Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

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This so called censoring isn't worth a damn.

First of all, it can't possibly cover everything.
Secondly, it only takes one kid with parents/siblings who have opted out to e-mail out pictures/videos to all their friends.

I am very worried that this is the "foot in the door" for more obnoxious, more ubiquitous censorship. Also worried that the less tech savvy will buy into this bullshit and think the governments is doing such a wonderful job protecting our children.

Bullshit. This whole thing is bullshit. Let the parents in this country do some parenting for a change.

Saucycarpdog:
Well, glad I don't live in the UK right now

of course, this is probably going to happen in the US soon...

thesilentman:
... *Sigh*.

Yet another politician not knowing what's happening. But knowing politicians, they fully know, and don't give a damn about the consequences of this.

I would just say that this IS porn we're talking about and leave it at that, but the fact that this could lead the way into censorship of more information saddens me.

I think I'll start preparing the VPNs and seven proxies for when this hits the States... -_-

Considering that in the following states/territories Bestiality is legal, I don't think the US has to worry for quite a while. It is legal in Alabama, American Samoa, DC, Guam, Hawaii, Kentucky, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Northern Mariana Islands, Ohio, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

Great. This is ridiculous. I'm 22. I have been allowed to watch porn for a while, but there's no way in hell that I'm going to ask my dad to make sure the ISP doesn't block porn.I mean, it's easy to get around, but it's the principle of the thing.

Zipa:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.

See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?

Festus Moonbear:
Oh, please! Stop scaremongering, people. This law has already existed for television since .... the invention of television, without any dreadful consequences for liberty. They're not coming for your guns. You can still have your wanks once you've opted in to it again. People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.

I have a daughter and think this is a poorly thought up idea, its pitifully easy to bypass and kids are much more computer savvy now than ever. That and google and the other search providers already filter child porn anyway. Its a PR move to make Cameron and the tories look less shit.

The creators and distributors of this kind of sick shit already have systems in place to make them hard to find and keep them hidden. If they just showed up on a search engine then it would be easy to catch them.

Besides all the tools to stop kids seeing this already exists, provided by ISPs, routers and browsers as well as third parties in the form of software .
Plus people should actually be parents and watch what their kids are doing. Granted it can't be done 24/7 but that is where said tools come in.

Freedoms should not be infringed on because some people are too stupid/lazy to actually use the tools given to them. Hell even my parents who are 56 know and use parental control on their computer because of their grandkids.

The UK and Tories attitude to sex is what is causing a fucked up youth not the internet. There is a reason the UK has the highest teen pregnancy in Europe and a open and liberal country like the Netherlands where sex and sexuality are discussed and displayed openly not shunned it is the lowest in Europe.

Thank God the government is protecting us from porn.

I mean, if our kids saw porn, we might actually have to explain to them how sex works and why you shouldn't watch porn. Thank God the government is protecting us from parenting.

There are two kinds of people, those who watch porn and liars ... this fuck knuckle is a politician so I am asumming he is a liar.

Want to shame me into saying I watch porn? No problem, but if kids want porn they will get porn.

I am curious to see if Anon will "bring the noise" when this gets implemented.

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

In the UK it's the complete opposite :(

NightHawk21:

Zipa:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.

See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?

Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.

Falterfire:

Capitano Segnaposto:
Okay, I am confused. Since when was porn considered something that would ruin a child? I remember seeing my first porn mag at the age of 7. I didn't become a mass murderer or serial rapist.

Yeah, but I bet you now play those evil murder-simulators like Starcraft, don't you? You're not a murderer, but you are a murderer-in-training. It's probably only a matter of time before you snap and go on a killing spree, just like every gamer.

I prefer the term: Assassin Apprentice.

Zipa:

NightHawk21:

Zipa:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.

See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?

Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.

Then I imagine Reddit is going to be getting a whole new set of british users, and the filter will prove pointless. I'm curious to see if 4chan will be blocked.

