Petition to Free Jailed League of Legends Player Reaches 100,000 Sigs

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Devoneaux:

Krinkle Ymouse:
So much for freedom of speech if you can be arrested for sarcasm... Way to go US...

I heard the guy's house was searched and they found nothing so they released him. But I guess that source was wrong.

Captcha: tesla coil.

I'm going to place a giant tesla coil in front of the prison he's being held. lol jk.

But seriously, captcha should be arrested.

You know, the people who make comments like this typically don't actually understand the first mmendmant, the laws around it, and what it actually guarantees you. For instance, running into a crowded public space and yelling "BOMB!" would almost certainly bring you jail time.

The first amendment does cover jokes. And this was clearly a joke and not an actual threat.

Jadak:

Thyunda:

Keep calling it a 'stupid mistake' if you like, but what the hell kind of country do you live in where sarcasm is now either terrorism or a stupid mistake? Aw kid you fucked up you said something you clearly didn't mean.
I knew it was sarcasm from the first two words. "Oh yeah." Nobody starts a threat like that, that's just ridiculous. What he said was hardly kid-friendly stuff, but it's a far cry from being a legitimate threat, and if you want to look at it properly, he chose his subject deliberately to further his opponent's insult that he was insane, given the mental problems school-shooters have often been diagnosed with. This wasn't a threat, it wasn't even dark humour, it was somebody deliberately playing up the trope most associated with the mentally unstable in the US specifically to point out how ludicrous the original insult was.

This part I at least understand. Not agree with, but understand. Once it got past the one whiny asshole who reported it in the first place, somewhere, you've got some lawmen who are scared shitless of the scenario that the they ignore a threat that is clearly a joke/sarcasm, that turns out not to be a joke, and then they're stuck feeling horrible and looking like fools while dealing with the backlash if/when it comes out that they dismissed it.

Or the guy getting the call was just as much of an uptight ass as the person reporting the post, either way.

What I doin't understand is the follow up. If they felt the need to investigate, fine. Do your due diligence and leave it alone, where is the logic behind the follow up? Months long imprisonment, huge bail? They're still acting like they found something to support the concept that the threat was a real one, where the fuck is what coming from?

This is just a guess, but it might have to do with the fact that the US justice system is a massive fucking joke. Prosecutors constantly pursue charges against people even when the state has no case, while ignoring cases brought against cops or politicians or other "privileged" folk. And that's just prosecutors. Judges and police officers have their own massive slew of problems, like officers consistently keeping their jobs after *fucking murdering* someone or worse, with no charges to boot.

Add into this private prison corporations and police/prison guard unions that literally get more money from having more prisoners/arrests, and you can see why the US has the largest incarceration rate in the world.

Zachary Amaranth:

Elfgore:
This is a very complicated case for me. He without a doubt, did something incredibly stupid but... does he really deserve eight years in jail for it? Hell after that school shooting in Newtown or whatever that school was called, some kid from a neighboring school said he could do better on facebook and was arrested. He got away with a slap on a wrist from the judge and was expelled from his school. That should be this guys punishment. Give him some community service or something because this kid will be most likely murdered in prison.

What he did is not right and he deserves to be punished, but eight years in jail is to extreme.

Yeah, but the kid lived in CT. This one lives in Texas, where they shoot you for jaywalking.

....But seriously, the kid did something stupid, and deserves to learn words have consequence, but yeah. 8 years in jail is just stupid. 8 months in jail would be stupid.

Community service might actually be on the nose.

Joking about school shootings is covered by the first amendment. It is unconstitutional to even make him do community service.

Elfgore:
This is a very complicated case for me. He without a doubt, did something incredibly stupid but... does he really deserve eight years in jail for it? Hell after that school shooting in Newtown or whatever that school was called, some kid from a neighboring school said he could do better on facebook and was arrested. He got away with a slap on a wrist from the judge and was expelled from his school. That should be this guys punishment. Give him some community service or something because this kid will be most likely murdered in prison.

What he did is not right and he deserves to be punished, but eight years in jail is to extreme.

Why isn't it right?

Jiveturkey124:
Its too bad we live in a society where no one will actually lift a finger to help this kid. I wish we lived in a place where all of us posting on how much we are disgusted by the treatment this kid has faced, about the damages mentally he will have from this stupid imprisonment, could get up and actually go out and voice our opinion and change this kids life.

I don't live in Texas so what can I do aside from sending the DA hatemail?

