Joss Whedon Defends Ben Affleck as Batman

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Joss Whedon Defends Ben Affleck as Batman

Joss Whedon and several other figures in the film industry believe Ben Affleck will "crush" his new Batman role.

The announcement that Ben Affleck would be the new Batman in the 2015's Batman/Superman crossover sequel to Man of Steel, sent practical shockwaves through the internet. While some adopted a wait and see attitude, others were outraged, branding it a huge mistake. While there are many in the fan community who think Affleck may be miscast in the role, however, several of the actor/director's Hollywood peers have come to his defense.

Val Kilmer, a former Batman himself, urged fans to "Give Ben a chance!" Meanwhile, Joss Whedon, writer and director of Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog (and The Avengers we suppose) Tweeted his own assessment of the decision to cast Affleck as the Dark Knight. "Affleck'll crush it," he said. "He's got the chops, he's got the chin -- just needs the material. Affleck & Cavill toe to toe -- I'm in."

Perhaps the most spirited response came however, from actor and comedian Patton Oswalt who posted a lengthy defense of Affleck on his Facebook page. "Yeah, the dude's made some bad films. Every actor has. Every actor does. Every actor will. It's a huge, arcing career and NO ONE has control over where it goes," he said. "A Batman portrayed by someone who's tasted humiliation and a reversal of all personal valences -- kind of like Grant Morrison's "Zen warrior" version of Batman, post-ARKHAM ASYLUM, who was, in the words of Superman, "...the most dangerous man on the planet"? Think for a second and admit that Ben Affleck is closer to THAT top-shelf iteration of The Dark Knight than pretty much anyone in Hollywood right now."

Oswalt makes an intriguing case, which leads us to ask the question of whether or not people are being a tad too hard on Affleck. Even we'll confess to being a bit shell shocked by the initial news, but honestly, with many in Hollywood expressing their confidence in Affleck we can't help but wonder if maybe the right man for the job is the man we'd least expect. What's your take on it folks?

Source: IGN

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I wasn't fussed on Affleck as Batman, but if Whedon is defending him, now I feel obliged to suspect him of something.

Affleck will nail it seeing as Bruce Wayne is the actual character. Batman is just a costume.

A guy that was involved with Avengers is defending Batman's actor?
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After watching Argo, I would say Ben has a very fair chance of doing the role justice. I am not worried.

People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

I'm inclined to trust the casting, even as I doubt the wisdom of remaking the franchise so soon.

Either the folks making this have a good, solid vision of where the want to take it, in which case they probably have a much better idea of how Affleck will fit than I do. Or else this is just a rushed cash grab attempt to jumpstart the failing DC movie franchise, in which case casting will wind up the least of its flaws.

If I had to put money on it, I'd be betting on "cash grab", but why not give them the benefit of the doubt until reviews come in?

I agree with Joss Whedon, if the material is there both actors will totally own it. After Man of Steel, which I liked but I know a lot of people didn't, that is the real question.

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

People also had doubts when George Clooney was cast as Batman too, look how that turned out. We can see how well Ben Affleck handled a superhero movie already... look how that turned out too.

He might not be the Batman we want, but maybe he's the Batmen we need... ?

He can be really good, unfortunately he'll be under so much scrutiny, and the movie will be so overhyped, in the end he'll only lose I think.

SweetWarmIce:
Affleck will nail it seeing as Bruce Wayne is the actual character. Batman is just a costume.

Debatable, depends on whose writing him. For example,


Personally, I've always prefered thinking he is Batman and Wayne is mostly a cover, I just find that more fun.

Wicky_42:
He might not be the Batman we want, but maybe he's the Batmen we need... ?

Beaten to the punch!

But honestly, I like Affleck and think that it could be great. A new Batman following from the Nolan trilogy will never be good enough though so I feel like the guy is fighting a losing battle.

In conclusion:

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo!

Ya Affleck does good things when his role is teen dreamboat, hard ass however he can't do.
And let's get real for a moment, people who made the last 3 Batman movies are not in any way involved in this new mash up, so don't even start dreaming of the same bats because he ain't coming back. This is just pie chart fan service time, pick some popular franchises, some popular actors, mix into a new movie... hopefully profit.

I have far more hope that as a comic nerd and director Affleck will keep the clueless directors on track.

J Tyran:

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

People also had doubts when George Clooney was cast as Batman too, look how that turned out. We can see how well Ben Affleck handled a superhero movie already... look how that turned out too.

That could also be because the person who directed daredevil is a bad director. I have seen good actors give mediocre performances due to bad direction.

If Joss Whedon or Peter Jackson were to direct Man of Steel 2 I think they could get Ben Affleck to give a good performance as Batman.