Fun fact I learned from my psychology professor who's expertise was human sexuality: studies show that communities with easier access to porn have lower rates of sexual violence. I don't want to sound too grim and cynical by saying this but humans are sexual and sometimes violent beings by nature and evidence that simulated sex (porn) and simulated violence (video games, movies) actually do people more good by letting them get off. Otherwise you're only left with acting out on these emotions. So by all means Cameron, lets just see what happens when some of these hormonal and underdeveloped teens without any outlets for relief will do when their porn gets cuts off (assuming they can't get around it anyway)

There's, so much irony here. I don't even know where to start. Let's go with the big one:

Teens aren't going to be stopped looking at porn.
Trust me. As someone who is only just exiting the "horny teenage boy" phase, I can tell you that nothing is more powerful than the boners of underage boys[1]. As a best-case scenario, boys will just find porn from magazines, or videos or from gaps in the firewall. They'll find it with ease, and they'll keep it. And at worse, they'll migrate to the darknet. You think pornhub is bad? You think staged rape is bad? At least you can't access hardcore Child Porn, Snuff Porn, Necrophilia and real rape with one click. With the easily accessible TOR browser, these are a click away.

And also, this means I'm having to stockpile porn just in case this incredibly foolish and unecessary bill comes through. So now, from regular, casual porn user, I'm going to hardcore collector/possible distributor[2]. I thought this bill was meant to reduce the availability of porn.

Do you want the most ironic thing of all?

That's right, boys and girls. This is a snapshot from the second-hand toilet roll that is the Daily Mail, one of the hysterical, uneducated, wishful-thinking "moral"isers who backed this bill. Just beautiful, isn't it?

Edit: And one last thing; out of the pornography industry and the tabloid journalism industry, only one provides a significant backing to David Cameron's Conservative party. Which one? I think you've already figured it out....

[1] Yes, I could've put that less creepily. But why?
[2] Calm your tits. I'm over 18. It's legal, and so is what I'm downloading.

NightHawk21:

Zipa:

NightHawk21:

See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?

Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.

Then I imagine Reddit is going to be getting a whole new set of british users, and the filter will prove pointless. I'm curious to see if 4chan will be blocked.

It won't change much honestly, the filters will be pitifully easy to bypass because things like Google DNS and VPN services exist.

Anyone with some fairly basic PC knowledge adult or child will be able to get around it with minimal effort. The more worrying thing is the Tories are setting a prescient that they are just going to infringe on peoples freedoms and liberties because it furthers their political agenda.

Its very transparent that this is his goal as he is going after the internet which is not owned by one of his big corporation buddies but he is leaving the newspapers alone which have pictures of women half naked in them but are strangely enough owned by his corporation buddies.

What a coincidence that is eh David?

Stupid idea, is and will be a failure on every possible level and many people will already have features in place that completely circumvent it.

Yeah I can see this not working in the slightest and just causing people to get extremely pissed off. Mainly because I'm pretty sure there are easy ways to get around it if one were to use a proxy server. But in reality this is just a ploy by Cameron to just get votes because I'd like to think that no one in their right mind would vote for Cameron any other way.
Of course this isn't the case all the time...>.>

Odd, I thought America was the country founded by Puritans and Quakers...

You know, when I was a kid my parents tried to shelter me. I couldn't listen to any music or watch tv shows or movies they didn't approve of. My parents also taught me the world was sunshine and rainbows, that you could do anything if you tried hard enough. You know what happened? I became a kind of social outcast because I couldn't relate to any of the kids my age - they were allowed to listen to music or watch things I couldn't. Then I failed at things I tried my best at - because I didn't have the connections or the exact qualifications or whatever. I stumbled in the dark for a long time trying to adjust to the real world after being taught lies for near a decade. And it was only after that -after I had learned the truth myself by having it beat into me by constant failure- that my parents turned around and told me how it really was (not that I hold it against them, kids don't come with manuals and they did what they thought was right. But still...). So to this man and all those who think like him: fuck you. This isn't the way to "protect the children", this is the way to cripple the children.

so..... who wants to vote that hes taken a bribe from the pornography industry.

I mean come on, look at it, oh you can have your name on a national pervert database so you can watch free porn, OR..... you can go down the road, to your local adult shop and buy porn anomalously.

Part of me wants to point and laugh but there are worse things going on in my country right now as it is and I'm sure we'll adopt this policy sooner or later.

Thing is, I'll call my ISP right up ad tell them in no petite way "I WANT MY PORN TURNED ON THANK YOU".

