Oct 2008    | It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar. This just shows how amazing of a company Valve really is (not that I needed further proof). They're pretty much the best there is. I never had a serious problem with EA until the whole anti-piracy bull they made. They're probably gonna stop soon, though. It's impossible to ignore all the negativity people have thrown at them about it. At least... I seriously hope so. ::crosses fingers for no f**k-ups with Mass Effect 2:: |
BANNED  Posts: 39 Joined: 2 Dec 2008    | Sweet game designers are taking a stand against DRM, and it being Valve just makes it even more awesome. User was banned for: How much do you hate me?. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 63 Joined: 5 Sep 2008 | Apart from the general "BigBrother-feel" regular DRM at least lets you sell used games... Funny how people ignore that and praise Steam, probably the most restrictive kind of protection out there -.- |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 397 Joined: 24 Dec 2007  |
ditto^3 |
Video Producer  Posts: 797 Joined: 19 Feb 2006    |
That's Gabe's point. He is calling most forms of DRM dumb. A smart DRM would be one that protects the developers intellectual property, is unobtrusive as possible and offers added benefits to the consumer for using it. |
Associate Editor  Posts: 2549 Joined: 20 Dec 2005  |
Does that make Blizzard Han Solo? |
On the Record  Posts: 5587 Joined: 25 Jan 2008   | Words are cheap. I should know, I use more of them than most people. If Gabe wants my adoration, he'll have to do more than just say DRM is retarded. Does the EA disc-released copy of Left4Dead have EA's typical SecuROM DRM on it? If it does, has he taken action against EA to have it removed? If it's there, and he hasn't fought it, his words are hollow and not worth wiping one's ass with. But if he has actively done things to eliminate DRM, more than just words, then I salute him. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 194 Joined: 25 Nov 2008   |
Yes. Action, then words! |
Video Producer Posts: 797 Joined: 19 Feb 2006 |
I bought it through Steam, but I am guessing that the retail copies have no further DRM beyond Steam itself. |
Paperboy  Posts: 28 Joined: 25 Nov 2008  |
I think that makes Epic Han Solo |
On the Record  Posts: 5356 Joined: 10 Mar 2008   | He's got the thinking right, but like Khell said, put your money where you're mouth is. It's all good and well to say that most DRM plans are dumb, but if you don't have a suggestion for a DRM plan that isn't dumb then be quite until you do. That being said, he still has the right idea of this bullshit of DRM, but I'd just like to see some action or something other than "I'm a big-time developer of a big-time studio, and I know what's what!" |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4757 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 |
Second on both parts. EDIT:
What about the indie developers? The Rebel Alliance? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1336 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
And I guess Bethesda would be Chewbacca, maybe? As long as Square is C-3P0. They never shut up. |
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Gabe Newell: Most DRM Plans Are "Dumb"
In speaking with a blogger, Valve Co-founder Gabe Newell confirmed that he is still hating "most DRM strategies" and hopes publishers will continue to "abandon" bad approaches to beating pirates.
Blogger Paul Reisinger, concerned about Electronic Arts' involvement with Left 4 Dead and the publisher's issues during the Spore DRM disaster, emailed Newell, who has been very vocal against abusive digital rights management, for answers to his questions.
"Left 4 Dead is developed entirely by Valve. Steam revenue for our games is not shared with third parties," explained Newell, addressing Reisinger's worries that EA had played a part of the game's creation. "Around the world we have a number of distribution partners to handle retail distribution of our games (i.e. make discs and boxes). EA is one of those partners."
His company's partnership with EA didn't restrain him from commenting on some of its anti-piracy ideas, though: "As far as DRM goes, most DRM strategies are just dumb. The goal should be to create greater value for customers through service value (make it easy for me to play my games whenever and wherever I want to), not by decreasing the value of a product (maybe I'll be able to play my game and maybe I won't)."
He is hoping that he can "discourage other developers and publishes from using the broken DRM offerings," and believes he is succeeding due to "a groundswell to abandon those approaches."
Source: Tech in Hiding via GamePolitics
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