Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

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So terrible. Also, what do they classify as "rape porn"? Videos of people being raped or videos of people pretending to be raped?
I am glad we have much more robust free speech protection here in the US.

SonOfVoorhees:

Da Orky Man:

SonOfVoorhees:
You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

You are still missing the point, even with half the forum arguing with you. Its more about censorship and exactly what material is construed as vulgar/extreme.

Also, are you actually wishing someone to be raped now? Strictly speaking, that's worse than rape-porn possession. Someone watching such material may be burdened with a near-illegal fetish, but you actively wish it upon someone due to an internet arguments.

Dude, relax a bit.

idarkphoenixi:
Nothing get's under my skin more than a politician hiding behind children.

It's funny how this just keeps applying throughout the years for any number of countries:
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Amir Kondori:
So terrible. Also, what do they classify as "rape porn"? Videos of people being raped or videos of people pretending to be raped?
I am glad we have much more robust free speech protection here in the US.

[/sarchasm]

I didn't encounter full on porn until I was browsing the internet when I was 11 and a popup appeared with a woman jerking a bunch of guys off with some of the image obcured by yellow stars. Apparently some of my sister's friends (then aged 8/9) had shown her a few sites and my dad had to struggle hard to get rid of the viruses they'd downloaded to the home PC. Not that it deterred them from doing it again, mind and I still didn't learn what the actual word "porn" meant until I was much older.

My dad was pretty lax on internet safety around us. He just told us to be careful about what we downloaded (because of viruses) and if we saw anything we didn't understand we'd ask him about it.

This is the same guy that said "Have you heard about hentai? It's porn, but it's more artistic." a few years ago.

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SonOfVoorhees:

ninjaRiv:

SonOfVoorhees:
Subjective doesnt matter. That statue wasn't built cos the artist liked cock. Porn is made for the sake of porn. Big difference. I agree though, this is about deleting illegal porn, rape and child porn. An i think a few people being pissed is fine if that crap is blocked. Also stopping underage kids looking up that crap. Would you want your 12 year old watching porn? An thats the problem also. You can see anything online. The internet has grown faster than the security behind. If your an adult, nothing is stopping you watching porn online....you may have to pay for it....but nothing is stopping you.

Not all things with nudity is porn, though, as you know. Suicide Girls? Classic paintings and statues? Nudity in comic books? I can easily see these as being classed as porn.

You have to opt out of this porn censorship, though; a thing plenty of people with families will not do. Wouldn't an opt in option be better? Except that already exists, in the form of software and parental control. This is censorship-lite. !It's censored but not quite. We're just testing everything for when we do ban everything."

So blocking child porn and rape porn is now compared to the Suicide Girls and classic Statues. HUGE DIFFERENCE PEOPLE. People can get horny about anything, a statue, a movie, a picture or even a plate of food (weird people out there.) Just that porn is made to be porn. Its people paid for fucking to sell a movie of people fucking. Im not against porn at all.....sorry if thats what you think. Though i am against 12 yr olds looking up "arse fucking" online and watching things that will corrupt them. Can we atleast agree with that? Most we need is a solution where adults can watch what they want and kids are blocked from porn online. An every freak is banned from watching child/rape porn online. Censorship is fine, but censor kids, not adults.

You do know this is not just blocking child porn and "rape pron" (whatever that is), right? This is blocking ALL porn sans an opt-in.

I am glad the government is taking control of deciding what I can and can't look at. I am clearly too sensitive an individual to be exposed to such things. I am also too indecisive and spineless to make any decisions on my own. Thank you oh great government for taking control away from your population! Force your idea of morality on me! Please!

Clive Howlitzer:
I am glad the government is taking control of deciding what I can and can't look at. I am clearly too sensitive an individual to be exposed to such things. I am also too indecisive and spineless to make any decisions on my own. Thank you oh great government for taking control away from your population! Force your idea of morality on me! Please!

