Petition to Free Jailed League of Legends Player Reaches 100,000 Sigs

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As a person who has said a LOT of stupid shit over the years I can't help but feel bad for this guy.

Talk about a culture of fear. I'm ashamed of the Canadian prude who went through all of that effort to throw this guy under the bus. So she thought she was doing the world a favour? Turns out, she ruined a kid's life.

Krinkle Ymouse:
So much for freedom of speech if you can be arrested for sarcasm... Way to go US...

I heard the guy's house was searched and they found nothing so they released him. But I guess that source was wrong.

Captcha: tesla coil.

I'm going to place a giant tesla coil in front of the prison he's being held. lol jk.

But seriously, captcha should be arrested.

You know, the people who make comments like this typically don't actually understand the first mmendmant, the laws around it, and what it actually guarantees you. For instance, running into a crowded public space and yelling "BOMB!" would almost certainly bring you jail time.

He did not identify a particular school, and was not attempting to make a specific threat which is required for Sec. 22.07. Terroristic Threat. of the Texas Penal Code. I have no idea how incompetent their defense is, but I would love to see someone look into the prosecutors. I would be willing to bet that they have made at least one death threat at sometime in their life. With the new 'terrorist' brand being applied to everything including death threats now (regardless of tone, or reason), they would be equally as guilty.

Come on WikiLeaks, save the kid!

Goofguy:
Talk about a culture of fear. I'm ashamed of the Canadian prude who went through all of that effort to throw this guy under the bus. So she thought she was doing the world a favour? Turns out, she ruined a kid's life.

She didn't do anything wrong. He decided what he was going to say and how to say it. The police and legal system arrested, charged and imprisoned him for it. Both of those are at fault for this, but that woman did the right thing.

How do you think she'd feel if she saw that, decided to do nothing, and found out later he did do these things? Probably a lot worse than she would in this situation.

and the land of the free, and the home of the brave ...

MURICA

I'm going to sign the petition of people who not only think he should be released, but that it was actually a pretty good joke.

Kill someone, then eat their still beating heart? Contradiction, man.

All I want--after this case is fully resolved--is a lengthy interview with the judge and anyone else who saw him fit for this, and then with the woman who reported him; asking how she felt about what her actions lead to.

Literally--LITERALLY--people say "I'm gonna kill that person" in just as sarcastic a manner millions of times a day. In fact, if I were Luis CK, I'd hold an entertainment media press conference sarcastically calling for my arrest, on account of having joked that I wouldn't ever have sex with a kid--but maybe a dead kid.

And then I go to prison, and film the next season of my show there. How's THAT for public activism.

Edit:
Wait, EscapistMagazine.com posting an article about someone being SERIOUSLY punished for some minor quip? Oh CRAP how did I only now realize how good of a joke I could have made about that?

Well I'll tell you how: because there's an example of someone affected by it just like FIVE POSTS above me. Apparently, saying,

"What does this even add to the article? I guess I should stop expecting contributors on a video game website to remain professional."

Is enough to get you PERMANENTLY BANNED. Yes, you can be a member of this site for two years and contribute over a THOUSAND messages to the community, and daring to criticize the people who work on the site with--gasp--sarcasm is worthy of having it all being tossed into the 'this guy must be shamed to the last day these servers are alive' pile.

Oh FREAKING gee, criticizing someone using smug, sarcastic remarks. The Escapist doesn't want anyone like that.

And yes, this is totally on topic. This is a thread about hilariously over-the-top punishments.

Now, maybe that guy had gotten warnings before. Though I don't know how one could lose their 'saying anything negative' rights. But okay, if he had kept making the same basic message over and over again for months, THEN I'd accept that logic.

But if not, then, well... crap, I just earned myself enough banishment to last three eternities, didn't I?

If so... can I just ask something? Um... why? Why is harshly negative feedback without 'constructive criticism' a bad thing? What does that do? I can understand unending obnoxious l33t speak spamming, I can understand personal attacks (that aren't clearly sarcastic, obviously), but what is damaged when someone says "this guy's work is wretched and pathetic and I don't expect better from him"?

That person's EGO, obviously. Film Brain permanently banned ME from TGWTG.com (and also IP blocked me from even VIEWING the website, which even their own rules don't authorize him to do) for saying "got I fucking hate this guy's videos!" And he told me, "we work hard on our videos and words like that disheartens and discourages us."