Everyone, just go to the M-Rated fanfiction. Since they can't ban it as they'd have to ban the whole site, you can get all of the erotic fiction you need.

Or you could just go on DeviantArt. Problem solved.

Andy Chalk:
U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has announced that virtually every home in the country will have access to online pornography blocked at the ISP level unless a request to remove the block is made.

They're finally getting the wish they've been asking for since 1996 when the cops wanted to block child porn newsgroups (the list of which just happened to include things like pictures of centerfolds tacked on at the end).

Andy Chalk:
Cameron said that by the end of 2014, the country's largest internet providers have agreed to contact their existing customers with an "unavoidable decision about whether or not to install family friendly content filters" - unavoidable because customers who fail to respond for any reason will have it switched on by default.

Except it's not really a choice about whether or not to install them, as they're being installed anyway. It's more of a Hobson's choice, as the refusal is the more difficult option: You can take the censorship horse being offered, or spend more time and trouble walking the uncensored path.

It also conveniently gives the government a short list of people who express a desire to look at porn.

That's it, I need a VPN.

Andy Chalk:
The filter will be put into place on mobile phone networks and on the U.K.'s public wi-fi network "wherever children are likely to be present." The government is also looking into creating a "Family Friendly Wi-Fi" symbol for retailers, hotels and other companies who want to let their customers know that their wi-fi network is filtered.

If that was a selling point they'd already do it.

Andy Chalk:
Cameron called upon Google, Bing and other search engines to blacklist sites provided to them by the government,

In other news, the Iranian goverment has also called upon search engines to blacklist sites provided, including ones with pictures of any part of the female anatomy, pro-Christian/atheist/Shinto/Zoroastrianism sites, sites that treat homosexuals like human beings, and anyone spreading that pernicious rumor that the Holocaust happened when it was obviously just that 'Jews are filthy disease-ridden monsters killed by their filthy Jew diseases and we're better off without them anyway'.

Free speech or fascism: Looks like the UK government made their choice.

Andy Chalk:
implement pop-ups in place of disabled "child abuse sites" warning viewers that they risk losing their jobs, their family and even access to their children if they persist in their behavior, and to provide "clear routes... to legitimate sites on the web" when potentially illegal searches are conducted.

"Potentially illegal"? So the feds threaten your job and life if you do something potentially illegal?

Also, "potentially illegal" could just mean copyright infringement. The scope creep has started before the project's begun, which tells me it's not scope creep at all.

Andy Chalk:
If search engine companies haven't come up with acceptable voluntary solutions by October, he warned that legislation to "force action" will be put into place.

"I want to talk about the internet, the impact it is having on the innocence of our children, how online pornography is corroding childhood and how, in the darkest corners of the internet, there are things going on that are a direct danger to our children,

Because no child saw pornography before the Internet and no child was molested before the Internet.

Andy Chalk:
and that must be stamped out,"

With nice big jackboots.

Andy Chalk:
Cameron said in his speech. "I'm not making this speech because I want to moralize or scare-monger, but because I feel profoundly as a politician, and as a father, that the time for action has come.

Yet you are. If I kill someone because the voices in my head tell me to, I'm still a killer. The why and wherefore don't matter; the act makes you the criminal.

I'd love to try this defense in a court: "I didn't speed because I wanted to, but because I felt profoundly that the time for action had come." The phrase is meaningless. I didn't want to do it but I did it because I wanted to do something.

Andy Chalk:
Cameron also said that new laws will impose the same restrictions on streaming videos on the internet as those sold in retail outlets,

Completely untenable. You can't make a website in the Cayman islands behave like a brick-and-mortar business two blocks from the police station. Might as well impose the same restrictions on garage sales.

Andy Chalk:
give more power to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center to investigate "secretive file-sharing networks," create a secure database of child pornography that will help police trace illegal content and the people who look at it, and criminalize the possession of "rape porn."

Define "rape porn". Filmed rape? A porn actress who pretends to be raped? Tentacle hentai? Bodice-ripper romance novels? Nice vague term to use as a bludgeon.

Chessrook44:
Odd, I thought America was the country founded by Puritans and Quakers...

where'd you think they came from? Kids these days ¨.¨

idarkphoenixi:
This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.

You feel that way about the UK? I feel the same way about living in the USA! F*** man, we are boned.

