EA's New Scrabble App Causes Kerfuffle

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Ympulse:

But yet you have touted the virtues of steam more than once on these boards. Stop being a hypocrite just to earn internet cool guy points and actually think for yourself. The world will be a better place for it.

americans only care about being spied on by people they don't like.

Zachary Amaranth:
They're dropping online passes and offering OP content free. While this is technically "correcting a mistake," I consider making something right doing something right.

...Unfortunately, that's the only one I can name. Which makes me suspicious. WHAT ARE YOU UP TO EA?

True, though it should be pointed out that their decision to get rid of online passes is timed rather coincidentally with the reveal of the Xbone's "publisher-based decision making" in regards to how much DRM the games have. So it could very well be that they simply said "fine, we'll get rid of online passes, they're outdated now that we have a console which fully backs DRM".

No way to ever be sure of that, though, it's just suspicion and nothing more.

CriticKitten:
True, though it should be pointed out that their decision to get rid of online passes is timed rather coincidentally with the reveal of the Xbone's "publisher-based decision making" in regards to how much DRM the games have. So it could very well be that they simply said "fine, we'll get rid of online passes, they're outdated now that we have a console which fully backs DRM".

No way to ever be sure of that, though, it's just suspicion and nothing more.

"Publisher-based decision-making" is what we already have. It'the "you need to check in every day/hour" and "you need special permission to sell your own property" that's suspicious. However comma, Sony's DRM policy will be the same as this gen, which means they can't drop online passes and hope to pull that with the PS4. It only works with the One.

FalloutJack:

IanDavis:

"We are sorry we weren't able to please everybody," a Mattel Spokeswoman said. "We produce the board game but we're not experts in electronics."

*Spoken as Tyrion Lannister*

"Pardon me, but you ARE called Electronic Arts, correct? That would imply that this is your TRADE. Now, far be it for a man of my stature to complain, but it would seem that you have admitted to being utterly worthless and incompetent. How exactly do you account for that?"

That's a spokesperson from Mattel, the company who created Scrabble, and gave its electronic version rights to EA. Not an EA spokesperson.

Apologies if someone's already talked about this.

Zachary Amaranth:
"Publisher-based decision-making" is what we already have. It'the "you need to check in every day/hour" and "you need special permission to sell your own property" that's suspicious. However comma, Sony's DRM policy will be the same as this gen, which means they can't drop online passes and hope to pull that with the PS4. It only works with the One.

You're mixing up different time periods here.

Originally when the Xbone was unveiled, it was pretty clear that EA was ready to be a one-console lady. They made a point of publicly burning their bridge with Nintendo by withdrawing much of their support on the console, and have been promising much of their "exclusive"/"timed exclusive" content on the Xbone.

But with all of the very visible backlash against the Xbone, EA's been pulling back and is now trying to pretend that it actually wants the competition between the two consoles. In reality, EA would enjoy nothing more than to see the Xbone win, so that it can utilize its SimCity-esque DRM on more of its games.

In other words, the decision to remove online passes was originally motivated by their wishes to get in bed with Microsoft....but now that they see potential problems with that, they're trying to play the middle-man and act like they want competition. They couldn't be rooting for the Xbone more clearly if they were all wearing foam fingers to its press conferences.

CriticKitten:
I'm actually sort of curious now.

Is there anything EA can do right? Because it seems like they're actively doing everything they can possibly do to make their customers mad and piss them off. And statistically speaking, there's no way that should be possible. They'd have to do SOMETHING right, even by accident, at some point in time. It's like they actually want people to hate them.

....is EA trying to pull some Zero Requiem shit on us right now?

Did you read the part where Mattel said it was their fault?

OT: While its EAsy to blame EA, is it always right? I mean sometimes when you acquire something from someone else, it isn't always in the best shape. Maybe EA fucks up a lot, maybe they just buy a lot of things that look good on the outside but are rotting from within.
Its hard for me to believe that EA is such a failure as a company because somehow they're still in business. Whereas THQ, a company who looked like they had it together suddenly goes tits up in a matter of months.
Why is that? Because perception isn't reality folks.