Oh boo hoo. If I fucking hate someone's videos, do I have to lie? Look, just because you really hate something and tell people about it, doesn't mean you're trolling or even flaming (so I didn't even break any TGWTG rules). If you want to be successful at anything, you have to be willing to face critics. But at the end of the day, I can KIND OF understand that hey--it's YOUR site--not a Constitutional Republic. You can moderate however you want. Just ADMIT it, please. Don't hide behind the 'constructive criticism' excuse.

When you say something sucks, you're saying do a better job. Not constructive enough? Well in my original post (yes I'm going on long, but since I suspect this post may get be banned from the site forever, I don't want to leave anything important out. But I'm STILL making sure that it stays within the general boundaries of 'ridiculous punishments' and has segued more into internet moderation. I am offering a LOT of content in this post. Escapist doesn't like low-content posts, right?) I actually did specify a few things that I hated.

I said I hated the theme song, and that I found his voice and overall persona to be annoying.

They told me that that STILL wasn't constructive enough. I had to 'offer advice on how to improve'.

And I was like,
"Uhh... get a better theme song? And... stop having an annoying persona?" My point being, the way to improve is usually easy to figure out if you apply your brain to straight criticism. Yahtzee rarely spends time to talk about how a game could be better, but it's a BRILLIANT place to go to get tips on how to make good games.

And they said NO, that still doesn't cut it.
"You need to be like 'this seems to be a little bad. I think your voice might be annoying.'" They said to me.

But... that has nothing to do with constructiveness; that's just how nice I'm being. SEE? This is all about your feelings being hurt.

(Yes I know I keep going on and on about this, but I have a lot to say, and would like to preemptively respond to every reaction I suspect I'll get.)

They also said things like,
"Be like this: 'Your theme song is rather bad. Go look for more songs to use as your theme song. Consider making your own. If you can't do music, go look for someone who can and keep in close communication with them. Make it something that fits the tone of the show.' There, see banned user? That's what would have qualified as constructive criticism."

Yeah so, basically, unless I give the video maker a whole freaking tutorial on how to make their videos, my criticism isn't constructive.

By the way, Film Brain never fessed-up to how his punishment was more than even his own rules authorized him to do. He never even acknowledged it back to me, despite me putting it RIGHT in front of his face and demanding an explanation. Also, by the way, I was completely in the dark about this whole thing for months. I had no idea what had happened and the admins weren't responding to my emails.

Hey, um, how about I offer some constructive criticism to The Escapist on moderation policy in regards to flaming and trolling?

1: Ban people who make personal--not clearly sarcastic--attacks. "This guy is a shit head." Is bad. "This video is shit." Is okay. "This guy sucks at making videos." Is just barely okay.

2: Ban people whose criticisms are jumbled up into a quagmire of poor typing.

3: Ban people who are CONSTANTLY stalking some output with constant meaning rambling of bitterness and won't stop despite multiple warnings.

Everything else--in the category of unconstructive criticism--is fine.

By the way, I moved after a couple of months of Film Brain banning me and was able to get back on the site. I eventually figured out how to get another account without people knowing. So even thought that was a DAY ONE account (the only I've ever had) with a thousand posts on it... I can't still be too mad at him, because I ultimately got away with it. I still want to use this case as a good example of bad moderation policy, however.

For example, on a South Park fansite that I had run myself, I gave one guy moderating powers. And then he went on to do nothing but abuse those powers, and then I found out that he even LIED to me to get fake moderating credentials in the first place. And then... I just took away his moderating powers and didn't do anything else. Because what harm can he do now?

I know that on a bigger website, this is much much much much harder, but I just think these policies need a deep philosophical shift.

He's going to get out of jail. This is just ridiculous on so many levels that it isn't even funny.

Elfgore:
This is a very complicated case for me. He without a doubt, did something incredibly stupid but... does he really deserve eight years in jail for it? Hell after that school shooting in Newtown or whatever that school was called, some kid from a neighboring school said he could do better on facebook and was arrested. He got away with a slap on a wrist from the judge and was expelled from his school. That should be this guys punishment. Give him some community service or something because this kid will be most likely murdered in prison.

