League of Legends Tournament Characters Banned By Iran

 Pages 1 2 NEXT
 

League of Legends Tournament Characters Banned By Iran

Ashe League of Legends

The government of Iran has banned nearly all female characters from a planned League of Legends tournament because they show too much skin.

Iran, as you are no doubt aware, is a hardline Islamist theocracy, not the most welcoming environment for Western videogames. Nonetheless, the World Cyber Games is planning a League of Legends tournament in the country, but - big surprise - it's running into some troubles with the rules.

A message posted on the WCG Iran Facebook page said the Iranian government demanded that the characters Ahri, Akali, Ashe, Caitlyn, Cassiopia, Diana, Elise, Evelyn, Fiora, Irelia, Janna, Karma, Katarina, Kayle, Leblanc, Leona, Lissandra, Lulu, Lux, Miss Fortune, Morgana, Nami, Nidalee, Oriana, Quinn, Riven, Sejuani, Shyvana, Sivir, Sona, Soraka, Syndra, Tristana, Vayne, Vi, and Zyra - all females - be banned from tournament play. The characters Diana, Fiora, Karma (only traditional skin), Kayle, Leona, Lissandra, Lulu, Lux, Nami, Quinn, Sejuani, Tristana and Vayne are being considered for inclusion.

The message has since been removed but a translation remains available on the League of Legends forums. WCG Iran wrote in the comments of the deleted post that the tournament faces restrictions or possible cancellation if it doesn't comply with the demand, and event coordinator Reza Babaei told Kotaku that organizers have been working with the government for the past two months to try to come up with a solution.

There's some confusion as to whether or not this is actually an official event; WCG Iran described it as an "official World Cyber Games tournament," but the League of Legends forum refers to it as "an unofficial LoL event." Either way, the tourney currently scheduled to take place September 12-16, but right now it's all still up in the air.

Source: Kotaku

Permalink

I feel nothing but profound sympathy for most of the people caught living in these hardcore theocracies. I know that very few of them would actually welcome or want it, but I still can't help but wince that we live in a world where some places are just so restrictive.

Everyone on the list of possibles are all, incredibly, sensibly dressed and most are pretty much covered head to toe (except nami, fish cleavage doesn't make sense).

Skins? It's not hard to make a new skin for them just changing the skin colour to cloth colour.

Blizz did it for WoW China and other devs have also done it for other cultures, and I don't think it was a huge deal then, so... don't see it as a huge deal now.

That said, the player level might be way low... not sure if it's worth doing a reskin.

I understand that gaming is and should be international and that it makes no sense for the eSports scene to be held back by geographical or cultural boundaries - but when you're facing a government as strict as Iran's, isn't it just better to host your competition elsewhere, ideally someplace where the organizers will understand that the Champions' appearances aren't much more than window dressing for timers and statistics?

As that's usually what motivates pro gamers - the timing, the challenge and the stats. Nobody who seriously takes to MOBAs is going to say "Sona's my main pick 'cause she's fucking hawt!". Rather, they'll mention her tactical benefits and advantages, all depending on her player's role in the team or if said player goes jungle, top, mid or bottom.

In other words; I'm all for freedom of religion but - seriously, Iran? Cool your jets. I doubt a single tourney is going to Westernize your fine Islamic youth and make them cry out for a multiplication of low-cut jeans and McDonald's.

What part of Vi shows too much skin? Even if they are absurdly restrictive, they're also absurdly inconsistent.

What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women? I know for a fact at least some of you feel showing skin in video games should be outright outlawed. Well now Iran is giving you what you want. Yeah, that's right. The world you want to live in is IRAN. You proud of that?

Okay seriously, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy here. I mean it's alright if you don't want every video game to feature sexy women, or if you don't want every woman in a certain video game to be sexy. But from the forum discussions, it seems like a lot of you think sexiness is inherently wrong in and of itself and should cease to be a thing. Perhaps because you don't understand the importance of neutral free speech, or perhaps because you're just that much of a puritan and you think fantasizing is dangerous. (When in reality, fantasizing is quite healthy and in fact NOT fantasizing is a lot more dangerous. Sexual repression can turn you nuts.)

There are quite a few sexy characters in League of Legends. Caitlyn for example, especially in her officer outfit. Miss Fortune, especially in her midriff-baring default outfit with tight pants. And Ashe's Woad outfit is particularly revealing. Just to name the ones that I use most frequently. So yes, given that League has sexy women, and given that a lot of Escapists seem to be against any kind of sexiness in video games, it would therefore follow that a lot of Escapists agree with Iran. So I reiterate: How does that feel?