Ympulse:
Bingo

Zachary Amaranth:
Bongo

Binnsyboy:
Boop

All of you are taking this far too seriously when I was obviously being humorous. One of you is being exceptionally rude and that will stop now.

CriticKitten:

Because that would imply that they bought all of those games for absolutely no reason, and played them for absolutely no reason,

That sums up the hobby pretty well.

There was a time not to long ago when people bought games so they could play them, not so they could show off their high scores. I know what was going on during the arcade days, but that was a more personal connection since you lived nearby and possibly competed with your friends. This is just showing off to people on Facebook how you choose to utilize your spare time.

Also, it's scrabble.

Can someone explain why it matters what dictionary the game uses? Do different dictionaries have different spellings? Or is it an American/British spelling thing?

At the risk of making myself look like an ignoramus: I don't get it.

"Who wants to play it in six languages?"
Anyone who is not a native English speaker maybe? Or just anyone who isn't fluent? Sorry, there are some reasonable complaints in there, but that is just petty.

Scrabble really is serious business.

""Who wants to play it in six languages? I've been playing for over four years, I had 5,000 games on my statistics, I'd won 71% of them, I had my best scores recorded - and now it's all lost.""

Don't ever get too attached to any kind of leader boards or statistics held on servers and not your local machine, because those things are transient as the wind.

Sucks that manual matchmaking went away, I am sure a lot of people want to play with their friends and family.

CrossLOPER:

CriticKitten:

Because that would imply that they bought all of those games for absolutely no reason, and played them for absolutely no reason,

That sums up the hobby pretty well.

There was a time not to long ago when people bought games so they could play them, not so they could show off their high scores. I know what was going on during the arcade days, but that was a more personal connection since you lived nearby and possibly competed with your friends. This is just showing off to people on Facebook how you choose to utilize your spare time.

Also, it's scrabble.

Since the first mainstream video game, Pong, people have competed and the competition has been part of gaming. You are really stretching to try and make a point that does not exist.

CriticKitten:
...is EA trying to pull some Zero Requiem shit on us right now?

I had this same exact thought a while back.

Microsoft seems to be in on it too, seeing how they mess up all they can with the Xbone, and invite EA to be their biggest partner.

CriticKitten:
You're mixing up different time periods here.

Originally when the Xbone was unveiled, it was pretty clear that EA was ready to be a one-console lady. They made a point of publicly burning their bridge with Nintendo by withdrawing much of their support on the console, and have been promising much of their "exclusive"/"timed exclusive" content on the Xbone.

But with all of the very visible backlash against the Xbone, EA's been pulling back and is now trying to pretend that it actually wants the competition between the two consoles. In reality, EA would enjoy nothing more than to see the Xbone win, so that it can utilize its SimCity-esque DRM on more of its games.

In other words, the decision to remove online passes was originally motivated by their wishes to get in bed with Microsoft....but now that they see potential problems with that, they're trying to play the middle-man and act like they want competition. They couldn't be rooting for the Xbone more clearly if they were all wearing foam fingers to its press conferences.

I'm not mixing up time periods so much as you're mixing up what was going on, period.

I think you missed one of the crucial issues with the online pass: it was costing them money. Hell, it could have saved Microsoft some hardship if there actually was an interplay between them and Microsoft, because their policies have actively harmed them. EA were even pretty open about this.

Anything else is just a conspiracy theory.

FalloutJack:

Ympulse:
Bingo

Zachary Amaranth:
Bongo

Binnsyboy:
Boop

All of you are taking this far too seriously when I was obviously being humorous. One of you is being exceptionally rude and that will stop now.

Personally, I took it as a joke that was harmed by the inaccuracy of the matter. I would have found it far funnier had it come from Electronic Arts, but the fact of the matter is it didn't and it was an easy catch. I know humour is subjective and the variations of observed humour are hard to categorise, but I feel I was taking it just as seriously as was appropriate.