What he did is not right and he deserves to be punished, but eight years in jail is to extreme.

Yeah, but the kid lived in CT. This one lives in Texas, where they shoot you for jaywalking.

....But seriously, the kid did something stupid, and deserves to learn words have consequence, but yeah. 8 years in jail is just stupid. 8 months in jail would be stupid.

Community service might actually be on the nose.

Colt47:
He's going to get out of jail. This is just ridiculous on so many levels that it isn't even funny.

Hopefully, yes, but he's spent five months on the inside, been assaulted multiple times and has been in solitary confinement for an unknown amount of time. That's not something you just shake off and forget. The only question at this point is how damaged he's going to be when he comes out the other side.

And suggesting that he should be punished for not exercising common sense on the internet? I'd be fine with an account ban (although given the prevalence of stupid shit-talk on the internet I think even that would be harsh) but I have no desire to live in a "be careful what you say" society.

This is fucking disgusting, I seriously hope this kid sues for millions and sees all whose responsible for this lose their jobs.

Tygerml:

Krinkle Ymouse:
So much for freedom of speech if you can be arrested for sarcasm... Way to go US...

While I agree that the prison time is wildly excessive, he should've had the common sense not to say something that stupid on Facebook where you really have no idea who's likely to read it.

"Oh yeah, I'm real messed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still-beating hearts" doesn't sound like someone being sarcastic so much as someone trying to be shocking.

You don't have freedom of speech on Facebook, you have what they allow you to say. Even so, I think 100 hours of community service picking up trash or something would have made a lot more sense.

See that's the problem with text. You can't distinguish sarcasm, so when a person goes "lol JK", they are likely being sarcastic.

This wouldn't hold up in any court for any reason. Hell, if you went on Xbox Live and fished through all the comments including the phrases "I will rape u" or something, odds are you'd have a few million more kids in jail.

This is bullshit, plain and simple.

Knowing Texas, it's a good thing he is white, or else they'd give him the chair!

Good Lord. What a ridiculous waste of public resources. I'd understand if they investigated, heck, I'd understand if they even held him a few days to be clear that such a comment wasn't okay. But trying to charge him as a terrorist? Especially in the light of the lack of evidence that he's anything of the sort, and the long delay before the investigation (suggesting law enforcement also never took the comment all that seriously?) And a plea bargain of 8 years?! What kind of message are they trying to send? Aside from maybe "Yeah, that run-for-profit penal system is working out great"?

emeraldrafael:
I dont think he needed an 8 year sentence, but he did need something for that completely dumbass comment. you cant just say jk or lol after something like that in the recent events of newtown and the boston bombing and think thats alright.

A Facebook ban is the only thing he should really have been subjected to.

Not that his humour is worth applauding, but come on. Eight years? The amount of bullshit involved here is beyond belief.

Rednog:

You have to use a sense of judgement in situations, for example as you brought up work, say a worker is just having a crummy day and says off offhandedly "wow I'd really love to just jump out that window". Do you jump up and pin them to the ground and call the authorities for an attempted suicide? No, you use your better judgement and realize that it's dark humor.

You can judge things based on context, true. Problem is when you say something in a public place you risk people who are not involved taking it out of context. Facebook comments are not necessarily public, you can choose who sees them, this kid evidentally didn't do that. He put a comment up which people who were not aware of the context could see. As such they've done the right thing and expressed their concern to the authorities.
Also the fact that this was an online comment changes things too. Sarcasm and humour generally can be detected by tone of voice, such things can't be noticed in an online setting. A coworker telling me about his shitty day and joking about hanging himself or whatever may not be a concern. A coworker typing about how shitty his life is finishing his comment saying he's going to commit suicide can be a concern. Again, maybe not to the person who he's talking to, who presumedly knows his sense of humour, but quite possibly to the supervisor who he forgot he had on his friend list.

Robert Holmes:

The correct analogy would be if someone called in a bomb threat and said the bombs are inside your kidneys or someone else said they had a gun which fires solid bullets of blood pumped from his very veins. I would hope that you do not report me and have me arrested as both a criminal and a blood mage.

I don't think you know how analogies work if you think that's in any way more correct.
The still beating heart eating (sounds cooler this way) is possible, unlikely, but possible nonetheless. But if you want to be more realistic, its also possible for a real threat to be made using hyperbole for effect.
Basically what he said is something you can take to be a real threat in spite of its over-the-top imagery.

