Update: Street Fighter IV DLC Adds Five New Characters

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RaNDM G:
The last time Nintendo dropped the ball with an actual first-party game was with Skyward Sword.

I dispute that. I've been a longtime fan of Nintendo and I can say they've dropped the ball way more times. They seemed to have lost their footing around the end of the decade, with games such as Other M, Skyward Sword, Super Mario 3D Land and Sticker Star. Also, while Super Mario Galaxy 2 and the New Super Mario Bros series aren't horrible, they've got to be the laziest Nintendo games ever made. With the exception of a few new power ups in the NSMB sequels it seems all the work they did was reuse the art assets from the first NSMB/Galaxy and play around with a level editor. Methinks they've been playing around too much with Wii Fit or whatever it was they decided was more important than good solid First Party offerings.

The problem, of course, is that so many people (read: Game journalists) suck them off when they release a proper game that they don't know whether or not they're doing well or not. Even poor Wii U sales don't seem to have shaken them out of apathy.

gigastar:
We knew about this DLC since April. And we knew because Capcom has been taking community feedback from thier official sites on rebalancing the current SSF4:AE2012 cast.

Kheapathic:
Ugh Hugo... does anyone remember when his name was Andore? Because he was a subtle rip-off of Andre the Giant.

From...?

From Final Fight. Aside from Elena and the unannounced character, the three others are all from Final Fight. I just don't know why Capcom changed his name after already releasing a game with the character. The whole Vega/Balrog/Bison thing was concrete before Street Fighter was even released. But here, we had Andore who later became Hugo.

http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Andore_Family

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Vivi22:

RaNDM G:
This is literally the same exact game being released for the fourth time we're talking about.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand anything about fighting game balance. Which, granted, could be handled via patches these days, but why make people buy an outdated game and patch it and buy DLC as soon as they get in the door to remain current? Keeping the most updated version on shelves isn't necessarily a bad thing.

While true, Capcom has quite a history with crowded releases of Street Fighter games. They've gotten a bit better though, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be.

This makes me wonder, now that we have this latest update i wonder if the Wii U will get this. To my knowledge the Wii U has no fighting games other than Tekken, or are there more i'm unaware of?

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Pretty sure he's talking about Elena, as she's upside down in the pictures.

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

That's one sexy man.

Anywho they are just looking for drama.

Some people have become so sensitive to this sort of thing that its just not worth discussing. Totally overlooks that these characters are incredibly powerful with backstories. Nah, because they are dressed sexy they are just parodies.

According to the book All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Games, the characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females (or more specifically "newhalfs") due to the suggestion that "hitting women was considered rude" in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue.

Wow. Even back then Americans were apparently just looking for something to bitch about. Fascinating.

Learned something new today. Thanks for that.

No Alex, no sale.

Im done buying DLC that is sold around the price of a new game (admittedly not a new release)/

theultimateend:

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

That's one sexy man.

Anywho they are just looking for drama.

Some people have become so sensitive to this sort of thing that its just not worth discussing. Totally overlooks that these characters are incredibly powerful with backstories. Nah, because they are dressed sexy they are just parodies.

According to the book All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Games, the characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females (or more specifically "newhalfs") due to the suggestion that "hitting women was considered rude" in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue.

Wow. Even back then Americans were apparently just looking for something to bitch about. Fascinating.

Learned something new today. Thanks for that.

no they were newhalfs in their original concept art. there is no proof that they were originally supposed to be women

Yuuki:

Hi there, please look up what Nintendo and Activison/Treyarch have been doing for the past DECADE.

Not defending the practice, but Nintendo at least do the re-releases for their subsequent consoles, and Activision/Treyarch have technically new content.

Capcom literally releases the same game, on the same console, with a couple extras added. Doing this once is fine, doing this twice is questionable. Doing it more than that makes you look strange.

Gailim:
no they were newhalfs in their original concept art. there is no proof that they were originally supposed to be women

Ironically I read your post wrong and got sassy. edit: I think this is the first time in my life I've heard the term "newhalfs". This being "today".

Terminology for different kinds of people seems to grow every day.

