Lone Ranger Goes Boom! To Tune Of $150 Million Loss

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 NEXT
 

CriticalMiss:

synobal:
Also Pirates of the Caribbean 5? I've still not watched 2, 3, and 4!

Don't waste your time. But if you want to experience the sequels then just watch the first film another 4 times and burn a couple of fivers afterwards.

Lone Ranger looked kind of crap and on top of that suffers from white-itis. A Native American played by a white guy. That's probably nothing new in Hollywood, but you'd think they could at least have tried. I guess they just needed more star power to rake in some cash from Depp fans.

And does it really cost $175 million to market a film? That's more than half of the budget to actually make it!

The marketing side also includes the distribution of the physical film reels which is probably 4+ reels for each copy of film to 7000+ screens worldwide since most aren't digital yet.

Darth Sea Bass:
Let's hope everyone was saving their money for Pacific Rim!

I know I am...

Also, never, never, NEVER, trust something that looks good on paper. Paper liesssss...

Karloff:
Lone Ranger Goes Boom! To Tune Of $150 Million Loss

image

"Everything was perfect on paper," says Disney exec.

Source: Hollywood Reporter

Permalink

You're movie was bad, and you should feel bad. "Everything was perfect on papar." Really? You idiots at Disney have to learn that there is no mathematical formula for success. You can't: Jerry Bruckheimer + Depp + Supernatural story = blockbuster. Audiences don't work that way, and as long as you continue to mass produce crap, or create another Pirates wannabe, you'll continue to fail. That's what happened with John Carter, that's what happened with Prince of Persia, and now it's happening with The Lone Ranger. I hope you go bankrupt Disney, though that will never happen, or that you start investing in STORY driven films again. The writers are out there Disney, just go into a starbucks and pick out like ten or fifteen of them.

I didn't know it was a movie until I saw the Escape to the Movies about it. Good to know a bad movie did terrible at the box office.

To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Well one of the reasons no one can name any is that there are very rarely rolls for them, Tanto was an obvious roll for one but instead we get mr stupid had playing him. If mr stupid hat wanted to be in the movie he should have just been the lone ranger or a villian. Having an actual native american play Tanto might not have saved the movie but it wouldn't have hurt it as much as Depp obviously did.

Lovely Mixture:
I saw it coming. But I didn't want it to fail.

I don't like cash-in reboots, but the movie looked cool enough......I mean it couldn't be worse than At World's End right?

Iunno...they're both bad movies, but I think Lone Ranger wins out here. I think "Simon Pegg playing Simon Pegg in yet another Simon Pegg movie" (or is it Nick Frost? Can't tell between the two) is the lesser evil when compared with a Movie that thought Racebending was a good idea.

Worgen:

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Well one of the reasons no one can name any is that there are very rarely rolls for them, Tanto was an obvious roll for one but instead we get mr stupid had playing him. If mr stupid hat wanted to be in the movie he should have just been the lone ranger or a villian. Having an actual native american play Tanto might not have saved the movie but it wouldn't have hurt it as much as Depp obviously did.

So in other words, no, there aren't any famous Native American actors, so making a Summer blockbuster where both leads are nobodies --I've never heard of Armie Hammer before this-- would have guaranteed a financial bomb; not that it changed anything in the end anyway.

The reason Johnny Depp was in this was most likely as a large bargaining chip for Bruckheimer to throw on the table in front of Disney; given that their PotC team-up has made them a damn fortune.

Also, when did it become cool to start hating Johnny Depp? He's a talented man and, from what I've read, also a jolly nice chap, is this that thing where we just hate success, again?

Man, this was an even worse idea than the 1981 Lone Ranger movie. At least that one had an actual Native American playing Tonto

The problem is, with most companies... is that when a movie or genre is so successful- that they try to revolve more ideas and even the style around said movie. Though it sounded well on paper, playing it out shall never have the same results you want it to have even if it managers to do good.

For example, I could write down on my paper right now "For Christmas, buy my girlfriend a soft puppy plushie". I could imagine how it would roll out, I could go find the exact right plushie which I personally feel suits her that could cost a lot of money (let's go with $300). It's a huge puppy plushie and I finally get it to go for Christmas thus give her the gift. Now the problem here is... she wanted a real puppy but I gave her an oversize plushie which won't even fit on her bed. You could probably see what's the problem here.

