Pacific Rim Beaten by Adam Sandler at Box Office

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I dunno i think it's got a decent chance of making it's money over a longer run the people at the studio had to know it was probably gonna go down this way.

It's not like they did a Dredd with it and release it at a limited number of cinemas in 3D only i mean they must have been huffing glue to think that was a winning strategy.

On the subject of Grown Ups 2:
I actually had the chance to go into an American cinema - in Downtown Disney in Florida, no less! - To see Monsters University (Good as always for a Pixar movie) and Heat (Pretty good, yeah.)
Grown Ups 2 ads came up both times, and there was some pretty heavy laughter both times - the second time more then the first, probably because kids were in the audience of the first film and didn't get the jokes.
Me, I was busy flipping middle fingers at the screen over the stupid "Oh har har look a bunch of gay guys are cleaning a car this is very uncomfortable for the main character!" shit, but I won't deny that people - normal semi-upper-middle-I-dunno-really class people (They can afford to get to Downtown Disney, people, that says SOMETHING about their income) were laughing.
Were there some Pacific Rim adverts there too? Maybe, I can't remember. They sort of got lost in the shuffle, along with World War Z and such.
Maybe that's the issue there - the adverts are getting a bit too over-saturated with gritty fighty si-fi movies, and your average movie goer can't remember which was the one with the robots and which were the ones with the zombies. (Hell, my own mother couldn't tell there even WERE Zombies in World War Z, she thought it was a World War type film!) Oh, but they can remember that one with Chris Rock and Adam Sandler in it! That looked pretty funny, lets go see that.

Then again, I could just be forgetting it because I didn't take it seriously because the name "Pacific Rim" sounds like it belongs in a porno movie more then a mecha-suit one.
Hey, I was on a three week vacation, people! You can't expect me to do that proper thinking crap ALL the time.

Still, I'm not going to panic and proclaim this the death of all good movies ever because the L.C.D. is ruining EVERYTHING and so on. We've had 3 transformer movies, and now we're getting this, which is apparently another transformer movie under a different name - for better and worse. This stuff isn't dying out anytime soon, by the looks of things.

That's it, I'm fucking done. Get the guns, ladies and gents, 'cause we're going on a witchhunt to kill every mutha fucka who watched Grown Ups 2 instead of Pacific Rim. Show no mercy.

Sonic Doctor:

RedEyesBlackGamer:

Yeah, the reviews I've seen are pretty masturbatory. It isn't that good. The main characters' robot does almost all the fighting and it is utterly predictable. I think that it being full of cliches was intentional, but it means that you will never be surprised. It was entertaining, but it was not the second coming of Jesus.

A movie can be great without surprise. I wasn't particularly wanting to go see Despicable Me 2, I'm just not a kids movie type of person, but since my friends decided to go see it, I did go with them. I pretty much saw everything that happened in that movie coming a mile away. It was very predictable.

Yet....I still laughed my ass off, enjoyed it immensely, and say it is a great movie and a must see.

Seriously, if I had to be surprised by everything and everything had to be ground-breaking for me to call it great, amazing, and wonderfully entertaining to me, I would be an extremely bored as well as boring person. Really it isn't about how surprising a movie is, it is about how well a movie does old concepts.

I will be going to see Pacific Rim next week, an considering I don't need to be "surprised", I'm most likely going to love it, and probably as much as everybody else that is gushing over it.

Pretty much as Bob said about Pacific Rim, it is refreshing to see new IP in an industry that seems to not know how to make new IP anymore and is just relying on remakes sequels.

Considering how the things like J.J. Abrams trashing up the Star Trek franchise happens these days, I wish more movie makers would just go to the drawing board and make something new, new I.P., even if it uses predictable points from other movies.

Off-T: Seriously though, we need to run J.J. Abrams out of the industry, or at least make it so he can only work on movies that are 100% of his own making and bar him from doing "re-imaginings". Seriously, that guy and his team of writers are worth crap, when it comes to working on existing I.P., they don't know the meaning of the word respect, the only word they know is ruin.

It was fun, but I don't see the gushing. Maybe it is because we finally have a benchmark for giant robot combat. Michael Bay could watch it and take notes. Combat has weight, feeling, spectacle, and you can actually tell what is going on.