Anyway, nanny-stating to the max! As everyone else said, why bother parenting when you can have big gov do it FOR YOU! Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

kael013:
You know, when I was a kid my parents tried to shelter me. I couldn't listen to any music or watch tv shows or movies they didn't approve of. My parents also taught me the world was sunshine and rainbows, that you could do anything if you tried hard enough. You know what happened? I became a kind of social outcast because I couldn't relate to any of the kids my age - they were allowed to listen to music or watch things I couldn't. Then I failed at things I tried my best at - because I didn't have the connections or the exact qualifications or whatever. I stumbled in the dark for a long time trying to adjust to the real world after being taught lies for near a decade. And it was only after that -after I had learned the truth myself by having it beat into me by constant failure- that my parents turned around and told me how it really was (not that I hold it against them, kids don't come with manuals and they did what they thought was right. But still...). So to this man and all those who think like him: fuck you. This isn't the way to "protect the children", this is the way to cripple the children.

... I don't think I can that my Twitter motto for my backup profile @AwesomeRealisticLines (Fake, of course, but solid points).

This is kind of like saying "We don't like the number of boats that come across the atlantic, so we're going to build a 2 meter wall across the path where most come through."

I know I am not going to get my housemates to get the porn filter lifted. So I'll just do what all the pirate bay users do (the website the government also decided to block) Proxy all the way around it to the other side.

This is what happens when people think the conservatives should be in power.

As everyone has already mentioned, this is totalitarian bollocks hidden behind a veil of "for the good of the children" propaganda. It's like the late 90's-early 2000's all over again.

And what exactly do we mean by "rape porn," minister? Bootleg films of actual rapes? Fair enough. Or do we go further? What about stuff marked "rough sex" on Pornhub? That's rape roleplay! Shock horror! Consenting adults pretending to commit an illegal act? That's the exact same thing as committing it! And while we're at it, let's take down Corruption of Champions. Tons o' rape to be found there! Sure, it's a written fictional document made by a man with every right to do so, one whose legality is so readily recognized that he admits, on tax forms that go directly to his country's government, that writing it is his primary source of income, but what if the CHILDREN get on this site that has a popup warning you that if you're under 18 you're not allowed there (just like, you know, ALL OF THE PORN SITES EVER.) Must ban it! And hentai! Oh ye gods, children will be so influenced by this MEDIA THEY'RE ALREADY NOT BLOODY ALLOWED TO ACCESS AND WHICH ANY RESPONSIBLE PARENT/WEBMASTER IS ALREADY MAKING AN EFFORT TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM that they'll spontaneously grow tentacles! And hey, why stop at the internet? 50 Shades of Grey is a couple hundred pages of nothing but rape barely concealed by dubious claims of consent! Take it off the shelves lest the children read it and grow up to be idiots who think that signing a contract gives random rich men free reign to sexually assault them! Which is... actually not a bad idea...

...

Sorry. Had a bit of an "Oh my god have I unknowingly been doing something illegal" moment last week when Fenoxo's blog was down and... I had to vent.

I don't think we need a universal porn filter, I do think that a porn filter should be an option for parents who don't want their children traumatised by rule 34 to the point they consider sex evil, like me for instance.

Sixcess:

Caffeine_Bombed:
I'm all for blocking access to rape and child porn

I'm not.

Because I don't know what they mean by 'rape porn',and I doubt they know either.

Pretty much every 'rape porn' movie on the internet would be better described as badly-acted-and-unconvincingly-rough-for-the-first-few-minutes porn... but based on the way the government defined 'extreme' porn a few years ago I expect a vague and dangerously broad definition for 'rape' porn. If neither the government, nor the police, nor judges nor juries are exact in their definition then people will have their lives ruined when they go on the sex offender list and/or go to jail for possession of entirely consensual pornography.

Well I assumed it meant videos and images of drunk or passed out people being abused and/or videos depicting real rape victims.
I get what you mean about how this needs to be explained and controlled better but quite frankly, consensual and scripted or whatever, I wouldn't personally shed many tears for someone who gets their rocks off on that sort of thing.

Festus Moonbear:
People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.

In it's original form, you could have opted in to it and the ISP's would have been required to inform you of it's existence. Why make it on by default?