Producers, movie makers, directors ... they feel what's worked shall work again because of past results. But people will want the better deal, the real deal... what they did with Lone Ranger feels like a movie that way to much money was invested in, and tried making Johnny Depp work again. But it shall not especially when the thing is outdated. The example I gave above was suppose to be that even if something works for the majority of the time, it can still go horribly wrong with how you play it out.

rob_simple:

Worgen:

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Well one of the reasons no one can name any is that there are very rarely rolls for them, Tanto was an obvious roll for one but instead we get mr stupid had playing him. If mr stupid hat wanted to be in the movie he should have just been the lone ranger or a villian. Having an actual native american play Tanto might not have saved the movie but it wouldn't have hurt it as much as Depp obviously did.

So in other words, no, there aren't any famous Native American actors, so making a Summer blockbuster where both leads are nobodies --I've never heard of Armie Hammer before this-- would have guaranteed a financial bomb; not that it changed anything in the end anyway.

The reason Johnny Depp was in this was most likely as a large bargaining chip for Bruckheimer to throw on the table in front of Disney; given that their PotC team-up has made them a damn fortune.

Also, when did it become cool to start hating Johnny Depp? He's a talented man and, from what I've read, also a jolly nice chap, is this that thing where we just hate success, again?

Well considering that the movie seems to be a rather large bomb, they might have been better off just going with no names that allowed them to build a story, instead of a star vehicle.

I actually have no illwill towards Depp, I haven't actually seen a movie with him in it in a very long time. But, given the ads for his recent movies, they really seem to be mostly about him. Like, its a Johnny Depp movie, with all these other people.

Oopsie.

Quick redaction and word to the wise for everybody making the same mistake I did:

Tonto - the Lone Ranger's sidekick
tanto - a knife

That is all.

--Morology!

Dude, 250 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET

God damn...god DAMN....

This is more than Transformers: Revenge of the fallen. And while you could say the movie turned out like ****, the audience WAS clearly there and it did make its money back in spades.

This is just wow. How inept do you have to be to fund a niche concept like this so much?

Chessrook44:
When they said "Everything looked perfect on paper" I was left thinking of this clip...

That was awesome - thanks for sharing.

SonOfVoorhees:

aPod:
*Rabble Rabble* YA! Having Depp play an indian, super rascist! *Rabble Rabble*

Come on now people, it wasn't racism that got Depp the role, it was Depp being Depp that got him that role. Should an actual indian gotten the role? I'd say so, but lets go easy with the knee-jerk reaction to call it white-washing. If some nobody played that role, maybe, but that's Johnny Depp.

This is the problem with the world, it only works for white actors, never any other. Look at Idris playing the part of a norse god in Thor. The black actor in Kane and Lynch playing the character that was a white red neck. The black actor in Dare Devil who played Kingpin, who is white in the comics.

They always say the best actor got the role, fair enough. But this whole "white washing" thing only seems to count when its a white actor playing another character of colour. But it never seems to be the case when its the other way round.

As for Depp, totally sick of him now in movies. We need new actors to be given a chance in these big budget movies. An atleast the companies would not be paying $20 million just for the actor.

It's hard to draw parallels to Idris Elba as a Norse god. They specifically changed the character to be a black guy, if they used Idris and then decided to make him white with make up then you get into the same uncomfortable territory that the Lone Ranger occupies.

KnowYourOnion:

SonOfVoorhees:

aPod:
*Rabble Rabble* YA! Having Depp play an indian, super rascist! *Rabble Rabble*

Come on now people, it wasn't racism that got Depp the role, it was Depp being Depp that got him that role. Should an actual indian gotten the role? I'd say so, but lets go easy with the knee-jerk reaction to call it white-washing. If some nobody played that role, maybe, but that's Johnny Depp.

This is the problem with the world, it only works for white actors, never any other. Look at Idris playing the part of a norse god in Thor. The black actor in Kane and Lynch playing the character that was a white red neck. The black actor in Dare Devil who played Kingpin, who is white in the comics.

They always say the best actor got the role, fair enough. But this whole "white washing" thing only seems to count when its a white actor playing another character of colour. But it never seems to be the case when its the other way round.

As for Depp, totally sick of him now in movies. We need new actors to be given a chance in these big budget movies. An atleast the companies would not be paying $20 million just for the actor.

It's hard to draw parallels to Idris Elba as a Norse god. They specifically changed the character to be a black guy, if they used Idris and then decided to make him white with make up then you get into the same uncomfortable territory that the Lone Ranger occupies.