Your anologies on the other hand, are stupid and illogical, bordering on the impossible. Having said all that, if you said something like that to me without context for doing so (especially if it was in a call to my workplace or especially in person) then yeah, I'd have you arrested or at the very least institutionalised.

bdcjacko:

Also by threating to shoot up a school and eat the still beating hearts of children is not something to acceptable joke about where anyone can see or hear. If you want to joke about it with your friends, don't got posting it on Facebook.

Spot on.
In a group of friends where the context is understood, talk about whatever you want. If there's a chance people will overhear without the oppurtunity for you to explain the context, then watch what you say.

I do still think that imprisonment is too drastic for making an example of someone. As I said earlier, fine him (or his parents) for the costs involved. Any more prison time than he's already experienced through his arrest and awaiting trial is going to do more harm than good.

America can arrest people for making jokes that aren't funny? And Dane Cooke walks free?!? Oh, America...

Surely having his account suspended and a lesson on what's funny and appropriate would do.

After several weeks in prison, the court determined that the county in which he was being held didn't have jurisdiction, but instead of being freed he was transferred to a different county, where the judge doubled his bail.

Well ain't that a bitch.

On the one hand, I do enjoy seeing someone pay for a stupid jackass comment, on the other hand this is frickin' ridiculous. I can't believe they arrested him after turning up absolutely no evidence that these so-called "threats" were genuine, and now the guy is in prison due to his poor taste in humor.

*clicks the link to sign the petition*

Actually, I wonder if there's been any reaction from the person who reported him. I doubt she wanted this, right? She saw a joke that she found offensive and reported it expecting some punishment but that would have been suspension. I wonder what she has to say about this.

UltraHammer:
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Woah dude, 80% of that comment literally had nothing to do with the topic at hand here.
Nor did it even have anything to do with the Escapist in general.
I think you need to vent that somewhere else because you seem pretty pissed about some stupid thing that happened over another website.
Especially seeing as how that particular incident is taking up a majority of your comment.

Calm down, relax, watch some tv.
Come back when you've cooled off.

Devoneaux:

Krinkle Ymouse:
So much for freedom of speech if you can be arrested for sarcasm... Way to go US...

I heard the guy's house was searched and they found nothing so they released him. But I guess that source was wrong.

Captcha: tesla coil.

I'm going to place a giant tesla coil in front of the prison he's being held. lol jk.

But seriously, captcha should be arrested.

You know, the people who make comments like this typically don't actually understand the first mmendmant, the laws around it, and what it actually guarantees you. For instance, running into a crowded public space and yelling "BOMB!" would almost certainly bring you jail time.

Well I'm Aussie, so I don't think I qualify to understand the first amendment by proxy.

But nonetheless, I understand where a comment like "BOMB" in a public place would be bad, since you know, it's inappropriate and costs money since you have to take it seriously no matter what.

I work in a servo and a bomb threat, even if it's an obvious joke, shuts us down until the cops give us the all clear. People like that are dealt with appropriately. It's never happened to our site, but that's our procedure.

But in this situation, the comment is too far removed from reality. At worst an investigation should have taken place the way I was originally told it was, ie being arrested, having his house searched, being questioned and then released when nothing was found. With a fine possibly being issued. I'll stress: worst case.

This is just really stupid...eight years in prison? I can see making him stay overnight, that's a classic wrist-slap for pitiful cases, but eight years is just incredibly wrong. When was this guy's trial and what kind of a single-celled organism was his defense attorney?

bdcjacko:
Also by threating to shoot up a school and eat the still beating hearts of children is not something to acceptable joke about where anyone can see or hear. If you want to joke about it with your friends, don't got posting it on Facebook.

He was just using Facebook as a way to communicate with people he might've never met before. This case is like a kid played a game of (insert sport here) at a local park and the conversation in the article happened, then some woman overheard one sentence and called the cops immediately.

This kid clearly does not deserve 8 years FOR A JOKE. Sure a joke like that is in bad taste, but he was being sarcastic!
He was even quoted of saying "lol jk"!!! I can't facepalm hard enough, my desk can only take so much head.
Where was the investigation?
You can't just the arrest someone with no evidence and just one claim! (oh wait... Texas...)