This is just the Faily Heil and company scaring up an issue where nothing existed. The same attitude that lead to the "Extreme Pornography" laws, which can leave you with a criminal record for reading manga or watching anime. Or indulging in S&M.

Personal responsibility and accountability have apparently become completely meaningless concepts. The idea of the parent actually being responsible and making an effort to ACTIVELY nurture and guide the child's behavior and upbringing seems to have been lost in the annals of antiquity.

I am starting to believe that whenever any politician says something to the effect of "think of the children!" my Bullshit Meter(TM) needs to be pegging all the way to the far edge of the red. Just about every time I hear this, there seems to be some Neo-Con power-play agenda going on in the background.

Irridium:
Isn't Cameron the guy who's butchering the UK's health system (NHS, I believe it's called) and who is also cutting funding for schools?

How the hell can he possibly say he's protecting the children with a straight face?

One can argue that cutting spending is helping your children and grandchildren not have massive crushing unmanageable debt that they will never ever be able to afford.

Or that throwing more money at systems that are inefficient, wasteful is not ever going to make then better just more inefficient and wasteful. One of the major lies of politics is tossing more money at something is ever the solution.

Everyone needs to tighten their belts period, with us having in the order of 17 trillion in debt over here, a 1 plus trillion massive health bill kicking in, social security and medicare going bankrupt to the tune of 4 trillion dollars, our midwest aquifers drying out at alarming rates, how will our children be able to afford anything when their tax burdens would need to be 100% to pay anything.

And that all utterly ignores the fact that our government will more than likely lose our IMF status soonish before most of that happens collapsing our goverment overnight.

Yes we all better get used to less government and the sooner the better, but on the flip side maybe we can cut back or eliminate that 40% federal tax burdenand let people keep their own money for health care and food and stuff people really need.

If we want to talk about real meaningful health care get the bureaucracy out of health care, enact tort reform where simple mistakes do not cost doctors massive amounts in malpractice insurance. Medicare and medicade paperwork, 20 hour plus work shifts and the insurance costs for doctors do more to skyrocket medical costs than anything.

I can't wait for me to have to contact my service provider, and then they send a newsletter out to neighbours saying "oh, Mr May at number Y on your street has just disabled the pornography filter! You too can do it at X phone number!".

Adam Jensen:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Let's filter computer games since they too have been shown to have a negative effect and can be addictive.

Adam Jensen:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9vumF6JMU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxrG6QZ-G0M
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOsF81sC4vo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwIrmF1Z6k
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgUzACfTHI
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQQRHdPri2s

Even though I don't like censorship, this isn't actually a bad thing.

...no, it's not a bad thing. It's a stupid, unnecessary bullshit thing done by someone who throws up weak limp-wristed justifications like 'As a father' and 'Corroding Childhood'. This filter will change absolutely nothing - kids who aren't interested in porn aren't going to be bothered by it anyway and kids determined to find porn will find a god damn way to find porn (going to a friends house who has the filter disabled, magazines, hard-drive passing at LANs, etc.).

I mean seriously, just adding a filter that people can opt out of and threatening the big search engines with legislative action if they don't implement black lists is going to do... absolutely nothing. Those who don't want the porn don't get the porn, those who want the porn get the porn anyway and those who want the child-porn already have systems in place to circumvent these kinds of changes.

And, while I can't actually watch those videos due to slow internet (fuck yeah dial-up speed!), I do have to question their relevance to the whole... PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN line. I mean... fucking hell, children aren't that hooked on porn to begin with, and if you're a parent with even two brain-cells to rub together you should be teaching you're children about sexuality and the problems of excess anyway (gonna take a stab here and guess those videos focus on what happens when you have too much porn - if so, too much food is a problem as well. Excess of anything is a problem, funnily enough); miraculously, by teaching your children about the birds and the bees, you avoid all the problems everyone thinks banning/censoring/filtering porn will do (and possibly even help them if they have unique fetishes like BDSM or Furry, two things that are most often blocked by censorship).

In other words: Pornography isn't ruining our children, parents not talking to their kids about sexuality is ruining our children. Suck it the fuck up and talk to them, don't elevate yourself to a government position of power and create a bunch of ineffective rules and filters because you're too scared to talk to your kids about the mystical world of sex.

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