Grand Theft Auto V "Upset" Hideo Kojima

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cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

To be honest, I hated GTA IV but I appreciated what Rockstar were trying to do with it. GTA V looks to have ironed out a lot of the creases, and the sheer scope of the new game is ball-shrivelingly massive; my only worry is I won't know where to start.

OT: Hideo Kojima seems like such a nice chap, it's rare to see such humility in an industry like this.

Captcha: kindness of strangers. See, Captcha knows what I'm talking about.

Kojima doesn't have much to worry about in my opinion. The MGS games always had so many fun little quirks to figure out that they were like a sandbox in a way. Throwing a snake at a guy and then detonating the tnt you strapped to his back while wearing an alligator hat is more saints row than GTA. if it's as solid and polished as past MGS games it will be awesome.

Credit to the man he voices his thoughts and credits other studios openly, very few games creators do this from any of the big studios.

he's got a stealth franchise. why the fuck does he even compare it to GTA at all?

Stick to your own guns mate and you'll do just fine.

rob_simple:

cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

To be honest, I hated GTA IV but I appreciated what Rockstar were trying to do with it. GTA V looks to have ironed out a lot of the creases, and the sheer scope of the new game is ball-shrivelingly massive; my only worry is I won't know where to start.

OT: Hideo Kojima seems like such a nice chap, it's rare to see such humility in an industry like this.

Captcha: kindness of strangers. See, Captcha knows what I'm talking about.

Saints Row 3 and GTA IV suffered from similar issues, GTA IV was too serious too much of the time, Saints Row just to silly and over the top. GTA V seems to have gone much further in fixing the issues that GTA IV has than Saints Row 4 will to Saints Row 3s issues.

Even as overly serious as its story was GTA IV always rewarded you for cocking about, whereas Saint's row 2&3 thats pretty much all there was, and on ocassions forced you to do it, which kind of spoiled it form me

"Brother! It's been too long!

... want to go bowling?"

Christ, do *this* many people think that the man is being deadly serious?

grimer30:
"Brother! It's been too long!

... want to go bowling?"

Cousin, actually, but yes. That's the main reason I only played GTAIV through once.

Pink Gregory:
Christ, do *this* many people think that the man is being deadly serious?

Doesn't matter if he's serious or not. Is he being sincere?

If he's sincere, then yes, he gets kudos from me. Friendly competition between developers is a lot more appealing than cut-throat backstabbing between developers.

Evil Smurf:

Capitano Segnaposto:

Evil Smurf:
Perhaps he should have stuck with stealth then.

The games are stealth? I don't get this statement.

I thought metal gear games where stealth :D

No, that isn't what I meant. You said, "He should have stuck with stealth" which confuses me as I had thought that "The Games are stealth?" It seemed you were indicating that the games have left the stealth genre.

Kojima, Please just shut-up.

Please stop trying to use insipid melodrama to promote your game.

Yours sincerely
-the logical people of this world

William Dickbringer:

AzrealMaximillion:

Evil Smurf:
I thought metal gear games where stealth :D

With the exception of Revengeance, they've all been stealth. Pretty sure MGS5 will focus on stealth. Not sure what your original comment implies.

it's sandbox therefore the stealth is lost
O.T. I dunno why he's so worried I mean it's like everyone has been saying they offer two different experiences

idk... Batman: Arkham City was "open world" but you could still do stealth with the pockets of criminals scattered around.

