Xbox One's Policy Reveal, According To Microsoft's Whitten

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Xbox One's Policy Reveal, According To Microsoft's Whitten

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"We love getting feedback from gamers," says Whitten, as the Xbone pulls a 180.

"We love getting feedback from gamers," says Microsoft's Marc Whitten, "My ideal scenario is always that I'm working to build a product they love." But in the wake of the Xbox One's sudden policy reversal, there will be some changes. "What's going to happen is your online games and your physical games will work like they do today," says Whitten, which means Family Sharing is out. You'll also need to keep your physical discs with you when moving from place to place, rather than rely on the digital Games Library, as you'll need the disc to play. However one benefit of this is that, when you take a disc to your friend's Xbox One and play it there, should your friend want to buy the game no download will be required, as the digital heavy lifting will already have been done by the disc.

"There was always going to be a day one update on the console," Whitten confirms, "and that's frankly just a difference in manufacturing schedules versus software schedules." So you'll still need to be online for that crucial first update, but Whitten did say you'll be able to get it via smartphone tethering if need be; a benefit for those whose broadband is less than stellar. While always online - or its near-equivalent, the 24 hour check in - is no longer a thing, games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change. "But that's up to the game experience and sort of how they use those features," says Whitten. The Kinect is still as vital as ever; you'll need to have it in order to play any of your games.

"If you think about the last three or four weeks, this has been our first chance to show our complete platform," Whitten concluded. "We've been listening to the feedback, we've been reading the forums, we've been reading the comments since that time." He's hopeful that the games on offer and the features provided by the new console will be sufficient to get customers exited again for the Xbox One. Whether that's so remains to be seen; we'll find out when the 2013 holiday season rolls around, and the $499 Xbone goes up against the $399 PS4.

Source: IGN

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I like the whole "wants gamers to get excited again about the Xbox One" thing. Their PR and marketing figured out how to do their job.

windlenot:
I like the whole "wants gamers to get excited again about the Xbox One" thing. Their PR and marketing figured out how to do their job.

I suspect that's because up until the reveal, they weren't thinking of the consumers at all. Instead they were trying to impress the shareholders and publishers with how much money they would make if everybody who bought an Xbox 360 bought the XBone.

You'd think after all of the fairly recent gaming "controversies" companies would realise that people will only take so much crap before going to the competitor.

At least they are learning I suppose.

The Kinect is still as vital as ever; you'll need to have it in order to play any of your games.

Annnnnd that's why I still have no interest in the new Xbox. Why does the Kinect have to be mandatory? Why not ship the Kinect with the console but have it be optional? Why stuff it down our throats and say "We know this was a big piece of crap that didn't sell for the current generation, but you're going to use this fucking thing AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT, DAMNIT!"

Part of me wonders if this is all some sort of weird product testing that Microsoft is doing.

Bob: Hey Jim, what should we do if we want to make our new console interesting?

Jim: I know, we can have it use ... The Cloud!

Bob: Won't that require everyone to be online?

Jim: Sure will, Bob. Lets see if that flies with our customers.

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

i feel there gonna include in the Fine Print the fact they cant Turn there Policys Back around Again Anytime they Want

Still not getting it. No matter what you do now, MS, you've lost all trust for this generation.

Translation "We're covering our asses since our PR department sucks at their job and we really wanna avoid bankruptcy and an angry mob of gamers armed with pitchforks and shotguns."

Karloff:
The Kinect is still as vital as ever; you'll need to have it in order to play any of your games.

Hey look, there appears to be a Deal shattered all over the floor...

Karloff:
"If you think about the last three or four weeks, this has been our first chance to show our complete platform," Whitten concluded. "We've been listening to the feedback, we've been reading the forums, we've been reading the comments since that time."

...I wonder what Jago1130 is up to now...?

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I know I've said it somewhere before (and I know others have said it too) but another thing that's gone unchanged is the "we have the right to change our services at any point and for whatever reason" clause. I'm not saying the XBone we saw will end up being the one customers end up with in a year or two or, three but I am saying that the XBone could pull another 180 (by which time it will have become a 360 but a much more restrictive one)

Strange...

I must of been in a alternative world.
I was hearing things from MS like...

... deal with it.

... consumers need to be educated.

... it is a necessary evil.

... it uses the power of the cloud and is only possible with the cloud.

I bet the shareholders got the willies when the outrage from the 'vocal minority' reached the lofty heights of the penthouses, and it didnt help matters that Sony was poking fun at them at E3 with 'instructional videos' on how to trade and borrow physical disk based games on the PS4...