Even though I hate religions control on people, I do like they are wanting more covered females... I'm not familiar with lol but I'm all for females being more covered in gaming.

I often feel like the only difference between an in game whore and an in game female warrior is one holds a weapon.

I just don't like the reason why it is an issue.

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women?

It's not about that they do it, it is about everyone doing it. Get it right.

loa:

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women?

It's not about that they do it, it is about everyone doing it. Get it right.

Come now, I said "a lot of you", not "all of you". If you don't think that way, you're not one of them. In fact, I'm with you in this regard. Not all women should be sexy and not all video games should feature sexy women. But there are in fact many people on here who are automatically against any kind of sexiness anywhere. For example, I once spoke to a poster who - I'm not making this up - thought bikinis should be taken off the market.

Even if you're not all that extreme (I have met some open-minded people on here as well. Those are generally the ones who friend me.) The Escapist and Kotaku communities do seem to attract the more prudish types overall.

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women?

To be fair, restricting it like this isn't the answer. The problem has to do with variety, but how can we make that variety other than by making games with women as protagonist in them? By ourselves as an independent developer. And that could take so much time to actually get publicity for the game as well as having the game be good in and of itself.

Also, I don't think you should throw everyone under the bus here when this is blatant censorship. I'm not even sure if any of the female champs are tournament viable, but it does feel like a large selection is getting banned that could be.

So, we just need less censorship and more variety. But how can we as consumers advocate that variety? Buy transistor? Then what? I don't feel like we have much of a choice when you get down to it.

But at one point, might as well shrug if I look at all the other media. They show mostly attractive women regardless. Might as well take it for granted that this exists.

EDIT: Well, I'll leave the rant here. Maybe I am doing what grey said I'd be doing, but not under the pretense of it just being an opinion. I just read your reply to it, so I kind of got ninja'd there.

I've never played LoL but that sounds like literally half the roster. Quite honestly I'm surprised they're even holding a tournament there, seems to me like Iran isn't exactly a gamer-friendly country.

Beyond that, I hate to be "that guy" but......if they do go through with this.....wouldn't that make it a target for "extremist Islamists"? Seems to me that if they're willing to send bomb threats to a guy who made a cartoon featuring Muhammad, they likely wouldn't take too kindly to a large group of people reveling in the unholy sin of looking at scantily clad game characters. >.>

Belated:

loa:

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women?

It's not about that they do it, it is about everyone doing it. Get it right.

Come now, I said "a lot of you", not "all of you". If you don't think that way, you're not one of them. In fact, I'm with you in this regard. Not all women should be sexy and not all video games should feature sexy women. But there are in fact many people on here who are automatically against any kind of sexiness anywhere. For example, I once spoke to a poster who - I'm not making this up - thought bikinis should be taken off the market.

Even if you're not all that extreme (I have met some open-minded people on here as well. Those are generally the ones who friend me.) The Escapist and Kotaku communities do seem to attract the more prudish types overall.

If a poll I did a week or two ago is anything to go by, the majority of people around here actually aren't bothered by it. I'm sure there's some are as I honestly can't see any reason to doubt your anti-bikini anecdote, but I posed the simple question of "Do you like sexy women in games?" (or something along those lines, can't remember the exact wording) with three options: "Yes, I actually prefer them that way", "No, I find it to be offensive/degrading/etc.", or "It honestly doesn't bother me enough to care one way or the other."

I had expected the "no" response to have the majority of the votes, but in actuality it had the fewest. In fact, the "I prefer them that way" beat out the anti-sexy response, though the majority went with "I really don't care one way or the other (i.e. they don't look for it, but they're not bothered by it)."

So yeah, seems the majority of Escapists either like sexy female characters or aren't bothered by it. The poll had a surprisingly large response, each possible answer had over 100 votes, but there you have it: the people who are actually offended/disgusted by sexy female characters are actually the minority.

Granted: I fully understand that an internet forum poll is hardly scientific, just sharing the results.

Edit:
Here's a link to that poll I mentioned in case you were interested.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.824474-Poll-Lets-Get-Some-Honesty-Shall-We-Regarding-Big-Breasts-Sexy-Female-Game-Characters?page=1

Belated:
So yes, given that League has sexy women, and given that a lot of Escapists seem to be against any kind of sexiness in video games, it would therefore follow that a lot of Escapists agree with Iran. So I reiterate: How does that feel?

I think you're confusing sexyness with a lack of character and character diversity. The cliche is of the one dimensional, fit, busty, bare-midriff female character plot device for the protagonist's story. That is what most people are against.

