Xbox One Designed For Ten-Year, Always-On Lifespan

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Xbox One Designed For Ten-Year, Always-On Lifespan

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Microsoft sources say the Xbox One is designed to be turned on, and left on, for ten solid years.

The Red Ring of Death: It's like the Black Plague of the modern era, except that nobody died and Microsoft was pretty generous with its warranty support. So really, it wasn't anything like the Black Plague at all. But it was definitely a hassle for 360 owners and a black eye for Microsoft, and so it is that the company is being a little more careful with its next-gen release.

The actual dimensions of the Xbox One haven't been announced but according to Eurogamer it will be "noticeably larger" than the launch version of the Xbox 360. The reason for that big footprint is simple: Microsoft is determined to avoid a repeat of the Red Ring fiasco, and so it's designed the system with a focus on heat dissipation. A "highly-placed source" said the Xbox One is intended to have a ten-year life cycle, switched on the entire time.

Despite putting a priority on cooling, it's also reportedly very quiet, and is "entirely silent" in idle and low-activity states. The fan only kicks in at an audible level when the CPU is under strain, which generally happens only during gaming sessions, and because of its large size it can spin relatively slowly while still providing effective cooling. The optical drive will also be idle during gaming, reducing the noise factor and heat generation even further.

Source: Eurogamer

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You mean they hired an engineer to design it instead of an artist? That explains why it's so much uglier than the 360, but it also speaks quite well to its potential to not completely die.

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Pretty sure though, with cars and PC's though I may be wrong, the most wear and tear actually comes from turning them off and on, unless you're one of those nuts that would keep their console on for 10 years.

Actually if you use it for the all in one entertainment purposes, you might need it to be on for 10 years straight.

Holy cow, an Xbox One article without a negative spin? I must be having a stroke.

EDIT: Just to clarify, that isn't a dig at the Escapist. It's just been a rough couple months for MS is all. ;)

ZZoMBiE13:
Holy cow, an Xbox One article without a negative spin? I must be having a stroke.

EDIT: Just to clarify, that isn't a dig at the Escapist. It's just been a rough couple months for MS is all. ;)

Actually, to be fair, when I saw the article name I immediately thought "Always On? ALWAYS ON!? ALWAYS ON THE BOTTOM OF MY BOOTS!". Obviously thinking of the always-on drm scheme heh.

Could of been fixed with "Xbox One Designed For Ten Years Powered On", or the like.

cursedseishi:

ZZoMBiE13:
Holy cow, an Xbox One article without a negative spin? I must be having a stroke.

EDIT: Just to clarify, that isn't a dig at the Escapist. It's just been a rough couple months for MS is all. ;)

Actually, to be fair, when I saw the article name I immediately thought "Always On? ALWAYS ON!? ALWAYS ON THE BOTTOM OF MY BOOTS!". Obviously thinking of the always-on drm scheme heh.

Could of been fixed with "Xbox One Designed For Ten Years Powered On", or the like.

"Designed for ten years of continuous operation," perhaps?

Anyway, this is actually pretty good news for people who want this console. Lord knows my 360 couldn't stand up to it.

I wouldn't want to see the electricity bill for leaving the xbox for 10 years :P

But anyway nice to hear build quality is a priority this time.

I bet they got rid of the red ring of death by colouring it orange.

Andy Chalk:
[...] The fan only kicks in at an audible level when the CPU is under strain, which generally happens only during gaming sessions [...]

How long did they say the sessions was? Just that could be anything from a half an hour to the entire day.

Best of the 3:
Pretty sure though, with cars and PC's though I may be wrong, the most wear and tear actually comes from turning them off and on, unless you're one of those nuts that would keep their console on for 10 years.

Actually if you use it for the all in one entertainment purposes, you might need it to be on for 10 years straight.

It depends on how often you're turning it on and off. If you only use it for an hour every couple of days, turning it on and off is going to hurt it less than leaving it running. If you're shutting down and restarting your computer ten times a day, you're probably hurting it more than if you just left it running.

I leave my PC running 24/7, just because I jump on and off it often enough. I shut my Xbox down when I'm done with it, because I only sit down to play a game a one or two times a day when I'm actually playing a game on it.

EDIT: Note that it depends on the device as well. If the Xbox 180 is being engineered specifically to be left on continuously, turning it on and off might go back into "greater risk" territory.

Diablo1099:

Andy Chalk:
[...] The fan only kicks in at an audible level when the CPU is under strain, which generally happens only during gaming sessions [...]

How long did they say the sessions was? Just that could be anything from a half an hour to the entire day.

CPUs heat up pretty fast. You're talking pretty much as soon as you're playing any game that puts strain on the CPU, which is going to be most of them.

Best of the 3:
Pretty sure though, with cars and PC's though I may be wrong, the most wear and tear actually comes from turning them off and on, unless you're one of those nuts that would keep their console on for 10 years.

Actually if you use it for the all in one entertainment purposes, you might need it to be on for 10 years straight.

