Petition to Free Jailed League of Legends Player Reaches 100,000 Sigs

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Caiphus:

I think the two of you could do with being a lot less sarcastic. Myself and fletch argued past each other due to it for half a page.

I don't think we actually know who the woman is who contacted the police in this example. Have we been given that information? Aside from the fact that she was Canadian, I don't think we have anything. Which is probably safe, frankly.

In any case, the comment was dumb. I think in hindsight a few people, myself included briefly, got angry with the woman who phoned the police because, in hindsight, it turned to shit.
But that's not her problem. There are plenty of older people who, frankly, are terrified of school shootings. It's still not her fault that the police went nuts. She didn't need to turn into a psychic to figure out if the kid was being sarcastic. She might not even know what "jk" means. Right?

You've written a page on how to detect that the kid was joking. I think we can also determine that he was joking by the fact that he didn't have any weapons in his house, but whatever. It's difficult to shoot up a school without guns and weapon training. Two points:

1)The police get a decent amount of shit after every actual school shooting. There's usually an inquiry into "Should the police have known?". Right? So they have to be careful on that point. Even after the Boston Bombing they had an inquiry into whether the police should have done something about the terrorists earlier, after Russia contacted the US about them.

2)Like fletch said to me, and it gets caught up in the sarcasm so we need to cut it out:
For the police to actually read the comment, they need to investigate. I was confused by this point when fletch pointed it out, I didn't consider reading the comment to count as investigating, but he is right.
They're the ones who need to figure out if the kid is joking. If they can't be sure (and to be fair, the comment is fairly ruthless), then they visit the kid or phone his parents/school:

"Miss Carter, sorry to disturb. We've received a complaint about your son. Is he home at the moment? We would like to send a constable around to talk to him."
(At this point you can probably figure out that I'm not super familiar with policework).
And then after twenty minutes of talking to the kid they should have figured out that he wasn't a psychopath. And with no weapons, that's really it. Case closed. "Don't do it again, son."

You can do ALL that and not even get remotely close to threatening to imprison the kid, for 8 years or at all.

And despite your essay about the intricacies of his facebook post, I wouldn't blame someone for getting scared from reading it, nor would you blame the police for investigating. To us, it might be obvious. In hindsight it's clearly obvious. The kid's a regular nerd. It SHOULD be obvious to the police now. I have no idea what they're going to say in court.

"No your honour, we have no evidence on how he was going to put his plan into action. No, your honour, just one facebook post. Yes, your honour, he did write how he was going to eat their hearts. Err, 'jk' means 'just kidding', colloquially, your honour."

So yeah. It's absurd.

TL;DR: You can't blame the woman for phoning the police. Chances are, she was scared by school shootings. It's not her fault that the police force in the kid's jurisdiction are fucking off their rocker.
You also wouldn't really get angry with a police force for starting a brief investigation, for the two main points above:
They cop tons of shit if the kid actually goes nuts and they knew about it beforehand.
They actually have to investigate, if you want to call it that, to figure out if he's joking.

I never said I blame the woman, though it's clear she acted irrationally and foolishly hindsight nothing I could never take such a statement seriously even without the jk. What I took issue with that he said her actions were the right thing when they were they were misinformed and influenced by hysteria. Sorry I don't see that as good reason for any actions. It's like the crazy man who thinks the neighbors are out to get him and constantly harasses the police about it. There is no substance to her claim just panic. Also, again, the "investigation" should have been about 5 minutes go on facebook, see comment, laugh move on with life. Investigation is kind of a grandiose term for that but I don't really feel like nitpicking definitions. If the police don't have people familiar enough with the internet to know the basic ins and outs of internet speech then that is a massive failing on their part in a digital age. It should never have reached the kids door step.

How sad is it that I was able to get this story mixed up with a DIFFERENT jailed pro LoL player?

To be honest he has every right to make jokes like that even if they aren't in good taste. Paranoia is going too far, especially when it's dealing with kids. Those concerned about school shootings need to work on modifying the environment that causes them rather than going after any kind of violent behavior or expression.

