Pachter: Why Would Anyone Buy A Wii U?

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Pachter: Why Would Anyone Buy A Wii U?

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Nintendo waited two years too long to release a competitive console, Michael Pachter thinks.

"I think by the time [Nintendo] did launch a console which stacks up really well," said Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter to ABC News 10, "the other two guys [Sony and Microsoft] passed them by, and I think they're in a world of trouble right now." Waiting two years too long to launch a competitive console has cost Nintendo. Pachter's no fan of Nintendo's marketing strategy right now, and thinks Nintendo has a mountain of work to do before it's anything other than a distant third in the console race.

Pachter's not the only one to be filled with Wii U negativity; EA recently said it wasn't about to support a console that doesn't have a big audience. However these debates tend not to trouble the mainstream audience, which doesn't care who does what to whom in the gaming world. Except this time Pachter's telling the ABC News audience - the definition of mainstream - that "I don't think they're going to get that mojo back" and "why would anyone buy a Wii U" when there's a PS4 on offer for just $50 more than Nintendo's console. That's got to hurt.

"If Activision pulls support; if you see Ubisoft, you see Take-Two pull support," Pachter concludes, "the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is the way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985." That won't sell many more consoles, and console sales are what Nintendo desperately needs.

Source: Nintendo Life

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The 3DS has functionally zero third party support and is doing amazing. Something tells me however it goes, Nintendo will manage. They could potentially carve out a nice little niche for themselves for Nintendo-only titles, some Japanese ports and indie releases.

This guy has been predicting doom for Nintendo for years, he's never really been right before.

I'd buy a Wii-U before I'd buy either of the other 2. For what that's worth.

At least they are doing something different. It might be they are content with their niche.

Scorpions sting themselves to death when surrounded by fire. I guess that would be my cue when all consoles share the same library of military shooters, EA sport games and yearly sandbox crap.

So how many times now has Pachter predicted doom and gloom for Nintendo?

I have the distinct feeling they will outlive him easily.

I want it for Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem...

I will get other things too but...come on, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem...

Also, does anyone really pay attention to what Pachter says about Nintendo? He seems to think Nintendo will fall any day now...

xdiesp:
At least they are doing something different. It might be they are content with their niche.

Scorpions sting themselves to death when surrounded by fire. I guess that would be my cue when all consoles share the same library of military shooters, EA sport games and yearly sandbox crap.

As business I can almost guarantee they are not content with their niche, you always want to grow.
But I don't think it's all doom and gloom for Nintendo.

Unfortunately, as pointed out in the OP, when he tells ABC news, people who don't know how completely crap patcher's predictions are hear the news and start changing their plans for christmas purchases.

I can think of one or two good reasons
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I will buy one as soon as they have more software I'm interested in. I bought a 3DS as soon as it had 5 games I was interested in. I just bought a Vita because it's software library will be up to my expectation this summer and I got it for cheap on Ebay (though I did not take into account how much fun it would be to play my favorite PS1 games on, so it's well beyond my software library expectations at this point because it's more fun to play them on that than my PS3). Analysts are funny. They have the same chances of predicting things as anyone else, but they have access to more data than the average user so they have more clout. But interestingly enough, no analysts ever predict anything outside the mathematical curve for luck... so good luck Pachter, that is all you have really.

At the moment, he kinda has a fair point.

Give it a few months though, there'll be a few games at least that would make a Wii U purchase worth it. Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Sonic: Lost World, etc.

I bought it for one reason, I skipped the Wii and the Wii-u is BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE. Now I can play two generations of games on one console (withought having to pay for a digital download), something I think it's competition fails to look at.

Has this man ever not predicted the doom of something, I bet you right now he's at home predicting the end of Waffles. Anyway When the WiiU has more games on it then it'll pick up. Although if nintendo release another console in the same way they did this one then they'll be in a heap of trouble.

To play Wii U games?

I mean, Nintendo have got more exclusives coming out the second half this year than any other company. To list them: Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker HD, Sonic Lost World, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Game And Wario, and Mario 3D World.

Aside from G&W which has had a somewhat mixed reception, there's a very strong chance that all those games are going to be great games. They're all being made by developers with proven track records, and for the most part are expanding on game franchises with proven quality. Yes, even Sonic Lost World. The last few Sonic games have been steller, and Lost World looks to be taking that up a notch.