You're correct. It's called heat cycles, and it causes more stress on the hardware than anything else, save overheating. Leaving a computer on 24/7 makes it have a much longer lifespan than one you turn off every day. That is, generally speaking. Hardware failure can happen regardless of treatment. Ironically, letting the computer 'rest' overnight actually hurts it. This is by the way one of the reasons laptops have a much shorter lifespan, as they are generally turned on and off more often. The same hold true for consoles, even smartphones and essentially every other electronic device that has sensitive computer hardware.

BloodSquirrel:
It depends on how often you're turning it on and off. If you only use it for an hour every couple of days, turning it on and off is going to hurt it less than leaving it running.

Nope. Computers last longer the less heat variations there are. Booting up once and then turning it off causes more strain on the hardware than if you leave the computer running idle for a week. If the heat level remains stable, wear and tear is virtually nonexistent. Well, except for the fans. Moving parts do wear out.

So that's one thing that the Xbone 180 does right.

Why would you keep it on 24/7 for 10 years? Apart from wasting electricity it cant do the components inside good. I know it needs to be on so the kinect2 can hear you say "xbox on" when you want to play games. But me, i will just plug it in when i need to use.....will only take a second.

I hope this doesn't mean they expect this generation to last ten years.

And then at the end of 10 years, they would have turned off the servers and every single XBox One on the planet would be a dead useless lump. They could still cause that to happen, but it's at least less likely now they've removed the 24-hour checkin requirement.

ZZoMBiE13:
I must be having a stroke.

We dont want to know what you are doing with your hands.

OT: "Designed" to? well im going to go out on a limb and bet the original 360 was "designed" to last longer that it did. Or are they trying to tell us they intend it to have a 10 year life cycle like the ps3?

flarty:

ZZoMBiE13:
I must be having a stroke.

We dont want to know what you are doing with your hands.

OT: "Designed" to? well im going to go out on a limb and bet the original 360 was "designed" to last longer that it did. Or are they trying to tell us they intend it to have a 10 year life cycle like the ps3?

Holy shit, that actually made me laugh out loud.
Nice one.

TBH, my first thought was "Xbox is going to sit there for 10 years creeping on you via Kinect. Pick a different place to watch porn". A 10 year old lifespan sounds... impressive, but the continuous running not so much

10 year powered life cycle? Is this supposed to be impressive? Because electronics have had decade long powered life cycles for atleast the last 20-30 years, if they are of average quality.

Ah, then Microsoft will have no issue with providing a ten year warranty for the 180.

This would have been nice at the start of the last generation. Sadly, my "buy hardware from microsoft" quota has been filled via repeated purchases of the same damned console.

Such bullshit! There's a fan in the Xbone does it not? there isn't a single fan in the world that can work 10 years straight without service, and when the fan fails the cpu will fry.

If this generation lasts 10 years there won't be a next one, if you don't believe me wait and see.

ExtraDebit:
Such bullshit! There's a fan in the Xbone does it not? there isn't a single fan in the world that can work 10 years straight without service, and when the fan fails the cpu will fry.

Actually, this is not true. I have had 2 80mm Vantec Stealth fans in use constantly for the last 12 years (they're in a media server and have lasted through 3 upgrades). They still work fine and have been running constantly at full speed with the exception of large power outages and upgrades.

Vzzdak:
Ah, then Microsoft will have no issue with providing a ten year warranty for the 180.

Something tells me it won't be even half as long as that. Who knows what gremlins lurk within the Xbone awaiting the day they can emerge and herald the next RRoD.

Why does this news remind me of something? Oh, now I remember.

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At least we know our water will be cool.

Boy will this thread be ironic one year from now when the ram fries the shit out of the Xbox 1.

The title is a bit misleading. I thought it was designed to operate with its always-online DRM for 10 years straight before the servers shut down or the console exploded or fried while they sold us XBOX TWO. Oh well.

I seriously doubt this thing will have an average lifespan of 10 years. All my life I have tried phenominally hard to build a rig that could last for 5 straight years without a single component failure. It usually gets 3.8 before the PSU, memory, motherboard or mouse needs replacement. Oh well, this is just marketing hype meant to spin their horrible track record and make optimists out of sheep.

Also, "cool" and "quiet" rarely happen in one sentence in reality.

The only way an XBOX One will last 10 years and still work is if it STAYS IN THE BOX!

...that, or in cryostatis.

It's interesting that it's made to stay on like a PC. I guess that's the goal since they want it to be the center piece of your living room entertainment. Using it for TV, movies, music, and games it will need to withstand constant use. But I'm quite skeptical. There are many factors and variables in such a use. Dusty homes, cat hair, etc. Saying it can be on for 10 years is one thing, but it actually working is completely different. Hope we don't hear about either system crashing due to faulty designs.

Good news, if true in any capacity.

They keep barreling ahead with advancements in these consoles and no one seems to want to slow down and make sure they are going to not going to malfunction per-maturely. This with the news that the PS4 will run a lot cooler than the last generations gives me a little hope.

I'd like to know where this prototype Xbone One that they've been keeping locked away for ten years is. Because when all the 'durable' Xbones start to break right after the warranty expires, there are going to be a LOT of mad people.

