Update: Saints Row IV Ditches Drugs To Gain Aussie Blessing

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Update: Saints Row IV Ditches Drugs To Gain Aussie Blessing

One loyalty mission is all that stood between Saints Row IV and a MA15+ rating.

You may recall that the Australian government harbors a deep-rooted suspicion of Deep Silver's Saints Row IV. Naughtiness and depravity - stuff you wouldn't want your wife or servants to look at, Mr. Lawrence - has, so far, persuaded the Australian Classification Board to deny it even the adult R18+ rating. However good things come to those who just say no to drugs, and now that one loyalty mission - Shaundi's, involving alien narcotics - has been removed, the ACB has seen fit to grant it not the adult rating, but MA15+ status. Wives and servants may now rejoice, always preserving the decencies, naturally.

"The removal of this mission has no negative impact on the story or the superpowers and will not detract from the enjoyment players will get from their Saints Row IV experience," says Deep Silver. Plus, it's only about 20 minutes of game time, hardly a dealbreaker. As for the Rectifier, the alien probe that goes where no other probes have gone before, it's still in as DLC. Turns out "drug use related to incentives and rewards is not permitted," as the ACB put it when the R18+ was denied, is the only element that had to be dropped.

Saints Row IV, a PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 title, will come to Australia, and the rest of the world, in August 2013.

Source: Joystiq

Update: Apparently there's a co-op catch. Thanks to the deletion of the loyalty mission, Australian players won't be able to participate in co-op play, except with other Australians.

"Due to the changes we were forced to make, this version is different than the version rated by rating boards like the ESRB, USK, and PEGI, which is why it will be incompatible with those versions in co-op," says the developer.

Source: Facebook

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So, why is there an 18+ rating in australia then? Seems like more of an empty gesture than anything else at this point. Why have it if you are not going to use it and make things stay the same?

I just don't get certain politicians I suppose.

At least nothing major had to be dropped as a result. Sucks that they had to cut content, but compared to the amount of content that game companies have needed to cut in the past at least this one seems minor. Still sad about the dragon and Bollywood ending being cut though. T^T

Sounds like it was cut for everyone. Why not just cut it for them.

The rest of us understand it's a game enough that we could still have it. :/

hickwarrior:
So, why is there an 18+ rating in australia then? Seems like more of an empty gesture than anything else at this point. Why have it if you are not going to use it and make things stay the same?

I just don't get certain politicians I suppose.

Because some things are believed to exceed the R18 rating such as glorify drugs.

The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

Is the edited version worldwide, or just for Oz?

Gaming has always been fucked up here, but i don't think we have ever managed to ruin it for everyone before.

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

Let me respond with another question (or two): Will most players notice/care? Will the game as a whole really be impacted by the section's cut?

Granted those that hear this news will *know*, but how likely are they to be playing through the game thinking "Dammit there was meant to be a drug-related mission here! I can totally see the join where it was cut out."

It's OK.

Even if the drug mission is cut from the game entirely, there's still plenty of drugs to be had in the real world.

So relax... :)

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

left 4 dead 2 was for me uncut when i got it from the US over ebay. it was only cut when i joined a server who had the cut version.
so i guess it will be the same.

I hope it remains uncut for the rest of the world.

I dont need some retards in the aussie government deciding what I can and cant handle half way around the world.

Don't need them deciding that here in aussie-land either, as far as i'm concerned.

BoogieManFL:
Sounds like it was cut for everyone. Why not just cut it for them.

The rest of us understand it's a game enough that we could still have it. :/

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

AntiChri5:
Is the edited version worldwide, or just for Oz?

Gaming has always been fucked up here, but i don't think we have ever managed to ruin it for everyone before.

Desert Punk:
I hope it remains uncut for the rest of the world.

I dont need some retards in the aussie government deciding what I can and cant handle half way around the world.

I don't see why it'd be cut for the rest of the world, seeing as (as far as I'm aware), Australia is the only one that has a problem with it. I mean, the Dildo Bat was essentially removed from the Japanese version of Saints Row the Third, but that didn't mean the rest of the world lost it as well.

Teoes:

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

Let me respond with another question (or two): Will most players notice/care? Will the game as a whole really be impacted by the section's cut?

