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Time Lord  Posts: 9962 Joined: 13 Feb 2008     | |
Muckraker  Posts: 341 Joined: 15 Jul 2008     | wow...18 mnths for burning a flag...spose it was abit over the top tho... wonder what made him do that cause to me it sounds as tho he was provoked in some way, but i wasnt aware the flag was holy and burning would count u as a terrorist...must keep that in mind from now on ;) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4558 Joined: 25 Feb 2008     | Brilliant, no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition! Not even Mr Haritza. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1873 Joined: 13 Jan 2008   | Wait... No... Root? Will you still come visit us sometime? Don't forget all the little men whose heads yuo stepped over! Also, in regards to the article... Yes! Another step to cleaning up the internet, now all we need is to get laws switched around to ban normal flaming, not just of the Spanish Flag variety. Also, you have no idea how tempting it is to post a picture of the Spanish flag in flames. I have the utmost respect for any laws other countries may have, but the urge is still there. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1752 Joined: 22 Oct 2008    |
Meh. A little flaming balances out the trolling. Also, the "Banned for flaming" is misleading. |
Time Lord Posts: 9962 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
Not really, he was flaming as well as posting pictures. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1054 Joined: 14 Dec 2007  | Ya know, I don't really think I can add anything to make this more hilarious then it already is. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1077 Joined: 26 Apr 2008   |
Flaming? Because the flag was on fire? Geddit? Anyway, this certainly is odd news to wake up to. Did the guy burn a flag, take a picture and then post it, or just find one on google? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1915 Joined: 9 Sep 2008    | In the immortal words of the late, great George Carlin. "Flags are symbols and I leave symbols to the simple-minded". Flags are identifiers. A quick, easy way of saying, "This is mine". There is nothing sacred or holy about them. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1360 Joined: 21 May 2008     | Even having been there several times and being quite good at geography, I have no idea what the spanish flag looks like... *Some google magic* Well I'm very underwhelmed. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1752 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
Sorry, I meant that this: "...convicted of flaming on an internet forum..." was misleading. He was convicted of flag-burning, right? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2486 Joined: 29 Nov 2007     | Well I'll be, if you google 'Spanish flag burning' nothing comes up. Looks like they made their point. |
Wordsmith Extraordinaire  Posts: 10318 Joined: 28 Nov 2007    |
Isn't it the one that has a green vertical stripe on the left side, then a center white stripe, then a red stripe on the right? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1360 Joined: 21 May 2008 |
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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4269 Joined: 13 Aug 2008    |
You would be thinking of Italy methinks. |
Wordsmith Extraordinaire Posts: 10318 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 |
/whoops |
BANNED  Posts: 2505 Joined: 19 Aug 2008  | How do you get a jail sentence for something you do on an internet forum? Thats pretty dumb. I can understand like a fine or something but 18 months? He just started a flame war not light a flag on fire. User was banned for: Poll: Round 5 - Field of Four - (1) Turbine vs (1) Nintendo. (Permanent) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 429 Joined: 26 Sep 2008   |
Type "burn spanish flag" on a google image search and all of two come up on the front page of results along for some reason with 4 burning american flags and 2 burning UK flags. Also for a laugh try burning some virtual flags yourself at http://burntflag.com/
Re-read the post, he posted a pic of the flag on fire and seeing as he got 18 months and convicted in a non-internet court I would guess it was a pic of him next to a burning Spanish flag. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2486 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 |
I don't know why I post stuff like that when we all know this is the interwebs and I can easily find a video of two girls and one cup, much less some random dude lighting a flag on fire for kicks. |
Time Lord Posts: 9962 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
Both, the treasonous statements "pissing in the graves" added to his sentence. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 604 Joined: 17 Oct 2007    | Lets not stop at that, lets just make trolling illegal, clean up the internet. No one will miss them |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 97 Joined: 16 Jun 2008 |
But I'm a troll! People already threaten to sue me! |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 785 Joined: 20 Sep 2007   |
Until one day when you're in a bad mood and post some stuff you shouldn't have... : P Remind me to never visit Spain ~~ |
Copy Clerk Posts: 65 Joined: 22 Feb 2007  | Yeah... it's like I always say. If you think black people are the same as anyone else, you should not say so while living in a KKK household. So as much as I am for free speech and rational approach to punishment and crime prevention, I can't say he didn't bring it on himself, as irrational and paranoid as the law might be in this case. While in Rome, do as Romans do. BTW, what the hell happened to banishment? If someone insists on doing something most others consider unacceptable, barring any real free speech laws, he should be banished to find or found a place where he can do and say what he wants (or until he changes his mind and submits to the rest of society). Instead he is just punished so he gets even more pissed, and then he's let go back into the society he apparently hates... Seems counter-productive somehow. |