Yes, someone talking about going "full retard" is too serious. Pointing out why a joke doesn't ring true really shouldn't be. Sadly, this is a far more serious post than I'd like, so I'll leave you with an amusing video.

CrossLOPER:

CriticKitten:

Because that would imply that they bought all of those games for absolutely no reason, and played them for absolutely no reason,

That sums up the hobby pretty well.

There was a time not to long ago when people bought games so they could play them, not so they could show off their high scores. I know what was going on during the arcade days, but that was a more personal connection since you lived nearby and possibly competed with your friends. This is just showing off to people on Facebook how you choose to utilize your spare time.

Also, it's scrabble.

High scores have been a part of video games since pretty much day one. To downplay the "arcade days" is to ignore a good chunk of gaming history. Which is fine, but only if you're not going to lecture people on the way things used to be. Gaming never stopped having high scores even when games started moving into the "more story" department.

This becomes an even worse point when brought up talking about Scrabble. Scrabble's been serious business for a lot of people since well before I (and presumably you) was even born. Tournaments and scoring are a big deal to the "hardcore" culture that exists within the game. Has been for a long time. Back in the old days, before GameFaqs and YouTube, they had walkthroughs for games like Scrabble called "books," and you could study to try and become the best at the game, even possibly on a national level.

So we take two competitive cultures and merge them into a digital version of a game that's often treated as competitive and...What? Looks like talking down to people to me, but maybe not. Whatever.

Still, with the purpose of Scrabble, it's even more baffling. It's not like you play Scrabble to enjoy a narrative or experience kickass visuals. The goal of Scrabble, the stated goal is to get the highest score. You can play it socially or with family, but even then you're playing for score.

Honestly, it comes off as "stop doing things different from me!" And I see no reason for it.

Amir Kondori:

Since the first mainstream video game, Pong, people have competed and the competition has been part of gaming. You are really stretching to try and make a point that does not exist.

Zachary Amaranth:

High scores have been a part of video games since pretty much day one. To downplay the "arcade days" is to ignore a good chunk of gaming history. Which is fine, but only if you're not going to lecture people on the way things used to be. Gaming never stopped having high scores even when games started moving into the "more story" department.

This becomes an even worse point when brought up talking about Scrabble. Scrabble's been serious business for a lot of people since well before I (and presumably you) was even born. Tournaments and scoring are a big deal to the "hardcore" culture that exists within the game. Has been for a long time. Back in the old days, before GameFaqs and YouTube, they had walkthroughs for games like Scrabble called "books," and you could study to try and become the best at the game, even possibly on a national level.

So we take two competitive cultures and merge them into a digital version of a game that's often treated as competitive and...What? Looks like talking down to people to me, but maybe not. Whatever.

Still, with the purpose of Scrabble, it's even more baffling. It's not like you play Scrabble to enjoy a narrative or experience kickass visuals. The goal of Scrabble, the stated goal is to get the highest score. You can play it socially or with family, but even then you're playing for score.

Honestly, it comes off as "stop doing things different from me!" And I see no reason for it.

The point is that it's a facebook app. You're not going to put anything like that on a resume.

If you use it for practice, you're still not going to need it because your practice isn't going to go away because the company servers experienced a little spring cleaning.

Anyway, the argument started off about MW2 scores, which got hacked three times a day when I played.

I'm glad to see EA really spreading its wings as an entertainment developer and branch out in a way that pisses off more people. Honestly though, I feel kinda bad for the Scribble-players who have lost stats...I've lost many save files in the past myself.

The first time I saw an EA logo on a box of Scrabble (and Monopoly) it blew my mind a little bit.

CriticKitten:
I'm actually sort of curious now.

Is there anything EA can do right? Because it seems like they're actively doing everything they can possibly do to make their customers mad and piss them off. And statistically speaking, there's no way that should be possible. They'd have to do SOMETHING right, even by accident, at some point in time. It's like they actually want people to hate them.

