Joss Whedon Defends Ben Affleck as Batman

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He's not the actor we want, he's the actor we deserve.

StewShearer:
in the words of Superman, "...the most dangerous man on the planet"? Think for a second and admit that Ben Affleck is closer to THAT top-shelf iteration of The Dark Knight than pretty much anyone in Hollywood right now."

This reminds exactly why Ben Affleck is a bad choice. He does not look like the most dangerous man on the planet. He never has. He looks about as threatening as George Clooney. He might make a good Bruce Wayne, but Batman? No.

I really hope he is great but I sure as hell wouldn't bet on it.

well he said he will crush it. i always considered crushing a synonim to destruction, which is a bad thing. so yes, Joss is right, he will ruin the batman. And yes, we should support him, maybe after this new batman failure they will finally stop making batman and go on to explore different chracters. there is so much batman out there nwo that its oversaturated.

He can't be worse than Clooney. :)

I have nothing against Ben Affleck. I think he'll make a great Bruce Wayne. The thing that bothers me is the idea for this movie. Why Superman vs Batman when there's so many better things they can do with Superman?

I say give the guy a chance. Let's see how he does before we condemn him.

trying to reserve judgement.

hope we get more of a Burton Feel than a Nolanised one. cant see that too serious tone working with Justice League

I wanna give Affleck the benefit of the doubt and think he will do a great job with the role. But, given the fact that the same team that made Man of Steel is working on the upcoming Superman/Batman crossover doesn't leave me brimming with confidence. Unless they plan to do a cheery Batman to play against the dreary Superman (maybe Ben Affleck can channel his inner Adam West), I feel that this movie is gonna end up as two dudes trying to out-brood on another.

I... wait, people had a problem with Affleck being cast as Batman? Really? Why?

Val Kilmer, a former Batman himself, urged fans to "Give Ben a chance!"

If all it takes to make a good Batman actor is having "the chops and the chin", then Val Kilmer would have been the greatest Batman to-date.

People's backlash came from Ben's track record. As Oswalt said: all actors make bad movies, but I'd think that most would argue that Ben has been in way more bad movies than good ones. Could he do alright in the part? Perhaps. But the odds aren't weighted in his favor.

Ben Affleck is an odd case, basically all the movies he's starred in have been absolute garbage (Even the good ones he's acting has been kinda average), but at the same time almost all the movies he's DIRECTED have been amazing. He clearly knows how to make good movies, so maybe with a decent script behind him he'll be able to pull off the acting side of making good movies.

Atmos Duality:
He can't be worse than Clooney. :)

What, you didn't like the Bat-Nipples or Bat-Credit Card? :P

Mr. Q:
Unless they plan to do a cheery Batman to play against the dreary Superman (maybe Ben Affleck can channel his inner Adam West), I feel that this movie is gonna end up as two dudes trying to out-brood on another.

Batman: "Ugh..."
Superman: "Uggghhhhhh..."
Batman: "Uuuuuuuggggghhhhhhhh..."
Superman: "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!"
Batman: "BITCH! MAH PARENTS GOT MURDERED!"
Superman: "BITCH! MAH PLANET GOT KERPLODED!!!"
Yes, truly inspiring dialogue options between two overly angsty heroes. :3

kickyourass:
Ben Affleck is an odd case, basically all the movies he's starred in have been absolute garbage (Even the good ones he's acting has been kinda average), but at the same time almost all the movies he's DIRECTED have been amazing. He clearly knows how to make good movies, so maybe with a decent script behind him he'll be able to pull off the acting side of making good movies.

I was going to bring this up in my previous response as well (the one right above yours). I'm not a big Ben fan (clearly) but I do give credit where it's due: the good movies that I mention in my previous response are 90% of the time the ones that he's personally directed. Again, though, the odds aren't weighted in his favor for this to turn out to be a good role/movie for him considering his track record and the fact that he's not directing.

Though even if he were directing, I bet there'd be a LOT more backlash over that news than the backlash over the fact that he's starring as Batman.

Ben is at best an OK actor. If the script is good enough he'll be good enough....not great but serviceable in the role. I'll hold off final judgement until the film comes out but I don't have high hopes.

RJ 17:

Atmos Duality:
He can't be worse than Clooney. :)

What, you didn't like the Bat-Nipples or Bat-Credit Card? :P

Oh, I don't have nearly as much disdain for Batman & Robin as most. (or the Nostalgia Critic)
I actually find it charming in an absurd way.

If Ben's there to help direct the Batman side of the story to give it more of a mystery tone like he did with Argo then it's great. If Ben's there to fill a roll, and just play his part like with Dare Devil then it's a bad idea. His Dare Devil roll was already a "dark" version a-la Frank Miller, and him doing another roll in the same vain without more control to make sure it's done right will come off as some goth kids dream again.