I just hope kojima isn't thinking of making snake go around stealing cars horses and beating up hookers horses.

horses horses horses horses horses horses

saintdane05:

William Dickbringer:

AzrealMaximillion:

With the exception of Revengeance, they've all been stealth. Pretty sure MGS5 will focus on stealth. Not sure what your original comment implies.

it's sandbox therefore the stealth is lost
O.T. I dunno why he's so worried I mean it's like everyone has been saying they offer two different experiences

The original was practically a "Sandbox" as well.

josemlopes:

William Dickbringer:

AzrealMaximillion:

With the exception of Revengeance, they've all been stealth. Pretty sure MGS5 will focus on stealth. Not sure what your original comment implies.

it's sandbox therefore the stealth is lost

Even Far Cry 3 has stealth, didnt you saw the MGSV trailer, the fact that its sandbox is even better for a stealth game. Stealth missions in the Arma games are very cool because of that, they arent puzzles but situations where the player can try anything

I hope you both know that I was referring to what the guy meant when the guy said "he should of stuck with stealth" I have against the phantom pain and am looking forward to it

A Satanic Panda:
> I'm upset. I can't see our 'V' gaining victory over their 'V.'

> our 'V' gaining victory over their 'V.'

> 'V' over their 'V.'

> their 'V'

This whole thing was an elaborate sex joke against GTA. Well played.

also, Half-Life 3 confirmed to be PS2 Exclusive.

OT: I fully believe that Hideo Kojima is crazy to some degree, a developer that actually listens to the fans and cares about his franchise?

INSANITY I TELLS YOU.

But yea, GTA and MGS are two different genre's, just because they are both open world does not mean they are in direct competition with each other. But he is right, GTA V looks amazing, now just wonder what it would look like on the next gen consoles.

Isn't this one of those things that isn't really newsworthy? The headline makes it seem like a news story but then you find out it's just Hideo saying he wishes he could make a game as big as GTAV... That seems like simple tweets being turned into a big deal. Is it big news when he tweets about his dinner? Same thing happened with the Ellen Page/Last of Us thing...

But it is nice to see Hideo complimenting a rival studio on their game. It'd be nice if he tried to learn from it instead of copying it, of course.

MGS 5 may not be as good as GTA 5, but neither will surpass FFV. At least they will both be better than RE 5. And Mario Party 5. And the Jackson 5.

Adam Jensen:
He should not worry. It's not the end of the world. And almost everybody is aware already that GTAV is going to be the game of this generation.

I don't know, the last one didn't seem to blow anyone's mind, and I can think of multiple games that seemed more impressive. I don't think it deserves game of the year, much less game of the generation. Only time will tell though, maybe the clouds will part, and the angels will sing, and GTA5 will descend from the heavens to prove me wrong, haha.

Personally, I'm more interested in Saints Row. If that's not the voice of a generation, then I don't know what is.

William Dickbringer:

AzrealMaximillion:

Evil Smurf:
I thought metal gear games where stealth :D

With the exception of Revengeance, they've all been stealth. Pretty sure MGS5 will focus on stealth. Not sure what your original comment implies.

it's sandbox therefore the stealth is lost
O.T. I dunno why he's so worried I mean it's like everyone has been saying they offer two different experiences

Sorry but what? Since when does being a sandbox game wipe away the stealth aspects? Dishonored was pretty open world. Same with the Theif games. To a lesser stealth extent Assassin's Creed. Even Watch Dogs looks to be an open world stealth game.

And the MGS5 poster has the "Tactical Espionage Action" tagline that every MGS except Revengeance has carried, meaning stealth is the focus.

So how does it being an open world game lose its stealth aspect to you?

GTA IV, for instance, managed to sell six million copies in its first week while it would take several years for Metal Gear Solid IV to squeak past the five million mark."

well duh?

guess which game was also available for other plattforms sucha s the pc...

cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

GTA 4 was a great improvement on the series. D: The gameplay was about eight different types of better. And I honestly believe the annoyance about being called by NPC's is kinda hyperbole as it's never really gotten on my nerves, nevermind that you can hang up on every conversation.

At any rate, the next GTA is looking good, so is the next Metal Gear. But it is cool to se a developer just be like, "Dude, this game looks badass. I hope mine isn't blown out of the water. But still, so cool."

karloss01:
Well considering GTAIV was multiplatform and MGSIV wasn't i think its safe to say that MGSIV out-performed GTAIV on PS3.