That said, situations like this tend to be somewhat loaded because we do not know the entire story. For the most part law enforcement cannot reveal what information they have or uncovered to the media. Active investigations are usually kept under tight wraps, and the facts they have tend to only be revealed during trial. This does not however apply to the other side of most criminal cases, meaning that outraged mothers and such who might have no idea what the police have actually got and go QQ to the media and rally tons of support and put pressure on the process when it might be entirely misplaced.

I say this because right now all we know is that the police didn't immediately search his living quarters. We do not know what he said to the police during questioning. We do not know what they might have found in remotely accessed E-mail (which might not even require his computer) or what was said on Facebook. We do not know if the police found and searched storage areas he might have had outside of his house.

To put things into hypothetical context if the kid was found to be planning a massacre with the info on the internet somewhere, and the police say raided a collection of guns and pipe bombs the kid was storing in a locker at a bus station, bowling alley, or whatever else, you might not ever hear about that since the police aren't generally going to tell the media unless the media finds out on it's own.

We do not know what the police have here, and to be honest if the prosecution is pushing the case and 8 years is the deal they are willing to offer on a plea, I think they have more than we're hearing. The authorities aren't going to push a case over a stupid internet joke that will cost them tons of money and then get thrown out by a Jury of his peers most of who would probably go "WTF, right to free speech and all that, why are we wasting time on something so stupid?".

The kid getting beat up in prison tends to make me think that there was something bad going on here too. Inmates tend to have their ways of finding out why people are in prison, and what they are accused of, no matter how secret they might try and keep it. Inmates also don't generally like people who do things to kids. It makes me think that he was probably planning on doing something for real, and that there is enough tangible evidence where the prosecution is confidant enough to bring the case before a jury.

That's my thoughts at any rate. I won't be signing this guy's petition. As far as I'm concerned he'll have his day in court, and if it's reported on, I'll give my opinion based on what the prosecution reveals. If this is about nothing more than stupid internet comments the kid should not only go free, but launch a huge law suit. Heck, by that logic they should arrest me for talking about mass murder due to some of my angry political rants. If they have some serious stuff on him though... well, I probably won't be very sympathetic, and just looking at this it seems to me that there is a lot going on here that we aren't seeing.

Wait, so...

joking about murdering someone or someones - 8 years.
Actually murdering someone - 10 years.
Robbing a bank and not murdering anyone - 20 years.

Hmmmm. That's actually pretty inspiring to think about!

Hahahahahaha! Oh the land of the free indeed! With cases like this it is rather clear that U.S. is more close People's republic of China in terms of personal freedom than any western European countries. Oh you poor sods who have to live there. My sympathies.

Yeah, guy was idiot for making a statement like that on facebook, but putting him in jail for 8 years for it? Oh america, you so crazy. And they wonder why U.S. economy is in the toilet, with half of the working age population living in prison with goverment money taxed from the other half.

NinjaNikki:
This is complicated for me as well. He posted a statement on Facebook saying that he's crazy and go shooting people at a school. And then a woman read it and took it way too seriously and actually found out where he lives and reported him. He deserves to be punished for doing something incredibly stupid, but eight years in jail is not the kind of punishment he deserves.

By what moronic standard does he need to be punished? Ever played an online game? The tone is much harder than sarcasm. People who think this statement was in any way inappropriate need to go to the asylum instead.

Me: " Oh wow, 100,000 signatures, impressive!"
(Reads article, see's that it's an internet petition)
Me: "... Nevermind."

Seriously, when has an internet petition ever been effective ,especially on something as large-scale as this?

Elfgore:
This is a very complicated case for me. He without a doubt, did something incredibly stupid but... does he really deserve eight years in jail for it? Hell after that school shooting in Newtown or whatever that school was called, some kid from a neighboring school said he could do better on facebook and was arrested. He got away with a slap on a wrist from the judge and was expelled from his school. That should be this guys punishment. Give him some community service or something because this kid will be most likely murdered in prison.

What he did is not right and he deserves to be punished, but eight years in jail is to extreme.