Pacific Rim had to compete with an MTG pre-release for my free time this past weekend. One of these things can still be done, the other can't. Guess which one got my money?
Spoiler, I'll probably go see Pacific Rim later, because I can.

Casual Shinji:
I haven't seen either movie, but can we maybe, kinda, sorta stop pretending like Pacific Rim is this landmark in filmmaking? It's just a big monster movie... That's basically it from what I've seen and heard. We've had plenty of those.

The movie apparently is doing quite well even, yet still people are complaining that another more shallow movie is beating it at the box office. Talk about sour grapes.

To you sir i give my entire collection of interweb cookies. The thing that makes me "Not want to live on this planet anymore/weep for humanity" is the degree to which the internet is collectively losing it's mind over this so called travesty.

The action was entertaining granted, but this is about as dumb as film making gets, it had a shoddy narrative and even the parts that tried to be clever failed pretty hard. Not to mention that box office standings are one of the biggest imaginary pissing contests of all time. The only thing that is relevant in terms of a film's success from a financial standpoint are it's earnings compared to it's budget (which i'm more than sure it will clear).

RedEyesBlackGamer:

Sonic Doctor:

RedEyesBlackGamer:

Yeah, the reviews I've seen are pretty masturbatory. It isn't that good. The main characters' robot does almost all the fighting and it is utterly predictable. I think that it being full of cliches was intentional, but it means that you will never be surprised. It was entertaining, but it was not the second coming of Jesus.

A movie can be great without surprise. I wasn't particularly wanting to go see Despicable Me 2, I'm just not a kids movie type of person, but since my friends decided to go see it, I did go with them. I pretty much saw everything that happened in that movie coming a mile away. It was very predictable.

Yet....I still laughed my ass off, enjoyed it immensely, and say it is a great movie and a must see.

Seriously, if I had to be surprised by everything and everything had to be ground-breaking for me to call it great, amazing, and wonderfully entertaining to me, I would be an extremely bored as well as boring person. Really it isn't about how surprising a movie is, it is about how well a movie does old concepts.

I will be going to see Pacific Rim next week, an considering I don't need to be "surprised", I'm most likely going to love it, and probably as much as everybody else that is gushing over it.

Pretty much as Bob said about Pacific Rim, it is refreshing to see new IP in an industry that seems to not know how to make new IP anymore and is just relying on remakes sequels.

Considering how the things like J.J. Abrams trashing up the Star Trek franchise happens these days, I wish more movie makers would just go to the drawing board and make something new, new I.P., even if it uses predictable points from other movies.

Off-T: Seriously though, we need to run J.J. Abrams out of the industry, or at least make it so he can only work on movies that are 100% of his own making and bar him from doing "re-imaginings". Seriously, that guy and his team of writers are worth crap, when it comes to working on existing I.P., they don't know the meaning of the word respect, the only word they know is ruin.

It was fun, but I don't see the gushing. Maybe it is because we finally have a benchmark for giant robot combat. Michael Bay could watch it and take notes. Combat has weight, feeling, spectacle, and you can actually tell what is going on.

I think one of the big things is individual taste. I personally loved Pacific Rim and I am one of the people who cannot say enough good about it. Easily the best movie I have seen in theaters this year. But this is a movie pretty much tailored to make me love it and I can easily see why others might not.

The movie is not high art but it never tried to be. By setting its sights lower it was able to achieve a high degree of excellence on the things that matter in a pure action vehicle.

I don't even get the hype over this film, but then, 'it doesn't have Adam Sandler in it' is quite a selling point I guess.

Pacific Rim will undoubtedly get more Blu ray sales.

Am not surprised at all. Dumb people watch Sandler movies. They are the common denominator.

Flatfrog:
I don't think I've ever disliked a movie as much as Pacific Rim. Sorry, people - and MovieBob, I know you love giant monster movies but Jesus, you should not have let this movie get away with being as dumb and cliched as it was.

I genuinely don't understand the big love this movie is getting here.

Everyone has different tastes man. Not getting on you, but if you dislike a movie I can understand and nod in respect but asking why there's a lot of love for the movie.... well...

