Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

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Whispering Death:
Would any Brits who laughed at the USA being so "backwards" and "conservative" under George Bush like to make that statement now? I present now is the optimal time for Brits to talk about how backwards the USA is. Please render your judgement on us.

Because now that our Prime Minister is suddenly being a massive twat, America is like a golden saint of freedom, huh? Let's not forget about the whole PRISM business.
I doesn't matter anyway, he's going to lose the next election, and this isn't going to work.

B-B-BUT T-THE CHILDREN! THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Why do politicians need to keep pulling this shit? BAN GUNS, BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN, ban kinder eggs because some mongloid tard might choke on the plastic toy, ban dodge ball because muh feelings, ban little red riding hood because god forbid some body has the freedom to get pissed every once in a while.

But now they're taking our PORN?! This is bullshit, what about that grotesque violence that is spewed from every orifice of the media? Two people fucking, an act of intimacy and love might I add, over someone's brains being bludgeoned in whether it be virtual? What shit is this?

Holy shit the western would is becoming one big whiny pussy.

i actually don't think this'll come to fruition.

here's my reasoning:

there a hell of a lot of people don't care about politics and don't normally vote.

there are also a hell of a lot of men who aren't going to be very happy that they have to either tell their significant other they are switching the porn filter on or do without porn.

david cameron wants to get re-elected.

that's basically it.

i think that'll be enough...but then i don't live in the same world as david cameron who apparently thinks looking at porn is some kind of niche activity...that said i think he'll be informed of his mistake soon enough...

Huh... A politician in my country made a comment, last year, about how he'd liked there to be a universal pornography filter in place. British media chose to interpret that as serious move on our part to implement a national porn filter. Naturally, this was accompanied by a floodwave of British commenters, making fun of our repressive bakwards ways. Of course, nothing came out of it; the guy didn't even get a chance to put forth a motion before it was shot down.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just gonna sit back here and appreciate the irony.

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They were prolly thinking something like this: "screw our debts, let's block porn just for the sake off being an arse".

The amount of censorship going on right now is really scary... Wonder how long before someone does anything about it. More importantly, I wonder when these ignorant authority-holders will finally die off so someone reasonable can gain power?

Okay my views have already been expressed better than I can put them in this so far 8 page thread so I'm just gonna ask: how can I still watch porn? I wanna keep watching porn I'm sexually frustrated and young I want porn.

The Problem with this isn't what they're trying to ban, since you can ask for the filter to be turned off.

The Problem with this is that it's censorship and is going to pave the way for more censorship. Instead of a calm and rational argument, I am just going to change this idiot asshole's[1] quote:

"I want to talk about Cameron, and the impact a 50cal bullet would have on his head."

This is how I feel about this. And now I'm going to make a meme about it, maybe then I'll calm down a bit.

[1] And he must be an asshole, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten so far up in the political hierarchy. Non-assholes just think "fuck it, I don't want to put up with this shit" somewhere around the middle.

Government censorship is wrong. Not only is the government not my children's parents, they are not MY parents either. Who can decide what's "Adult Content?" Let's see, say I've just been appointed to the leadership role of the organization that decides this stuff. Aaand I'm a devout Sikh. I ban the porn, because I believe it's immoral. Nobody wants their kids to watch porn, right? Let's ban the violence, too. No war movies, because we don't want our kids to be violent, right? Hmmm, as a Sikh I'm a monotheist, and I believe that Polytheism is false, so people who follow that might be in danger of some form of damnation, right? For their own good, ban anything polytheistic. Oh, and technically I consider religions with a Devil as Polytheistic, even though they don't consider the Devil to be a god. So we've taken out pretty much everything besides Sikhism and Buddhism. Ban the Anime; it frequently has sexuality, demons, giant robots killing people... Ban Sesame Street: Ernie and Bert might be interpreted as homosexuals. It can get absurd.

DISCLAIMER: Sikhs wouldn't do this kind of stuff. I used them as my example because they're really meek, nice people, and don't freak out when you mention their religion and threaten to blow up your country like SOME religions that are famous for their draconian, unjust, acid-throwing on women ways.