Speaking of claim, whoever looked up this kids information illegally... YOU should be sent to jail. Invasion of privacy you numbnut.

crimson sickle2:
This case is like a kid played a game of (insert sport here) at a local park and the conversation in the article happened, then some woman overheard one sentence and called the cops immediately.

And assuming she wasn't able to discern by tone that they were joking about the kid being messed up in the head and wanting to kill a bunch of people, she would be perfectly justified in doing so.
The difference is what happens after and how severe the punishment should be for what was admittedly a childish mistake.

fletch_talon:

crimson sickle2:
This case is like a kid played a game of (insert sport here) at a local park and the conversation in the article happened, then some woman overheard one sentence and called the cops immediately.

And assuming she wasn't able to discern by tone that they were joking about the kid being messed up in the head and wanting to kill a bunch of people, she would be perfectly justified in doing so.
The difference is what happens after and how severe the punishment should be for what was admittedly a childish mistake.

Yup, and the police should have taken one look at the comment and politely told her where to get off.

Caiphus:

fletch_talon:

crimson sickle2:
This case is like a kid played a game of (insert sport here) at a local park and the conversation in the article happened, then some woman overheard one sentence and called the cops immediately.

And assuming she wasn't able to discern by tone that they were joking about the kid being messed up in the head and wanting to kill a bunch of people, she would be perfectly justified in doing so.
The difference is what happens after and how severe the punishment should be for what was admittedly a childish mistake.

Yup, and the police should have taken one look at the comment and politely told her where to get off.

Nup, the police should have looked at the comment. Investigated further to discover what the context of said comment was and whether there was reason to believe it may have been made in malice rather than ignorance. Upon finding nothing they should then have given the child a warning, possibly handing down some form of fine upon the boy and his family to make up for the waste of police time. Finally they should have thanked the lady for her concern and bringing it to their attention.

Y'know, their job.

I don't agree with what he said and frankly League of Legends could do without the insane amount of flamers it already has but this is big. Think about the prescient that could be set. Any sarcastic comment you make, even if only to a friend so long as it's available to read could cause you to be held culpable and sent to jail. I'm Canadian, and the thought of such a precedent being set in the US scares the crap out of me. This is at the core of the human right to free speech. I know you've all run into people like this before and you hate them. I do too. However, this is beyond any justice these people deserve and further could condemn us all to the same fate with the precedent it sets. . Digital is still the wild west we have an obligation to make sure the rules that govern it are civilized even, or maybe especially, for those who aren't civil themselves.

fletch_talon:

Nup, the police should have looked at the comment. Investigated further to discover what the context of said comment was and whether there was reason to believe it may have been made in malice rather than ignorance. Upon finding nothing they should then have given the child a warning, possibly handing down some form of fine upon the boy and his family to make up for the waste of police time. Finally they should have thanked the lady for her concern and bringing it to their attention.

Y'know, their job.

Perhaps. But I don't think their job is to harass teenagers for stupid facebook comments just to satisfy the paranoid.

Y'know.

If this kid goes, then half the country has to go.

fletch_talon:

Caiphus:

fletch_talon:

And assuming she wasn't able to discern by tone that they were joking about the kid being messed up in the head and wanting to kill a bunch of people, she would be perfectly justified in doing so.
The difference is what happens after and how severe the punishment should be for what was admittedly a childish mistake.

Yup, and the police should have taken one look at the comment and politely told her where to get off.

Nup, the police should have looked at the comment. Investigated further to discover what the context of said comment was and whether there was reason to believe it may have been made in malice rather than ignorance. Upon finding nothing they should then have given the child a warning, possibly handing down some form of fine upon the boy and his family to make up for the waste of police time. Finally they should have thanked the lady for her concern and bringing it to their attention.

Y'know, their job.

I totally agree. The police should definitely look into every case involving someone saying something offensive and violent on the internet no matter the context. Now that they finally started with this case I estimate they only have 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 cases remaining assuming we're sticking just to English language sites of course.This could easily be handled by the entire police forces throughout the world assuming they stop working on any actual criminal case. Hey, why stop at writing why not scan every candid video some idiots friend decides to post on the internet. You know without their permission. Or complete strangers. Cause legally there is no distinction on who put it up there so long as it was you who said it in a case like this. You know I think George Carlin made a joke about flying a plane into a building. We should dig him up and charge him as a terrorist post - humorously. I can guarantee you can find that written somewhere on the internet so it should be a lock.