First off, it has been a long time since we've gotten a monster movie about monsters fighting. Second, there are giant robots that fight monsters. That's pretty new in terms of what we've been getting in the making (mainly superhero movies, cop movies, ect.) thus it's going to spark interest. Now, what makes it amazing isn't because of the fighting alone. Transformers had fighting with giant robots too but here's the difference:

    - Transformers fighting is choppy, filled with unnecessary explosions in the background, and you couldn't tell what was happening.

    - Pacific Rim did everything right in the fighting. You could exactly tell what was happening because the robots and monsters fought slowly, yet in such a way it looked epic because of their enormous sizes. It made sense for them to fight slower due to their mass along the fact it was visually impressive in graphics.

In other words, Pacific Rim made the fights so good it was like you were there. It was creative, well played out and didn't drag out. Not to mention that there were other designs and great structure towards both the robots and monsters to get you more engaged as they fought. Most people didn't go seeing this movie for deep story telling and depth really... we wanted awesome fights and they surpassed our expectations.

Don't get me wrong, the faults are there too with the characters being cliche' and silly, but overall the fights topped those faults by a long shot. People who enjoyed Godzilla movies, or wanted something to be brought that the Transformers couldn't... it was given.

OT: I'm really, really sad to see how a sequel that looked sort of bad topped the best movie in 2013 in my opinion. Then again, it's the advertising and the public knowledge that harmed Pacific Rim. If it was done differently or have gotten more word, maybe we might of seen a difference. But alas, we all knew Despicable Me 2 was going to take #1 and i'm fine with that.

Teoes:
That makes very, very sad. You there! It's your fault! Go see Pacific Rim to try and rectify the issue. It's fun.

Why are you blaming me?! I saw it first showing on Friday!! The Hell man...

What if this is the penalty of living in a demographic computer literate enough to download the movie in a week rather than going to pay for a ticket? What if this is something that isnt about other people being stupid but is our own fault?

Teoes:
That makes very, very sad. You there! It's your fault! Go see Pacific Rim to try and rectify the issue. It's fun.

Alternatively, anyone else think we should send a Jaeger after Adam Sandler and see who's laughing then?

I would say a Kaiju just to see him poisoned by Kaiju Blue and maybe have his legs eroded off by that acid

This sucks balls. I get Despicable Me 2, it's a light hearted animation that continues from a well received movie with the funny characters and the minions returning(say what you will about the original, the minions made me laugh like crazy) . Grown Ups 2, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE ADAM SANDLER DO HIS HORRIBLE GIG AGAIN?

Caramel Frappe:

In other words, Pacific Rim made the fights so good it was like you were there. It was creative, well played out and didn't drag out. Not to mention that there were other designs and great structure towards both the robots and monsters to get you more engaged as they fought. Most people didn't go seeing this movie for deep story telling and depth really... we wanted awesome fights and they surpassed our expectations.

...

OT: I'm really, really sad to see how a sequel that looked sort of bad topped the best movie in 2013 in my opinion.

But that's the thing, really. I mean - yes, I'm not going to give anything to Grown Ups 2 (not that I know or care anything about it, but I certainly wouldn't expect much of it! Although Sandler was outstanding in Funny People) but no matter how much Pacific Rim might appeal to the limited demographic of the Escapist, I think it isn't surprising that that appeal hasn't translated into a major breakout success (not that it's by any means a failure!). It's very, very hard to get genre movies to appeal to audiences without any recognition factor. This is a movie with no major stars, no existing IP to relate to (apart from the 'it's basically Godzilla meets Power Rangers' hook), and whose only real selling point is 'It has great fight scenes'. I don't think that's enough.

Consider the real breakout hits in genre movie history. Kung Fu movies are a great example (I just happened to be watching 'Snake In The Eagle's Shadow' for the first time today - simultaneously awful and glorious). So for years there were many cheesy kung fu movies coming out of Hong Kong, the equivalent of the Japanese monster movies. To the untrained eye they all look silly, although to afficionados there are some gems in there which are easy to miss because while they look just as bad on the surface, actually they have some great characters or ideas or fight scenes. But you have to love the genre as a whole to devote the time to finding those gems.