Add to the fact that Idris Rlba pretty much owned every scene he was in, and they didn't cast him because of the colour of his skin.

Yeah, pretty bad parallel then. Elba is a fine example of why skin shouldn't matter. And the same goes for Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, go check out the directors cut of Daredevil for what the movie should have been like.

People are probably getting sick of Johnny Depp playing Jack Sparrow in every movie he's in.

It just comes down to putting so much money into special effects and setting, but not dealing with making a good story. The same problem the triple A game companies are seeing. More work in making it look good than in making the final product enjoyable. Playing by the numbers alone isn't enough. Research can say whatever you want it to say. Still don't disappointed in the lack luster returns. Moreso their estimated returns.

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Maybe cast a household name as the whiteguy then? I mean Arnie Hammer, really? Why not cast Depp as the Lone Ranger if they wanted him in this so bad? They can't say he was wrong for the part because well look at the part they did give him

And yeah people are getting bent out of shape because it's really racist. I mean if they'd re-written the character to be a white guy it'd be less bad, simple whitewashing but this is the equivalent of Native American black face. Take 21, yeah people got upset because they got a story about Asian students but replaced them with a bucnh of white guys. Bad yeah, but it'd be much much worse if they had taped their eyes back and spoke in Engrish throughout the whole movie. Which is basically what this movie did.

Really if you're not ok with this:
image

Then you should not be ok with Lone Ranger. And if you are ok with the above, then yeah you're probably a racist who will never understand.

Spot1990:

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Maybe cast a household name as the whiteguy then? I mean Arnie Hammer, really? Why not cast Depp as the Lone Ranger if they wanted him in this so bad? They can't say he was wrong for the part because well look at the part they did give him

And yeah people are getting bent out of shape because it's really racist. I mean if they'd re-written the character to be a white guy it'd be less bad, simple whitewashing but this is the equivalent of Native American black face. Take 21, yeah people got upset because they got a story about Asian students but replaced them with a bucnh of white guys. Bad yeah, but it'd be much much worse if they had taped their eyes back and spoke in Engrish throughout the whole movie. Which is basically what this movie did.

Really if you're not ok with this:
image

Then you should not be ok with Lone Ranger. And if you are ok with the above, then yeah you're probably a racist who will never understand.

...Okay, let's take a deep breath and then point out all the ways you are over-reacting.

Is Alan Rickman a racist for playing Hans Gruber?
Is Gerard Butler a racist for playing King Leonidas?
Is Mel Gibson a racist for portraying William Wallace? (Note: Specifically William Wallace, disregarding all the other crazy shit he gets up to.)

None of those men carry the heritage of those they are playing, so why is that not racist? Is it only when skin colour becomes involved that it's considered offensive to portray someone else's nationality? Or is it just called fucking acting?

Given that Depp has claimed in the past to have Cherokee ancestry --which I'm inclined to believe, based on his facial structure, slightly tanned skin, dark hair & eyes-- it's absolutely nothing like blackface; also ignoring that blackface was performed at a time when black people had next to no rights whatsoever and was openly mocking them. If you honestly can't see the difference then you're probably a kneejerk reactionist who will never understand.

Here's the thing that annoys me the most about this: if Hollywood made a film where a an American actor of Chinese descent played a character of Japanese descent nobody would give two shits, but because Johnny Depp is noticeably different to a pure-blooded Native American people are up in arms.

So let's examine your other alternative: changing Tonto to be a white guy. Well, in that case, why not also make the Lone Ranger a knight of King Arthur's court and set the whole fucking film in Bosnia in the year 2030? How about in the next Batman film, instead of Robin as his sidekick, Batman has a black investment banker, called Chad?

Now that we've put that to one side, I will say it again: find me this rich stable of Native American actors who would have fitted the bill, and who were eschewed in favour of Depp, and then you will have a fraction of a point. Until then this has sod all to do with racism.

It's 2013, and nobody, nobody, gives a shit about 'Cowboys & Indians' anymore, except perhaps for the people who have nothing better to do with their time then loathe the entertainment of yesteryear.