Censorship[edit]
When Final Fight was ported to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, an American playtester working for Capcom reviewed the content during the localization process with one of the Japanese designers, and objected to the protagonist hitting females. Akira Yasuda pointed that the "female" enemies were actually transvestites, and despite his objections,[7] Poison and Roxy were replaced with regular male punks named "Billy" and "Sid" in the English localization.[30] This change has been repeated with every English port to Nintendo consoles, including the Game Boy Advance version Final Fight One and the Wii's Virtual Console.[31][32] English versions of the Sega CD port censored the characters in a different manner, redrawing both with longer shirts and shorts, and covering the under-cleavage shown when the characters were struck.[27]

You appear to be correct. Not that I cared either way. The point that the original citation was calling is still true.

People freaked out in the US about them possibly being women.

OMG! Evo SFIV finals are starting and I am hype as hell after the UMvC amazing top 8.

As for this thread. It is kinda curious, as an avid PvP video game fan I am very positive about this DLC releases. They rebalance, add new depth and keep the game fresh and strong till the new release; and Capcom has done a beautiful job balancing SFIV, well worth buying it 2-3 times.

Zachary Amaranth:
Stop trying to rationalise my blind hatred, dammit!

>.>

No.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
How many hours have you spent playing any of the Street Fighter 4's? Because speaking as someone who plays it a lot, the changes are huge from release to release. A lot more than adding a new map or some new guns. Or in the case of Nintendo, remaking Windwaker with a new item or two.

To be fair, not a lot. Street Fighter isn't my fighter of choice. Even so, balance changes can be patched. Capcom could just as easily produce more copies of SFIV with a $20 price tag, then add the $15 DLC on top of that.

Think about that. Two different copies of the same game. One for $35 (base game + DLC that adds everything) and one for $40 (already comes with everything). That five dollars adds up for every new copy sold.

It's been eleven years since Wind Waker. It's been two years since SFIV: Arcade. At least Wind Waker is getting an HD overhaul.

Vivi22:
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand anything about fighting game balance. Which, granted, could be handled via patches these days, but why make people buy an outdated game and patch it and buy DLC as soon as they get in the door to remain current? Keeping the most updated version on shelves isn't necessarily a bad thing.

My problem is with Capcom charging $40 retail and marketing this as the definitive version. Any uneducated buyer would burn $40 dollars on what they think is a brand new experience, rather than save money by buying used and paying for the DLC. It's not a good deal, even for new players.

Kamille Bidan:
I dispute that. I've been a longtime fan of Nintendo and I can say they've dropped the ball way more times. They seemed to have lost their footing around the end of the decade, with games such as Other M, Skyward Sword, Super Mario 3D Land and Sticker Star. Also, while Super Mario Galaxy 2 and the New Super Mario Bros series aren't horrible, they've got to be the laziest Nintendo games ever made. With the exception of a few new power ups in the NSMB sequels it seems all the work they did was reuse the art assets from the first NSMB/Galaxy and play around with a level editor. Methinks they've been playing around too much with Wii Fit or whatever it was they decided was more important than good solid First Party offerings.

I won't argue with that. Still, my original response was to someone talking over the past ten years. Nintendo's slump only started around 2010, and I singled out Skyward Sword since that game was, I think, the most disappointing.

Nintendo looks like it has a decent line-up next year, so crossed fingers for them.

Looks nice, but with DoA5 Ultimate coming out in August/September I have no reason to get this right away, especially since I'm much better at DoA.

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Not really, especially not in America. It seems like I read in an interview somewhere that, just in America, Poison is post-op trans-sexual... so basically a female. In Japan, however, she just "tucks."

Oh a DLC that will upgrade a fighting game to its latest version... seems like the world is soon to end.

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Girl, no matter how you slice it. :/

Come on how many threads have we had on this subject? And all that aside how many men do you know can wear heels like that, have hips like that and boobs like that?

If you called her a man to anyone, you'd get funny looks.

captcha: pipe down.

et tu captcha?

Branovices:

Dreiko:

QuiB25:
"What the fuck is this? These pictures look like a fucking parody of videogame sexualization. The article completely ignores that girl's lit up upside-down asscheeks hanging out of her suit. I can't be alone in this. I wonder if anyone in the comments section is complaining about this disgustingly blatant fan-service."

"Nope. They all seem cool with it...I'm out."

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Not really, especially not in America. It seems like I read in an interview somewhere that, just in America, Poison is post-op trans-sexual... so basically a female. In Japan, however, she just "tucks."