Atmos Duality:

RJ 17:

Atmos Duality:
He can't be worse than Clooney. :)

What, you didn't like the Bat-Nipples or Bat-Credit Card? :P

Oh, I don't have nearly as much disdain for Batman & Robin as most. (or the Nostalgia Critic)
I actually find it charming in an absurd way.

But... they cast a tragic figure who would give up the world just to save his wife and is both sympathetic and intelligent...

with THE GOVERNATOR.
That's almost as bad as having the perfect Riddler and not make a decent script for the movie.

And...why does Joss Whedon's opinion matter in this? Pretty much all casting for Batman characters has been criticized and let's face it, people quickly change their minds once the actual trailers start coming out. You'd think people would recognize patterns by now

PBMcNair:

SweetWarmIce:
Affleck will nail it seeing as Bruce Wayne is the actual character. Batman is just a costume.

Debatable, depends on whose writing him. For example,


Personally, I've always prefered thinking he is Batman and Wayne is mostly a cover, I just find that more fun.

I think I heard that there was a story in the comics about the whole "Bruce Wayne is the disguise" thing that ended with Batman realizing that thinking of either identity as more real than the other was a bad thing. Don't quote me on this, though.

MCerberus:

But... they cast a tragic figure who would give up the world just to save his wife and is both sympathetic and intelligent...

with THE GOVERNATOR.
That's almost as bad as having the perfect Riddler and not make a decent script for the movie.

...Or letting Tim Burton's grimdark id run completely wild in the second film.
I swear, if he made Gotham look any darker, it'd resemble Venice circa 1357 (Bubonic Plague and all).

Granted, I still like Batman Returns, but seriously. There's grimdark, then there's Grimdark, and then there's BURTON-GRIMDARK. The slivers of light and sanity amidst all that darkness is what makes Burton's first Batman film great for me.

I'm not really invested either way. Unlike some I don't root my personal well being in a movie or it's choice of cast. If it's good I'll eventually watch it and enjoy it. If not, then I won't lose any sleep over it. The cultural concept of Batman is rooted deeply enough into us that it will survive another bad (if that is what happens) portrayal. It's survived Adam West's campiness, it's survived the BDSM I Wish I Was Still Doing Edward Scissorhands gloominess of Tim Burton (who I've never cared for), the flashy and silly retro Adam West campiness of Shumaker, and the negative aspects (of which there were thankfully few) of the Christopher Nolan trilogy.

Batman is stronger than Ben Afleck people, he will endure even if the movie bombs.

Am I the only one who saw the director's cut of Daredevil? It was much better, and if that had been released, the movie would've been much more successful. Ben Affleck did a great job in the role. The problem was the editing. It was cut down into a darker, more adult version of Spider-Man. So, I was sad to see he was never gonna play Daredevil again, and I think he can pull off Batman.

It's the writers/editors/producers I'm worried about. Man of Steel had so much potential.

As long it has nothing to do with the dark knight trilogy I think he'd do an amazing job.

PedroSteckecilo:
Yep, I definitely think people are being way to hard on Affleck as Batman when you know... Zack Snyder is still directing and the movie is called "Batman versus Superman"... I mean seriously, I think this movie is going to suck... but for reasons completely unrelated to casting.

At what point did they already reveal the movie's official title to be that?

Adam Jensen:
I have nothing against Ben Affleck. I think he'll make a great Bruce Wayne. The thing that bothers me is the idea for this movie. Why Superman vs Batman when there's so many better things they can do with Superman?

Easiest way to make money. Somewhat obvious if you even think about it. And considering the amount of attention the movie already has, I think they're pulling it off quite well.

I'm actually interested in this. Affleck's not a great actor, granted, but I think a lot of it depends on which direction they choose to go with Batman this time. The last thing I'd want is a rehash of the Nolan-verse. We had the gothic intimidating Batman of the early days with the Burton movies, we had the campy colourful version of the Adam West series with the Schumacher movies, and we had the scowling sociopath of the newer comics with Nolan. The door's open for an entirely new kind of Batman. Maybe something in the style of the animated series?

