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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1853 Joined: 7 Jul 2008     | |
On the Record  Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     |
Alright then, I have nothing to really add much to that. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1853 Joined: 7 Jul 2008 |
Fair enough. I know I was a bit overboard doing the whole "oh there are no greifers on PSN" bit but I think I pre-emptively wanted to bash that silly misconception into the ground. My apologies. |
Muckraker  Posts: 239 Joined: 24 Oct 2007     | Blaming Live users for censorship is like blaming pirates for draconian DRM. If you implement a terrible solution to a problem you have no one to blame but yourself. Why not have "kid-friendly" areas where the filter is on, but leave it off in other areas? How about making the filter a client-side option, complete with a password lock so that parents can control what their kids see? Others have implemented systems that let you avoid people and language you find offensive over and over again. There are plenty of examples that Sony could use to inform their design. There is just no excuse for this kind of idiocy. Open betas are to test stability of a system once significant numbers of people are connected. If you don't know what you're doing by the time everyone on earth can plug in then something is seriously wrong. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2524 Joined: 17 Apr 2008   |
erm... hate to rain on your parade but when you launch Home, it quite specifically says that its a BETA on the logo... Home isn't entirely here yet, and besides, even if it has been fully launched they can still tweak it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4297 Joined: 20 Dec 2007     | What is really weird, is that when I log on, my words aren't censored. I even said the N word once. |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
I think it's only censored to other people, but I've seen other people say "Hello" without the little * things. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2275 Joined: 13 Sep 2007   |
He knows. He's saying that that's just a farce, something they can use to deflect any criticism, and that it's long since passed the point where it's not a Beta; they can just get away with it because it is by nature an everchanging application. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 372 Joined: 6 Nov 2006     | Lets see, if they didn't censor those words, then the gay/lesbian/ect groups, would be bitching to sue sony for not doing somemthing about all the teenager children using 'omg thats gay', or 'omfg yoru gay' type phrases for everything. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4297 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 |
They probably use the "Hello" quick-command. This would be truly ridiculous if even pre-written commands in home are also censored. |
BANNED  Posts: 1201 Joined: 18 Sep 2008    | Wow that sucks! User was banned for: WOW: a wtf moment. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
That was the same command that was censored in "****o". I used to think they were saying "Fucko". Who would waste time in typing out "Hello"? That was bad programing on Sony's behalf.
EXACTLY! They're damned if they do and damned if the don't. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 141 Joined: 30 Jul 2008    |
I thought the exact same thing. And spent a good hour wondering why everyone on the PS3 liked Phillip Clyde so much. Pity my wasted hour. Back on topic, as someone previously said, I think the best way to do it is with an option. You have one for voice chat, Sony. Why not censoring? Even Puzzle Pirates had an option for censoring, and that's a Java-based game. Maybe throw in a quasi-censor option so we at least have some sort of idea what words are being censored. (And so I don't feel like a fool for thinking 'hell-o' is 'fuck-o'.) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1367 Joined: 31 Mar 2008  | ...and every PS3 owner in Scunthorpe simultaneously threw their consoles out of the nearest window. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1684 Joined: 7 Feb 2008   |
Uh... No. Do you know what "beta" means? Beta means that it's 95% complete in terms of content. All that needs to be done is some bug crunching. So any sweeping changes to the game is done in the Alpha stages, not beta. This essentially means the "suck" is there to stay. Besides, there's no hope for a game that has a "suck" filled design philosophy. Oh and by the way Censorship sucks in any form. |
Paperboy  Posts: 45 Joined: 29 Jun 2008   | I just love the way everything in Sony's home feels like the perfect model of a dystopia. Sony try's to create the golden city on the hill with home but just ends up with something out a Geogre Orwell, Aldous Huxley novel. You're only allowed to do boring simple games over and over again. Your words and actions are always monitored and controlled. You are not allowed to create anything of your own. You own and have nothing there you are at the whim and mercy of your Sony overlords. Honestly your just Sony's little puppets when you are there. Home is the worst combination of capitalism and dictatorship around. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 551 Joined: 1 May 2008    | home isnt worth the memory its stealing from u. |
On the Record  Posts: 5490 Joined: 13 Aug 2008   |
Hey, your use of the word elephant has offended me! Why is that not censored!? But seriously, it seems to me like the best thing they could have done would be to allow the users to set their own level of censorship, or at least turn it off or on. |
Muckraker  Posts: 320 Joined: 20 Dec 2007   | Two things I hated about Home For one, Its boring
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Press Junketeer  Posts: 482 Joined: 21 Apr 2008  | man i hate censorship. they better fix this |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 79 Joined: 18 Dec 2008   | I'd love to see their design documents.