Oh, but haven't you heard? There's the option to turn it back on at the low, low price of the most awkward phone conversation of your adult life. "Hello? Why yes good sir, I'd like for you to open the floodgates on my smut machine! It appears the infernal device has become unfixed and my limitless supply of butts has dried up completely! As a chronic wrist-injured reprobate, I'll be needing you to unleash that beast for me again, posthaste! Jolly good. Oh jeeves, fetch the splash tarps, will you??"

Somebody please put this guy out of our collective misery.

This is bad, really bad, let's hope people from the UK put a stop to this idiot and his plans. The Internet should not be censored.

It's already crazy enough that the definition of "child porn" in the UK has changed in the last few years to drawings of characters over the age of consent (seriously, look it up. You can't even draw a 16 or 17 year old walking in on their parents or their peers screwing in the same panel despite it happening in movies and on TV with no problems. Freaking LINES!) before all this madness.

It's mental that I'm posting so much on this thread when I don't even LIKE porn.
But where do you draw the line on what it is and isn't? Art can be pornographic. Does that make that art porn? According to some people I've talked to, porn can be artistic, too! Is that porn art, then?

Too many blurred lines and weird cultural exceptions for it to make sense.

many escapist users:
Convservatives blabla small government

Conservatives from the dawn of time was about having totalitarian control by the government. whats up with these silly comments? are peopel that politically illiterate?

Adam Jensen:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Even though I don't like censorship, this isn't actually a bad thing.

European Health Board during their report on teenage health have concluded that a healthy person should masturbate once a day to keep theri bodys reporductive organs healthy and working as intended. This was mainly aimed at teenagers, however it applies to all ages (obviuosly not to children as they arent sexually mature).
I havent saved the link as back then i didnt find this to be such revolutionary message so sorry no source link.
ALso i havent watched the videos as im at work but from what i skimmed though they seem to argue that watching porn somehow makes you unable to masturbate to "magazines". well duh, most porn mangaiznes show truly awful looking people to begin with, not to mention the strnage fetish with stockings and skirts people have (seriusoly, skirts are not sexy, stop it). I have however no problem fappnig to either porn, my imagination, pictures in a magazine or whatever. but of course i wont be fapping to ugly people. of couse before internet when people didnt knew better, those were as best as you get, now you realize there are better people.
then again my opnion may be a bit sideways since i think half the people i meet on the street are sexier than majority of "hot chick naked" porn videos.

Festus Moonbear:
Oh, please! Stop scaremongering, people. This law has already existed for television since .... the invention of television, without any dreadful consequences for liberty. They're not coming for your guns. You can still have your wanks once you've opted in to it again. People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.

Yes, they have existed for television. Internet was the last bastion where your access were free to things you wanted and not just "Things we want you to watch". however recent "safe internet" and other idiotic movements finally resulting in this have taken that way from us. now we cone again have no outlet where we can stop being afraid of being censored because we didn't like the popular opinion.
people with kids should be outraged. their kids are used as an excuse for internet control. besides, people with kids should already know what their kids are watching. if they are bad parents maybe they shouldn't have been having kids to begin with. would help with world population too.

Irridium:
Isn't Cameron the guy who's butchering the UK's health system (NHS, I believe it's called) and who is also cutting funding for schools?

How the hell can he possibly say he's protecting the children with a straight face?

Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about these things. Probably am. Get most of my info from UK friends who complain about it, so yeah.

Oh don't worry, people in the UK LOVE bitching about everything and anything. It's pretty much a national pastime after Football and ripping the piss out of your mates.

Not that they're wrong on this of course. Good old Dave with his shitty policies...

Hold on, let me dig up my other post on this one, I rather liked it

The Wykydtron:
If SOPA didn't go through in the US yet if Dave takes our fucking porn away successfully i'm going to be so pissed.

You don't touch the PORN Dave! The line has been crossed! It's all very well going "lol families lol" what about all the single men (and women if you're into that, I don't discriminate) who will probably go a little bit loopy over it? AKA me. T_T

Fuck it, corroding childhood? Somebody link him to 4Chan. Somebody. I'll show you corroding childhood...