....is EA trying to pull some Zero Requiem shit on us right now?

EA CEO: We will change the world... All eyes will be on EA. The name EA will be despised by all. And when the time comes...
EA Executive: And that's...
EA CEO: Yes... That is the EA... Requiem

CrossLOPER:

The point is that it's a facebook app. You're not going to put anything like that on a resume.

You're nto going to put any of this stuff on a resume, so that's hardly a point. So I see we're back to trying to use the venue to determine the worth. Oh dear.

amaranth_dru:
Did you read the part where Mattel said it was their fault?

I must have, because that's not actually what they said.

"As part of the transition [to EA Mobile], we were unable to carry over ongoing games and statistics, the timer mode and the manual match-making function. The new version will have the same robust statistics moving forward."

This does not say "we couldn't do it because of technical issues on our own end", this merely says "we couldn't do it" and doesn't actually offer a reason. Which means the problem could be on their end OR on EA's end. Given EA's unparalleled tendency to fuck things up, I'm betting it's the latter.

CrossLOPER:
That sums up the hobby pretty well.

There was a time not to long ago when people bought games so they could play them, not so they could show off their high scores. I know what was going on during the arcade days, but that was a more personal connection since you lived nearby and possibly competed with your friends. This is just showing off to people on Facebook how you choose to utilize your spare time.

Also, it's scrabble.

As others have already pointed out, all you're doing in this post is looking down on others who place value in something you don't. It comes across as exceedingly arrogant and I'm not going to humor you with more of a reply than that.

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm not mixing up time periods so much as you're mixing up what was going on, period.

I think you missed one of the crucial issues with the online pass: it was costing them money. Hell, it could have saved Microsoft some hardship if there actually was an interplay between them and Microsoft, because their policies have actively harmed them. EA were even pretty open about this.

Anything else is just a conspiracy theory.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

Because I don't believe for even a second that they dropped the model because of financial difficulties (this is the same company which poured 9 figures into SWTOR and overspent on several of its last big games, so they clearly know jack shit about how to spend their own money), and they certainly didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. There was an ulterior motive here. And the facts all align with this one. EA dumped Nintendo, which refused to let them force DRM onto the console in the form of Origin. Then EA announces a big partnership with Microsoft's new console, which just so happens to be built to allow that sort of DRM. Oh sure, that could just be a big coincidence, but I think it's more likely that it's not.

Oh, and incidentally, Sony's console actually WOULD support similar DRM. Sony did reveal that using the online services of a game (like multiplayer) require a subscription to PS+. All EA has to start doing is releasing more of its games as F2P MMOs or big multiplayer games with an online requirement....which is exactly what they've been doing lately, with C&C, Ultima, and SimCity. Hey, whaddya know? It's almost like they planned it or something. I sure love "coincidences".

CriticKitten:
As others have already pointed out, all you're doing in this post is looking down on others who place value in something you don't. It comes across as exceedingly arrogant and I'm not going to humor you with more of a reply than that

Hey, if you like grinding yourself until you are mentally numb, that is fine. Grind away.

Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

Also, once again, I would like to point out that this started when I responded to a poster that stated that they have an emotional connection to their Modern Warfare 2 score.

CrossLOPER:
Hey, if you like grinding yourself until you are mentally numb, that is fine. Grind away.

Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

Also, once again, I would like to point out that this started when I responded to a poster that stated that they have an emotional connection to their Modern Warfare 2 score.

Don't really care who you're responding to, arrogance is arrogance.

Your post boils down to "I don't care about it, therefore everyone else should not care either because it has no value in my mind". Which is stupid, because it's essentially saying that you don't actually have a reason for playing video games. Even if you do it for mindless entertainment, you would have SOME attachment to the games merely because they're a source of entertainment, however you are basically saying that you don't even have that reason for owning video games.