If the producers had seriously wanted their best possible chance to make this a success on the same level as the original Pirates Of The Caribbean movie, both intellectually & financially mind you, then they ought to have started by hiring a more charismatic leading man to play the titular Ranger. Then they should have immediately tossed Johnny Depp overboard. Then they could have replaced him with the near whitest, but still visually recognizably Native American, who could be found while combing through last year's firefighters calenders. The rest pretty much writes itself. Make the action sequences spectacular, but still keep it family friendly. Bonus squealing fan-girls would be awarded and extra ticket sales generated if they can succeed at making either the Lone Ranger or Tonto ambiguously bisexual but still manage to safely navigate that fact over the heads of the younger audience members.

Reheat the leftovers, add additional filler then serve over 2-3 increasingly thin, insipid & stupid sequels. The end.

rob_simple:

Spot1990:

rob_simple:
To all the people outraged/upset/crying racism over Depp getting the role: just how many big Native American actors are there that could have fit the role, instead?

I know that will reek of ignorance, but the only Native Americans I have ever seen in films are usually old blokes and, from what I understand, even some of them are actually Hawaiian or something because it's that difficult to find good NA actors.

Is there really an actor as talented as Depp who would have been a sure thing for a solid performance? Or are we, once again, getting all bent out of shape for the sake of it?

OT: This is a shame, I was looking forward to seeing the film.

Maybe cast a household name as the whiteguy then? I mean Arnie Hammer, really? Why not cast Depp as the Lone Ranger if they wanted him in this so bad? They can't say he was wrong for the part because well look at the part they did give him

And yeah people are getting bent out of shape because it's really racist. I mean if they'd re-written the character to be a white guy it'd be less bad, simple whitewashing but this is the equivalent of Native American black face. Take 21, yeah people got upset because they got a story about Asian students but replaced them with a bucnh of white guys. Bad yeah, but it'd be much much worse if they had taped their eyes back and spoke in Engrish throughout the whole movie. Which is basically what this movie did.

Really if you're not ok with this:
image

Then you should not be ok with Lone Ranger. And if you are ok with the above, then yeah you're probably a racist who will never understand.

...Okay, let's take a deep breath and then point out all the ways you are over-reacting.

Is Alan Rickman a racist for playing Hans Gruber?
Is Gerard Butler a racist for playing King Leonidas?
Is Mel Gibson a racist for portraying William Wallace? (Note: Specifically William Wallace, disregarding all the other crazy shit he gets up to.)

None of those men carry the heritage of those they are playing, so why is that not racist? Is it only when skin colour becomes involved that it's considered offensive to portray someone else's nationality? Or is it just called fucking acting?

Given that Depp has claimed in the past to have Cherokee ancestry --which I'm inclined to believe, based on his facial structure, slightly tanned skin, dark hair & eyes-- it's absolutely nothing like blackface; also ignoring that blackface was performed at a time when black people had next to no rights whatsoever and was openly mocking them. If you honestly can't see the difference then you're probably a kneejerk reactionist who will never understand.

Here's the thing that annoys me the most about this: if Hollywood made a film where a an American actor of Chinese descent played a character of Japanese descent nobody would give two shits, but because Johnny Depp is noticeably different to a pure-blooded Native American people are up in arms.

So let's examine your other alternative: changing Tonto to be a white guy. Well, in that case, why not also make the Lone Ranger a knight of King Arthur's court and set the whole fucking film in Bosnia in the year 2030? How about in the next Batman film, instead of Robin as his sidekick, Batman has a black investment banker, called Chad?

Now that we've put that to one side, I will say it again: find me this rich stable of Native American actors who would have fitted the bill, and who were eschewed in favour of Depp, and then you will have a fraction of a point. Until then this has sod all to do with racism.

just like to point out the show "Longmire" is able to find native americans to play the native american roles on the show...
also
http://www.imdb.com/list/2eje60Y5XLk/
http://www.nativecelebs.com/
http://pinterest.com/lana1024/native-american-actors-models-etc/

those lists are from a few minutes on google, if they couldn't find a native american actor that means they didnt look.
if they wanted depp like spot said why not cast him as the ranger and get a lesser known actor for tonto. Or is the guy who did play the ranger some big name actor i never heard of before?

luckshot:

just like to point out the show "Longmire" is able to find native americans to play the native american roles on the show...
also
http://www.imdb.com/list/2eje60Y5XLk/
http://www.nativecelebs.com/
http://pinterest.com/lana1024/native-american-actors-models-etc/

those lists are from a few minutes on google, if they couldn't find a native american actor that means they didnt look.
if they wanted depp like spot said why not cast him as the ranger and get a lesser known actor for tonto. Or is the guy who did play the ranger some big name actor i never heard of before?