Valderis:
Somebody please put this guy out of our collective misery.

This is bad, really bad, let's hope people from the UK put a stop to this idiot and his plans. The Internet should not be censored.

Notice how governments put these type of things forward when nothing else is going on so that it can make front-page news, allowing it to be judged accordingly by the public?
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OH WAIT.
My major issue is that it's being decided by a single man, off the basis of a fucking internet forum.

I see the point about kids being damaged by porn (because if you wind up overwatching overdone pornstars having weird sex, you get deviated standards and expectations), but what I don't see is where this has to be done at an overall level. Take the fucking tags off things: you have to have choices in life, and parents have to have responsibility, otherwise what the fuck is there? You block it at top level, kids cant get access but don't get any feedback as to what's going on. Then, one day, they get on their mum/dad/brother/sister's laptop and find stuff that has been downloaded and it makes no difference, except that the parents haven't imparted any wisdom to the child, the child hasn't learned anything, and thousands of people who are old enough to understand what's going on can't whack off because someone jumped on electioneering 2 years before the next election.
Cameron's set his sights on ruining the NHS, education, and now free-will and making parenting 'easy-mode'. With all the financial catastrophes supposedly caused by the preceding Labour government (which is bullshit he keeps on banging on about, 3 years into his government), so naturally you slaughter the vitals, and then waste time, effort and money on this shit, and increasing your own fucking salary, then hammer students, causing riots (both from student protests and the major 2011 riots) which costs further. Fucking genius plan, all the while condemning people for doing similar shit, supporting riots overseas and generally being the least likeable prick aside from Nick Clegg and the rest of his dickhead cronies...

Sorry, got a little angry there...

Red X:

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

In the UK it's the complete opposite :(

Nah dude, they're pretty much the same as each other. That said, the Tories have given back some - though certainly not a lot - of the civil liberties taken by Labour. I think this new measure, along with the blocking of torrent sites, puts them near level again.

So how does it know when it's porn? Is it just child porn and other weird shit? Will it ban other 18 rated stuff? If I remove the block to watch 18 rated stuff, am I going to be viewed as some kind of perve and put on a register of people?

Just so many questions...

Also, time to put investment back into DVD pornos? Could make some cash... In fact, I guess I'll still be able to go on ebay and order some porn DVDs. Then I could just share it with people peer to peer. So remind me, how does this help stop this?

MindFragged:

Red X:

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

In the UK it's the complete opposite :(

Nah dude, they're pretty much the same as each other. That said, the Tories have given back some - though certainly not a lot - of the civil liberties taken by Labour. I think this new measure, along with the blocking of torrent sites, puts them near level again.

Guess so, but i don't completely blame Labour afterall after his first term i had always felt Blair was more suited for the conservatives :P

Cameron is mixing the issue up with pornography that is currently illegal under UK law and general internet content. It's a smoke-screen

It's no matter anyway because this isn't going to happen. He's tired this before and once they realize that;

1. ISPs will try to fight it
2. It will undermine the cohesion of the UK's access to the wider internet (it could damage the UK's internet infrastructure as a whole)
3. Some clever sod will find a way around it without having to opt in
4. You can't filter ever 1% of all content. It's unworkable.
5. Defining what is and isn't blocked at a national level is both stupid and also unworkable

There is also the issue of what is and isn't pornographic. If this is 'for the children' and not just a prudish reactionary moral-grab then why not make it block extreme violence? Or anything judged 'inappropriate' for children.

I don't buy it, censoring the internet can't be done but if you absolutely MUST try to block porn shouldn't that be a parents responsibility? I mean the tools to block mature content are sitting right there built into the browser or Norton or whatever. If a parent can't be bothered to look into this for themselves and rely on chubby-cheeks Cameron to act as there moral compass then they're not doing it right.

Li Mu:
Do you have 1000 and half a brain? If so, there's nothing stopping you from leaving the UK.
Stop making excuses and get on with it.