It was a bad joke, but quite obviously a joke. You shouldn't be able to hand down a freaking legal sentence for bad humour.

Wow... gotta love our country.. giving harsh punishments for nothing and small slaps on the wrist for actual crimes. Our country is run by morons.

So it looks like some anon Samaritan posted his bail.. all 500K of it. Becha it was Gates.

I haven't been following this case closely and quite frankly it may have been answered already but the comment in question, was it posted on his page or on some form of community page like a LoL page? I'm honestly curious whether that makes a difference in the matter. To me if someone wrote on his facebook page and he responded there I can't see the big deal, yes it's a stupid comment but isn't 99% of facebook made up of stupid comments and photos of food?

Now if it were on a public page such as a Loy page...maybe I can see the harm...maybe but still not really. Make the punishment fit the crime? Give the kid a slap on the wrist and tell him not to be a dumb ass again but are people seriously saying he deserves to rot with the murders and the rapists of the world? A lot of people have suggested community service or a fine but I still think that's ab unjust punishment. To paraphrase this weeks extra punctuation the justice system should be about victim compensation first, I see no victims here apart from someone finding a comment distasteful.

chikusho:

I guess you have a good point. The overabundance of information is both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, people should know what injustices are being committed on a daily basis. On the other, once you see them stack up mile high it's easy to become apathetic and bitter.

I think you just described me. >.>

Actually, I'm just bitter.

Allot of people saying he shouldn't be able to say things like "shoot up a school" on facebook. Yes yes you should be able to. Its call liberty, I assume most people are familiar with the term?

songnar:
Wait, so...

joking about murdering someone or someones - 8 years.
Actually murdering someone - 10 years.
Robbing a bank and not murdering anyone - 20 years.

Hmmmm. That's actually pretty inspiring to think about!

I see a pattern. Joking about robbing a bank, but not actually doing it - Life sentence.

Let me start by saying that was a really stupid and tasteless thing to say.

However this is the sort of thing that warrants a fine or community service at the most. People saying things like "we should make an example of this kid" (potentially ruining his life and/or driving him to suicide) don't seem to understand that this sort of thing makes the "Justice System" a contradiction in terms.

8 YEARS?! People who have actually committed crimes get less than this. I just...really, really wish this whole thing is some Onion article actually taken seriously. Otherwise 'murica is right on par with countries like China on the human rights scale.

I state a different opinion and the whole thread loses their minds!
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I am 100% glad he got arrested. Perhaps 8 years is severe, but I think stupid kids like this need a gods-damned wake up call. You make rape threats, shooting threats, etc and expect to get off scot-free? Hah! Just because its the internet, doesn't mean it's all some big joke and nothing matters.

You're talking to real people. If this kid had flown off the bat and said it IRL to someone in school, he'd have been taken deadly seriously because this sort of thing CAN happen. All of you saying he's "innocent" or "harmless" have no idea the ramifications of what you're saying.

So someone makes threats on the internet, scoffs as a joke, and gets arrested only for people to go "SORRY JUST KIDDING HE WAS JOKING" and then it's suddenly all-fucking-right?

No, it isn't. And the sooner you learn that "sorry jk" isn't a get out of jail free card, the better.

Hiroshi Mishima:
The times a bit too much, but the idea is good

Great... Just glad you don't get to vote where I live. We seem to be doing just fine without jailing people like this.

I signed, it was all because of a dumb fear mentality and lack of context and should never have happened, can we jail the woman who phoned him in instead, she's clearly more of a public menace then anyone else in this story. And yes a joke is a joke, tasteless it may be to some of you nothing is sacred and lets not get into the habit of snatching people up for what they say , k?

Freedom of speech and innocent until proven guilty, pick one and argue that, the fact that so many people want him locked away sickens me to no end.

Even though I found the whole idea of making a terrorist threat specifically aimed toward a school stupid in itself, the reaction that occurred in response was blown way out of proportion, and it just makes the US justice system, MY justice system, look extremely incompetent as a result.