Not to fussed about Ben as Batman, im more concerned how crap this movie will be. Batman can never beat Superman. Ever. Not in the real world that these heroes are set in. An i will walk out the cinema if they play the krytonite card again. Sick of that. Thing is even if Bats has a ring or gloves or whatever with kryptonite, Superman can just fly out of his reach and burn/freeze him from a distance. The whole idea of this movie is stupid, though the idea of them teaming up it good. An yes i know their was a comic where bats beat superman......but im sure there is a comic where Pee Wee Herman beat the Hulk.

I'm sure he'll be fine as Batman. Which is a shame, because he'll probably be the only remotely good thing in the movie.

Did anyone else read the headline as meaning Joss Whedon, in a Batman costume, was defending Ben Affleck from criminals? Nope? Just me?

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Yep, I definitely think people are being way to hard on Affleck as Batman when you know... Zack Snyder is still directing and the movie is called "Batman versus Superman"... I mean seriously, I think this movie is going to suck... but for reasons completely unrelated to casting.

Still don't understand what all the "outrage" is about. It is just like people complaining about Doctor Who switching actors every few seasons: Get over it, they are actors and being paid to fill a role. The role isn't limited to a single actor. Some may be better than others but if one is bad and you don't like him, simply don't give him your money!

Of course everybody is screaming bloody murder that Affleck is going to be Batman, they do that EVERY TIME a new guy gets cast as Batman or Joker or any other Batman character for that matter before it gets released, only to say "BEST. [INSERT BATMAN CHARACTER HERE.] EVER." the moment it actually comes out. He did well in Daredevil (a great movie that doesn't get the love it deserves BTW) and he's had many good roles since. Is Affleck the best possible choice? Probably not, but he's nowhere near the worst.

I'll still never understand why people are more worried about Ben Affleck screwing the movie over when Zack Synder is still directing. The guy who won last years best director Oscar is being directed by the guy who made Sucker Punch think about that for a minute. The best people can hope for is that Zach directs all the action/visual setpieces where as Ben secretly directs the rest.

In Search of Username:
Did anyone else read the headline as meaning Joss Whedon, in a Batman costume, was defending Ben Affleck from criminals? Nope? Just me?

ok

Now I'm sad I didn't, if it makes you feel better.

J Tyran:

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

People also had doubts when George Clooney was cast as Batman too, look how that turned out. We can see how well Ben Affleck handled a superhero movie already... look how that turned out too.

George Clooney was the least of that movie's problems. Afleck was probably one of the better parts of Daredevil, and he's only gotten better since.

I was worried about Chris Evans being Capt. America after Fantsstic Four, but he was exceptional. It's not the actor, it's the material they're given.

I wonder how many of us dinosaurs thought that it was freaking bonkers when Michael "Mr Mom" Keaton got to don the cape and cowl back in 89. Ben Affleck has the acting chops, and the look. It's up to the writer/director not to screw this up now.

Eh, I'll wait and see. I'll admit that Affleck wouldn't have been my first choice, but you never know, he might well "knock it out of the park" as the Americans say. He could also be absolute arse, but we won't know until the movie is out.

I wonder how much of Ledger's Joker was the actor and how much was the director. Nolan knows how to get some amazing performances out of his actors (even Bane had his moments) and I don't have any such faith in Snyder. Yes, I know Nolan is producing, but he won't be involved in the day to day filming; Steven Spielberg produced the Transformers movies, for example.

Affleck is a great actor and a great director, and I'm afraid that's going to be this film's downfall. Affleck's ego will get in the way if he doesn't fully conform to Snyder's vision and we'll have the director shooting for one Batman and the actor playing another. I'm not saying Affleck has a big head, I'm saying he probably knows better than Snyder and will act on his feelings.

And personally, the casting of Affleck rubs me the wrong way because it feels like a Hollywood decision, not made for the good of the film or to the delight of the fanbase. It's not as daring a choice as Robert Downey Jr, Heath Ledger, or even Chris Hemsworth - it's a carefully calculated choice weighing who will put the most asses in seats. Affleck has appeal, but not to the fanboy. He's there to make the film respectable.

This won't be a film for Batman fans, it's going to be Oscar bait wearing a vaguely bat-shaped costume. Whether that's good or bad is up to you, I suppose. I don't see it as a good thing.

See, I didn't like it when they cast Ledger as The Joker, but I wasn't too worried because, hell, Ledger had made some movies I DID enjoy to some extent.

In every movie Ben Affleck has ever stared, the few I enjoyed (right now only Dogma comes to mind), he wasn't really the character that gave the movie a SOUL. Even in Argo, I always criticize that the movie movie was praised for the wrong reasons, everybody loved it because of the events and the events were a merit of HISTORY, not Affleck's acting or anything movie-related (a good movie, don't get me wrong, but ordinary).