So you're spending hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars on all of these things that you own, things that you wouldn't mind if someone just chucked it all out the window or broke it into pieces right in front of you? Buddy, it sounds like your inability to perceive value in video games is far from your biggest problem if you're that detached from reality. Let's talk about better ways to spend your money, for starters....

Someone has a different perception of what's important in their life, that's perfectly fine. Don't look down on them because of it.

CriticKitten:

CrossLOPER:
Hey, if you like grinding yourself until you are mentally numb, that is fine. Grind away.

Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

Also, once again, I would like to point out that this started when I responded to a poster that stated that they have an emotional connection to their Modern Warfare 2 score.

Don't really care who you're responding to, arrogance is arrogance.

There goes that word again, coming from someone who decided to redefine a conversation they were not part of so they could name call and argue.

CriticKitten:
Your post boils down to "I don't care about it, therefore everyone else should not care either because it has no value in my mind". Which is stupid, because it's essentially saying that you don't actually have a reason for playing video games. Even if you do it for mindless entertainment, you would have SOME attachment to the games merely because they're a source of entertainment, however you are basically saying that you don't even have that reason for owning video games.

I'm saying a healthy human mind does not form emotional connections with user stats.

CriticKitten:
So you're spending hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars on all of these things that you own, things that you wouldn't mind if someone just chucked it all out the window or broke it into pieces right in front of you? Buddy, it sounds like your inability to perceive value in video games is far from your biggest problem if you're that detached from reality. Let's talk about better ways to spend your money, for starters....

You're projecting, and you're creating strawmen.

My argument from the start was against the fetish-like attachment to meaningless numbers that are conferred liberally without actually accomplishing anything.

CriticKitten:
Someone has a different perception of what's important in their life, that's perfectly fine. Don't look down on them because of it.

No one above the age of fifteen thinks that their level of prestige in BlOPs 2 is "important".

chimpzy:
Can someone explain why it matters what dictionary the game uses? Do different dictionaries have different spellings? Or is it an American/British spelling thing?

At the risk of making myself look like an ignoramus: I don't get it.

The American/British/Australian thing is part of it. I think most Americans use an "American" Scrabble dictionary.

The immportant thing is that it's a different set of words. There are a lot of words in English, and learning huge lists of them is really important to Scrabble players: especialy 2 or 3 letter words. It's like if you were a LoL or DOTA2 player and they made major changes to something like last hitting. Switching dictionaries makes a big difference.

So, it doesn't matter so much about the nature of the changes to the word list, but rather that the word list has changed significantly.

It seems a reasonable complaint to me and I don't play Scrabble that much.

It's easy to trivialize something that someone else thinks is important. Imagine if tommorow it was revealed that Dark Souls II will feature a minimap. Players of that game would go absolutely crazy. People who don't play the series would just be like, "Lulz? The game didn't have a minimap before? Fake difficulty. Getting mad about this kind of thing is dumb. Get a life!"

CrossLOPER:
Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

CrossLOPER:
I'm saying a healthy human mind does not form emotional connections with user stats.

I strongly disagree, it's perfectly reasonable for people who play games to get attached to their game stats. People take pride in their accomplishments, and symbols or reminders of things they've done act as nice manifestations of those accomplishments, think of the importance placed on trophies, medals, diplomas and certificates, pictures, even scars. These scrabble players got their stats through a lot of playing, it meant a lot, maybe not to you but it did to them, and it cannot be replaced easily.

I find your inability to understand people can become emotionally invested in representations of their accomplishments very depressing and really narcissistic, because viewing items or words solely at face value, purely based on what they literally mean with no emotions whatsoever seems like a cold way to look at things, and because it sounds like you think something cannot possibly have value unless you, personally, feel it does.

So yeah, getting your stats reset sucks.

BlazeRaider:

CrossLOPER:
Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

CrossLOPER:
I'm saying a healthy human mind does not form emotional connections with user stats.

I strongly disagree, it's perfectly reasonable for people who play games to get attached to their game stats. People take pride in their accomplishments, and symbols or reminders of things they've done act as nice manifestations of those accomplishments, think of the importance placed on trophies, medals, diplomas and certificates, pictures, even scars. These scrabble players got their stats through a lot of playing, it meant a lot, maybe not to you but it did to them, and it cannot be replaced easily.