Then came Enter The Dragon. It was different for a number of reasons. Obviously, it had a higher budget and was marketed better. But it also was genuinely good. It had a story that was well told, great directing and cinematography, snappy dialogue and a joyful storytelling that could appeal to the audiences who *didn't* care about the fight scenes. It could bring those audiences in, and that's why it managed to break out of the genre ghetto.

Much later you also find Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, which took the next step and managed to appeal even to the more 'arty' types. It wasn't just entertainment, it was in some way a 'proper' film.

I think you can say the same about the other genres too. In SF you can think of Star Wars and of 2001; in comic book movies there was Superman and Batman, and more recently Avengers and The Dark Knight; in fantasy there's Harry Potter. These are the ones that make the real money, the ones that manage to go beyond the genre and deliver great stories and character *as well* as giant robots hitting each other.

And yes, I know Transformers made a shitload of money. That's because they had a lot more name power behind them, but also, I hate to say it, because they broke up the giant robot fights with a story about some kid getting a girlfriend. And while that annoyed the Transformers geeks, it appealed to the vast majority of other people.

So - tl;dr: whatever its merits as a giant robot smackdown, I don't think it's a big surprise that Pacific Rim is only going to be a moderate success and not a major breakout hit.

Caramel Frappe:

Flatfrog:
I don't think I've ever disliked a movie as much as Pacific Rim. Sorry, people - and MovieBob, I know you love giant monster movies but Jesus, you should not have let this movie get away with being as dumb and cliched as it was.

I genuinely don't understand the big love this movie is getting here.

Everyone has different tastes man. Not getting on you, but if you dislike a movie I can understand and nod in respect but asking why there's a lot of love for the movie.... well...

First off, it has been a long time since we've gotten a monster movie about monsters fighting. Second, there are giant robots that fight monsters. That's pretty new in terms of what we've been getting in the making (mainly superhero movies, cop movies, ect.) thus it's going to spark interest. Now, what makes it amazing isn't because of the fighting alone. Transformers had fighting with giant robots too but here's the difference:

    - Transformers fighting is choppy, filled with unnecessary explosions in the background, and you couldn't tell what was happening.

    - Pacific Rim did everything right in the fighting. You could exactly tell what was happening because the robots and monsters fought slowly, yet in such a way it looked epic because of their enormous sizes. It made sense for them to fight slower due to their mass along the fact it was visually impressive in graphics.

In other words, Pacific Rim made the fights so good it was like you were there. It was creative, well played out and didn't drag out. Not to mention that there were other designs and great structure towards both the robots and monsters to get you more engaged as they fought. Most people didn't go seeing this movie for deep story telling and depth really... we wanted awesome fights and they surpassed our expectations.

Don't get me wrong, the faults are there too with the characters being cliche' and silly, but overall the fights topped those faults by a long shot. People who enjoyed Godzilla movies, or wanted something to be brought that the Transformers couldn't... it was given.

OT: I'm really, really sad to see how a sequel that looked sort of bad topped the best movie in 2013 in my opinion. Then again, it's the advertising and the public knowledge that harmed Pacific Rim. If it was done differently or have gotten more word, maybe we might of seen a difference. But alas, we all knew Despicable Me 2 was going to take #1 and i'm fine with that.

Personally, I liked the characters and while the drama could have been better, it was serviceable enough for me to emphasize with the pilots of the Gypsy Danger and the Marshal.

Here is the odd thing; this movie, as discussed by me and my friends, was pretty much banking on an extremely small portion of the American audience but a Large portion of the Asian market. Kaiju and Mecha fans are hard to find in America as they are usually only found in conventions and clubs because of limited appeal (though why giant nuclear laser lizards and mechs that can destroy armies has limited appeal I can't fully understand).

But Asia, especially Japan, has a heritage of Kaiju and Mecha. Giant robots as we know it was started by Mazinger Z with Gundam helping to develop them to more realistic standards (only slightly but still noticeable); Gundam to this day has a massive following in Japan as one of the biggest metaseries in the coutnry. Kaiju, as stated in Critical Intel, has been a staple of Japan's media as expressive of national issues and with the tsunami/earthquake/Fukishima, Kaiju are perfect as symbols of those forces and will make a big impact in Japan.

Even the international sale number says so, Almost 3 times the amount in the US and i bet a good portion is in the Japanese, Korean and Chinese market.