Quick question: Would hentai count? Because that would be a good backup plan... Though like 99% of hentai is hilarious tentacle shenanigans. I guess Dave wouldn't think to go looking though. That's the thing with The Internet, it's fucking HUGE.

It's obviously not going to do anything. Where would you even start? Not mention there are going to be several ways to bypass any filters if you're really desperate.

Dave, just stick to (failing at) running the country ok? Leave our porn out of it and maybe every single man in the UK won't vote your arse out of office ASAP. Do something constructive mmmk hun?

Though that would be the most awkward proper protest ever... Imagine signs with "give us our porn" written on it around Downing Street. Fucking hilarious.

Just a thought, they better ban page three models and porn magazines too then if we're going this far.
Child could easily find dad's stash and what's stopping a kid thinking "Page three? So... women need to have their boobies out for us to like them?" or something.

Caffeine_Bombed:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

Oh, fuck off UK. Knowing about sex doesn't ruin your fucking kid's childhood-- having all of your hopes and dreams crushed by the grinding block of tedius social obligations does. If you want kids to be innocent for long, lessen their fucking work load and stop trying to turn schools into competitive careers

Please tell me that wasn't deliberately aimed at the entire United Kingdom.
Our toff Government doesn't speak for every resident of this country...

It doesn't even speak for a majority.

Goddam I hate FPTP. I also hate everyone who voted against AV. That was a clear cut-and-try decision, featuring an unambiguously superior option, which people rejected purely as a result of the half-truths and slander put about by the Tory government.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/family-filters-wont-block-soft-porn-david-cameron-retreats-in-war-on-internet-porn-admitting-there-will-be-problems-down-the-line-8726991.html

It's probably not going to happen.

He says softcore porn and erotic literature wont get filtered, as well as websites discussing sexual health and sexuality.

It's going to be impossible to differentiate between what's allowed and what isn't, unless ISPs have hordes of people going through every website deciding what's softcore and what's hardcore.

If this ridiculous filter does somehow managed to get implemented, I can see it lasting a week before it's taken down because of all the issues it causes.

Tell me. Has anything you have ever seen on the internet 'corrupted' you? Has looking at porn ever changed a person's ability to function in society? Has porn, as it is right now, been a 'corrosive' to anyone's brain, ever before?

I am honestly asking this. I sincerely want to know if there have been events that might have sparked this (ridiculous beyond human comprehension) move Mr. Cameron made.

Amir Kondori:
So terrible. Also, what do they classify as "rape porn"? Videos of people being raped or videos of people pretending to be raped?

Both...

Under BBFC guidelines, they are subjected to be censored/cut. All films that featured these kind of "rape" scenes were placed under the declassification of the Video Recordings Act 1984. Since VRA 2010, most of them were classified simple because it wasn't depicted "to any significant extent".

I swear to god, I don't know how the Darkness series got pass the censors.

Genocidicles:

It's going to be impossible to differentiate between what's allowed and what isn't, unless ISPs have hordes of people going through every website deciding what's softcore and what's hardcore.

If this ridiculous filter does somehow managed to get implemented, I can see it lasting a week before it's taken down because of all the issues it causes.

Easy, you pay someone to do it for you.

OT:

Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center to investigate "secretive file-sharing networks," create a secure database of child pornography

Oh this will never get hacked or leaked! Gosh, what would happen if the security was compromised?

idarkphoenixi:

This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.

If only it was a conservative nation then stuff like that wouldn't happen( Don't assume just because a politician calls himself conservative means that he is) ><, still pretty wasteful of resources.

I'm just wondering what there going to start blaming next, when this doesn't change I think I mean.

What a self-righteous twit. Fight child porn by finding the creators and distributors, not banning all porn at the ISP level. Besides, don't you have other things to deal with? How's that whole crackdown on international tax-evasion going Davey? Have you had that little talk with the city of London yet? No? Then shut up.

Way to lose the next election Cameron!
Instead of looking at parents who give their children phones and laptops without having the first clue how they work or how to put a content filter on them you treat the whole country as though we're to blame?