I find your inability to understand people can become emotionally invested in representations of their accomplishments very depressing and really narcissistic, because viewing items or words solely at face value, purely based on what they literally mean with no emotions whatsoever seems like a cold way to look at things, and because it sounds like you think something cannot possibly have value unless you, personally, feel it does.

So yeah, getting your stats reset sucks.

I think we have an extreme disagreement regarding the meaning of the word "accomplishment".

CrossLOPER:

BlazeRaider:

CrossLOPER:
Just don't tell me that your score on the leaderboards is linked intrinsically to your quality of life or that you are unable to enjoy a game unless there is a giant number that can be placed in a tag in your sig so that everyone can see. It's terribly depressing and really narcissistic.

CrossLOPER:
I'm saying a healthy human mind does not form emotional connections with user stats.

I strongly disagree, it's perfectly reasonable for people who play games to get attached to their game stats. People take pride in their accomplishments, and symbols or reminders of things they've done act as nice manifestations of those accomplishments, think of the importance placed on trophies, medals, diplomas and certificates, pictures, even scars. These scrabble players got their stats through a lot of playing, it meant a lot, maybe not to you but it did to them, and it cannot be replaced easily.

I find your inability to understand people can become emotionally invested in representations of their accomplishments very depressing and really narcissistic, because viewing items or words solely at face value, purely based on what they literally mean with no emotions whatsoever seems like a cold way to look at things, and because it sounds like you think something cannot possibly have value unless you, personally, feel it does.

So yeah, getting your stats reset sucks.

I think we have an extreme disagreement regarding the meaning of the word "accomplishment".

Well feel free to state your beliefs on what an accomplishment is then.

I view an accomplishment as something that has been successfully achieved. They can be large or small, they can be productive or recreational, have lots of meaning or little meaning. In general though, people take pride in accomplishments that take a lot of time, effort, or skill. Running a marathon is an accomplishment people would take pride in, as would successfully raising a family, or writing a book, since these things take quite a bit of time and/or effort. A game stat that takes several years to create would fall into that category, it is not something people can choose to do at a whim.

BlazeRaider:

CrossLOPER:

BlazeRaider:

I strongly disagree, it's perfectly reasonable for people who play games to get attached to their game stats. People take pride in their accomplishments, and symbols or reminders of things they've done act as nice manifestations of those accomplishments, think of the importance placed on trophies, medals, diplomas and certificates, pictures, even scars. These scrabble players got their stats through a lot of playing, it meant a lot, maybe not to you but it did to them, and it cannot be replaced easily.

I find your inability to understand people can become emotionally invested in representations of their accomplishments very depressing and really narcissistic, because viewing items or words solely at face value, purely based on what they literally mean with no emotions whatsoever seems like a cold way to look at things, and because it sounds like you think something cannot possibly have value unless you, personally, feel it does.

So yeah, getting your stats reset sucks.

I think we have an extreme disagreement regarding the meaning of the word "accomplishment".

Well feel free to state your beliefs on what an accomplishment is then.

I view an accomplishment as something that has been successfully achieved. They can be large or small, they can be productive or recreational, have lots of meaning or little meaning. In general though, people take pride in accomplishments that take a lot of time, effort, or skill. Running a marathon is an accomplishment people would take pride in, as would successfully raising a family, or writing a book, since these things take quite a bit of time and/or effort. A game stat that takes several years to create would fall into that category, it is not something people can choose to do at a whim.

Playing video games does not require anywhere as much investment or bring any return as those things you mentioned. There are competitions out there where people actually earn money playing games and work hard to get there, but that is completely different than grinding stats. What you are doing is essentially killing time. It is not on the level where it benefits you in any way. No one is going to praise you for spending nine years playing WoW. You will attract nothing but pity and contempt.