Actually, it didn't. GTA IV has sold a total of 9.78 million copies for the PS3 and MGS IV has "only" sold 5.78. It's still a very respectable number though.

Fox12:

Adam Jensen:
He should not worry. It's not the end of the world. And almost everybody is aware already that GTAV is going to be the game of this generation.

I don't know, the last one didn't seem to blow anyone's mind, and I can think of multiple games that seemed more impressive. I don't think it deserves game of the year, much less game of the generation. Only time will tell though, maybe the clouds will part, and the angels will sing, and GTA5 will descend from the heavens to prove me wrong, haha.

Personally, I'm more interested in Saints Row. If that's not the voice of a generation, then I don't know what is.

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Oh! Oh! Right here! Mind blown by GTA IV!

I really liked GTA IV. I didn't mine the friend-mechanic since everytime I did hang out with one of the friends it meant that I would learn something new about that character or Niko. If I remember correctly it was during one of those "missions" I found out what happened to Roman's mother. Deeply disturbing.

And as far as Saints Row go... well, it's fun. I liked the first one, the second one was really fun, and the third one... well, it wasn't bad and did entertain me, but it really felt like it missed the point of what made SR2 so good. I'm still on the fence about SR4, not sure I'll end up buying it.

MinionJoe:

grimer30:
"Brother! It's been too long!

... want to go bowling?"

Cousin, actually, but yes. That's the main reason I only played GTAIV through once.

Pretty sure he was splicing comments said by Liquid and Roman. Try reading it in their voices now!

William Dickbringer:

AzrealMaximillion:

Evil Smurf:
I thought metal gear games where stealth :D

With the exception of Revengeance, they've all been stealth. Pretty sure MGS5 will focus on stealth. Not sure what your original comment implies.

it's sandbox therefore the stealth is lost

I've seen about a billion Elder Scrolls characters that make your statement so wrong you might as well have said the sun was black.

GTA may have more freedom in many ways true. But MGS's gameplay is deeper and tactical.

Well I don't think he has much to worry about as there probably isn't a lot of audience overlap between the two.

cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

Wait you're trashing GTA IV while praising SR3? I felt SR3 was an absolute piece of wank and the fact they're going even further overboard with SR4 and throwing away everything that made SR2 great just leaves me with no interest in the game whatsoever. I played SR2 for countless hours, I was done with SR3 as soon as I went through the story and that didn't take long at all. The whole "oh look how wacky this stuff is" got old way too fast for me.

And have you even seen the trailers for GTA V? The man is not kidding, it looks absolutely amazing. I was not a big fan of GTA IV, the phone, the music, the grey-assed city, the annoying cliched protagonist, but it did a number of things well too. But GTA V is very clearly taking a lot of hints from what I consider to be their best game to date, San Andreas. They're bringing back the air and water and it looks to be quite a comeback. With three protagonists, it could lead to some very interesting scenarios and if their multiplayer has a 3 player co-op where you can go through the entire story together, I'll likely be looking at my favourite game ever.

Vrach:

cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

Wait you're trashing GTA IV while praising SR3? I felt SR3 was an absolute piece of wank and the fact they're going even further overboard with SR4 and throwing away everything that made SR2 great just leaves me with no interest in the game whatsoever. I played SR2 for countless hours, I was done with SR3 as soon as I went through the story and that didn't take long at all. The whole "oh look how wacky this stuff is" got old way too fast for me.

And have you even seen the trailers for GTA V? The man is not kidding, it looks absolutely amazing. I was not a big fan of GTA IV, the phone, the music, the grey-assed city, the annoying cliched protagonist, but it did a number of things well too. But GTA V is very clearly taking a lot of hints from what I consider to be their best game to date, San Andreas. They're bringing back the air and water and it looks to be quite a comeback. With three protagonists, it could lead to some very interesting scenarios and if their multiplayer has a 3 player co-op where you can go through the entire story together, I'll likely be looking at my favourite game ever.