Granted those that hear this news will *know*, but how likely are they to be playing through the game thinking "Dammit there was meant to be a drug-related mission here! I can totally see the join where it was cut out."

that depends, its a loyalty mission for Shaundi, so there might be missions for everyone in the Saints, so it could be noticeable that Shaundi is the only one without a mission, which could cause people who haven't heard about its removal going online to see why.

Then, facepalms, thousands of them.

Borderlands 2 removed decapitation and dismemberment and all of the elaborate elemental deaths in order to mollify the german and australian censor boards. What pissed me off is the "community reps" claimed ignorance when called out on it. Later the developers finally owned up to it.

Apparently worldwide release opens up a game to worldwide censorship.

Which is another good reason to avoid games by corporate publishers, they will always compromise the developers creative vision when it could make more money.

Oh, but you can still murder tons of people indiscriminately in really brutal ways. Goods job oz. You have successfully defended the children.

Reading between the lines, does this mean that the much touted superpowers will only appear in one 20 minute mission, in a similar way to how they featured in that one mission from the The Trouble With Clones DLC?

I'm guessing that they will either only disappointing feature in one mission (which would be bad for Australian players who wouldn't get to use them at all), or if they are available outside that mission for use during free roam, then you won't need to use the alien narcotics to activate them once they've been unlocked (or you'd activate them by drinking the 'totally not a narcotic' Saints Flow energy drink).

Teoes:

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

Let me respond with another question (or two): Will most players notice/care? Will the game as a whole really be impacted by the section's cut?

Granted those that hear this news will *know*, but how likely are they to be playing through the game thinking "Dammit there was meant to be a drug-related mission here! I can totally see the join where it was cut out."

yes. i only will say:

alien narcotics + Shaundi + loyality mission =
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Blitzwing:

hickwarrior:
So, why is there an 18+ rating in australia then? Seems like more of an empty gesture than anything else at this point. Why have it if you are not going to use it and make things stay the same?

I just don't get certain politicians I suppose.

Because some things are believed to exceed the R18 rating such as glorify drugs.

Why does that matter?! I think anyone that is 18+ gets what drugs are about, so why censor it? The government isn't a nanny that can tell us what's wrong and what's right...

I feel like this just undermines the rating...

rhizhim:
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Mmmmok. Is that something I'd get if I had played a SR game before?

hickwarrior:
Why does that matter?! I think anyone that is 18+ gets what drugs are about, so why censor it? The government isn't a nanny that can tell us what's wrong and what's right...

That's where the Government would argue you're wrong!

Drugs are bad. Drugs are illegal. Therefore to simply acknowledge drugs is also wrong and bad and we've got your name and number now, boy.

Teoes:

rhizhim:

Teoes:

Let me respond with another question (or two): Will most players notice/care? Will the game as a whole really be impacted by the section's cut?

Granted those that hear this news will *know*, but how likely are they to be playing through the game thinking "Dammit there was meant to be a drug-related mission here! I can totally see the join where it was cut out."

yes. i only will say:

alien narcotics + Shaundi + loyality mission =
image

Mmmmok. Is that something I'd get if I had played a SR game before?

loaylity missions are most of the times the better "fleshed out" missions. so yeah.

Honestly, the twats who think an 18 rating isn't enough need to sod off out of australia.

And the rest of the world. Go. Go live on a fucking island somewhere you backwards, over sensitive cunts. Go on, see how you deal with things by yourself.

And on this island, anyone who gets cut and bleeds will be taken to a back room and silently strangled so the kiddies don't have to see blood.

DataSnake:
The big question: will the mission still be in the non-AU release?

In the Reddit AMA they did yesterday someone expressed concern that a censored Australian version "won't feel the same" and in their response they mentioned that the mission would be specifically removed from the Australian version.

"I certainly wish we didn't have to release a censored version in Australia, but as you can imagine there really was't anything we could do about it. I will say that the changes we've made are not too disruptive to the game. Assuming the current edited version gets approved the Australian version will be missing one weapon and one mission, and that is it - nothing else will be changed assuming this passes."

Admittedly it doesn't outright say it's still there in the other version of the game but it's implied enough for me anyways. Also I assume the weapon they are referring to is the probe which looks like it's still making it in as DLC.