Such irony, that people bitch about how a PC will quickly be outdated by the latest model, when consoles don't even last a fraction of a generation. Even my 3DS broke RIGHT before the warranty expired, and my free (but sans-warranty) replacement broke in about the same time.

Vzzdak:
Ah, then Microsoft will have no issue with providing a ten year warranty for the 180.

Unlikely. Not that I have proof (or really know what I'm talking about TBH), but I have a feeling that this ten-year 'lifespan' is based on people using it for a CPU-light all-in-one entertainment system that Microsoft is trying to sell it as, rather than people using it purely as a CPU-Intensive gaming console.

Antari:
10 year powered life cycle? Is this supposed to be impressive? Because electronics have had decade long powered life cycles for atleast the last 20-30 years, if they are of average quality.

Too true! Cue everyone who still has a N64 or Atari and is on their forth PS3/X360.

BloodSquirrel:
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Seriously? I turn off most all of my appliances and electronics to save electricity wasted on standby modes (appliances use more electricity per year on standby than on actually doing their job, blah blah blah), and you're telling me that I'm cutting down their lifespan? That's what I get for doing my part to save the planet I suppose...

Andy Chalk:
Xbox One Designed For Ten-Year, Always-On Lifespan

Microsoft sources say the Xbox One is designed to be turned on, and left on, for ten solid years.

The fan only kicks in at an audible level when the CPU is under strain, which generally happens only during gaming sessions,

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So the fan of this gaming console only becomes audible when you're gaming? Good thing I don't buy gaming consoles for gaming. I use them as large footrests.
How audible is 'audible'?

Wow, microsoft has designed a whole new hardware that does not wear off within 5 years on average i guess. oh wait, they didnt, this is just another blatant lie.

Best of the 3:
Pretty sure though, with cars and PC's though I may be wrong, the most wear and tear actually comes from turning them off and on, unless you're one of those nuts that would keep their console on for 10 years.

Actually if you use it for the all in one entertainment purposes, you might need it to be on for 10 years straight.

This is a myth. While turning on and off does increase tear. as long as your not restarting it 5 times a day its not. the most hit by that are HDDs who have to spin up/down the motors and as while off the head parks itself, repeatedly spin changes may cause it to hit soemthing and this scrach your hdd. as for other components they are much more resilient. and keeping HDD spinnign always on will wear its motor off before 5 years lifespan anyway, and they you get the head hitting all the time.

Denamic:
You're correct. It's called heat cycles, and it causes more stress on the hardware than anything else, save overheating. Leaving a computer on 24/7 makes it have a much longer lifespan than one you turn off every day. That is, generally speaking. Hardware failure can happen regardless of treatment. Ironically, letting the computer 'rest' overnight actually hurts it. This is by the way one of the reasons laptops have a much shorter lifespan, as they are generally turned on and off more often. The same hold true for consoles, even smartphones and essentially every other electronic device that has sensitive computer hardware.

So then we probably shoudl run all our games on all the time right? because im sure the idle 30C to room temperature 20C is less wear than full load 70C to idle 30C that the computer jumps around all the time while gaming. or maybe we shoudl just remove cooling because that causes rapid loss of heat.
IF heat change is whats damaging, turning it on and off is the smallest part of this change.

Antari:
10 year powered life cycle? Is this supposed to be impressive? Because electronics have had decade long powered life cycles for atleast the last 20-30 years, if they are of average quality.

except computers and most moving parts.

Infernal Lawyer:

BloodSquirrel:
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Seriously? I turn off most all of my appliances and electronics to save electricity wasted on standby modes (appliances use more electricity per year on standby than on actually doing their job, blah blah blah), and you're telling me that I'm cutting down their lifespan? That's what I get for doing my part to save the planet I suppose...

another myth. standby mode uses almost no electricity. you save around 1 dollar [/b]per year[/b] doing this, while significantly reducing the hardware lifespan. ANd your not saving the planet, the need to build new hardware harms it more than electricity on standby mode.

Flunk:

Actually, this is not true. I have had 2 80mm Vantec Stealth fans in use constantly for the last 12 years (they're in a media server and have lasted through 3 upgrades). They still work fine and have been running constantly at full speed with the exception of large power outages and upgrades.

Well, a industry grade fan isnt something you often see in standart gaming console is it?
I had stock fans that lasted 7 years, but thats the record for stocks.

Li Mu:

How audible is 'audible'?

Depends on a fan they use and we really dont know yet.

Infernal Lawyer:

BloodSquirrel:
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Seriously? I turn off most all of my appliances and electronics to save electricity wasted on standby modes (appliances use more electricity per year on standby than on actually doing their job, blah blah blah), and you're telling me that I'm cutting down their lifespan? That's what I get for doing my part to save the planet I suppose...

Like I said, it depends on which appliance and how often you're turning it on. Unless it's something you're constantly starting up and shutting down, you're most likely going to come out ahead turning it off and saving on electricity.

EDIT: Also, depending on what "Standby mode" is, it's quite likely that the appliance is, for all intents and purposes, shut down anyway and is experiencing just as much wear and tear going from standby mode to and as it would going from off to on.

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