Haha, did you happen to notice that Johnny Depp is in that IMDB list?

The problem is that the "paper" was a cocktail napkin upon which was scribbled "(Old Intellectual Property + Hype) x retread of Jack Sparrow + advertising at Subway = BONZO BUX". Seriously, that is the ONLY place I've seen this movie advertised. Left out as per usual were considerations such as release timing, story, a likeable lead actor, respect for the actual original franchise, etc.

As badly as the movie's bombed, maybe it's for the best that an authentic Native American didn't get the Tonto role. Depp can just bounce off of this with little personal impact (probably), but to have some up-and-coming new actor's career saddled with this mess would've been awful.

rasputin0009:

SonOfVoorhees:

aPod:
*Rabble Rabble* YA! Having Depp play an indian, super rascist! *Rabble Rabble*

Come on now people, it wasn't racism that got Depp the role, it was Depp being Depp that got him that role. Should an actual indian gotten the role? I'd say so, but lets go easy with the knee-jerk reaction to call it white-washing. If some nobody played that role, maybe, but that's Johnny Depp.

This is the problem with the world, it only works for white actors, never any other. Look at Idris playing the part of a norse god in Thor. The black actor in Kane and Lynch playing the character that was a white red neck. The black actor in Dare Devil who played Kingpin, who is white in the comics.

They always say the best actor got the role, fair enough. But this whole "white washing" thing only seems to count when its a white actor playing another character of colour. But it never seems to be the case when its the other way round.

As for Depp, totally sick of him now in movies. We need new actors to be given a chance in these big budget movies. An atleast the companies would not be paying $20 million just for the actor.

Because no-names sell movies... right... Anybody remember the actor's name from John Connor?

Which John Connor? I don't remember who played him in T3, but Salvation was Christian Bale and 2 was Edward Furlong. *research* OK, it was Nick Stahl in T3. Who was also the Yellow Bastard in Sin City.

As for this...yeah, I'm not surprised it was a loss, with a budget that big. I mean, 250 million dollars for a summer blockbuster is insane, unless you have a great need for special effects and need a large budget for it (see: Transformers). Something like this, though? Even if the movie was a decent summer blockbuster, it still would have lost money just because of an out of control budget.

What exactly was this marketing campaign aimed towards? Because I had literally not heard of this movie until today.

Now that is not super crazy as I don't own a television, but still. I heard about Pacific Rim a good year ago. New Chronicles Of Riddick coming up has been giving me nerd-semi's for about a year and a half now.
And I love Depp, though I'm not at all pleased he took such a racist role upon himself. I'd ask if it was really that bad, but it's Hollywood, so you just know it is.

Oh well, another one to wait for at the bargain bin.

(Seriously though, you guys, Riddick! YAY!)

SonOfVoorhees:

aPod:
*Rabble Rabble* YA! Having Depp play an indian, super rascist! *Rabble Rabble*

Come on now people, it wasn't racism that got Depp the role, it was Depp being Depp that got him that role. Should an actual indian gotten the role? I'd say so, but lets go easy with the knee-jerk reaction to call it white-washing. If some nobody played that role, maybe, but that's Johnny Depp.

This is the problem with the world, it only works for white actors, never any other. Look at Idris playing the part of a norse god in Thor. The black actor in Kane and Lynch playing the character that was a white red neck. The black actor in Dare Devil who played Kingpin, who is white in the comics.

They always say the best actor got the role, fair enough. But this whole "white washing" thing only seems to count when its a white actor playing another character of colour. But it never seems to be the case when its the other way round.

But there's a very clear difference there, because we have a long history of white actors assuming the roles of minority characters. Popular use of blackface really wasn't that long ago. Hell, it still happens to some extent. And the issue of whitewashing is rampant. Star Trek, The Lone Ranger, Avatar, Prince of Persia, Drive, Cloud Atlas, The Hunger Games...apparently Jaime Lannister is going to play freaking Horus in an upcoming film. These are (nearly) all massive projects which decided for minority erasure in key parts. Significant parts that are rarely an option for actors of colour to begin with.
The opposite development isn't so much the flip-side of the same coin (it's not even faintly as widespread to begin with) as it is popular media beginning to catch up with the times. The implications of such casting are entirely different. Inclusion rather than exclusion, if you will.

rob_simple:

luckshot:

just like to point out the show "Longmire" is able to find native americans to play the native american roles on the show...
also
http://www.imdb.com/list/2eje60Y5XLk/
http://www.nativecelebs.com/
http://pinterest.com/lana1024/native-american-actors-models-etc/

those lists are from a few minutes on google, if they couldn't find a native american actor that means they didnt look.
if they wanted depp like spot said why not cast him as the ranger and get a lesser known actor for tonto. Or is the guy who did play the ranger some big name actor i never heard of before?