Omega616 clearly should move to the international space station where there are all of ten people, and everyone is always dressed warmly. That way he won't have any clashes with nudity or religion.

Leona? Kayle?? Tristana??? Seriously? Why didn't they ban Annie while they were at it?

Can't they simply make a (inofficial, mandatory) skin pack with headscarfs and burquas? It wouldn't be great but having female fighters at all would probably be better than not having any at all... though some already on the list like Kayle are really not showing much (any?) skin at all nor are very sexualized.
Making skins wasn't really hard back when I reworked a Kog'Maw Yoshi skin. (original model was from someone else, no idea if someone continued it) If a Yoshi skin is possible I'm sure they can make more appropriate reskins.

Edit: My bad, those I named actually seem to be considered to be allowed, it seems. Still, them being banned at first at all is still far too much.

Absolutionis:
What part of Vi shows too much skin? Even if they are absurdly restrictive, they're also absurdly inconsistent.

She wears a miniskirt under her armor and has a tattoo I guess is the reason?

edit- I fall into Iron Stylus' (one of the League character devs) thinking about this. Sexy lady characters are good. Non-sexy lady characters are good. Skins that switch things around are good. Also the splash art probably has too big... tracts of land.

hickwarrior:

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women?

Also, I don't think you should throw everyone under the bus here when this is blatant censorship. I'm not even sure if any of the female champs are tournament viable, but it does feel like a large selection is getting banned that could be.

EDIT: Well, I'll leave the rant here. Maybe I am doing what grey said I'd be doing, but not under the pretense of it just being an opinion. I just read your reply to it, so I kind of got ninja'd there.

RJ 17:
So yeah, seems the majority of Escapists either like sexy female characters or aren't bothered by it. The poll had a surprisingly large response, each possible answer had over 100 votes, but there you have it: the people who are actually offended/disgusted by sexy female characters are actually the minority.

"A lot" is a bit of a tightrope, because I could have meant "most" or I could have meant "many", but you know that I'm covering my ass against any accusations that I mean "all". And in fact, I did mean "many" rather than "most". Though I am aware it's a bit of a dirty arguing trick to use specific wording to cover my ass.

But even then, the opinions of those "many" hardline prudes seem to be represented more frequently on here than on most other websites I frequent. That's basically what I'm getting at. For example, why is it that Dragon's Crown was so controversial? Only one of the characters was sexy to mainstream gamer tastes. (Yeah I know the muscly woman wasn't wearing much, but even my friend who has a fetish for muscular females wouldn't be into her, so she doesn't count.[/i] And the rest of them were pretty well-dressed, if I recall. The elf certainly was. There it was, a perfect example that gave us a little bit of sexiness without making everybody sexy, which is presumably the middle ground that most Escapists want. And yet it became a big controversy. Over that one sexy character. Why?

And indeed, most of the female characters are tournament-viable. I can testify to the strengths of, again, Ashe, Miss Fortune, and Caitlyn. In fact some people think Caitlyn is unbalanced. A lot (not all) of the women in League are sexualized, but none of them are useless. They're taken as seriously as any others. In fact, I think it's a sign of respect that League recently decided to retire the "battle bra" skin of the ice warrior character for some more heavy armor that wouldn't induce hypothermia, but at the same time allowed the original skin to still be used among those who bought that character earlier.

rofltehcat:
Leona? Kayle?? Tristana??? Seriously? Why didn't they ban Annie while they were at it?

Can't they simply make a (inofficial, mandatory) skin pack with headscarfs and burquas? It wouldn't be great but having female fighters at all would probably be better than not having any at all... though some already on the list like Kayle are really not showing much (any?) skin at all nor are very sexualized.
Making skins wasn't really hard back when I reworked a Kog'Maw Yoshi skin. (original model was from someone else, no idea if someone continued it) If a Yoshi skin is possible I'm sure they can make more appropriate reskins.

Edit: My bad, those I named actually seem to be considered to be allowed, it seems. Still, them being banned at first at all is still far too much.

Or they could, you know, NOT have the tournament in a country where women are so oppressed that the half the game's roster is banned. That could probably work too.

Seriously, the fact that they want to have a tournament in Iran is bewildering to me. Not because I doubt there's gamers in Iran, not because I don't think those gamers deserve to have a tournament in their own country, but purely because of what this article points out: the government is a giant bag of dicks.

Belated:
But even then, the opinions of those "many" hardline prudes seem to be represented more frequently on here than on most other websites I frequent.