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Press Junketeer  Posts: 366 Joined: 3 Sep 2008  | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBC3hM1CLEA Penn and Teller Bullshit: Profanity. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1684 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
I love Penn and Teller. I often times find myself agreeing with their viewpoints. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1800 Joined: 28 Dec 2008  | you can't say hell in home? wow that's pathetic. it's worse then runescape. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2849 Joined: 8 Jul 2008   | Are we going to get the Afros from 4chan on there? God I hope there's a pool in Home... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2381 Joined: 6 Mar 2008  | I just spell "cunt" with a cedilla. The message is still clear. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 53 Joined: 24 Jan 2008  | Even the greasemonkey profanity filter works better than that! At least they are smart enough to filter full words. |
BANNED  Posts: 50 Joined: 3 Jan 2009  | I feel sorry for SONY they tried their best to make a virtual chat and then failed.... EPIC FAIL Home = *** User was banned for: Funniest Weirdest Scariest thing you have ever seen?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3896 Joined: 4 May 2008    |
...Bravo. Bravo indeed. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 449 Joined: 10 Jun 2008 |
Wow, it only took 3/4 of a page before somewhat brought in the Christian angle again. It's nice to see that angst towards Christianity is alive and well in a non-christian related news item...because we all know *all* Christians are ultra right wing fanatics right and a factor in all censorship these days. [/sarcasm] |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 10 Joined: 26 Jun 2009 |
LOL thats a fail and that they did go quite a bit over the top with not being able to say hello. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2566 Joined: 19 Mar 2008   |
It's the fact that they blocked the words 'gay' and 'hello' in the first place that's the issue. |
Muckraker  Posts: 235 Joined: 21 Mar 2009    | Living In The Home Universe Is Like Living In The Universe From |
Beat Writer  Posts: 131 Joined: 23 Jun 2009 | You can't even say boobies. That makes me a sad panda :( |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1879 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 | Really it does sound overdone, and overrestrictive. Block faggot, but not gay. I had a similar thing happen on WOW, where I ran the guild Sunken Temple Pilots, and we decided to split the guild, making a new one for raiders, called Black Temple Pilots. Turned out you couldn't use the word 'Black', even tho 'Black Temple' was a dungeon in the game. In the end we found we could call ourselves 'BlackTemple Pilots' instead of 'Black Temple Pilots' and it'd get around the auto filters, the human GMs understanding there was no racial motive but having no way to get around the censor. Really tho, they've either gotta put some serious blocks in, or have monitors watching the place, or the first time someone types 'gay' in the wrong context, Sony are suddenly homophobic. It's like blaming Sharpie for what's written on the toilet wall. If only the majority of people weren't utter fuckwits, Sony wouldn't have to bother at all. It's like chatrooms with draconic rules on topics and words, I've seen them where 'no politics' is a rule, it's kinda hard to talk about anything without some form of politics involved. |
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What I'm saying is that any such lawsuit against Microsoft because people have been using racial/sexist/homophobic epithets on Live's voice client either doesn't exist or has been thrown out despite the lack of any censorship or even a competent system for banning people.
Actually let me make this easier by using what Sony ripped off to create Home, which is Second Life. There is very little in the way of censorship there at all, but people aren't lining up to sue because they "were offended" by some anonymous dickweed on it. That of course might be because in SL people can be banned right off of sims for that kind of behavior.
Quite frequently actually since I have a few friends of the so-named "alternative lifestyles", and it is the word they use. I mean what else were they going to use to describe themselves. Queer maybe.
So basically you're now saying they'll just use "YOU SUCK" instead of the other words now that they're censored?