I don't really mind that Affleck was cast--I'm worried though that if the film turns to shit that he'll be blamed, regardless of what the issue actually is. And again, Affleck being cast, even if people see it as a problem, is probably the least of the film's possible issues. The only thing I'd like to bring up, not as a point for or against him, is this: we know that DC is planning for a Justice League movie, and that to a certain extent the Man of Steel movies will play into that...does anyone actually see Ben Affleck sticking around for several movies to play the role? Looking at his current flow within Hollywood, I don't imagine he'd be willing to take that much time out for this, and if nothing else it'll be a weird thing to see Affleck in one film while some other actor plays the rest


Anywho, I say give the guy a chance. I can almost guarantee that Ben won't be the worst Batman we've seen. He has some great movies and I think, providing he's given workable material, this could turn out well.

For those saying he doesn't look like Batman...


The guy's gonna be wearing a cowl. Besides, you're completely missing the point. Batman is an idea, a symbol. It shouldn't really matter if his chin looks good in black. If you think about it, you'll really be seeing Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne and his jawline as Batman.

Strazdas:
well he said he will crush it. i always considered crushing a synonim to destruction, which is a bad thing. so yes, Joss is right, he will ruin the batman. And yes, we should support him, maybe after this new batman failure they will finally stop making batman and go on to explore different chracters. there is so much batman out there nwo that its oversaturated.

I believe in this case "crushing" was referencing hitting a home run in Baseball, which is probably more of a strictly american idiom.

The larger issue is: who the hell wants a Batman/Superman movie in the first place?

I personally like Affleck a lot and he's arguably an even better director. But I have zero interest in that movie. The new Batman movie was bad enough and I really dislike Superman, so whatever.

SweetWarmIce:
Affleck will nail it seeing as Bruce Wayne is the actual character. Batman is just a costume.

ehh I wouldn't say that was the case, in the animated series and comics it's always presented that the personality he puts on as Wayne is a made up one, in Batman Beyond there's a scene where he states he doesn't think of him self as "Bruce" when someones trying to trick him into thinking he's hearing voices and it's present in Batman Year One too, when Gordon comes to visit Wayne and he's just lazing around with a couple of girls getting pasted on "champaign". The instant Gordon leaves, he goes back to being serious, gives the girl some cash, and puts down his ginger beer. That and in the animated series, he speaks like Batman as his normal voice, and puts on the Bruce voice when necessary, not the other way around.

Obviously as Bruce gets older, he tends to have less of a playboy/carefree attitude going on, the voice blurs and becomes a bit more in line with Batmans personality, but I'd say Batman was his true character.

Quellist:

SonOfVoorhees:
Not to fussed about Ben as Batman, im more concerned how crap this movie will be. Batman can never beat Superman. Ever. Not in the real world that these heroes are set in. An i will walk out the cinema if they play the krytonite card again. Sick of that. Thing is even if Bats has a ring or gloves or whatever with kryptonite, Superman can just fly out of his reach and burn/freeze him from a distance. The whole idea of this movie is stupid, though the idea of them teaming up it good. An yes i know their was a comic where bats beat superman......but im sure there is a comic where Pee Wee Herman beat the Hulk.

Never read The Dark Knight Returns? they made a pretty good case for Batman taking on Superman in that.

I'm certainly interested to see what the story is for Batman/Superman too, but in SonOfVoorhees defence, I never got the impression that Superman was really going for it in DKR, he was told to take Bruce in obviously, but through out the fight, he's constantly trying to get Bruce to stand down, saying we don't have to do this and whatnot. I think if he'd wanted to, Supes could've ended that fight pretty easily. I'd say even the bits where Bats was really hammering Supes were because he managed to throw him off guard with the shock gloves and the sheer power of the suit.

I do agree with Whedon about the chin

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Joss Wheedon, the guy who thinks Buffy Summers is a strong female character and who wanted to butcher Wonder Woman? That Joss Wheedon?

Yeah, sorry, dude, don't take you at your word. But you make fun films with verbose characters and I appreciate that.

marscentral:
I agree with Joss Whedon, if the material is there both actors will totally own it. After Man of Steel, which I liked but I know a lot of people didn't, that is the real question.

If the material was there, David Spade could own it.

immortalfrieza:
Of course everybody is screaming bloody murder that Affleck is going to be Batman, they do that EVERY TIME a new guy gets cast as Batman or Joker or any other Batman character for that matter before it gets released, only to say "BEST. [INSERT BATMAN CHARACTER HERE.] EVER." the moment it actually comes out. He did well in Daredevil (a great movie that doesn't get the love it deserves BTW) and he's had many good roles since. Is Affleck the best possible choice? Probably not, but he's nowhere near the worst.

Daredevil was awful and AFLAK! was awful in it. The only redeeming quality was the total camp of the Bullseye performance.

I'm actually still convinced they wanted Matt Damon for DD, but due to them appearing in so many movies together, the people responsible got confused and it was too late by the time they found out.

I'd also attest that if you think people change their minds every time, you might want to actually look at some of the feedback for some of the other actors.