Haha, did you happen to notice that Johnny Depp is in that IMDB list?

yeah, but i dont make the lists.

he claims cherokee or creek at some point in his past so they include him

luckshot:

rob_simple:

luckshot:

just like to point out the show "Longmire" is able to find native americans to play the native american roles on the show...
also
http://www.imdb.com/list/2eje60Y5XLk/
http://www.nativecelebs.com/
http://pinterest.com/lana1024/native-american-actors-models-etc/

those lists are from a few minutes on google, if they couldn't find a native american actor that means they didnt look.
if they wanted depp like spot said why not cast him as the ranger and get a lesser known actor for tonto. Or is the guy who did play the ranger some big name actor i never heard of before?

Haha, did you happen to notice that Johnny Depp is in that IMDB list?

yeah, but i dont make the lists.

he claims cherokee or creek at some point in his past so they include him

I just found it ironic, is all.

Also, half the actors on that list are either old as fuck or women, so I don't think it's quite the rich vein of raw talent you're possibly making it out to be.

Like I said, as soon as I hear a Native American actor come forth and say he was turned down for the part because he wasn't as famous as Depp I may consider changing my stance; until then I consider him the best of both worlds: Cherokee descent and his name has a lot of star power (although clearly not enough to save this film, it would seem.)

true, on most points rob, especially those lists containing a lot of old and possibly deceased actors. the point was that i was able to find LISTS of actors in a few minutes on a computer, casting depp in the part and no angry natives coming forward seems to imply they never looked.

the problem is they didnt seem to bother trying to find a good actor of native ancestry, or at least one with more evidence then simply saying they are

a similar thing happened with the last air bender, the casting calls were for all white children for the main characters

and as for depps star power, why not as some have suggested give him the star of the ranger rather than the crow hat of the overplayed stereotype?

and personally i would rather have good actors that fit parts that i dont know than an actor i do know miscast

also these rollover ads that sit in the message box are really annoying and keep me from proof reading

I wonder if the people bitching about Johnny Depp playing a "Native American" character are the same people who bitched about Idris Elba playing Heimdall - a Nordic/White character in Thor.

If they are, should we care what they think? Would it might have been a better idea to cast a character of the intended ethnicity? Maybe. Is it a critical factor? No. It's more about the actor.

Stalydan:

Flatfrog:

Chessrook44:
When they said "Everything looked perfect on paper" I was left thinking of this clip...

Whereas I could only think of Brian Clough:

"We had a good team on paper. Unfortunately, the game was played on grass"

This is like the ultimate argument against focus groups. They'll say what they think they should like, not what they actually do.

Life would be so much better if I was in every focus group :)

Man, what an unusual epidemic of old IP mining that they're doing all the time now. But I guess the movie looked alright on paper. Big names in the film, famous IP, modern budget. It falls on the shoulders of directing and writing then.

1. Everything was perfect on paper is probably one of the reasons it tanked. 2. How the fuck is Johnny Depp playing a native American perfect on paper. Some people.

BoogieManFL:
I wonder if the people bitching about Johnny Depp playing a "Native American" character are the same people who bitched about Idris Elba playing Heimdall - a Nordic/White character in Thor.

If they are, should we care what they think? Would it might have been a better idea to cast a character of the intended ethnicity? Maybe. Is it a critical factor? No. It's more about the actor.

I can't speak for all bitches, but for me I don't like characters having their races swapped (especially when they're originally Nordic) and I don't like poor representations, and they're different things. Idris Elba's acting talent/style is not under fire when I say I didn't like him playing Heimdall, it's that Heimdall isn't canonically black. I didn't mind his black Heimdall, but I'd rather Heimdall wasn't black. On the other hand, Johnny Depp did play a Native American character, in the same way actors in Cloud Atlas played characters of other backgrounds, which I have no problem with, but in this case he did a hopeless job and wasn't suited to the role. Make sense?

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here