"Due to the fact that the word Sex begins with an S, the Austrailian Classification Board has stated they will grant an MA15+ rating should the game drop the letter form the title so to remove any affiliation with the terrible, barbaric act.

Aint's Row IV is set to release in Austrailia in August, 2013."

They better not remove this content from the American release or my hate of the Australian ratings board will reach new levels.

Desert Punk:
I hope it remains uncut for the rest of the world.

I don't need some retards in the aussie government deciding what I can and cant handle half way around the world.

Aye it's worse that we have David filtering the UK's net but we don't need Aussie jumping in and ruining our games with their clearly non existent 18+ rating, I mean why do they even have it if they won't even use it or at least create a higher rating so that can be properly explained and laid out.

So when will the Aussies finally grab the torches and pitchforks and get rid of these jackasses "ruling" them?

Teoes:
Let me respond with another question (or two): Will most players notice/care? Will the game as a whole really be impacted by the section's cut?

Granted those that hear this news will *know*, but how likely are they to be playing through the game thinking "Dammit there was meant to be a drug-related mission here! I can totally see the join where it was cut out."

People that have already played the game are saying that this mission is one of the best in the game, especially if you liked Saints Row 2.

Regardless of content, this mission is part of a set and it's probably gonna be noticeable that one of the missions is too short or missing.

Do we at least get a replacement mission? If not, then screw this game off.

I...I kinda hope they do remove it for everyone.

Now, bear with me, before...put the pitchfork down, please...before you eviscerate me. I'm Australian.

By removing this content, and stating outright why they did it, Deep Silver will put the global gamer focus on Australia and its broken rating system. By broken, I mean, it clearly isn't in line with the similar systems around the world in terms of what it allows.

A global furor over the content being cut would hopefully force the Australian Govt to review it's archaic ideas on what adults are allowed to have, and hopefully bow to putting less draconian regulations in place to align with the ratings systems around the globe.

The Australian people obviously can't do anything about it, we tried and look what we got. A half baked solution. So if it takes the whole world turning on us and glaring to get the damn rules changed, I say bring it on.

I could just be reaching, but something has to be done, and if Deep Silver have the guts to do this, I for one would applaud them.

008Zulu:
Do we at least get a replacement mission? If not, then screw this game off.

Solution: import a version of the game from a country with a less retarded censor-boner...hmmm I can't in good conscience argue that the US or UK governments are less idiotic than the government that is found in Australia but at least, I guess, the US government didn't feel the need to mandate censorship of this particular game. So yeah, import the US version.

Blitzwing:
Because some things are believed to exceed the R18 rating such as glorify drugs.

Wait, what? Could have sworn I watched Scarface on the TV last week and I have also rented Pineapple Express before. It's not as if Scarface depicted a man becoming powerful and wealthy because of drugs and then seemingly able to shake of bullets in his last cocaine fueled stand.

OT: I'm still going to have to try and import this or find an American friend to help get this. I'd rather play games the way the creators wanted them to be played which is one reason I don't have Left 4 Dead 2 yet either. It just makes things worse when the drugs that were used were alien drugs; not even real stuff. What could we possibly think after seeing someone do alien drugs? Build a spaceship to go find aliens to get drugs off of? This whole thing has been a joke.

Won't someone think of the children?
-you could just not buy it for th
THE CHILDREN

Wait, GTA5 showed one of the characters smoking pot in a trailer. He didn't seem to have cancer, and the ratings board was okay with it?

ThingWhatSqueaks:
Solution: import a version of the game from a country with a less retarded censor-boner...hmmm I can't in good conscience argue that the US or UK governments are less idiotic than the government that is found in Australia but at least, I guess, the US government didn't feel the need to mandate censorship of this particular game. So yeah, import the US version.

Feel free to call our censorship board retarded, it really is. Want to know how stupid it is? Even Germany hasn't forced an altered version be sold in their country and in the past they have been more strict on games than Australia.

It is a good thing that most adults around the world can't already obtain pornography, guns (or other weapons) and dangerous amounts of drugs / alcohol. If video-games ALONE touted and glorified these principles, the aforementioned things might actually become legal (GOD HELP US). It would be the absolute collapse of worldwide civilization. It keeps me awake at night, worrying for the poor children ...

BLATANT CENSORSHIP IS THE SYMPTOM OF A FRIGHTENED MIND

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