First off, I gotta say this. Good job pulling that first line right out of your ass. Did I make mention of Saints Row 3 anywhere in my post? Nope. So I must congratulate you on extrapolating the "fact" that clearly I am praising Saints Row 3 as the bastion of Open World gameplay.

I would of mentioned Just Cause actually, but they're only up to 2, and that is much further from 5 than the only other major open-world title of similar style. And my entire point with that last line was jokingly referring to the "V vs. V" between the two games.

And yes. I have seen the trailers for GTA V, and yes there is a whole shit-ton of "coulds" and "mights" associated with the 3 protagonists and the like. But guess what? THAT'S ALL IT IS. Those trailers are worth about as much to me as the "Demo gameplay" footage for Aliens: Colonial Marines. Until I see some rock solid proof at launch, I could give a rats ass what they are tossing out there for the PR.

:)

This reminds me of a little story, way back in the buildup the metal gear solid on ps1.
Kojima was interviewed on mgs1 for uks official playstation magazine and when asked how long the game would take he replied "i can finish it in 2 hours".

A rep from konami actually had to step in and told kojima presumably (obviously dunno what words were said, the interviewer just noted that the konami rep came and took him aside and they talked in japanese over something) that honesty was not always the best policy and he then added "of course it would take players far longer if they don't know the game by heart like i do, and this doesn't include time for cutscenes".

Glad to see he hasnt changed too much since then.

Gotta say it's pretty funny to see a well known creator like Hideo basically come out and say "God damn...that was fucking awesome, we can't even come close to that!" when seeing a new game. But yeah, Stew brings up a good point in that it's an apples-to-oranges comparison. The Metal Gear series has always been tailored to a specific group of gamers who like to literally drown in an obscenely complex story while GTA appeals to the broader audience of people who enjoy running over prostitutes and beating old ladies with baseball bats before flying off on a jetpack to pick up money from the gay strip club that they own so they can go out and buy a private airport out in the middle of the desert to park the jumbo jet they stole.

kojima baby don't say that
your game will be great and you're beautiful

Terramax:
Eh, sandbox games are overrated. And, besides graphics, they've hardly evolved since the PS2 era. Just added more fluff. Kojima has nothing to worry about.

you better get used to the "overrated" sandbox style because i have a feeling we're gonna see a LOT of those on the next gen x1 and ps4. I in my opinion love sandbox games they give you more to do after the story mode is over.

LT Cannibal 68:

Terramax:
Eh, sandbox games are overrated. And, besides graphics, they've hardly evolved since the PS2 era. Just added more fluff. Kojima has nothing to worry about.

you better get used to the "overrated" sandbox style because i have a feeling we're gonna see a LOT of those on the next gen x1 and ps4. I in my opinion love sandbox games they give you more to do after the story mode is over.

Indeed, they've flooded the market this generation already.

It surprises me how people always bang on about how over-saturated the market is with FPS, but don't point out the over saturation of sandbox games.

Not that I say they're all terrible. But they're often a scapegoat for good level design and creativity, relying more on realism, and expecting the gamer to make their own fun, rather than cleverly implemented fun moments by the designers.

cursedseishi:

Vrach:

cursedseishi:
Oh please...
If 4 was any indication, GTA 5 isn't going to be all that great unless Rockstar got their shit together. No game should ever feel the need to wear you down with incessant, clingy NPCs who take offense the second you don't want to hang out with them.

Their biggest worry should be Saints Row 4, but then again it isn't because it's not "Saints Row 5".

Wait you're trashing GTA IV while praising SR3? I felt SR3 was an absolute piece of wank and the fact they're going even further overboard with SR4 and throwing away everything that made SR2 great just leaves me with no interest in the game whatsoever. I played SR2 for countless hours, I was done with SR3 as soon as I went through the story and that didn't take long at all. The whole "oh look how wacky this stuff is" got old way too fast for me.