Then there's the 2014 games Nintendo have been showing, including X, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros, and Mario Kart, as well as Yarn Yoshi and SMTxFire Emblem somewhere along the line.

That's thirteen reasons to own a Wii U right there. Thirteen exclusives that won't be appearing on other consoles. Sure, PS4 and Xbone will have their own games, but thus far they haven't announced as many exclusives as what the Wii U has on offer. And that will count for something when it comes to holiday sales.

Tazzman:
Has this man ever not predicted the doom of something, I bet you right now he's at home predicting the end of Waffles. Anyway When the WiiU has more games on it then it'll pick up. Although if nintendo release another console in the same way they did this one then they'll be in a heap of trouble.

He's pretty good at predicting the ends of sentences. His signature is putting a little dot where he thinks. they end So far I've yet to master that art .

Sure Nintendo has really dropped the ball with the WiiU but it's the only next gen console I plan on buying for the moment, the upcoming E3 titles are more to my tastes than most of the titles Sony or MS showed.

I actually agree with him. Nintendo should actually just go the way of Sega and license games. Saying that, I do miss Sega, Dreamcast being one of my favourite consoles. Just wish that Nintendo would stop trying to be the "cool non-conformist hipster kid with the iMac" and bring some real competition to the table.

Well, people by Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. For the most part third party doesnt factor into their sales, Metroid the next, Zelda and Mario 147 will sell the consoles well enough.

I wouldn't call it dead on arrival, but I do think it will have a hard time next to the PS4.

I am fairly confident that the WiiU is going to curbstomp the Xbone though.

CriticalMiss:

Tazzman:
Has this man ever not predicted the doom of something, I bet you right now he's at home predicting the end of Waffles. Anyway When the WiiU has more games on it then it'll pick up. Although if nintendo release another console in the same way they did this one then they'll be in a heap of trouble.

He's pretty good at predicting the ends of sentences. His signature is putting a little dot where he thinks. they end So far I've yet to master that art

By god you're. right the man is a genius how could. I ever doubt him haa

The problem isn't so much that the Wii U doesn't/won't have good games for it, but Nintendo had to prove that it wasn't like the Wii where you could play the good games at the exclusion of playing every other game released this console generation and they've still utterly failed at that. They actually didn't need brilliant games like Zombie U, what they need is lots and lots of announcements about how all the games that are coming out for the other consoles are going to be coming out for the Wii U too. People are already worried that the hardware is going to make that impossible a few years down the road and they've got a proven track record of failing. They needed to really push that angle and focus all their PR on it, but they too quickly settled back into the tactic of relying on their first-party titles being good enough that people are willing to not be able to play any other games to get them.

Jumwa:
The 3DS has functionally zero third party support and is doing amazing. Something tells me however it goes, Nintendo will manage. They could potentially carve out a nice little niche for themselves for Nintendo-only titles, some Japanese ports and indie releases.

This guy has been predicting doom for Nintendo for years, he's never really been right before.

I do believe it will survive (and may even end up doing well) but the big difference between the 3DS and the Wii U is this. The 3DS has better third-party support than it's competitor, so buying a 3DS gets you basically all the good new handheld releases, whereas in a best case scenario a Wii U is locking you out of a ton of good games at the moment.

TrevHead:
Sure Nintendo has really dropped the ball with the WiiU but it's the only next gen console I plan on buying for the moment, the upcoming E3 titles are more to my tastes than most of the titles Sony or MS showed.

I think its more of a question of what parents of children are worried about.

Chances are they didn't watch or care about E3 footage, and I've seen maybe a couple Nintendo game commercials telling me what is coming out for the WiiU. Parents probably have little to no idea when the U is going to get more/enough games and people like Pratcher are highlighting why the console isn't doing so great on major news stations. The easy answer is to spend 50 more bucks for a console that people claim will have an advantage of more games, and hope that the sheer volume of games will guarantee a relatively long lifetime.

Whats worse for nintento is that many parents already do have a wii, and many that hear about upcoming titles are going to be saying "Already got mario kart, already got smash bros, already got mario world, already got kirby, already got..." and so on and so forth. I work in an office with a few families, most of whom own a wii, and not a single one care that the wiiU exists.

Can we pleeease stop putting this fucking idiot in gaming news? He literally hasn't been right about a single thing hes forecasted in 3 goddamn years!!!

DVS BSTrD:
I can think of one or two good reasons

Haha, is that it.... really? Surely someone can come up with a better reason?