I find the recent events at Sandy Hook and Boston important, yeah, and I did want some kind of response to ensure that something like that doesn't happen again, but this is ridiculous. It's not even like a police state; it's just the authorities flailing wildly at anything that might constitute a mild threat in order to calm an erratic mass. It just makes everyone look stupid in the end.

Nice to see the guy getting some attention. With hope, he'll be released and some people will try to calm down the public. This is just embarrassing.

I wonder if it would get the message across that their overreaction caused more damage than good if the kid ended up committing suicide.

Edit- all the people saying you need to be jailed for obviously sarcastic comments on the internet disturbs me. Just because you're not allowed to state your plan on the internet doesn't mean a person's not going to still do it. Jeezus people.

Sarge034:

sagitel:
i don't know about you, but if i was a terrorist(which im not. please don't call the cops) i wouldn't go on the Facebook telling the world how im going to go and shoot down a bunch of kids in a school and eat their hearts. this is plain stupid. its the same as telling the gun salesman you are there to buy guns to kill people. and while terrorists are fucked up in the head they aren't THAT stupid.

>One, terrorists do use social media to communicate.

>Two, there is a difference between being a terrorist and making terroristic threats.

>Three, we must take every threat, made jokingly or not, as being dead serious or it will be the same story over and over again. "Yea we got warnings, but we thought s/he was just joking!" And bunches of dead and wounded kids will be our prize.

1. i never said they didnt

2. i dont know how you read the comment but it was a JOKE! it was made in bad time (like joking about your uncle dying right after you grandma died) but it. is. a. FUCKING. JOKE!

3. ok then. if that is the case then all of us should be arrested. which one of us didnt in our lives at least once threatened to kill somebody? i know i did threat many people. many times.

I mean, this is fucking America we're talking about. A country where the right to own lethal weapons is practically a religion to some people. And they're worrying about some guy saying some crappy joke on Facebook? Jesus wept.

Yes, owning firearms is engrained into our culture because we had to fight an oppressive tyrannical monarchy for freedom once. The monarch kept the people disarmed to pacify them. Our founders made it so arms would never again be an issue if we had to once again raise up in revolution. This guy talked about killing kids in a school. I'm sure Jesus would have wept more if it had actually happened.

im sorry dude but after this i couldn't take your post seriously

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Phrozenflame500:
So we're jailing kids now for saying sarcastic comments on the internet?

Damn, the terrorists really did win in the end.

This. I can't believe that in a country that prides itself on freedom of speech, that this shit could happen. It was a JOKE, I can't even believe that people on this website are saying he should be punished at all! It was a joke, don't like it? Don't laugh. It scares the shit out of me that in the western world this shit can occur.

This is retarded. 'Murrica's law enforcement officials should pipe the f*ck down.

Why is everyone in this blasted country so damn scared of terrorists? The number of terrorist attacks per year has never been lower, and you are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer in the US than by a terrorist. Heck you are 35,000 times more likely to die from heart disease than to be killed by a terrorist, but no-one is raiding McDonalds and the like.

When did the USA turn from the land of the free and home of the brave to the home of the paranoid morons scared shitless of nonexistent threats that imprison children for sarcastic comments?

P.S. To all of you who think that the kid deserves a punishment for posting a joke on the internet: YOU JUST KILLED FREE SPEECH! Hope you are all proud of yourselves!

faranar:
This is retarded. 'Murrica's law enforcement officials should pipe the f*ck down.

Why is everyone in this blasted country so damn scared of terrorists? The number of terrorist attacks per year has never been lower, and you are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer in the US than by a terrorist. Heck you are 35,000 times more likely to die from heart disease than to be killed by a terrorist, but no-one is raiding McDonalds and the like.

When did the USA turn from the land of the free and home of the brave to the home of the paranoid morons scared shitless of nonexistent threats that imprison children for sarcastic comments?

P.S. To all of you who think that the kid deserves a punishment for posting a joke on the internet: YOU JUST KILLED FREE SPEECH! Hope you are all proud of yourselves!

Except this isn't what free speech is.

"There are exceptions to these general protections, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising."