+1 to OP mentality. I do find it sad given how great the video was in terms of action quality. I mean it easily out does transformers in sheer volumes when it comes to robot action scenes. Would almost dare to say that 50% of the movie is just amazing CGI robot action that everyone wants. Not like transformers sad 30% or less.

Flatfrog:
Big Snip

I must say, your examples and statements were impressive. I admire what you had to say fellow Escapist.

I actually, also... have to agree. Despite that I loved Pacific Rim with a passion and wished for more visuals like that- the other genres and big hitting movies you've mentioned had power behind them because it was well recognized. Even Transformers made a lot for a few sequels because there was a lot to remember in the day about Transformers.

I still give Pacific Rim a 9 out of 10... but, if they did make the characters more serious and less cliche' along the lines of the movie not pausing to show funny scenes (you'll know what I mean), maybe the movie would of stood out more. Not to mention it didn't have that many well known actors apart from 2. Mmh.. perhaps it'll pick up next time around.

Since you brought up Kung Fu movies... I believe the plot is as important as the fight scenes as you mentioned. Because if no plot is involved with weak characters, who will we end up caring about? Who shall we end up rooting for? Perhaps all we'll feel at the end is 'the fighting was good'. Maybe that's how some shall see Pacific Rim and I can't blame them, but I tolerated the cheesy characters and simple plot, loving the bits of fighting. Still, you made some great points Flatfrog.

Cue endless stream of geek elitism over their entertainment choices...

Shinkicker444:
Interestingly enough, I've heard from some folks I know that live in asia where the film has opened the cinema's are packed.

That makes scene as it seems to be focused on the foreign market. The fact that Kojima calls it the Ultimate Otaku Movie should pretty much explain it: this movie is aimed towards a lot of mecha and kaiju fans which reside in large numbers in Asia, especially China, Korea and Japan. I've seen the movie and it definably lives up to the moniker; I saw references to Evangelion, the jaegers look like old gundam designs and the Kaiju look like Old Godzilla designs but with modern textures and movements.

Regardless, Pacific Rim is not going to flop at this rate, a total of 129 million is sure to make up the costs of production and del Toro will have enough goodwill to make the Mountains of Madness movie he wanted to do.

Izanagi009:

Here is the odd thing; this movie, as discussed by me and my friends, was pretty much banking on an extremely small portion of the American audience but a Large portion of the Asian market.

Good call. I didn't consider that and you're right, that could make an enormous difference. It's a bit like that weird Top Cat movie that came out last year - it was completely baffling to see that anyone had made it, but it all fell into place when you learned it was made primarily for a South American market where Top Cat is a much bigger deal, and only really released elsewhere as an afterthought.

I'd watch it this instant, but I'm gonna watch it with my anime geek friend after he returns from abroad work this fall. :(

Well, camaraderie built with drinking games while watching mecha animes is a hard one to die.

Chatboy 91:
I'm telling everyone I can to go see it.

If you're looking for a rich character-developing narrative, Pacific Rim isn't that kind of movie. It's an amazing action movie, and well worth seeing for that alone. IT HAS A GIANT ROBOT USING A TANKER BOAT AS A SWORD! NUFF SAID.

I could argue that it had least have some character development. Yeah, Mako, Stacker, and Becket aren't the best characters but they had interesting backstories and had enough development to be considered more grown at the end than at the beginning.

Compared to Transformers ( I don't want to bring the argument up but it's the closest comparison) and you get Sam with very little development, Fox's character is just a walking doll and the Transformers themselves don't grow and are standard as hell.

Aiddon:

Fulbert:

Oh lol, and let me guess, they are killed off like 15 minutes into the film because Russians make great casualties.

My ex told me the other day she was invited to watch this film by an acquaintance of hers. I thought inviting a girl you fancy to watch a huge mecha drama is a very adorable thing to do so I said go for it. Hope she does.

They and the Chinese pilots barely get any lines. Plus the Russians are of course monstrous ubermensches (Sasha being played by 5'9" Heather Doerksen and Aleksis by 7' wrestler Robert Maillet). I will give for having the central characters being comprised of two Aussies, a Brit, a Japanese woman, and ONE American...but at the end of the day the American is the main character.