Lol. 1000 isn't even enough to cover the flight to some places. What world are you living in?

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

Oh, fuck off UK. Knowing about sex doesn't ruin your fucking kid's childhood-- having all of your hopes and dreams crushed by the grinding block of tedius social obligations does. If you want kids to be innocent for long, lessen their fucking work load and stop trying to turn schools into competitive careers

This.

Well said Deshara.

OT: You know what I find most offensive about this? The fact that Mr. Cameron keeps jumping back and forth between regular porn and child porn. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

Regular porn causes no harm to children.

Child porn harms the children in the porn, obviously, because they're being sexually abused.

If he wants to go after child porn, then more power to Mr. Cameron. But why the hell is he attacking regular porn too? They have nothing to do with one another.

Yes yes the children, but this my good porn loving freinds is just the start soon everything they don't like will be baned for the children or somebullshit like that he does not care and he never did. He just wants to control people and he will fail. YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE GANDUF THE G- Er...

Brainpaint:

Li Mu:
Do you have 1000 and half a brain? If so, there's nothing stopping you from leaving the UK.
Stop making excuses and get on with it.

Lol. 1000 isn't even enough to cover the flight to some places. What world are you living in?

Well, I left the UK about 5 years ago to move to Japan. I now currently live in Moscow.
I think I know a hell of a lot more than you do about such things. I moved to Moscow with 1000 in the bank and a flight which cost me 60 from London. It was more than enough to set myself up.

So, ok, I'll change the cost to 1060 if that makes you feel better.

I'm living in a world where I know what I'm talking about. Thanks.

A lot's happened in those past five years, mate. Costs have gone up.

Norithics:

Oh, but haven't you heard? There's the option to turn it back on at the low, low price of the most awkward phone conversation of your adult life. "Hello? Why yes good sir, I'd like for you to open the floodgates on my smut machine! It appears the infernal device has become unfixed and my limitless supply of butts has dried up completely! As a chronic wrist-injured reprobate, I'll be needing you to unleash that beast for me again, posthaste! Jolly good. Oh jeeves, fetch the splash tarps, will you??"

I will be using this as my script if it actually comes to pass!

Serioli:

Norithics:

Oh, but haven't you heard? There's the option to turn it back on at the low, low price of the most awkward phone conversation of your adult life. "Hello? Why yes good sir, I'd like for you to open the floodgates on my smut machine! It appears the infernal device has become unfixed and my limitless supply of butts has dried up completely! As a chronic wrist-injured reprobate, I'll be needing you to unleash that beast for me again, posthaste! Jolly good. Oh jeeves, fetch the splash tarps, will you??"

I will be using this as my script if it actually comes to pass!

Which is why I'm convinced this wont work, doesn't the European Court of Human Rights guarantee every single citizen the right to a private life? What is even remotely private about having to ring up the god damn ISP and ask for your porn to be switched back on!?

Did people vote for this? was it a part of their manifesto that they were going to introduce a Chinese Firewall? Whats next? foreign news outlets? opposition parties? the website of anyone running for an MP's seat who wasn't privately educated at Eaton?

I hate this country at times, they can never treat us like adults. Constantly trying to control the prices of alcohol, cigarettes and fuel in order to control our usage of them. The fuel one gets me the most, they make it outrageously expensive but then provide the most expensive, cramped, inconvenient and fucking smelly public transport system I've seen: they then have the sheer audacity to say they are raising fuel prices to "curb our usage of cars and protect the environment".

Taxes =/= Social engineering you bastards.

*edit* managed to quote myself instead of hitting the edit button ;)

Sizzle Montyjing:

Valderis:
Somebody please put this guy out of our collective misery.

This is bad, really bad, let's hope people from the UK put a stop to this idiot and his plans. The Internet should not be censored.

Notice how governments put these type of things forward when nothing else is going on so that it can make front-page news, allowing it to be judged accordingly by the public?
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OH WAIT.
My major issue is that it's being decided by a single man, off the basis of a fucking internet forum.