The concept of Freedom of Speech was to allow people to speak against the government without fear of being censored or threatened. You cannot go anywhere, or say anything you want and then add "Lol jk" And expect people to treat it like a joke. They won't. What he said was a threat, and although the police may have overreacted, it should have been treated like a threat.

He could have easily said something else, but no, "Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still-beating hearts," this is not acceptable, in any setting. Should the police have investigated more? Yes. Ofcourse. But they aren't to blame, the police did what they had to do to keep the peace, and prevent a possible crime. Nothing more. They didn't do it to try to destroy our rights, they didn't do it because they hate him, they didn't do it because he was a gamer, they didn't do it because whatever reason you can think up. They did it because it could have been real. If he is truly innocent, he will be let go. If they have no evidence that he would do something like this, he will be let go.

And please stop using 'Murica, I don't use the idiots from your country as an example of your country. I would appreciate it if you would show me the same courtesy.

Is there any mention of where the charges of interruption of communications, public transportation, public water, gas, etc., where that comes from? I'm wondering if we aren't getting all of the story from his mom.

The kid is a fucking idiot. Should he be thrown in jail? No. Should he ever be allowed to have internet privileges again? Also no. People have to understand that the topic he made a 'joke' about is serious, and what he said about it was disgusting.

"Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still-beating hearts,"

But at least he said LOL afterwards, because otherwise I would have found that comment to be in very bad taste

sagitel:
1. i never said they didn't

Then what were you trying to say? You said, "i don't know about you, but if i was a terrorist(which im not. please don't call the cops) i wouldn't go on the Facebook telling the world how im going to go and shoot down a bunch of kids in a school and eat their hearts." The implication is that terrorists would not use social media to communicate their threats. At least that is how I read it. Please feel free to clarify.

2. i dont know how you read the comment but it was a JOKE! it was made in bad time (like joking about your uncle dying right after you grandma died) but it. is. a. FUCKING. JOKE!

I read the statement in question and then I read the law to become informed. This statement broke the law. That is how I read it.

3. ok then. if that is the case then all of us should be arrested. which one of us didnt in our lives at least once threatened to kill somebody? i know i did threat many people. many times.

I can only speak for myself, but I have never said anything to that effect. Perhaps it is because I was raised to understand violence of force is a very serious thing and not to be said lightly. I have had to warn people that I will kick their asses if they continue doing what they are doing, and I have had to proceed to kick some of their asses. Never threatened a life before though.

Yes, owning firearms is engrained into our culture because we had to fight an oppressive tyrannical monarchy for freedom once. The monarch kept the people disarmed to pacify them. Our founders made it so arms would never again be an issue if we had to once again raise up in revolution. This guy talked about killing kids in a school. I'm sure Jesus would have wept more if it had actually happened.

im sorry dude but after this i couldn't take your post seriously

Why not? Was it the history lesion, the guy's statement, or Jesus weeping over school shootings?

Sarge034:

sagitel:
1. i never said they didn't

Then what were you trying to say? You said, "i don't know about you, but if i was a terrorist(which im not. please don't call the cops) i wouldn't go on the Facebook telling the world how im going to go and shoot down a bunch of kids in a school and eat their hearts." The implication is that terrorists would not use social media to communicate their threats. At least that is how I read it. Please feel free to clarify.

i meant that while terrorists use social networks they wont go around telling everyone what are their plans and how they are going to do it.correct me if im wrong but i dont think those who did the shootings also went on facebook saying "gonna shoot some kids. wish me luck".

3. ok then. if that is the case then all of us should be arrested. which one of us didnt in our lives at least once threatened to kill somebody? i know i did threat many people. many times.

I can only speak for myself, but I have never said anything to that effect. Perhaps it is because I was raised to understand violence of force is a very serious thing and not to be said lightly. I have had to warn people that I will kick their asses if they continue doing what they are doing, and I have had to proceed to kick some of their asses. Never threatened a life before though.

i find that hardly unlikely but congratulations. you really do know the meaning of a life and a death threat.