The spirit of an accomplishment is having bettered yourself and/or others around you in some way. Anything below that indicates severely degenerated standards.

EA takes over, disrespects everyone, ruins everything.

Sometimes, I catch myself thinking that they do this on purpose.

No one can be this stupid.

CrossLOPER:
There goes that word again, coming from someone who decided to redefine a conversation they were not part of so they could name call and argue.

What is this nonsense? A conversation I wasn't part of? You quoted me originally. If anything, you're the one introducing himself into a conversation you were never a part of, and you're doing so yourself in the most rude, disrespectful, and outright dismissive manner possible. Hell, in your response to me, you have two such comments:

I'm saying a healthy human mind does not form emotional connections with user stats.

No one above the age of fifteen thinks that their level of prestige in BlOPs 2 is "important".

You're the one resorting to a heavy dose of ad hominem and insulting comments here, not me. You don't get to pretend that you're being the mature, rational person arguing against a bunch of "crazies" when you're posting like this. You're not fooling anyone. Right now, the one who needs to work on his tone is you, not me or anyone else. I suggest you do so if you intend to continue posting in this thread, because people are going to stop paying any attention to your posts if you can't provide a calm, rational, and reasonable point of view to argue against. Right now, you're O'Reilly-ing this place up something fierce.

My argument from the start was against the fetish-like attachment to meaningless numbers that are conferred liberally without actually accomplishing anything.

No, your argument is that you don't see any value in numbers, therefore no one else is allowed to, or else they're a child or psychotic. You've made that incredibly clear in your posting thus far. And I repeat: that's an arrogant point of view. There's no other word for it, because you're ignoring everyone else's points as the irrational ramblings of a psychopath, and presuming that you (and only you) know what is right and good in this discussion. That's arrogance, plain and simple.

My argument, by comparison, is that if you're actually buying things that you have no emotional attachment to, then you're wasting your money. The whole point of ownership is having an attachment to what you own. It's not "irrational", "crazy", or "unhealthy" to have an attachment to something you own. And video game stats are part of that ownership for many people who play video games. There are people who get mad when they make a mistake or are doing poorly in a video game (which implies they have some emotional attachment), so naturally, something much more severe (like losing saved data) is going to provoke a much more heated reaction. Losing your car keys may make you nervous, but losing your car is likely to provoke a more dynamic response.

And anyone who pretends they "don't really care" about their save data is fooling no one but themselves. You're saying that if I logged into all of your game accounts right now and deleted all of your data right in front of you, you're telling me you wouldn't even be slightly angry? Sorry, but I don't believe you, because that would mean you exist at a level of detachment that isn't possible for most human beings. As I said before to another person who thought as you did: everyone says they wouldn't care, but nobody actually thinks that way. And most ordinary people who poured a lot of time into a game to get to the final boss are going to try and stop me if I try to delete their saved game. Don't pretend you'd behave otherwise, because no one here believes you.

Many in this thread have pointed this out, and you're continuing to ignore them, so I'm inclined to offer you the same courtesy. Come back when you're willing to discuss this topic like an adult, and not before.

CrossLOPER:
Playing video games does not require anywhere as much investment or bring any return as those things you mentioned. There are competitions out there where people actually earn money playing games and work hard to get there, but that is completely different than grinding stats. What you are doing is essentially killing time. It is not on the level where it benefits you in any way. No one is going to praise you for spending nine years playing WoW. You will attract nothing but pity and contempt.

The spirit of an accomplishment is having bettered yourself and/or others around you in some way. Anything below that indicates severely degenerated standards.

An accomplishment requires heavy investment? It requires benefit?

Whether or not something is an accomplishment is not dependent on how hard it was or what it accomplished. It is also not dependent on whether you get paid for it or if other people praise you. All that matters is that a goal was achieved, then it qualifies as an accomplishment. If it's an accomplishment then people are entitled to have a certain amount of pride in it (how much pride is not for you to decide by the way, it's up to the individual), and they might even become emotionally attached to reminders of that accomplishment like medals, trophies, or written statistics. If these reminders were to be erased it would be perfectly reasonable to be upset at having them gone.