Oh god this.
I was thinking a couple of days ago that I bet there were loads of dodgy deals and iffy policies being made and forgotten due to the media whiteout about the baby, and now I read about this.

Also, to find out why this is really happening, we should do that age old saying and follow the money.
Someone's going to be making a pretty penny out of this, and I bet the Tories will be benefiting from it most of all.

Thank god they have put a pillow over that unpleasant stain on the couch.
That really is the only way to solve any problem.

*EDIT*

I also like how sly they are with having the filter enabled by default.
This automatically places you on a permanent list if disabled, for convenient and easy snooping.

Adam Jensen:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9vumF6JMU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxrG6QZ-G0M
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOsF81sC4vo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwIrmF1Z6k
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgUzACfTHI
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQQRHdPri2s

Even though I don't like censorship, this isn't actually a bad thing.

Long time since I had a good laugh, thank you :p

No seriously, take a step back and think about this. It's completely off it's tits.

Am I the only one who thinks that child pornography, while an absolutely horrible thing, exists primarily in the public consciousness as a way to force censorship? And why are you criminalizing the possession of rape porn? Sure, if it's an actual rape I can understand that but criminalizing a fetishistic depiction of rape? Next you'll criminalize rape play in BDSM circles and charge the males with actual rape.

Hello internet? It's your buddy, capitalism. You know, that guy you occasionally steal video games from? That porn filter thing's a bitch right? Well don't worry. I'll bust a hole through that like a trailer trash teenage girl through a condom to get on Jerry Springer.

Relax, Capitalism got this.

I can't get wound up over this. It was always going to be the case that governments would eventually try to rein in the internet. Its long been a massive elephant in the room - too technical to police on a practical level, too big to confront in any substantial way. But I then see quotes like this:

"Porn is the right of every free, adult citizen in the UK. It is not something we should have to ask permission for. This is the latest move from a colossal fuckhead, and his government of fuckheads."

and,

"Didn't the UK suffer BOMBING RUNS from fascists like Cameron?

You'd think, after killing enough Nazis, that they'd have been wiped out."

This does wind me up. Nothing undermines a protest greater than rabid hyperbole.

So first things first: tell me, how this is a ban on pornography? The option to keep viewing adult material is still there, it's just that you have to opt in to do so. It'll be as difficult as ticking a single box on an internet application form. This is just a small restriction that makes it harder for adolescents to gain access to pornographic material (thus enforcing a law against something which was always illegal). Complaining about this scheme is like complaining about how they moved adult mags to the top shelves of the magazine racks and slapped brown bags on them. Trying to take things out of the reach of children is not the same as banning it.

"But it won't work". I can see it making it harder for kids to obtain pornography. Parents can't know what their kids are doing on the internet in their room unless they physically stand and watch them at all times. With this, they can at least have a chance of making it harder for them. I don't know how providers will distinguish between adult content and non-adult sites, they might make a complete hash of it, but it could be effective. It beats doing nothing at all.

They're just screaming "THINK OF THE CHILDREN", amiright? Perhaps, but I can see the reasoning behind the concern. There is a very real risk that the more children familiarize themselves with pornographic material, the more casual they may feel about taking part in the behaviour displayed. Child grooming and paedophilia is rampant on the net. Go to one of the chans and at any one time, you'll find someone bragging about how they coaxed underage "camwhores" into taking off their clothes. If a child grows up in an environment where porn and sex are so casual that you can partake in it anytime, the temptation and tendency to do so will increase. Meanwhile, in regards to boys, we as a culture we are trying to gravitate away from the notion that women should live by their image, and that they should not be stereotyped as sexually objects. If from an early age, kids are seeing all evidence to the contrary, that progressive view isn't going to come along so well.