Why not? Was it the history lesion, the guy's statement, or Jesus weeping over school shootings?

is this real history? im not informed on USA's history at all. (i just know what are the main events) but is this real?
the founding fathers thought of giving everyone firearms so an oppressive tyrannical monarchy could not easily take over USA is a good idea? and no one after that thought that the threat of an oppressive tyrannical monarchy is over and the should rethink about that? please tell me this isn't the case.

Jesus this is like the Red Scare. One day people will look back on how this ever happened and scratch their heads as to how this was EVER allowed to happen. It's sick paranoia, and whoever jailed the idiot needs to lose their jobs, and be fired from a cannon. Oh shit cannon firing threat, I'm fucked now. Luckily I live in Ireland, where I can't honestly see this flying. In a country as big as America, with so much going on, this has flown under the raydar. It would be national news in a lot of places.
Looks like he was released after a huge amount of donations from supporters. That's good to see, but I would have liked to see the prosecutors manshamed in court by common sense. Oh well, at the end of the day, it's some lad's life.

Sigh... This is why I stopped reading crap on the news... it just makes me angry and sad although not always in that order.

sagitel:

is this real history? im not informed on USA's history at all. (i just know what are the main events) but is this real?
the founding fathers thought of giving everyone firearms so an oppressive tyrannical monarchy could not easily take over USA is a good idea? and no one after that thought that the threat of an oppressive tyrannical monarchy is over and the should rethink about that? please tell me this isn't the case.

As written, the second amendment allows for state militias to both keep the peace and prevent tyranny. The concept of a constitutional right for individuals to have guns when their livelihood isn't dependent on it is actually pretty new. The courts have deemed it not an unlimited right and have allowed the legislature (with federal law superior) to mostly fill that out.

Unfortunately the whole system is really, really, REALLY derping about it.
Did you know that language in the Patriot Act has been preventing the ATFE from having a department head?

Or are you talking about McCarthyism. If so ugh I hate talking about that brand of stupid

If this poor kids ends up killing himself, the government is going to have lot of blood on their hands.
War on terrorism is no longer a threat to America. It is a weapon used by American politicians to control the people. If someone still really thinks America is land of the free, land of the brave - they haven't been in touch with reality for a while.

This is sick... Also, I understand putting him to solitary for hes safety. Ever crossed their minds to send him to minimum security prison? Or house arrest? Because solitary confinement will not help hes depression. Hell even closed ward on psychological hospital would be better, there he would get treatment at least.

Also 8 years, for "crime" that had no effects or even victims.
Hes a nerd, not a terrorist mastermind. Also I think even police is not taking this seriously - searching month after the arrest... Finding nothing but a PC with games and most likely some porn on it - woah what evidence.

Seriously American government should just take the constitution, bill of rights and human rights constitution from UN and just burn them. They got as much value as ash as they seem to have now.

Also. Someone paid the bail and he is out with hes family.

I wonder about these people saying that this can't happen in the UK. Several hits on Google claim otherwise, including at least one from the Guardian.

Father Time:

Joking about school shootings is covered by the first amendment.

You can say it til you're blue in the face. Doesn't make it true.

More to the point, you're unlikely to get any court to decide tacking on "lol" after the fact will protect someone from consideration as a threat.

Supposed moral high ground is a poor pillow.

Kamille Bidan:

A comment made on a public forum, one that can either be ignored or dismissed as simple GIFT is nowhere near the same as someone screaming 'bomb' at an airport. The former action does not and cannot incite a panic in anywhere near the same way.

That's great. Except I said "joking" about a bomb at an airport. You changed the wording to try and invalidate what I said. I actually said "joke" multiple times to clarify, so I'm just going to assume you know that by now and are purposely changing the scenario.

You're missing the larger point anyway. The original claim was you could say whatever whenever you wanted. I pointed to two examples: one germane, one admittedly not. You came along, not only fiercely proclaiming untrue things but also taking a "how dare you" approach to something I didn't say or do.

Do you honestly think you have the right to say whatever you want wherever you want? If yes, you are wrong. If no, then where's the problem?

I mean, aside from the one you and McKinsey made by retconning my words on me.

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