Anyway, hopefully this has legs. Apparently it's been kicking ass in Asia. I would like to see a sequel if just to see what other Jaeger designs they could come up with.

fair enough that the Chinese and Russian pilots are not given any lines but they get across what they are: military minded people who work well in formation (the Chinese triplets playing basketball in perfect sync and Russians having bodies that look out of Spetsnaz training)

the Aussies were interesting with recognizable personalties. Idris Elba does the tough Marshall role with a heaviness and commitment that I like. Kikuchi's Mako is basically a more expressive form of Rei Ayanami (the blue highlights were a dead giveaway) but I still understood her pain and Hunnam conveys the pain of being with people somewhat well.

All and all, the characters are pretty much out of TVtropes but still enjoyable.

P.S. if we have future Jaeger designs, del Toro should look to the Gundam Series, great stuff there with beam sabers, fin funnels, and mobility that rivals fighter planes

Meh...

The real sting is that it was beaten by another half-assed SNL reunion special. Even American Otaku describe it as a B minus effort. While it will be vindicated by worldwide box office numbers in the long run, it won't be the darling of the American cinema this summer. And while there's probably a little irritation that the only original nerd movie out this summer didn't make a significant cultural impact, it's the fact that middle-aged men telling fart jokes beat it that gets under everyone's skin.

Still, even Moviebob couldn't have expected any different (okay, no one saw the sequel to Grownups taking the number two spot) since even he had to beg American audiences to go see it. While not exactly an untested formula to the pocket protector crowd, this is pretty high-concept for your standard popcorn-muncher. It may not be a no-brainer to us, with all of it's in-jokes and references to Kaiju and Mecha, but yeah, those things are well outside the grasp of your average US moviegoer.

Still, expect huge US box office numbers when American audiences and critics try to show how 'with it' they are when it blows up internationally. Theaters will have more showings, and the PR machine will run with the international numbers.

Also, expect the PR for "Enders Game" to change based on how domestic audiences respond (perhaps by placing a gag order on Card). It already looks like Halo with tweens in the previews so...about twice that. I predict the opposite of what's happening here. The faithful will hate the previews but absolutely love the movie.

I hate to say it, but if projects like this are going to succeed, advertising to the nerds isn't a good idea. We only needed one shot of a skyscraper sized robot/monster to throw our money at it.

Flatfrog:
I don't think I've ever disliked a movie as much as Pacific Rim. Sorry, people - and MovieBob, I know you love giant monster movies but Jesus, you should not have let this movie get away with being as dumb and cliched as it was.

I genuinely don't understand the big love this movie is getting here. I mean - sure, giant robots punching monsters in the face, it's fun enough in its way but *everything* about this movie was stupid. The plot was just like spending half an hour on TVTropes - when Idris Elba came in suited up I literally facepalmed. That fucking 'British Professor' character *actually said 'By Jove' at one stage*. And wrote equations on a giant blackboard.

And the big sword. The Big Fucking Sword! They might as well have joined the robots together into a giant MegaZorg.

Ok, I am calling you out here. Why exactly is a giant robot having a sword so dumb? And how is it any more dumb than, say, a man dressing up as a bat and fighting crime? Or a man getting really angry and turning into a green rage monster? Or Hawkeye using a bow against technologically advanced aliens?

How is Pacific Rim being cliched worse than, for example, Captain America, which is basically a movie about a walking cliche? Or the Avengers? I mean, Nick Fury actually reports to a room full of shadowy figures. The Avengers save the world with the power of friendship. All the aliens die when the mothership explodes for no reason. In fact, you could say that the plot of The Avengers is like spending a half hour on TV tropes. Why are Pacific Rim's cliches so much worse?

Please, explain.

Why does adam sandler need to exist!

rhizhim:

So, even when the armor/suit isn't skin tight and form-fitting, they still decided to give the women tit armor anyway. Seriously? What the fuck is the point of having perky fucking armor?

I guess that can just go in the pile of unoriginal crap that we should all overlook because it's a big budget kaiju movie and a new IP.

EDIT:

DrOswald:
Ok, I am calling you out here. Why exactly is a giant robot having a sword so dumb? And how is it any more dumb than, say, a man dressing up as a bat and fighting crime? Or a man getting really angry and turning into a green rage monster? Or Hawkeye using a bow against technologically advanced aliens?