And have you even seen the trailers for GTA V? The man is not kidding, it looks absolutely amazing. I was not a big fan of GTA IV, the phone, the music, the grey-assed city, the annoying cliched protagonist, but it did a number of things well too. But GTA V is very clearly taking a lot of hints from what I consider to be their best game to date, San Andreas. They're bringing back the air and water and it looks to be quite a comeback. With three protagonists, it could lead to some very interesting scenarios and if their multiplayer has a 3 player co-op where you can go through the entire story together, I'll likely be looking at my favourite game ever.

First off, I gotta say this. Good job pulling that first line right out of your ass. Did I make mention of Saints Row 3 anywhere in my post? Nope. So I must congratulate you on extrapolating the "fact" that clearly I am praising Saints Row 3 as the bastion of Open World gameplay.

I would of mentioned Just Cause actually, but they're only up to 2, and that is much further from 5 than the only other major open-world title of similar style. And my entire point with that last line was jokingly referring to the "V vs. V" between the two games.

And yes. I have seen the trailers for GTA V, and yes there is a whole shit-ton of "coulds" and "mights" associated with the 3 protagonists and the like. But guess what? THAT'S ALL IT IS. Those trailers are worth about as much to me as the "Demo gameplay" footage for Aliens: Colonial Marines. Until I see some rock solid proof at launch, I could give a rats ass what they are tossing out there for the PR.

Whoa, hostility, why? I thought it was fair to assume you liked SR3 if you like SR4 (or at least, think it more of a competition than GTA V). SR4 seems to be SR3 with the element of "wacky" just blown up further and that element was the centre point of SR3.

And yeah, all we have on GTA V are trailers, but you could say the same for SR4 or any unreleased game, so I don't see the point of your argument. Sure, there are more trailers on SR4, but your argument is "even a game demo can be misleading" and a demo's as close as you get to the game before the full thing.

My point was that SR3's wackiness went overboard and SR4's just pushing further with it. I felt the great thing about SR2 was the amount of things you could do and the amount of freedom you had. SR3 in comparison made a really short campaign and the game felt like it had no substance. The wacky stuff got old fast and there wasn't as much to do in the game after you were done with the story.

GTA on the other hand is a well established franchise and while yes, some things sucked in GTA V, a lot of things worked too. Car driving was great, cover worked nicely, weapons felt good etc. GTA V's trailers, as I've said above, show that they're going back to San Andreas - they're adding air vehicles back in, you can explore underwater and all those "coulds" and "mights" are just a bonus that I think looks good from the trailer.

edit: oh and besides, as a PC gamer looking forward to a Rockstar game, I'm immune to their advertising fooling me. I'll have some 6 months to look over actual gameplay footage at launch before I get a port and pray it's not as shit as GTA IV :P

Vrach:

cursedseishi:

Vrach:

I would of mentioned Just Cause actually, but they're only up to 2, and that is much further from 5 than the only other major open-world title of similar style. And my entire point with that last line was jokingly referring to the "V vs. V" between the two games.

Whoa, hostility, why? I thought it was fair to assume you liked SR3 if you like SR4 (or at least, think it more of a competition than GTA V). SR4 seems to be SR3 with the element of "wacky" just blown up further and that element was the centre point of SR3.

Again, the entire single sentence or so I brought up Saints Row 4 was ONLY joking about the proximity GTA and MGS are currently sharing with their numbers. Like I said above, I actually prefer Just Cause moreso than either other game for its open-world fun. Nowhere was I saying I liked SR3, or SR4 for that matter. All I was saying was GTA 4 was below other games.

But I'll say it here though. I did enjoy SR 3, much more than I did GTA4, if solely for the fun you can have playing co-op seeing as it offers more to do with it. If GTA 4 allowed me to do story missions co-op, and had included some co-op centric diversions, it might of slipped back on top of SR 3.