Also why don't people wear more octopuses on their heads like hats the suction cups would make sure they wouldn't get blown off in a wind storm.

emeraldrafael:
I dont think he needed an 8 year sentence, but he did need something for that completely dumbass comment. you cant just say jk or lol after something like that in the recent events of newtown and the boston bombing and think thats alright.

Bill of Rights: Suspended until once again convenient

Its too bad we live in a society where no one will actually lift a finger to help this kid. I wish we lived in a place where all of us posting on how much we are disgusted by the treatment this kid has faced, about the damages mentally he will have from this stupid imprisonment, could get up and actually go out and voice our opinion and change this kids life.

He doesnt deserve this, and even though hes just some kid who made a stupid fucked up comment, he never truely hurt anyone, he posted on a social media site because the whole point of social media is to engage as many different voices and opinions into one place. But I guess his voice just isnt the right one right? I guess hes just too quick to speak his mind. Everyone saying he deserves anything for this, community service even, think about how much more fucked up things youve heard your own friends say, or for that matter a character in a book, or in a video game, or just anything.

Think about what this case says, if we can get put in prison, lose our livelyhood, becuase of one stupid comment. No matter the severity, the fact that someone has the power over you, whether you give it to them or they just assume it, is horrifying and its nothing that represents humanity, or even mild dignity as a race.

This is complete BS, there's no reaction I can give other then that.

I find myself not caring. There are some things you JUST DON'T SAY. People think that because it is the internet they can say what they want. He said what he said, someone felt threatened, and now he has to pay for it.

Caiphus:

fletch_talon:

Nup, the police should have looked at the comment. Investigated further to discover what the context of said comment was and whether there was reason to believe it may have been made in malice rather than ignorance. Upon finding nothing they should then have given the child a warning, possibly handing down some form of fine upon the boy and his family to make up for the waste of police time. Finally they should have thanked the lady for her concern and bringing it to their attention.

Y'know, their job.

Perhaps. But I don't think their job is to harass teenagers for stupid facebook comments just to satisfy the paranoid.

Y'know.

If this kid goes, then half the country has to go.

Its not paranoia if its justified.
There are messed up individuals out there who would say things like this, and then act on it. Without context (and it certainly seems this comment was seen out of context) this woman could not know if the comment was evidence of an actual threat or simply a joke. In the face of this doubt she took the safer of 2 options. She could do nothing and one day potentially find herself feeling responsible for deaths she could have helped prevent. Or she could tell the police so they could establish if such a threat existed. She took the path which if there was a threat would have saved many lives. If there was no threat, then in theory (and no doubt to best her knowledge) the consequences would have been the inconveniencing of someone who did something stupid. It is not the whistle blower's fault that there are people trying to make an example of this boy.

Loki_The_Good:

I totally agree. The police should definitely look into every case involving someone saying something offensive and violent on the internet no matter the context. Now that they finally started with this case I estimate they only have 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 cases remaining assuming we're sticking just to English language sites of course.This could easily be handled by the entire police forces throughout the world assuming they stop working on any actual criminal case. Hey, why stop at writing why not scan every candid video some idiots friend decides to post on the internet. You know without their permission. Or complete strangers. Cause legally there is no distinction on who put it up there so long as it was you who said it in a case like this. You know I think George Carlin made a joke about flying a plane into a building. We should dig him up and charge him as a terrorist post - humorously. I can guarantee you can find that written somewhere on the internet so it should be a lock.

Also why don't people wear more octopuses on their heads like hats the suction cups would make sure they wouldn't get blown off in a wind storm.

Grats man, you used the word context in their somewhere. Now its time to apply it to this situation.
A woman saw a facebook post about a kid being messed up in the head and killing people. In a world (and for that matter especially a country) where this happens, more often than it should.
That seems to be the context she had. So no, the police shouldn't investigate "no matter the context". They should certainly investigate if the context is unknown.

Context is important, you seem to acknowledge that, so next time how about you put a little more thought into how it applies to this situation.

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