... ahhhhh, THATS the feedback Marc is talking about, now it makes sense... but I didnt know the shareholders were gamers.

the 24 hour check in - is no longer a thing, games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change. "But that's up to the game experience and sort of how they use those features," says Whitten.

this is all I wanted for single player games, a bit of choice. not have the online features forced upon us (although, I might like them if i give them a try) - speaking in general here not specificallt Xbone

No more downloadable games or family sharing eh? This makes me think MS only "changed" it's policy so people could go "oh noes, no more family sharing, please, oh please MS, go back to fucking us with a rusty iron dildo like before" and they could swoop in with all their DRM always-online bullshit and say it was great all along, you stupid, filthy consumers.

Heaven forbid they actually DO implement the few worthwhile online features AND the possibility of a full offline mode.

OT.

What the hell kind of captcha is this? Seriously!

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Legion:

windlenot:
I like the whole "wants gamers to get excited again about the Xbox One" thing. Their PR and marketing figured out how to do their job.

I suspect that's because up until the reveal, they weren't thinking of the consumers at all. Instead they were trying to impress the shareholders and publishers with how much money they would make if everybody who bought an Xbox 360 bought the XBone.

You'd think after all of the fairly recent gaming "controversies" companies would realise that people will only take so much crap before going to the competitor.

At least they are learning I suppose.

Exactly. I'd like to think they learned, but I can't completely believe that. We'll have to see what the Microsoft's future brings to the consumers, as opposed to the publishers.

Before you can make money for your investors and publishers, you still have to get it from the customers first.

Now the gamers have one. They got what they wanted, and thats great. But when i read various sites, some people are happy and will get a xbone now. But mostly people are still moaning, now its moaning about what ifs. What if MS added this DRM etc a few years down the line? Etc etc. Its becoming silly now, like any reason they can moan about, they will moan. Only thing you could moan about is kinect, it needs to always be on but if your not using it will it still need to be in an optimal place in your room? Other than that, im fine with the xbone now....well the 55 game price sucks, but i hope thats just because its new.

SonOfVoorhees:
Now the gamers have one. They got what they wanted, and thats great. But when i read various sites, some people are happy and will get a xbone now. But mostly people are still moaning, now its moaning about what ifs. What if MS added this DRM etc a few years down the line? Etc etc. Its becoming silly now, like any reason they can moan about, they will moan. Only thing you could moan about is kinect, it needs to always be on but if your not using it will it still need to be in an optimal place in your room? Other than that, im fine with the xbone now....well the 55 game price sucks, but i hope thats just because its new.

The concerns are justified. MS said that all this "connected" functionality was something that could NOT be turned off. Now they say "it was our plan to turn it off on Day One all along." Sony praised the PS3's linux functionality, and then later exercised their right to remove it.

MS could just as easily exercise their "right" to flip the DRM switch back to "on." It's clear they cannot be trusted, so why on earth would you trust them? They said "we can't turn it off," and "it's the future." Now they say "we planned to turn it off all along."

Yes, there are some that will acting MS for now other reason than it being en vogue, but there are those that will defend MS from criticism that's highly justified.

Shoggoth2588:

...I wonder what Jago1130 is up to now...?

shame he got himself banned, i'd be interested on his stance here

tdylan:

SonOfVoorhees:
Now the gamers have one. They got what they wanted, and thats great. But when i read various sites, some people are happy and will get a xbone now. But mostly people are still moaning, now its moaning about what ifs. What if MS added this DRM etc a few years down the line? Etc etc. Its becoming silly now, like any reason they can moan about, they will moan. Only thing you could moan about is kinect, it needs to always be on but if your not using it will it still need to be in an optimal place in your room? Other than that, im fine with the xbone now....well the 55 game price sucks, but i hope thats just because its new.

The concerns are justified. MS said that all this "connected" functionality was something that could NOT be turned off. Now they say "it was our plan to turn it off on Day One all along." Sony praised the PS3's linux functionality, and then later exercised their right to remove it.

MS could just as easily exercise their "right" to flip the DRM switch back to "on." It's clear they cannot be trusted, so why on earth would you trust them? They said "we can't turn it off," and "it's the future." Now they say "we planned to turn it off all along."

Yes, there are some that will acting MS for now other reason than it being en vogue, but there are those that will defend MS from criticism that's highly justified.

With the xbone 6 months till release, its really not hard to believe they can change this stuff now. Its not like they are changing it mid release like PS3 with its backward compatibility. I really dont think they could just decided to add DRM, that would give people the reason to sue them for it. Its a major change that goes against the product you bought. An of course they well say "we cant turn it off" they are selling their product. Why would they say they could turn it off? End of the day the console is 6 months a way and they can still tweak it all they want until they start production.