Fu*k that!

idarkphoenixi:
Nothing get's under my skin more than a politician hiding behind children. Notice, he mentioned "secretive file-sharing networks". Now I wonder what he's talking about when he says "file-sharing"...At least have the guts to say what this is really about.

This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.

But hey, it's all about the children, everything we do is to protect the children, right?

Don't worry kids, you can still see naked ladies on page 3 newspapers. He's already specifically said he's not touching the newspapers, which makes it all the more obvious this has nothing to do with porn.

I think you might be letting your anger talk there. The UK isn't a "ridiculously conservative nation", it's naturally extremely liberal; at least to my eyes. You'd be hard pressed to find anywhere else in the world more tolerant of immigrants, personal eccentricity or a host of other issues other nations find tricky to tackle.

I'd suggest it doesn't care what "you" want because you are a single person, no matter how "right" you are!

I agree this is a ridiculous notion and I am surprised to see it from a Conservative government, in my experience nanny state censorship and blanket control freakery is normally Labour's bag.

Cameron acknowledged today there are major issues with the proposal including:

a) the definition of porn (thus your page 3 issues)
b) the efficacy of any filters
c) the extent of ISP liability

I am pretty sure Cameron reckons he's doing the right thing to protect kids, he just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. I am also pretty sure that there are plenty of people in the UK who agree with him, which is kind of how it's meant to work, I guess. We're meant to argue the case rather than simply declare the country repressive and moan that "I'm" not getting enought say.

Personally, I'd say all he needs do is make it "opt in" and not "opt out" and there's no argument.

Anyway, the issue isn't quite as cut and dried as the Escapist has made out, although the UK media was presenting it as such yesterday, there's a lot of debate and a Bill to get through Parliament yet.

Danny Ocean:

Caffeine_Bombed:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

Oh, fuck off UK. Knowing about sex doesn't ruin your fucking kid's childhood-- having all of your hopes and dreams crushed by the grinding block of tedius social obligations does. If you want kids to be innocent for long, lessen their fucking work load and stop trying to turn schools into competitive careers

Please tell me that wasn't deliberately aimed at the entire United Kingdom.
Our toff Government doesn't speak for every resident of this country...

It doesn't even speak for a majority.

Goddam I hate FPTP. I also hate everyone who voted against AV. That was a clear cut-and-try decision, featuring an unambiguously superior option, which people rejected purely as a result of the half-truths and slander put about by the Tory government.

Yeah, I know what you mean. All those people weighing up the evidence presented to them and then reaching a conclusion you don't agree with! If only they could have been as clever as you and seen the "slander" and "half-truths".

Must confess, I voted against AV, not due to "slander" and "half thruths" but because of reverse snob bigots, who talk about hating "toffs" and "Tories", and "unambigously superior options", while claiming to be "openminded" and "progressive"; they terrify me, frankly, and I certainly wouldn't like the country paralysed by endless coalitions with that sort of unpleasantness at the heart of it.

I don't hate them though.

Captcha - grumpy cat

Res Plus:
*snip*

Besides all the witty jabs, your only assertion is that it would result in "endless coalitions." To which I say:

1. No it doesn't, in theory and in practice, and here's someone more qualified than I am to say why.

2. Even if it did- so what? What is so appealing to you about ignoring the desires of over half of the electorate?

Regularly.

jackdeesface:
Worried about CHILD pornography? then ban CHILD pornography.

I'm gunna start a Fapeasy. Like a speakeasy but with fapping.

It's not just about Child porn, its about porn teaching kids about sex, which is wrong.
Porn and sex are two different things.

When I was a child I didn't have a smart phone or a pc, we got taught about sex in school.
Now, since every kid has their own laptop or phone that can connect to the internet its only a matter of time before they find porn and get the wrong ideas about what sex is.

When the block is introduced, you can opt out of it, providing you are the one who pays for your internet its fairly hassle free.
The only people I can see this effecting are hormonal teens who just discovered what wanking is and are too afraid to ask their parents to "turn on the porn"

While I agree with his ideas, I disagree with David Cameron's existence and the fact he is allowed a position of power.

