Bleszinski Appeals To Phil Fish: Get Back In The Game

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Bleszinski Appeals To Phil Fish: Get Back In The Game

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Beat the haters by outperforming, not by quitting, says Bleszinski.

"Never forget that the internet can be a fantastic thing," says Cliff Bleszinski in an open letter to Phil Fish, "but it can also be fantastically dumb." Bleszinski's hoping against hope that Fish can be persuaded to return to gaming, after Fish's flame-out a couple days back. "I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore," Fish said at the time. Bleszinski knows how Fish feels; he's had 20 years worth of the same kind of abuse thrown at him, but the only way to win, says Bleszinski, is to throw all that hate into your work. Then you "unleash one big giant motherfucking HADOKEN upon the community that wins awards and sells millions," leaving the haters to fester while you reap the rewards.

"You don't owe a damned thing to any gaming journalist," Bleszinski says. Journalists are just after hits, and they don't care how they get them. Journalists make sure that the audience only sees what journalists want it to see, "through their often very skewed lens." The argument that sparked this all off was between Fish and GameTrailers presenter Marcus Beer, which ended with Fish Tweeting a wish that Beer kill himself. There are too many 'Rush Limbaughs' out there, according to Bleszinski, but Fish doesn't owe them anything; Fish owes his community a great product, nothing less. "The industry needs people like you to speak with their hearts before their brains," says Bleszinski, "because I'm tired of hearing the PR approved appropriate response. I'm tired of games that feel like they've been developed by focus groups or clueless executives."

"Right before the Beer-Twitter explosion," says Bleszinski, "I saw that you acquired your Oculus Rift and your tweets about it were extremely exciting." To lose the kind of VR game that Fish might have made is intolerable; Bleszinski would put his own money into that product, if he could. "Come back, Phil," he asks. "We miss you already."

Source: Clifford Unchained

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Don't hate the players, hate twitter!

Beat the haters by outperforming, not by quitting, says Bleszinski.

Too bad Fish couldn't outperform his way out of a particularly flimsy wet paper bag.

Just want to add to this situation that a Polytron employee (possibly Blowfish, possibly not) may have acted as an enraged Fez 2 fan on 4chan.

Fun times.

Given some of the kind of shite he's come away with before, I never thought I'd say this but I agree pretty much everything that Cliffy B has written here.

I'd take an game developer with the attitude of Fish making good games over a games journalist with the attitude of Marcus Beer - which are dime a dozen at this point anyway

Haters gonna hate. It's a fact of life, and is especially true on the internet. Knee jerk reactions are rarely the way to go for both sides, it's just that when normal internet denizens do it, they're "anonymous" (ie, one of the faceless masses) and don't have to face a public outcry over it. Public figures do. As for journalists, they thrive of all controversy, and the more aggressive ones probably couldn't care less about hate directed towards them.

I wholly understand Phil's original outburst, even if I can't condone it, but keeping on doing your thing is the better solution just like Cliff says.

"You don't owe games journalists anything, especially not gratitude for all the buzz that turned Fez and therefore you into a big deal!"

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like game journalism is a two-way street. Cliffy may dismiss it as just journalists trying to get hits, but what's he doing if not trying to sell games? He even says that the best way to stop "haters" is to win awards and sell copies. The two groups need each other to thrive, so it seems kinda childish to tell 'em all to fuck off.

hazabaza1:
Just want to add to this situation that a Polytron employee (possibly Blowfish, possibly not) may have acted as an enraged Fez 2 fan on 4chan.

Fun times.

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It is so hard to shoop that. Taking 4chan in any way as a credible source is plain stupid (not related to you but the source of the picture). Especially a figure as hated as Phil could have some guy fix a picture like that to create more negative press.

On topic: I never got the hate for Phil. I really hope he does not give in and continues.

Karloff:
Bleszinski Appeals To Phil Fish: Get Back In The Game

Beat the haters by outperforming, not by quitting, says Bleszinski.

The argument that sparked this all off was between Fish and GameTrailers presenter Marcus Beer, which ended with Fish Tweeting a wish that Beer kill himself quote from Futurama.

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Seems silly now, doesn't it.

I mentioned it in the initial news thread, but I do think Phil taking some time out for himself would probably do him wonders. All that stress can't be healthy for him, if he hasn't suffered a complete mental breakdown already. If he truly wants to continue work on Fez II, then maybe put it on hiatus or something, no need to outright cancel it like that.

Wait, did Cliff Bleszinski just say something the I agree with? Pardon me while I check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood.

Joking aside Cliff is right about not letting abuse on the internet get you down. It's like the old saying "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me". The haters can spew as many curses, slurs, and death threats at you that they want, but unless one of them actually makes an attempt at killing you it's all just pointless words.

Somehow I am not surprised that Cliffy and Fish would be chummy.

They are, after all, both mentally 12 years old.

Cliff, if we could drive you and your backwards opinions off of the internet and gaming in general, we would. Otherwise, we take solace that we could drive off "people" like Phil.