As an example: I have 7 million neopoints. That's a point of pride for me, not much, but still some. I generally rank that accomplishment up there with this one time I hit a bee mid-flight with a pencil, with a single try. I don't spend it, I just hoard it and collect interest everyday, the 7 mil does nothing for me, it's just a number I look at as I habitually collect my interest each day, but I'd be pissed if it was erased.

You see, you don't get to decide what other people consider an accomplishment. You don't get to decide what is considered sufficient investment in an endeavour, you don't get to decide if it resulted in what you consider having bettered something, the people who did the thing and those effected decide. If someone considers having played WoW for 9 years an accomplishment then to him it is. To others it may not be but to him it is, you can give him as much pity or contempt as you wish (although that would be strange since his pride doesn't really effect you in any way so if your a normal person you'll just feel apathy), but pride in accomplishments can be highly subjective. I'm sure there are things you're proud of, things that make you feel happy just remembering, that other people would consider worthless or worse. But they'd be wrong, because if you're proud of it, that's all that should matter to you.

I'm sorry you seem to think a sense of accomplishment should be reserved for great deeds, things you get paid for, or things that have gone through some sort of consensus that "grants" you the "privilege" of feeling happy, but it's not. People can grow attached to the simplest things, that's not wrong, and these scrabble players had their stats, which represented their own little achievements erased for little reason. And that sucks.

CriticKitten:
*indignation intensifies*

OK, first off, yeah I quoted you originally. I'm sorry. It's just that I was assaulted by about five of you at once and all of your arguments sort of ran together. I never actually stated that you were narcissistic or anything like that, but you did suggest I am delusional and suggested I was incapable of emotion.

CriticKitten:
You're saying that if I logged into all of your game accounts right now and deleted all of your data right in front of you, you're telling me you wouldn't even be slightly angry?

Just a concession: I DO keep records. I keep them because I keep records of a lot of things and collecting statistics and histories make me feel hot and bothered. I don't plan on sleeping with my records.

You know why else I keep them? Because developers think it's comical to artificially extend the amount of time I play a game by locking content. I need to keep a save or a config setting so that I won't have to look it up again or waste ten hours playing the Spanish in TW so that I can play the Byzantines.

I guess I would be annoyed, because then I would have to go through the shitty parts of games to get to the good part. It's like reaching into a jar of lampreys for a pack of oreos. So yes, I do put value on them because they allow me to bypass things like that.

Also: You can't have emotional connections with something that does not have emotions.

BlazeRaider:

An accomplishment requires heavy investment? It requires benefit?
...

I'm sorry you seem to think a sense of accomplishment should be reserved for great deeds, things you get paid for, or things that have gone through some sort of consensus that "grants" you the "privilege" of feeling happy, but it's not.

I guess I'm just too hard to please myself.

Eppy (Bored):
My mother plays Facebook Scrabble. This is NOT good. I'm going to have one hell of an angry woman to calm down the next time she gets on the desktop.

Also, seriously, what is this BS about dropping the manual matchmaking feature? Why on earth WOULDN'T you have that? It's an important functionality, how the hell do you control who you play with otherwise?

Since EA's hopeless redesign of facebook Scrabble thousands of users have posted on the Mattel, Scrabble and EA FaceBook pages, only to find themselves blocked without cause. Similarly 1000's have signed petitions and have joined one or more of the groups opposing the changes to Scrabble. EA and Mattel continue to ignore the pleas from Scrabblers to consider returning the much better, faster and more sociable Gamehouse version, Scrabble Worldwide (exc US and Canada) for PC users and to leave the inferior EA version for mobile devices and Apple users.

Please can you help?

As masters of Escaping, I'm sure you'd have some brillant ideas to assist the plight of Facebook Scrabblers, cos' as Eppy (Bored) said... there are many angry women and men, far from calm out there!

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