BANNED  Posts: 64 Joined: 10 Nov 2008 | Interesting, google has zero images of "burning spanish flag" User was banned for: Simpsons Sex Scandal. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4296 Joined: 20 Dec 2007   |
Tangential learning works! |
On the Record  Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008  | Now, I just wish someone would explain to me why the Klan would burn crosses... |
On the Record  Posts: 5484 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 | Wait a second, I don't see anywhere in there that he was the one that actually burned the flag. I could find a picture of a Spanish flag being burned and post it, but that doesn't mean I burned it. If he burned it, or even claimed that he did, then yes, he broke the law. But if he just posted a picture of it I don't think that would break a law. Just like you could post a picture of a dead person and not be arrested for murder. |
On the Record  Posts: 5721 Joined: 9 Jul 2008  |
Lol. Daniel Floyd reference. "My name is this, and I'm here to talk about these." /offtopic EDIT:
Yes, but if the flag is "holy" to Spaniards, then even posting the picture would mean disrespect and therefore, to them at least, sacrilege. EDIT #2:
I've never understood that either. |
Paperboy Posts: 35 Joined: 5 Dec 2008  |
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=why+does+the+kkk+burn+crosses |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 9 Dec 2008 | Sorry, but as a spaniard I find that this post is misunderstanding the situation: The main cause this flamer was condemned was for insult some of the most known terrorism victims in the history of Spain: Politician Miguel Angel Blanco who was kidnapped for days and murdered later, Irene Villa who lives on a wheelchair since a bomb attack when she was a teenager and Gregorio Ordóñez, another politician murdered two days before the local elections. He did not stop here, but also he insults their families and the many policemen murdered by this terrorism group ETA. Oh, he also states things like "We're fucking his widows, and we are proud of it". Imagine someone saying such things about the September 11 victims, their families and the cops... All this actions are punished by the Spanish Terrism Law (can't remember the real name though) but burning the national flag is not. That is stated in the Spanish Constitution, but almost nobody who has done it has been condemned to prison. Anyway, it doesn't help when you do it after posting such atrocities. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 884 Joined: 19 Sep 2008   |
Yeah, but jailing someone for merely saying something, no matter how offensive, is incredibly backward. I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire (possibly) |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 9 Dec 2008 |
The judge felt his statements weren't an opinion on a political discussion, but a constant insult (3 months) to the victims, calling them for their own names (no "I piss on the victims" but "I piss on Miguel Angel Blanco"). That's something against the person's honor, out of bounds of free speech and so, punishable. It's jail too much for that? Maybe, but it isn't an attack to free speech, hey! here we have no beeps on TV when someone swears!. And stop that inquisition crap, it was 600 years ago! we inveted the siesta in compensation! ;) |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 884 Joined: 19 Sep 2008 |
It was posted on a forum, so not actually a direct harassment of the people. It definately does contradict free speech, as the whole point of free speech is that as long as it's words and not actions, it should be protected, no matter how vile they may be. I agree that saying "I piss on Miguel Angel Bianco" is tasteless and against his honour, but I still believe that he has a right to express his opinion. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 9 Dec 2008 |
I don't know if someone publishing lies and insults about me on a local newspaper for 3 months is direct harassment, but it's definitely something I'll try to legally fight against. Can't find a reason why a forum may be diferent, on the internet you are "publishing", not "saying".
Harming someone is an action. This is not a console fanboy who wakes up on a bad day and swears in a forum. This guy was causing the victim's relatives real pain for 3 months and was enjoing it. Free speech it's a right, but as all of them, if you abuse it to the point when you harm someone intentionally and repeatedly, you should face the consequences. |
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Duende Del Internet Jailed
A Spanish troll is getting a one and a half year jail sentence for flaming.
Xavier Rezola Tellechea, aka Eneko Haritza, starts his 18 month jail sentence today, convicted of flaming on an internet forum.
Between the dates of December 2007 and Feburary 2008, he is alleged to have 'flamed' Miguel Angel Blanco, Irene Villa and Gregorio Ordóñez on the forum (which has not been identified).
Comments such as "We cleaned the ass with the foreign flag of Spain... we pissed in the tombs of the relatives of the AVT" brought him to the attention of the moderators, but then he did a very silly thing: He posted a picture of a Spanish flag in flames.
Under Section Three of the Spanish Terrorism Law, there is little worse than burning a Spanish flag; the Union Jack or the Stars & Stripes may be sacrosanct, the Spanish Flag is holy to the Spanish. He was fined 2,850 Euros and sentenced to 18 months imprisonment soon after.
Still fancy putting another "Ask a X" thread up? :)
Source : Elmundo (Spanish)
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