I wouldn't say it's dumb to have a giant sword, but it's not exactly an inspired and innovative weapon, that is apparently forgotten about because it would end most fights in a boring and quick way.

How is Pacific Rim being cliched worse than, for example, Captain America, which is basically a movie about a walking cliche? Or the Avengers? I mean, Nick Fury actually reports to a room full of shadowy figures. The Avengers save the world with the power of friendship. All the aliens die when the mothership explodes for no reason. In fact, you could say that the plot of The Avengers is like spending a half hour on TV tropes. Why are Pacific Rim's cliches so much worse?

I'd say a big difference between PR and the Avengers is that the former is an original IP, while the Avengers is a film based off a comic where the people making it are striving to stay somewhat close to the source material. And while the source material might be littered with cliched crap, you can't exactly blame the film version for doing it in a relatively similar way. An original IP, OTOH, has absolutely no excuse other than laziness and shit writing to explain why they're doomed to be remembered as a cliche storm by everyone not blinded by the pretty fight scenes.

DrOswald:

Ok, I am calling you out here. Why exactly is a giant robot having a sword so dumb?

Because it was the final straw that destroyed any last remnant of hope that I was watching anything other than a Power Rangers movie. It was *exactly* the same as the moment from any Power Rangers episode where the monster defeats their current arsenal of weapons so they bring out one more even more stupid master weapon. The one that has become a particular (mis)quote in our house is, I think, from Mystic Force - 'unleash the bee'. And you always find yourself saying 'if that weapon's so damn effective why didn't you use it from the start?

And how is it any more dumb than, say, a man dressing up as a bat and fighting crime? Or a man getting really angry and turning into a green rage monster? Or Hawkeye using a bow against technologically advanced aliens?

Oh, it isn't. And I can cope with silly big dumb movies just fine. But they need to have some kind of lightness of tone that makes you willing to play along.

I know what this reminded me of:

How is Pacific Rim being cliched worse than, for example, Captain America, which is basically a movie about a walking cliche? Or the Avengers? I mean, Nick Fury actually reports to a room full of shadowy figures. The Avengers save the world with the power of friendship. All the aliens die when the mothership explodes for no reason. In fact, you could say that the plot of The Avengers is like spending a half hour on TV tropes. Why are Pacific Rim's cliches so much worse?

Well, I can't go comparing it with everything, but ok, let's pick The Avengers (I thought Captain America was pretty stupid too TBH). That worked because it engaged me with the characters, who were well drawn, with conflicts between them between them that gave us some reason to care about them above and beyond the crisis they were facing. It felt that the story followed the characters, not the other way round. It helped that there was a villain with a motive and some kind of personal connection to the characters, and that the escalations of the peril were not just quantitative ('What category monster is it?' 'Category five!') but qualitative (Oh, so his plan was not this but that).

Is that enough? I could probably give you more but I'd have to watch Avengers again if I wanted to go into any more detail.

hey man, I did my part I saw it 3 times this weekend, and am probably gonna see it a couple more times this week.

wulfgar_red:
who the hell watches Adam Sandler movies?

Pacific Rim is stupid movie. a good-stupid movie. it is worth watching.

I do, quite often actually but I generally stick to the classics. Kind of enjoyed Grown Ups, but have you seen Reign Over Me? Very powerful movie.

OT: The sequel to Grown Ups looks terrible, and the Adam Sandler movies these last few years seem....uninspired. Pacific Rim looks kind of cool I'll have to check it out.

HardkorSB:

LazyAza:
This is absolutely disgusting, everyone responsible for this happening makes me ashamed to be part of this species.

Leemaster777:
Grown Ups 2... beat Pacific Rim? Grown Ups 2 beat Pacific Rim?! That's it!

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Teoes:
I can see the argument for it perhaps being considered quite niche and therefore not getting the broader attention, but I still find that a surprising notion given how utterly dominated the box office is these days by superheroes and other traditionally nerdy topics.

It's just in the US.
Outside of the US, Grown Ups 2 earned 1.7 million$, while Pacific Rim earned 53 million $... in 3 days!!! PR is doing fine, it will make a lot more than GU2 in the long run.
Movies can bomb in the US and still be worldwide hits. It's not the 80's anymore.