And I wasn't referring to a demo of Aliens. I was referring to the "Demo Gameplay" footage they released all over the place before launch. You know, the footage that actually shown aliens as fully capable, deadly threats as they squeeze through and leap out from any space they can, and that big power loader with a flamethrower stomping and tearing through them near the end? The same footage that was claimed to be taken straight from the game, yet when we actually got the game it had none of it even close to being in there, and was actually uglier than the trailer footage itself to boot? The Escapist had at least a couple things dedicated to talking about it.

And I'll apologize for the hostility.

Headline should be "Kojima: A visionary robbed of his future".

But seriously,his team must be feeling good after such tweets,but then again we're talking about a guy who made that retarded Revengeance video where he showcased the failure of his company to the public.

cursedseishi:

Vrach:

cursedseishi:

I would of mentioned Just Cause actually, but they're only up to 2, and that is much further from 5 than the only other major open-world title of similar style. And my entire point with that last line was jokingly referring to the "V vs. V" between the two games.

Whoa, hostility, why? I thought it was fair to assume you liked SR3 if you like SR4 (or at least, think it more of a competition than GTA V). SR4 seems to be SR3 with the element of "wacky" just blown up further and that element was the centre point of SR3.

Again, the entire single sentence or so I brought up Saints Row 4 was ONLY joking about the proximity GTA and MGS are currently sharing with their numbers. Like I said above, I actually prefer Just Cause moreso than either other game for its open-world fun. Nowhere was I saying I liked SR3, or SR4 for that matter. All I was saying was GTA 4 was below other games.

But I'll say it here though. I did enjoy SR 3, much more than I did GTA4, if solely for the fun you can have playing co-op seeing as it offers more to do with it. If GTA 4 allowed me to do story missions co-op, and had included some co-op centric diversions, it might of slipped back on top of SR 3.

And I wasn't referring to a demo of Aliens. I was referring to the "Demo Gameplay" footage they released all over the place before launch. You know, the footage that actually shown aliens as fully capable, deadly threats as they squeeze through and leap out from any space they can, and that big power loader with a flamethrower stomping and tearing through them near the end? The same footage that was claimed to be taken straight from the game, yet when we actually got the game it had none of it even close to being in there, and was actually uglier than the trailer footage itself to boot? The Escapist had at least a couple things dedicated to talking about it.

And I'll apologize for the hostility.

Yeah, yeah, I got the joke, but I figured there was still a nugget of opinion there, and as you've said, you did like SR3 more than GTA IV, which was the point of my argument. I never got to try co-op in either game (I actually bought my friend copies of GTA IV and SR2 to that end and he's still to date never played it with me :( ), so I can't judge it on that point (if GTA V offers a 3 player full story co-op though, I'll get him the game and myself a quality bat... :P )

I was just disappointed with SR3 a lot because I loved SR2 for it's scope and all the things you could do. As I said before, I've played the game for countless hours and reinstalled it several times to play through it again, both for the story missions and the general screwing around potential afterwards. SR3... as soon as I was done with the story, and I was half-bored through most of it as well, I was done with it. I tried playing around in the open world, but it felt soulless and empty, nothing like SR2.

And I'm not up to date on the whole Aliens thing, so sorry for speaking out of my arse there. I did hear about the fiasco, but didn't delve too deep into it, the game never interested me. Still, I think Rockstar's a very reputable company and I think they're above fucking up like that. This is their star franchise too, to pull something like that... it'd ruin their reputation for good and GTA games aren't your annual bullshit releases. So, while I understand your skepticism (not just because of Aliens, it's generally wiser to be skeptical of advertisement), I believe they can and will pull off what they're promising, partly because they've done it before and most of it is polish (aside from the three protagonist's thing, still waiting to see how that goes, but I do have a good feeling about it for now).

As for JC2, no argument there, it's a brilliant game with tremendous open world potential. Only thing I hated about it was how easy it was to shake off cops. After I was done with the story, I wanted to do a lot of high speed chases across the map, but they're so easy to lose, even at the highest level, that I'd literally have to be driving like a granny to keep them on my tail >.<

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