Anyways, I think Nintendo will sell well enough. Bottom line is, enough people will buy simply for 1st party Nintendo franchises.

They won't likely be as successful as the other companies, but they'll be successful enough to make a profit.

Funny how the Wii U is the only one I'm set on buying at the moment, huh? Just needs Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD and the new Smash Bros. for me.

The Xbone lost my money ages ago, and I'm unsure if I'll even NEED a PS4.

So...Wii U it is.

DVS BSTrD:
I can think of one or two good reasons
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Don't forget how the best thing to come out of E3 came from... Nintendo Direct.

About the only console exclusive that has me excited.

DVS BSTrD:
I can think of one or two good reasons
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Four if you count the ones in the background.
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but yeah, I'm waiting for Bayonetta 2 as well.

I agree, but not for the same reason as Pachter.

It's more because there's not much reason to get a Wii U over the 3DS.

BrotherRool:

I do believe it will survive (and may even end up doing well) but the big difference between the 3DS and the Wii U is this. The 3DS has better third-party support than it's competitor, so buying a 3DS gets you basically all the good new handheld releases, whereas in a best case scenario a Wii U is locking you out of a ton of good games at the moment.

The 3DS is competing against iOS and Android devices that number in absurdity.

It has more games than the Vita, for sure, though neither handheld has much in the way of third party support. The only third party games that the 3DS has been getting lately are a few niche Japanese titles from Atlus and the like.

So yeah, the situation is different, no two situations are alike.

Honestly, I don't have a great deal of confidence in the big console business as it's going. These teams with hundreds of designers, spending absurd amounts of money to create games that will require cross-platform blockbuster status to earn back their investment. Consoles themselves being so expensive, with monthly fees for online gaming while mostly only offering the same cross-platform experiences.

I think it's the kind of situation where a lower-budget (with no subsequent fees) console like the WiiU can fill a niche successfully if Nintendo plays it well.

He's comparing the Wii U to the NES? Really?

The NES was a clear success. Now if he wanted to insult the Wii U he should have compared it to the GameCube.

Isn't this the same guy who predicted that Nintendo would be software only by now because the Wii would be a flop?Or that the PSP would destroy the DS in sales?I think it's pretty clear that this dude has been just making shit up for years.The real question should be

"Why the fuck does anyone actually listen to anything Michael Pachter says anymore?"

Just look at this statement

"If Activision pulls support; if you see Ubisoft, you see Take-Two pull support," Pachter concludes, "the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is the way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985."

What the fuck is he talking about?The NES had fantastic 3rd party support.Nintendo would be delighted if the Wii U had the same level of 3rd party games

If I'm brutally honest: The Wii U is the only console (aside from the 3DS) that has any appeal to me. Not very much since it still lack that 'killer app' but the exclusives look at least interesting and not like "ah, another FPS with shitty controls" or simply "game that may be interesting but looks to bland to give a fuck about".

Aside that, why do game news still care what Pachter has to say? It is the same person who in 2012 said that no one has a PC as powerful as the PS3. He yelled that MS is going to win next gen even before the XBoner was announced. He showed that he has next to no fucking clue and that asking random schmuck in a decent gaming forum results in a better prediction than asking him.

I dunno but one good reason could be out of the 3 "game consoles" it's the only one that's primarily a game console and not some service gateway attempting to take over the living room.

Nintendo consoles are mainly for those that love the Nintendo 1st party titles.....everything else released is a bonus for them.

Stupid question here, and I am honestly not trying to be snarky, but how often is Pachter actually right in his predictions? I just ask because I see his name pop up a lot, but it always seems to be in weird controversial ways. Do his predictions ever actually pan out? Can we see the logic and historical path to them? How does one become a highly quoted video games analyst?

Terramax:

DVS BSTrD:
I can think of one or two good reasons

Haha, is that it.... really? Surely someone can come up with a better reason?

The original Bayonetta was widely regarded as one of the greatest hack-and-slash/spectacle fighters ever made, with many putting it above even the likes of Devil May Cry 3. How is the sequel being exclusive not a reason to pick up the console? Check out the trailer man, there's batshit stuff in the works...

RatherDull:
I agree, but not for the same reason as Pachter.

It's more because there's not much reason to get a Wii U over the 3DS.

X? Bayonetta 2? Pikmin 3? Wonderful 101? Mario 3D World? The Wii U's getting plenty of exclusives that the 3DS hasn't got.

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