I'm sure Cliffy B sees a lot of himself in fish as far as the same personally. But B has a ton more ground to stand on when dishing back at criticism. But he did really say the best thing for fish. If fish comes back he should stay out of the spotlight, leaving twitter and not commenting on things would really be the best thing for him.

When the creator's outspokenness has done nothing but rightfully made people not purchase fez, it's better off that they don't speak anymore, That's why PR was invented.

Phil Fish is a twat. Blescinski is a useless douche. That said, just because some stupid fuck game media talking head said something bad about you, you shouldn't quit. No matter how big of a twat or useless douche the developer is, no worthless ass pundit should prevent you from doing the things you want to do. Fez was cool. I would play Fez 2. I just don't want to hear Phil Fish's or Cliff Bleszinski's opinion about any of gaming. And that is why Blow and Fish have a bad reputations, because they chose to be huge assholes in the public light. People disliking them should be inconsequential. Especially when a good portion of how people feel about them is there own fault.

I have said it before. I will say it again. Everything about this, from almost every angle, shows how much the whole video game community needs to grow up...

And that twitter's the fucking devil.

T-Shirt Turtle:
Wait, did Cliff Bleszinski just say something the I agree with? Pardon me while I check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood.

Joking aside Cliff is right about not letting abuse on the internet get you down. It's like the old saying "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me". The haters can spew as many curses, slurs, and death threats at you that they want, but unless one of them actually makes an attempt at killing you it's all just pointless words.

The guy actually had a panel in GDC about 2 years ago where he talked a lot about this sort of things, and you know he gets a lot of flack for most of the things he says.

And to the people that say that the twit was a Futurama reference, unless Fish actually clarified that I somewhat doubt it considering other things that he already said.

I get the feeling Fish is hoping people will start sticking up for him, doing the whole "Oh please dont go Fish!" etc. The fact that so far the overwhelming vibe has been "If you're going to be a little bitch then good riddance" is probably not doing much for his ego right now.

thebakedpotato:
I have said it before. I will say it again. Everything about this, from almost every angle, shows how much the whole video game community needs to grow up...

And that twitter's the fucking devil.

Twitter isn't the devil, it's people with no attention spans that can't keep their opinions to themselves that are the devil.

Before I post anything on twitter, I ask myself two questions:

1.) Would I be OK with my boss seeing this?

2.) Would I be OK with my grandma seeing this?

I feel this two step process should be mandatory for everyone who wishes to use the service. Fish isn't the first guy to be ruined by stupid twitter comments and he probably won't be the last.

This is all well and good if your games are good and sell to your audience. Like we've seen with Gearbox and Colonial Marines, you pull this entitled shit when your game is terrible, and you will get no sympathy.

Phil's on shakey ground now. If you come back after this, keep having tantrums, and your next game turns out to be sub-par or bad... you won't ever get the same leeway as before.

Respect is earned, Fish. You made ONE game... a good game, but only one. You don't get Hideo Kojima respect, or even Edmund McMillen respect until you show you can do it again.

TheKasp:

hazabaza1:
Just want to add to this situation that a Polytron employee (possibly Blowfish, possibly not) may have acted as an enraged Fez 2 fan on 4chan.

Fun times.

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It is so hard to shoop that. Taking 4chan in any way as a credible source is plain stupid (not related to you but the source of the picture). Especially a figure as hated as Phil could have some guy fix a picture like that to create more negative press.

Hence the word "may". The 4Chan post is a special kind of pre-emptive nonsense if they photoshopped the image first before posting (which, to be fair, isn't unheard of on 4Chan).

OT: I never even played Fez, but I think that Fish has a problem that probably needs a psychiatrist, not "focussing [it] into your work".

One douche appeals to another douche. I love gaming industry.

So the idiot that quit the industry tells the other moron that quit that he is being selfish? Oh, the irony!

This is exactly why Phil Fish threw this tantrum to begin with; he wants his ego stroked. I for one hope he stays gone.

Cliffy, what exactly makes you think you're an important enough person to inspire someone to change their direction in life. Furthermore, you're trying to stand up for a whiny, easily wounded asshat like Fish. Not exactly the kind of guy I'd be going to bat for for a number of reasons.

Well he's more important then fish at least.

Roander:

Karloff:
Bleszinski Appeals To Phil Fish: Get Back In The Game

Beat the haters by outperforming, not by quitting, says Bleszinski.

The argument that sparked this all off was between Fish and GameTrailers presenter Marcus Beer, which ended with Fish Tweeting a wish that Beer kill himself quote from Futurama.

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Seems silly now, doesn't it.

Given the rest of Fish's rant, I believe Poe's Law is in full effect.

While I feel that Fish's "I'm taking my ball and going home" move is BEYOND childish. I agree that this whole thing reaks of a need to change the general attitude of the whole gaming community.

I don't recall what he's done to piss off people in the past, but from what I understand this guy was attacking him for not forming an opinion on certain Xbox one policies until he understood them better. There are tons of journalists out there spitting total venom wherever they feel and while far from all of it is undeserved, it's unfair for the internet to fire up it's hate machine just because a developer decided to fire back without sounding like he consulted a lawyer first.