Father Time:

bdcjacko:
I think I understand where the law is coming from here. They are making an example out of this twat. If he got a reasonable sentence of 6 months in jail and a year probation, no one would talk about it. But by giving him such a harsh sentence it has us talking about what is and isn't acceptable.

Also by threating to shoot up a school and eat the still beating hearts of children is not something to acceptable joke about where anyone can see or hear. If you want to joke about it with your friends, don't got posting it on Facebook. I will not be signing the petition because I think we should punish idiots.

Yes let's all punish people because we think what they said was stupid.

The idea that we should arrest people if they're a threat or actually hurt someone, yeah screw that let's jail people we look down upon.

Edit: By the way if we admit that it is an obvious joke (which it is), then punishing him violates his free speech.

Just FYI, free speech means the freedom to disagree with the government, which we are currently exercising. It does not mean the freedom to threaten to shoot up a school even jokingly.

Zachary Amaranth:
Evidently I am, at least by comparison. For example, I knew that the kid here had been charged. I knew bail had been set. I knew that there were cases analogous to the ones you tried to bring up.

You didn't.

It might behoove you to not try and talk down to me when I'm the one who's taken the time to inform themself.

You're the one who's being condescending. First post aside, for which I acknowledge my mistake, I know exactly what I'm talking about. The mention of threats to the President and how they're dealt with was not 'inadvertent' as you describe, but rather a deliberate and an apt comparison. As for claiming that making this joke on a public internet forum (we need to stop calling it a threat, because it isn't) is equivalent to shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theatre, it just isn't. That's false equivalence. A comment made on a public forum, one that can either be ignored or dismissed as simple GIFT is nowhere near the same as someone screaming 'bomb' at an airport. The former action does not and cannot incite a panic in anywhere near the same way.

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

bdcjacko:
I think I understand where the law is coming from here. They are making an example out of this twat. If he got a reasonable sentence of 6 months in jail and a year probation, no one would talk about it. But by giving him such a harsh sentence it has us talking about what is and isn't acceptable.

Also by threating to shoot up a school and eat the still beating hearts of children is not something to acceptable joke about where anyone can see or hear. If you want to joke about it with your friends, don't got posting it on Facebook. I will not be signing the petition because I think we should punish idiots.

Yes let's all punish people because we think what they said was stupid.

The idea that we should arrest people if they're a threat or actually hurt someone, yeah screw that let's jail people we look down upon.

Edit: By the way if we admit that it is an obvious joke (which it is), then punishing him violates his free speech.

Just FYI, free speech means the freedom to disagree with the government,

Nope.

The first amendment covers certain forms of pornography (including virtual child porn see Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition), it covers racist speech, it covers violent video games (Brown vs. EMA), it covers flag burning (Miller vs. California), it covers offensive speech in general (Miller again). It certainly covers offensive jokes

A3sir:
Glad to see this news, internet petitions of the past have always resulted in change...

It can't hurt. But what would you suggest we do?

No thanks, I only hope they start prosecuting more of them. As for the punishment... well, that's how the law is at this time. So what are you going to do? Pressure the congress?

Father Time:

A3sir:
Glad to see this news, internet petitions of the past have always resulted in change...

It can't hurt. But what would you suggest we do?

Armed opposition against the tyrannical King(s).

Kamille Bidan:

*irrelevant*

As for claiming that making this joke on a public internet forum (we need to stop calling it a threat, because it isn't) is equivalent to shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theatre, it just isn't.

Hahha, it kind of is, and it is as illegal (if there is no actual fire).

oh boy...
don't you just love it when the USA prove time and time again that they lost to terrorism (terror, -is, masc.: fear; and afraid the land of the free (lol?) certainly is).
"America, fuck yeah!"

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

Yes let's all punish people because we think what they said was stupid.

The idea that we should arrest people if they're a threat or actually hurt someone, yeah screw that let's jail people we look down upon.

Edit: By the way if we admit that it is an obvious joke (which it is), then punishing him violates his free speech.

Just FYI, free speech means the freedom to disagree with the government,

Nope.

The first amendment covers certain forms of pornography (including virtual child porn see Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition), it covers racist speech, it covers violent video games (Brown vs. EMA), it covers flag burning (Miller vs. California), it covers offensive speech in general (Miller again). It certainly covers offensive jokes

But not threats. This is comparable to a bomb threat. Those are crimes, not free speech.