But yes, i agree. There is a small chance that they could switch it back. The techs all their to make it able to. I guess its a risk. I guess you either trust them or not. But even Sony could do the same thing in the future. But to be honest, i doubt either company will.

lol My capture said Swan Song. So maybe that means im wrong. :-)

Wait since when did they care about what gamers think? They only give a fuck when the media at large starts telling everyone how shit their policies are.

Mr Ink 5000:

Shoggoth2588:

...I wonder what Jago1130 is up to now...?

shame he got himself banned, i'd be interested on his stance here

Jago1130 got banned?

Huh.

As for this recent announcement, this is all I've read.

Microsoft Spokeman:
Backpedal, You guys suck I'm taking my ball with me, Backpedal, Oh gods the rage is leaving the internet and normal people are taking notice! Backpedal, and even more Backpedal.

Mandatory kinect is still a deal breaker, but i wouldn't trust MS to keep this promise anyway - there is nothing stopping them changing their mind mid way through the generation and reversing it. It also sounds like some games will require always online anyway, because thats the way they were made.

SonOfVoorhees:
With the xbone 6 months till release, its really not hard to believe they can change this stuff now. Its not like they are changing it mid release like PS3 with its backward compatibility. I really dont think they could just decided to add DRM, that would give people the reason to sue them for it. Its a major change that goes against the product you bought. An of course they well say "we cant turn it off" they are selling their product. Why would they say they could turn it off? End of the day the console is 6 months a way and they can still tweak it all they want until they start production.

But yes, i agree. There is a small chance that they could switch it back. The techs all their to make it able to. I guess its a risk. I guess you either trust them or not. But even Sony could do the same thing in the future. But to be honest, i doubt either company will.

lol My capture said Swan Song. So maybe that means im wrong. :-)

I don't feel that the "6 months til release" argument holds water. If they really had "all that time" to make changes, they could make them beforehand so that the console doesn't require a "day one update." The "day one update" says to me that everything's already written in stone, and patching it is the only way they can remove it.

Also, if they can undo it with an update, they can restore it with an update. Sure, you won't have to download the update that restores it, but they can simply make the update mandatory for playing online, or using any of the functionality outside of single player. "If you don't want a brick, you'll update."

Mr Ink 5000:

the 24 hour check in - is no longer a thing, games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change. "But that's up to the game experience and sort of how they use those features," says Whitten.

this is all I wanted for single player games, a bit of choice. not have the online features forced upon us (although, I might like them if i give them a try) - speaking in general here not specificallt Xbone

Then you might want to wait and see how this plays out. There is still the whole "cloud processing" situation looming ahead that could essentially go the SimCity route and basically be a sneaky always online DRM hiding in the xbox one.

Getting better Microsoft, now just add a way to disable the Kinect. I don't care if you put in Spaceballs the Game 2: The Search For More Money and it requires you to activate it for the game but I don't want guests in my living room or bedroom being an involuntary Nielson Family.

tdylan:

SonOfVoorhees:
With the xbone 6 months till release, its really not hard to believe they can change this stuff now. Its not like they are changing it mid release like PS3 with its backward compatibility. I really dont think they could just decided to add DRM, that would give people the reason to sue them for it. Its a major change that goes against the product you bought. An of course they well say "we cant turn it off" they are selling their product. Why would they say they could turn it off? End of the day the console is 6 months a way and they can still tweak it all they want until they start production.

But yes, i agree. There is a small chance that they could switch it back. The techs all their to make it able to. I guess its a risk. I guess you either trust them or not. But even Sony could do the same thing in the future. But to be honest, i doubt either company will.

lol My capture said Swan Song. So maybe that means im wrong. :-)

I don't feel that the "6 months til release" argument holds water. If they really had "all that time" to make changes, they could make them beforehand so that the console doesn't require a "day one update." The "day one update" says to me that everything's already written in stone, and patching it is the only way they can remove it.

Also, if they can undo it with an update, they can restore it with an update. Sure, you won't have to download the update that restores it, but they can simply make the update mandatory for playing online, or using any of the functionality outside of single player. "If you don't want a brick, you'll update."

I would argue, until its release date and the goods are on the shelf. MS can do whatever they want with the Xbone until it goes to final production. They are selling a product, they are not going to contradict themselves are they? They will say "this is what it is" because they cant say "this is what it is, though their are changes that may or may not happen". Software can be changed easily. Its not an issue to MS. End of the day, if they lied, then they will face major gamer wrath in the future.