But if you thought Daredevil was good, I'm sure this movie won't disappoint.

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

Ledger shouldn't have been a controversial choice, and I actually defended him at the time. While I preferred him doing goofy, campy things, he had already demonstrated quite a bit of versatility. Ben really hasn't in his career. It's not that he's a bad actor, it's just that he doesn't tend to do well outside his wheelhouse.

People always point to the exception, though, and that's what Heath Ledger represented. What's more, he was being stacked up against Jack Nicholson. Not the Joker, because there was no Joker in the 1989 Batman. He was stacked up against Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson to a Prince song, and people doubted he could pull it off. He could have phoned it in and done better. People were being ridiculous.

So yeah. There's a slim chance that Affleck will tap into some hither unto unknown talent and blow us away. There's a much more realistic chance that he's going to be mediocre.

rofltehcat:
Still don't understand what all the "outrage" is about. It is just like people complaining about Doctor Who switching actors every few seasons: Get over it, they are actors and being paid to fill a role. The role isn't limited to a single actor. Some may be better than others but if one is bad and you don't like him, simply don't give him your money!

Doctor Who fans are insane. I'm one of them, I should know. And, on a more controversial note, I'm glad Tennant left, and my buttocks clench every time someone suggests they regenerate backwards. I'm sad to see Smith go, but I will live and so will the show. I don't know the new guy, but I will give him a chance.

However, I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see a good actor in a movie you want to like.

I think the concern is even bigger with superhero movies, as they're kind of existing as a bubble on a pin. We've seen one bad movie kill the Batfranchise for like a Batdecade, and DC is basically placing all its hopes on this one film. Two franchises, as it were. Superman Returns put a kibosh on Superman movies for a good chunk of time, too.

a DC movie series finally managed to catch fire, and people I think are mostly worried and an Affleck vehicle is going to ruin the chances of more movies. Green Lantern basically killed Justice League hopes already, at least in the short term. "Just don't give (them) your money" only further complicates that.

RJ 17:
What, you didn't like the Bat-Nipples or Bat-Credit Card? :P

Mr. Q:
Unless they plan to do a cheery Batman to play against the dreary Superman (maybe Ben Affleck can channel his inner Adam West), I feel that this movie is gonna end up as two dudes trying to out-brood on another.

Batman: "Ugh..."
Superman: "Uggghhhhhh..."
Batman: "Uuuuuuuggggghhhhhhhh..."
Superman: "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!"
Batman: "BITCH! MAH PARENTS GOT MURDERED!"
Superman: "BITCH! MAH PLANET GOT KERPLODED!!!"
Yes, truly inspiring dialogue options between two overly angsty heroes. :3

Heh, bat-nipples. I liked those as a kid. As a child I thought it made batman look way more original.

The actor has the body/face to pull off Bruce Wayne and Batman. Much of the negative impact is from replacing a really popular character in the middle of a series/streak, a portfolio that doesn't say 'I've done tons of superheroes/superhuman/mutants' (or at least loudly that I'm aware of) and jumping into a movie that has already built up a LOT of negative expectations.

People were upset with superman killing; people are upset with batman changing. It's understandable for people to just be upset regardless of whoever decided to take on the challenge. Personally I'm not a huge fan of either character, but might watch it with friends on a lazy day if I get invited to tag along. Good luck with the movie!

J Tyran:

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

People also had doubts when George Clooney was cast as Batman too, look how that turned out. We can see how well Ben Affleck handled a superhero movie already... look how that turned out too.

Why is it that people refer to Affleck's work from a decade ago, but ignore his most recent? What selective bullshit is this?

By the same logic, Leonardo DiCaprio is a terrible actor, when he's anything but.

I'll be fine most likely. Just as long as batman make sense when he speaks.

Ben Affleck is a terrible actor, I am sorry, but I have seen far too many movies with him in them to think otherwise.

Fine, terrible was hyperbole, but he is still a subpar actor.

Hyper-space:

J Tyran:

NoAccountNeeded:
People had doubts when Heath Ledger was cast as Joker.

People also had doubts when George Clooney was cast as Batman too, look how that turned out. We can see how well Ben Affleck handled a superhero movie already... look how that turned out too.

Why is it that people refer to Affleck's work from a decade ago, but ignore his most recent? What selective bullshit is this?

By the same logic, Leonardo DiCaprio is a terrible actor, when he's anything but.

By your logic, Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino are terrible actors, seeing as all their recent movies have been pretty bad.

You cant just ignore previous work, god awful movies Ben Affleck did a decade ago are still relevant to an appraisal of his abilities as an actor.

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