Sarge034:

ZforZissou:
What you just wrote here is supremely fucked up. He gets to be punished, his life ruined, because of someone else's reaction to something he said? No, no, of course intent doesn't matter. It made ME feel uncomfortable. Fuck him, and fuck his life, I didn't like that thing he said.

It is not about whether or not I liked what he said. It comes down to the point that he made a threat against a school and someone felt threatened by it.

It's incredibly obvious that it was sarcastic and not an actual threat (you can tell by the still beating heart comment amongst other things).

He deserved NO jail time (and the abuse that brought), or even a slap on the wrist. His parents should probably have been contacted, so they could possibly have a talk with him about his sense of humor or the way he acts publicly, or whatever. But we are WELL beyond the pale, here. This is just the next in a long line of outrages and government overreach.

The law is the law. What if they let this guy off and the next guy makes a similar comment followed by "LOL, JK", they let him off and then he actually follows through? [/quote]

I'd say 99 times out of 100 when someone makes a sarcastic threat they aren't actually going to do it. So a sarcastic non-threat isn't exactly evidence they are going to carry it out. They should do nothing in all cases

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Just FYI, free speech means the freedom to disagree with the government,

Nope.

The first amendment covers certain forms of pornography (including virtual child porn see Ashcroft vs. Free Speech Coalition), it covers racist speech, it covers violent video games (Brown vs. EMA), it covers flag burning (Miller vs. California), it covers offensive speech in general (Miller again). It certainly covers offensive jokes

But not threats. This is comparable to a bomb threat. Those are crimes, not free speech.

It is not comparable to a bomb threat, nobody shoots up schools and then tears out their still beating hearts.

chikusho:
'Murica, Land of the Free my ass.

This is is rapidly turning into something reminiscent of the Salem witch trials.

There is no longer such a thing as "innocent until proven guilty".

A. This is a couple counties in Texas not the federal government.
B. The kid has not had a trial yet. In the U.S. if you don't pay bail you stay in jail until the trial. It's very possible he'll be found innocent when he gets a trial.

somonels:
No thanks, I only hope they start prosecuting more of them. As for the punishment... well, that's how the law is at this time. So what are you going to do? Pressure the congress?

Father Time:

A3sir:
Glad to see this news, internet petitions of the past have always resulted in change...

It can't hurt. But what would you suggest we do?

Armed opposition against the tyrannical King(s).

Watch out, I believe some here think that's criminal talk.

Flatfrog:

somonels:
No thanks, I only hope they start prosecuting more of them. As for the punishment... well, that's how the law is at this time. So what are you going to do? Pressure the congress?

Father Time:

It can't hurt. But what would you suggest we do?

Armed opposition against the tyrannical King(s).

Watch out, I believe some here think that's criminal talk.

Guantanamo, here I come. Prepare the nasal food tubes. Once you are force fed, you can't go back. #lazy

Father Time:

It is not comparable to a bomb threat, nobody shoots up schools and then tears out their still beating hearts.

Someone messed up in the head would. I don't know what you don't understand about how threatening schools is not funny.

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

It is not comparable to a bomb threat, nobody shoots up schools and then tears out their still beating hearts.

Someone messed up in the head would. I don't know what you don't understand about how threatening schools is not funny.

To me it's so obviously sarcastic that you can take it as a joke.

Jamieson 90:

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin.

Ooh goody, an opportunity to post this:

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The fact that he was imprisoned for only making a dumb statement on Facebook makes me want to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still-beating hearts.

I'll see you in eight years everyone.

The terrorists win!

Yuuki:
This basically means terrorism won as far as America is concerned. The point of terrorism is to spread mass fear, paranoia and panic, right? Well, it's done. It worked.

This is fear of school shootings and it wouldn't be the first time prosecutors have overreacted to something.

emeraldrafael:
I dont think he needed an 8 year sentence, but he did need something for that completely dumbass comment. you cant just say jk or lol after something like that in the recent events of newtown and the boston bombing and think thats alright.

Freedom of speech doesn't change with recent events. A joke is a joke (however distasteful) regardless of what's in the news. Nobody should be punished in the legal sense for a joke.

Thyunda:
There was a guy jailed for Facebook comments over here in England a couple of years ago. He continually left abusive messages on a tribute page for a dead girl and harassed her family over a long period of time. I don't think his punishment was as severe as this.

He hasn't even gone to trial, he may jut be found innocent.

Unfortunately, no amount of signatures are going to help this man get out of jail. The American justice system has him and they need to process him.

When he is released, hopefully he'll learn that he cannot just say what he wants within the land of the free.