I thought she was a girl in Japan, and a trans in the US because of feminist problems?

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Branovices:

Dreiko:

Uhh...is Poison perhaps the "girl" you're speaking about..?

I guess you don't know...but that's a dude. :P

Not really, especially not in America. It seems like I read in an interview somewhere that, just in America, Poison is post-op trans-sexual... so basically a female. In Japan, however, she just "tucks."

I thought she was a girl in Japan, and a trans in the US because of feminist problems?

I looked into it:

"Street Fighter IV's producer Yoshinori Ono, when asked in an interview about the matter, stated "Let's set the record straight: In North America, Poison is officially a post-op transsexual. But in Japan, she simply tucks her business away to look female.""
- Leone, Matt (January 2008). "The Big Comeback". Electronic Gaming Monthly (224): p. 68

Branovices:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Branovices:

Not really, especially not in America. It seems like I read in an interview somewhere that, just in America, Poison is post-op trans-sexual... so basically a female. In Japan, however, she just "tucks."

I thought she was a girl in Japan, and a trans in the US because of feminist problems?

I looked into it:

"Street Fighter IV's producer Yoshinori Ono, when asked in an interview about the matter, stated "Let's set the record straight: In North America, Poison is officially a post-op transsexual. But in Japan, she simply tucks her business away to look female.""
- Leone, Matt (January 2008). "The Big Comeback". Electronic Gaming Monthly (224): p. 68

Fair enough. Games need more diverse characters, and she's a fun character at least.

Hey, I love tits, but Poison just looks silly. How can anyone fight with breasts bigger than their head?

Lovely Mixture:

Yuuki:

Hi there, please look up what Nintendo and Activison/Treyarch have been doing for the past DECADE.

Not defending the practice, but Nintendo at least do the re-releases for their subsequent consoles, and Activision/Treyarch have technically new content.

Capcom literally releases the same game, on the same console, with a couple extras added. Doing this once is fine, doing this twice is questionable. Doing it more than that makes you look strange.

"Couple extras"?

How about 5 characters, with new movesets, AIs, animations, and voices? Or a new game mode? Or a constant balancing of movesets, which is much harder to do with smaller patches?

Why do I bother? I argue this point about Madden, but no one outside the fans of the game get how large these add-ons are. I would argue that Super and Ultra were about the same level of DLC as Secret Armory of General Knoxx.

Poison is a post-op transexual in the same way that every other female character in the game is a post-op transexual. You could put all their names in a hat, have the producer pull out one to be the post-op transexual, and people would be just as likely to buy it. Because it's stupid.

so who's the 5th character?
Asura
MegaMan
Skullmania!

I don't know why I think it's Charlie but either way I just want to see what they do to Juri, they reduce her speed which made her horrible to play so I hope Ultra adds her speed back. And they seriously need to do something about Oni

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Lovely Mixture:

Yuuki:

Hi there, please look up what Nintendo and Activison/Treyarch have been doing for the past DECADE.

Not defending the practice, but Nintendo at least do the re-releases for their subsequent consoles, and Activision/Treyarch have technically new content.

Capcom literally releases the same game, on the same console, with a couple extras added. Doing this once is fine, doing this twice is questionable. Doing it more than that makes you look strange.

"Couple extras"?

How about 5 characters, with new movesets, AIs, animations, and voices? Or a new game mode? Or a constant balancing of movesets, which is much harder to do with smaller patches?

Why do I bother? I argue this point about Madden, but no one outside the fans of the game get how large these add-ons are. I would argue that Super and Ultra were about the same level of DLC as Secret Armory of General Knoxx.

Admittedly poor wording on my part.

I'm not arguing DLC costs here though, I'm just arguing that their need to keep re-releasing is getting excessive.

They released Super two years after the original. Fine, that's two years worth of DLC and content, and it's a bargain for newcomers.
Fourteen months after that, they released Super: Arcade Edition. Ok fine, it's for hardcore players who want new moves and one new character. They state this is THE FINAL iteration of SFIV, additional content will solely be updates and DLC.

Now they're releasing Ultra as both DLC and a stand-alone game. Why do they need to release another "new copy" ? They can't just release it as DLC or as a expansion disc? If the fans want it, they'll pay the 15 dollars no need to invalidate their previous purchases.

Admittedly this might be a trivial thing to critique.

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