Futurama quote or not, I've seen plenty of videos on Esacpist alone who have said horrible horrible (hilarious) things about people and practicies in the industry. It's great for hits and it gets a point across, but why should we hold the people in the hotseat to a higher standard than ourselves?

Some of these guys are genuinely trying hard to pour their hearts into works of art, despite the business end of things constantly trying to make them compromise. To expect them to sit back and take abuse on both ends puts them in a toxic situation and expecting them to just be quiet about it turns us into playground style bullies. Society pushed some kid around too far, he snapped and Fez 2 is the casualty.

Fish may be immature and overreacting, but lets face facts he's just giving back what he got from the community.

I'm part of the minority that's at least never minded Fish & his comments, & at most have supported him for being outspoken about an industry with some serious, fundamental issues. He's abrasive, no question, but people need that sometimes. We need a lil shaking up now & then.

Whether you like Fish and/or Fez is irrelevant. He was on the receiving end of the worst the internet has to offer, & I don't think I need to remind people here how bad that can be. Example: after Lone Survivor was announce to be getting released for the Vita, Jasper Byrne received a 6 page email from a man who threatened to kill his daughter because of it. If this is what happens to a dev for going cross-platform, I can't imagine the bile spewed at Fish in private for his contentious, although not without merit, statements. So, I can't say I blame him for wanting to cut & run

All that said, I'm with Cliffy B on this one (something I very rarely say)
I honestly believe that gaming benefits from diverse viewpoints & while Fish isn't exactly a gentleman, his input had value

Phil Fish, "we miss you already"

Personally im glad Fish left like a baby, he has always been a giant dick and made other indie devs look bad, moreso in that indie games movie, and cliff, just fuck you, i say this because i know you will say something douchy as i type this and i know for a fact that no matter how reads this at what time, you will have said something douchy.

Anyone else get the general impression this is just a grab for free publicity? As if he planned on "rage quitting" then start production again after people starting talking about his game again...... So it is the equivilent of a "leaked" photo from a...... OH LORD I JUST IMAGINED HIM LEAKING A PHOTO!!
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bringer of illumination:
Somehow I am not surprised that Cliffy and Fish would be chummy.

They are, after all, both mentally 12 years old.

I think that you're being generous at assuming they're mentally twelve years old. In my experience, in most people, the "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home" mentality goes away much earlier in life. I also think that CliffyB want Fish back in the game because otherwise he moves ever closer to the top of the biggest douchebags in game development chart.

slash2x:
Anyone else get the general impression this is just a grab for free publicity? As if he planned on "rage quitting" then start production again after people starting talking about his game again...... So it is the equivilent of a "leaked" photo from a...... OH LORD I JUST IMAGINED HIM LEAKING A PHOTO!!
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Ya this Phil Fish guy seems to do something every few months to get himself back in the news, on the gaming websites. He's a media whore basically he is the Ann Coulter of the gaming industry.

I can't be the only one who finds this whole situation depressingly ironic.

Phil Fish, after putting up with tons of hate, being called "childish" (like anybody truly cared about maturity in this industry beforehand), "asshole", "pretentious", etc... after being insulted and name called by another professional media (who apparently is not even partially at fault as is just a poor victim) finally gets enough of the hate and decides to pick up and take his things. And what do people do? Call him names, insult him, berate him, and essentially justify his frustrations and leaving. I don't care if he was the Uwe Boll of gaming, it's a damn shame that anyone would leave this industry yet depressingly not surprising.

In the Escapist comments alone, not including the incredibly biased and nasty sounding news reports, there are full of hate against him simply for existing, and this is supposed to be one of the higher minded, critical thinking gaming forums out there. It's ridiculous, to say the least.

If any of you have seen "Indie Game: The Movie" it is clear that Fish has some problems. That's not presumptuous, he literally admits he has issues with stress, self esteem, and dealing with others. I don't know why this isn't obvious to everyone, Fish does not have the luxury of being in the industry for as long as others, coupled with his social issues he'd have very thin skin.

It frustrates me when I see people tear out someone whose put out so much effort into what he does, and while I don't always agree with how he presents himself, I doubt he does so purposefully. I guess I feel more sympathy for the man because I see myself in a lot of him. He speaks out of his heart, but sometimes his mouth betrays him. In addition to the number of comments from before, now that he's leaving he has thousands more comments out on the internet to completely justify his leaving, something that the people even in this very thread don't seem to goddamn realize.

Meh, I think the less drama our industry has, the better. Good riddance.

Roander:

Karloff:
Bleszinski Appeals To Phil Fish: Get Back In The Game

Beat the haters by outperforming, not by quitting, says Bleszinski.

The argument that sparked this all off was between Fish and GameTrailers presenter Marcus Beer, which ended with Fish Tweeting a wish that Beer kill himself quote from Futurama.

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Seems silly now, doesn't it.

Given the context of the rest of his tweets, the fact that it is a quote is irrelevant.

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