Aw man I built this space ship for NOTHING! Here I was all set to go colonize Mars. Haha but seriously that's awesome, but boy, what the heck America.

Flatfrog:

DrOswald:

Ok, I am calling you out here. Why exactly is a giant robot having a sword so dumb?

Because it was the final straw that destroyed any last remnant of hope that I was watching anything other than a Power Rangers movie. It was *exactly* the same as the moment from any Power Rangers episode where the monster defeats their current arsenal of weapons so they bring out one more even more stupid master weapon. The one that has become a particular (mis)quote in our house is, I think, from Mystic Force - 'unleash the bee'. And you always find yourself saying 'if that weapon's so damn effective why didn't you use it from the start?

And how is it any more dumb than, say, a man dressing up as a bat and fighting crime? Or a man getting really angry and turning into a green rage monster? Or Hawkeye using a bow against technologically advanced aliens?

Oh, it isn't. And I can cope with silly big dumb movies just fine. But they need to have some kind of lightness of tone that makes you willing to play along.

How is Pacific Rim being cliched worse than, for example, Captain America, which is basically a movie about a walking cliche? Or the Avengers? I mean, Nick Fury actually reports to a room full of shadowy figures. The Avengers save the world with the power of friendship. All the aliens die when the mothership explodes for no reason. In fact, you could say that the plot of The Avengers is like spending a half hour on TV tropes. Why are Pacific Rim's cliches so much worse?

Well, I can't go comparing it with everything, but ok, let's pick The Avengers (I thought Captain America was pretty stupid too TBH). That worked because it engaged me with the characters, who were well drawn, with conflicts between them between them that gave us some reason to care about them above and beyond the crisis they were facing. It felt that the story followed the characters, not the other way round. It helped that there was a villain with a motive and some kind of personal connection to the characters, and that the escalations of the peril were not just quantitative ('What category monster is it?' 'Category five!') but qualitative (Oh, so his plan was not this but that).

Is that enough? I could probably give you more but I'd have to watch Avengers again if I wanted to go into any more detail.

That lightness of tone stuff is not true if you think about it. Dark Knight was as heavy a movie as you can get and you have specifically, in this thread, used it as a positive example against Pacific Rim. While Dark Knight has a good deal of humor none of it is lighthearted. Pacific Rim, on the other hand, never takes itself too seriously, breaking up even the most intense action scenes with lighthearted jokes. So that cannot be the reason you find the robot with the sword so much worse.

And it can't be the timing of the thing. After all, basically the exact same thing happens in The Avengers when the Hulk, without any explanation at all, suddenly can control his Hulk rage. Why couldn't he have done that before? oh, right, because we had to have a scene where Thor fights Hulk. It doesn't need to make sense, it was cool and fun. But the sword was not cool and fun for you.

I would like to propose an explanation:

You like the cliches and tropes in the Avengers more than the ones in Pacific Rim. You dislike event driven plots and you are more willing to put up with the dumbness of superhero movies than the dumbness of giant robot movies, all of which are completely valid positions. You like what you like. But we like what we like.

My problem is when you come in here and criticize us for liking what we liked. You call us out for letting a movie get away with being dumb and cliched when you have done exactly the same thing when it was the thing you liked. You let the Dark Knight and the Avengers get away with being dumb and cliched because you like those movies. And I agree with you. I like those movies a lot. Just don't criticize me for letting something I like get away with being dumb and cliched because you don't like it.

I had to force my parents to go see Pacific Rim Friday. Know what they did the next day? Went and saw Grown Ups 2 and had that balls to say it was better.

SwiftBlade18:
Although I haven't seen the Adam Sandler film... I did see Pacific Rim - due to friends wanting to go see it.

I thought it was pretty god damn awful if I'm honest. Cheesy lines, stereotypical casting, unnecessary stupid visual jokes.

I know people will probably rage at me for saying that but it really wasn't my cup of tea at all. Summarising the film is as simple as 'Smashy smashy' - so I think it should take its box office position as a win for such a poor film.

I agree with you 100%. I thought it was fucking awful. It belonged on the SciFi channel so whatever money it makes it should be very greatful for.

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