Festus Moonbear:
Oh, please! Stop scaremongering, people. This law has already existed for television since .... the invention of television, without any dreadful consequences for liberty. They're not coming for your guns. You can still have your wanks once you've opted in to it again. People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.

They could just watch their fucking children like actual parents but hey, fuck doing your job right? Just sit your kid in front of a computer, let them get fat and lazy and become your normal COD troll and then blame the violence in video games and the porn for turning him that way.

Main problem I see with this is not the prohibition on freedom of speech that may come out of this but rather the hormonal decisions the teens who are affected by this will make - can't watch porn?

Better have sex.

Not saying its for sure but someone's gonna make a poor decision, parents gonna get mad, the whole song and teen mom baby mama drama dance.

It's the new V-chip!

Makes me glad that I don't live in the UK.

I'm seriously sick of Cameron. He pushes his 'Big Society' agenda as an effort to reduce meddlesome government oversight from peoples lives (when it's really only a way for him to offload responsibility for failing public services onto the unqualified and inexperienced), then he turns round and does this shit. Remember also, that this is the same man that refused to regulate the sale of pornographic images in high street stores. Because pictures of scantily clad, objectified women being sold literally right alongside children's magazines is totally harmless, yet assuming that parent's are capable of regulating their own homes responsibly is somehow irresponsible.

Well, hardly surprising, the UK have a strong tradition of puritanical censorship and invasion of privacy, adults being unable to consent to BDSM and whatnot. The UK will yet again reveal its pathetic inability to actually regulate the net as oppressively as it wish though, while digital anti-censorship measures will be common knowledge. The only way to accurately describe this idea is "Epic fail"... before its even been implemented.

Bringing the hidden file sharing services of the dark net to mass media attention would seem a greater issue though. God knows how many will seek them out after hearing Cameron's disdain, and find more than they bargained for.

idarkphoenixi:

This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.

Do you have 1000 and half a brain? If so, there's nothing stopping you from leaving the UK.
Stop making excuses and get on with it.

Imperator_DK:
Well, hardly surprising, the UK have a strong tradition of puritanical censorship and invasion of privacy, adults being unable to consent to BDSM and whatnot.

Can you give examples please? I certainly haven't heard about anyone being unable to consent to BDSM.
What kind of puritanical censorship are you referring to? I guess you could mean cigarette packaging and advertising, which is also going on in many other countries across Europe and the world. Other than that, I can't think of any examples.

Brainpaint:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

Oh, fuck off UK. Knowing about sex doesn't ruin your fucking kid's childhood--

Porn's teaching them false ideas about it, though. Lol.

Could it possibly be any worse than the bullshit kids hear in middle school? At least the porn industry doesn't proport itself to be anything but fantasy-- the only falsehoods it gives are those who aren't being given the facts enough to recognize it for the acting niche-filling industry that it is. And really, if a kid googles "porn" or "people fucking," how likely is it that that kid doesn't already know about sex?

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
This move by the government to step in and ban porn is brought to you by the Conservatives, the Party that has always argued for small government and for the state to not interfere in day to day life.

You misunderstand them. They don't want less interference per se, they want less interference on conservatives. Anyone that doesn't live how a conservative's fussy mother would like should be punished!

Cameron:
"I'm not making this speech because I want to moralize or scare-monger...

He says right after doing BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
You aren't fooling anyone here, Cameron.

...but because I feel profoundly as a politician, and as a father, that the time for action has come. This is, quite simply, about how we protect our children and their innocence."

Oh yes. "Save teh childrens!" Because that has just been a colossal boon for humanity since its inception...
At least the adults who want their legal adult content have some say in the matter. For now anyway.

The only poisonous and corruptive influence I've ever had in my life was going to school. The only thing I took away from my education was that you can do anything you want as long as you're on the majority side.

Ladies and Gentlemen, British SOPA has come.

Also, have we got any clerical way of telling what is or isn't a Porn site? I mean this filter could end up damaging more sites than you possibly think it would.

Proof again that Cameron is a moron, and should be booted out of office by way of revolution.

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