Anyway, I look at Affleck and I see the sort of schmuck that hits on your girlfriend in a party, then, after causing some trouble, moves to the next girl and, being such a pain, the bouncer has to kick him off the place. He's always wearing the same expression on his face that reads "I NEED to look serious, otherwise I'll look like a freshman and no one will take me seriously! See, here I'm serious and I'm ALWAYS worried about something". Oh, and he already played Batman, I mean, Marvel's version of him, as in "dark-on-the-edge-of-good-and-evil vigilante", Daredevil, so we all now how serious he can take a taciturn superhero role, yeah...

I'm not a big fan of Bayle either, but he had the "Wayne vibe", fuck, even CLOONEY had that vibe (the movie, sadly, lacked everything else to merit it as a movie per se).

Ps: I hope I'm VERY wrong, at least I'm "under hyped" meaning it'll be easier to enjoy the movie lol

Yeah, no, sorry, but Ben Affleck has the captivating acting chops of a meatloaf.

I know people like to bring in the Heath Ledger comparison, but Affleck has had a long track record of being painfully mediocre. The only movie were he's even remotely interesting to watch is in Dazed and Confused as the paddle bully. The only reason he still even has a career is because he's apparently a decent director. Because if he had to make it on his acting he would've been long forgotten.

Not that I mind him playing Batman, since the idea of a live-action Batman/Superman crossover movie already feels like a desperate attempt that will crash and burn.

Milanezi:

In every movie Ben Affleck has ever stared, the few I enjoyed (right now only Dogma comes to mind), he wasn't really the character that gave the movie a SOUL. Even in Argo, I always criticize that the movie movie was praised for the wrong reasons, everybody loved it because of the events and the events were a merit of HISTORY, not Affleck's acting or anything movie-related (a good movie, don't get me wrong, but ordinary).

I wouldn't even praise Argo as a historical piece. One of the big controversies surrounding Argo is that they did the typical 'American thing' and converted a historical event into propaganda. The movie largely ignores the efforts of Canadians (they, for example, were the ones who created the fake passports in reality) and the British in favour of the good ol' 'AMERICA, FUCK YEAH." In fact, there's one scene that got A LOT of complaints from Canadians (when the Canadian diplomat says they're closing the embassy down, which is a massive insult to the actual people who smuggled the hostages out).

Hell, Ken Taylor, one of the major players in the actual events, called him out on it.

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

I'm inclined to trust the casting, even as I doubt the wisdom of remaking the franchise so soon.

Either the folks making this have a good, solid vision of where the want to take it, in which case they probably have a much better idea of how Affleck will fit than I do. Or else this is just a rushed cash grab attempt to jumpstart the failing DC movie franchise, in which case casting will wind up the least of its flaws.

If I had to put money on it, I'd be betting on "cash grab", but why not give them the benefit of the doubt until reviews come in?

You took the words out of my mouth. Can I have them back please?

In all seriousness, I think Ben can pull it of. It's the script that concerns me.

I'll be happy just as long there are no Batnipples.

SonOfVoorhees:
Not to fussed about Ben as Batman, im more concerned how crap this movie will be. Batman can never beat Superman. Ever. Not in the real world that these heroes are set in. An i will walk out the cinema if they play the krytonite card again. Sick of that. Thing is even if Bats has a ring or gloves or whatever with kryptonite, Superman can just fly out of his reach and burn/freeze him from a distance. The whole idea of this movie is stupid, though the idea of them teaming up it good. An yes i know their was a comic where bats beat superman......but im sure there is a comic where Pee Wee Herman beat the Hulk.

Never read The Dark Knight Returns? they made a pretty good case for Batman taking on Superman in that.

As bizarre and fun as the reveal/speculation for all this is, I keep having to remind myself he was once the front-running choice to direct Justice League. This could very well have less to do with "He's the right guy for the role," and more about "We at WBs aren't doing wonderfully well with DC so let's keep the [recent Oscar winning] high-profile actor/rising-star director in our corner to boost our credibility because God knows we need it" stunt casting.

I actually like Ben. That said, who thought it was a good idea to cast him as an actor instead of a director? Ben as an actor is alright, Ben as a director is fantastic.

SonOfVoorhees:
Not to fussed about Ben as Batman, im more concerned how crap this movie will be. Batman can never beat Superman. Ever. Not in the real world that these heroes are set in. An i will walk out the cinema if they play the krytonite card again. Sick of that. Thing is even if Bats has a ring or gloves or whatever with kryptonite, Superman can just fly out of his reach and burn/freeze him from a distance. The whole idea of this movie is stupid, though the idea of them teaming up it good. An yes i know their was a comic where bats beat superman......but im sure there is a comic where Pee Wee Herman beat the Hulk.

Superman/Batman are comics were they work together. The film will be, too. They won't be fighting each other.

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