"But maninahat, kids can watch violent movies and play violent games and it doesn't mean they are going to become killers." True, but there are a couple of differences. Firstly, it takes a lot more to become a killer than to flash your tits on a camera. Responsible societies already take steps to avoid kids getting hold of deadly weapons or engaging in violent behaviour, so why shouldn't similar steps be taken with porn? The second difference is that whilst murder is almost universally seen as terrible, many people see no problem with sex whatsoever. Reasonable people will draw a line beyond enjoying violent entertainment, because they know the real life version is terrible - but with the sex industry, the emphasis is on taking part - people want to be sexually active and have lots of fun, whilst porn is a kind of wish fulfillment that almost seems plausible, because you only technically need consenting people to make it happen. I'm not saying sex and porn in itself is wrong - that's not what I am taking issue with - the issue is that promiscuity should be a thing for people at a responsible age. Pregnancy, STDs, public humiliation, rape; there are a huge number of life affecting issues connected to sex, and people need to go into it when they are ready to face those consequences. An 11 year old is not ready.

If/when it comes to pass I may have to have a little play to see what it is protecting the children from. Porn filters have been said to be next to useless in the past with early ones just blocking pics with 80% skin tone such as a face. So, government farmed out, lowest bidder pr0n filter what do you catch, what do you miss and what false positives are 'the children' going to be subjected to despite your porn censor being applied to approx 65m people?

Am I allowed to look at a picture of Winston Churchill or is it seen as 'an older gentleman sucking on a dark cigar'?

Will it catch rule 34 items, given that 'the children' will often search for their cartoon favourites? Given that 'normalisation' is a concern it's interesting that 'man + woman' might be blocked but 'tentacle demon performing an unspeakable act on multiple pastel equines' may not be. There is also that one theory about what started the 'naughty tentacle' thing...

Would something like 'My Immortal' be censored as it is 'just words'?

If parents want to protect their children that is commendable. Provide them every tool you can to do so, allow them to ask their ISP for porn filters, provide them with personal software to do so, give them pamphlets on having 'the talk' with their kids. Don't apply a blanket censor to every person in the country, even if you can guarantee it will never be wrong and will never be mis-used or mis-applied.

Bara_no_Hime:

If he wants to go after child porn, then more power to Mr. Cameron. But why the hell is he attacking regular porn too? They have nothing to do with one another.

Whats a better desperate voter grab than a good ol' Moral Crusade?

To elaborate: The Tories have been hammered in the council elections by UKIP[1] and there have been some divisions in the party over issues like Europe, Gay Adoption etc. (At least going by the last few episodes of Have I got News For You), so Mr. Cameron is going for a publicity stunt to recover lost voters.

Anyone here knows damn well that he actually doesn't think regular porn is bad, the conservatives just need to get back some of the voters they lost to UKIP.

[1] Which is hilarious given that as a one issue party, they'll most likely fade away come the next election, its just that the Tories are/were terrified of them

You already have to do this with many mobile data service providers elsewhere, including the United States, for all of you who are going "WELL FUCK, GLAD I DON'T LIVE THERE, THEN".

That said, kids have found ways to get porn long before the internet, you old sods; the internet is just your latest attempt to find a villain to further your political ends. People shouldn't have to ask for your permission to access such a thing; it's parents' responsibility to mandate these sorts of things, not yours.

exactelly what we needed, even less liberty and more gouvernement intervention...
They know parent can block thouse site themselves at homes right?

Sixcess:

Caffeine_Bombed:
I'm all for blocking access to rape and child porn

I'm not.

Because I don't know what they mean by 'rape porn',and I doubt they know either.

Pretty much every 'rape porn' movie on the internet would be better described as badly-acted-and-unconvincingly-rough-for-the-first-few-minutes porn... but based on the way the government defined 'extreme' porn a few years ago I expect a vague and dangerously broad definition for 'rape' porn. If neither the government, nor the police, nor judges nor juries are exact in their definition then people will have their lives ruined when they go on the sex offender list and/or go to jail for possession of entirely consensual pornography.

Thankyou, this a thousand times.
Who gives a fuck what sort of porn people want to watch anyway? As long as it's all consensual then it's all good, right?

What's that, government? You wanna mandate what sort of stuff i wanna consume? How about you fuck off.

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