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

It is not comparable to a bomb threat, nobody shoots up schools and then tears out their still beating hearts.

Someone messed up in the head would. I don't know what you don't understand about how threatening schools is not funny.

To me it's so obviously sarcastic that you can take it as a joke.

Well glancing at your forum health meter shows how much you obviously understand what the majority of people find funny.

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Someone messed up in the head would. I don't know what you don't understand about how threatening schools is not funny.

To me it's so obviously sarcastic that you can take it as a joke.

Well glancing at your forum health meter shows how much you obviously understand what the majority of people find funny.

The vast majority of the people in this very thread think it's sarcastic and if that's not enough we can make a new thread with a poll.

I'd propose a bet on the results but I'm not sure if gambling is allowed here.

Vladimir Stamenov:
Here's an Indiegogo campaign to get money to free him. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-free-justin-carter-from-his-unfair-10-yr-sentence

I thought his parents already set up a donate link to help him make bail.

Flatfrog:

Jamieson 90:

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin.

Ooh goody, an opportunity to post this:

image

The wording is in essential liberty, i,e, there has to be a balance and a measured and appropriate response to the threat, for example more people die from guns, car accidents and smoking than people do from Terrorism, and a more effective way of reducing the threat of terrorism would be a foreign policy that takes it into account, rather than us all quickly speeding towards what may very well be something similar to 1984.

gibboss28:
War on terror is over guys. Terrorists won, gg no re.

There aren't enough words to describe how dumb this entire situation is.

Yuuki:
This basically means terrorism won as far as America is concerned. The point of terrorism is to spread mass fear, paranoia and panic, right? Well, it's done. It worked.

Regardless of whether the kid goes free or not, his life is fucked. Completely and absolutely ruined.
He's got enough negative press to the point that nobody will be willing to employ him when he grows up, the criminal accusation is going to stay...he might even be kicked out of school on grounds of the school not wanting him around.

Oh for god's sake. A Texas county gets overzealous and suddenly the terrorists have won? He'll probably be found innocent anyway.

Besides it doesn't help their cause too much

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

To me it's so obviously sarcastic that you can take it as a joke.

Well glancing at your forum health meter shows how much you obviously understand what the majority of people find funny.

The vast majority of the people in this very thread think it's sarcastic and if that's not enough we can make a new thread with a poll.

I'd propose a bet on the results but I'm not sure if gambling is allowed here.

The vast majority of the people in this thread are not an accurate sampling of he average American. So your poll is moot.

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Well glancing at your forum health meter shows how much you obviously understand what the majority of people find funny.

The vast majority of the people in this very thread think it's sarcastic and if that's not enough we can make a new thread with a poll.

I'd propose a bet on the results but I'm not sure if gambling is allowed here.

The vast majority of the people in this thread are not an accurate sampling of he average American. So your poll is moot.

Well then that also means you can't use my forum health meter.

Besides telling offensive jokes isn't the only way to get moderation here. Just directly insult people

The stupid hurts mah braenz! 'Merica ladies and gentlemen! Land of The Free! Except lol jk not really >.<

I don't even get why people are saying he should get a fine or something instead. When was making a really bad sarcastic joke on Facebook a crime in any stretch of the imagination? Yeah I get that people are fucking crazy paranoid about school shootings over there sadly enough but the guy has no guns in the house for one. How old is he again? Who took this anywhere near seriously? Eating hearts isn't the biggest giveaway that it's a joke for you?

It's especially nonsensical for me over across the pond because making sarcastic quips and ripping the living piss out of other people (and ourselves) is a national pastime over in the UK...

Phrozenflame500:
So we're jailing kids now for saying sarcastic comments on the internet?

Damn, the terrorists really did win in the end.

This post nailed it.

We've spent so much time focusing on blowing up their countries for no good reason that we've casually ignored the violation of our civil liberties until it was too late to do anything about it.

This is a very, very sad situation.

Father Time:

bdcjacko:

Father Time:

The vast majority of the people in this very thread think it's sarcastic and if that's not enough we can make a new thread with a poll.

I'd propose a bet on the results but I'm not sure if gambling is allowed here.

The vast majority of the people in this thread are not an accurate sampling of he average American. So your poll is moot.

Well then that also means you can't use my forum health meter.

Besides telling offensive jokes isn't the only way to get moderation here. Just directly insult people

I can use your forum health meter to judge your attitude, it is a direct 1 to 1. The forum demographics on the other hand do not reflect to the American or Texan demographics, so they can not be compared.

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