I am just curious, did any of the game at the show even use Kinect? I think they have a new kinect sports, but besides that I didn't see one game that even incorporated kinect elements. Yes, the kinect is still as vital as ever, because navigating a menu is so much more difficult than trying to get Kinect to bring up the correct video sharing, tv, movie, whatever feature.

SonOfVoorhees:

With the xbone 6 months till release, its really not hard to believe they can change this stuff now. Its not like they are changing it mid release like PS3 with its backward compatibility. I really dont think they could just decided to add DRM, that would give people the reason to sue them for it. Its a major change that goes against the product you bought. An of course they well say "we cant turn it off" they are selling their product. Why would they say they could turn it off? End of the day the console is 6 months a way and they can still tweak it all they want until they start production.

The notion that this DRM was something that they couldn't turn off at-will was always absurd.

The primary DRM on a modern console exists to prevent anyone except the console manufacturer from updating the OS. Otherwise, the console is just a computer. If Microsoft wants to turn DRM on or off with an OS update, there's nothing to stop them from a technical standpoint.

Of course, they can't turn the DRM back on for consoles that aren't connected to get updates. So if they do turn it back on, they'll just be risking people not updating their consoles or buying new games anymore to avoid having their system locked into DRM.

Wonder how the defenders are going to react to this? I mean, they can say "Hey! Xbone doesn't Suck!" for real this time, but they REALLY went out of their way to defend a product that even M$ gave up on in the end.

No purchase from me still, I'd rather give my money to the company that's supporting the indie devs properly than making them jump through hoops or charging them money

GAunderrated:

Mr Ink 5000:

the 24 hour check in - is no longer a thing, games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change. "But that's up to the game experience and sort of how they use those features," says Whitten.

this is all I wanted for single player games, a bit of choice. not have the online features forced upon us (although, I might like them if i give them a try) - speaking in general here not specificallt Xbone

Then you might want to wait and see how this plays out. There is still the whole "cloud processing" situation looming ahead that could essentially go the SimCity route and basically be a sneaky always online DRM hiding in the xbox one.

well I'm predominently don't buy pre-order/day one. especially where so much money is involved I like to see how things work out beyond hype. plus i'm predominently a PC gamer

BloodSquirrel:

SonOfVoorhees:

With the xbone 6 months till release, its really not hard to believe they can change this stuff now. Its not like they are changing it mid release like PS3 with its backward compatibility. I really dont think they could just decided to add DRM, that would give people the reason to sue them for it. Its a major change that goes against the product you bought. An of course they well say "we cant turn it off" they are selling their product. Why would they say they could turn it off? End of the day the console is 6 months a way and they can still tweak it all they want until they start production.

The notion that this DRM was something that they couldn't turn off at-will was always absurd.

The primary DRM on a modern console exists to prevent anyone except the console manufacturer from updating the OS. Otherwise, the console is just a computer. If Microsoft wants to turn DRM on or off with an OS update, there's nothing to stop them from a technical standpoint.

Of course, they can't turn the DRM back on for consoles that aren't connected to get updates. So if they do turn it back on, they'll just be risking people not updating their consoles or buying new games anymore to avoid having their system locked into DRM.

I agree, they are quickly changing major things. DRM, used gaming etc. That is changing a lot of stuff. Major choices they made as a company. They turned if off, but i agree the tech is still there. They havnt binned it. I guess im giving them the benefit of the doubt. They could turn it all on, but i dont think they would. I think you buy a product based on its ability, if they change that stuff then its not the product you bought. So MS will be sued, mostly cos of the internet issues etc. Would be like buying a kettle and 2 months later they say "Nope, no more hot water, only lukewarm water". It totally destroys the reason the product was bought for.

So yeah, they could turn it all on. But people were moaning cos there is DRM. Now they are moaning cos MS may turn the DRM on maybe. Im not saying your fears are not justified, just that people are moaning whatever MS does. Hell, even Sony could add DRM in the future. But know one is on SOnys case on what they may hypothetically do in the future.

Colt47:
They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Karloff:
"While always online - or its near-equivalent, the 24 hour check in - is no longer a thing, games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change. "But that's up to the game experience and sort of how they use those features,"

Considering the admission that Forza will require you to be online in some form or another anyway I'm willing to bet that all the X1's 1st party exclusives will have some feature that will require it.

It's hard for me to read this without thinking:

"We love getting feedback from gamers," Microsoft's Marc Whitten said through bared teeth as he ground a rock into powder between white-knuckled fingers.

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