That's a problem you do run into a lot here on this site, but there's a reason for it. It's kinda the same reason that local nightly news in American cities is always filled with how many people got murdered, how many bloody car accidents there were, how many bodies turned up under the highway overpass. Quite simply it's easier to talk about negative things than it is positive things. When someone goes on a "rant", chances are they're ranting about something that pisses them off rather than ranting about something they absolutely love.

Take the ending to Mass Effect 3. By the "vocal" response seen around this site, you'd have figured almost everyone here hated the game and cursed upon it's makers in anyone who might enjoy the game..................yet it was still voted the Game of the Year by this website. That's probably holds about as much validity (that is to say: little) as the poll I linked, but still: it happened. The thing is that defenders of a give subject generally don't take their defensive arguments to the internet. Why? Because the internet is full of haters. If they post a well thought out reasoning and explanation for why there's nothing wrong with game characters being sexy, their in-box would be absolutely flooded with people shouting from the rooftops and ripping apart every little word they said because someone dared to stand up with an opinion that was contrary to their own.

That's actually why I made that poll in the first place: I wanted to see if I could get some honest answers to judge whether the "popular opinion" (OMG DRAGON'S CROWN HAS BIG BOUNCY BEWBIES AND THAT'S FUCKING HORRIBLE!!!!RRRRAAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!!) was indeed the "popular" opinion. Turns out nearly 1K Escapists said "Meh, "sexy" female characters in a game really aren't that big of a deal to me."

Edit: While the poll itself was just general "how do you feel about "sexy" female characters?", I made it during/in response to all the hub-bub about the Sorceress, that's why I mention it here.

What's the point of the tournament anyways if you're going to ban half the roster? Damn, I can count quite a few that are pretty much mandatory at a competitive level.

Belated:

But even then, the opinions of those "many" hardline prudes seem to be represented more frequently on here than on most other websites I frequent. That's basically what I'm getting at. For example, why is it that Dragon's Crown was so controversial? Only one of the characters was sexy to mainstream gamer tastes. (Yeah I know the muscly woman wasn't wearing much, but even my friend who has a fetish for muscular females wouldn't be into her, so she doesn't count.[/i] And the rest of them were pretty well-dressed, if I recall. The elf certainly was. There it was, a perfect example that gave us a little bit of sexiness without making everybody sexy, which is presumably the middle ground that most Escapists want. And yet it became a big controversy. Over that one sexy character. Why?

Are you just playing thick or are you genuinely that ignorant? It's not about Amazon or Sorceress, it's about nearly every other female character in the game. Curvy women (and often scantly clad) who serve little but to be rescued and twist into poses that display both chest and posterior, or spreading their legs wide for no reason but to provide some cheap fanservice. If the biggest problem was Sorceress then you could at least say "Well, at least she's large and in charge", but the game's also littered with damsels, and let's not even get into the secret poking/groping mini-game that's hidden in the game.

You should at least play the darn game before passing judgement on how much or how little fanservice there's in it. Amazon and Sorceress are basically the tip of the iceberg.

DugMachine:
What's the point of the tournament anyways if you're going to ban half the roster? Damn, I can count quite a few that are pretty much mandatory at a competitive level.

And indeed, good luck running a competitive build without Sona, Elisa or Janna available as support picks. Hell, most support characters are female in LoL.

What? No Poppy ban?

Gizen:
What? No Poppy ban?

Even Iran knows that nobody plays Poppy on Rift.

Pedro The Hutt:

Belated:

But even then, the opinions of those "many" hardline prudes seem to be represented more frequently on here than on most other websites I frequent. That's basically what I'm getting at. For example, why is it that Dragon's Crown was so controversial? Only one of the characters was sexy to mainstream gamer tastes. (Yeah I know the muscly woman wasn't wearing much, but even my friend who has a fetish for muscular females wouldn't be into her, so she doesn't count.[/i] And the rest of them were pretty well-dressed, if I recall. The elf certainly was. There it was, a perfect example that gave us a little bit of sexiness without making everybody sexy, which is presumably the middle ground that most Escapists want. And yet it became a big controversy. Over that one sexy character. Why?

Are you just playing thick or are you genuinely that ignorant? It's not about Amazon or Sorceress, it's about nearly every other female character in the game. Curvy women (and often scantly clad) who serve little but to be rescued and twist into poses that display both chest and posterior, or spreading their legs wide for no reason but to provide some cheap fanservice. If the biggest problem was Sorceress then you could at least say "Well, at least she's large and in charge", but the game's also littered with damsels, and let's not even get into the secret poking/groping mini-game that's hidden in the game.

You should at least play the darn game before passing judgement on how much or how little fanservice there's in it. Amazon and Sorceress are basically the tip of the iceberg.

I'm not throwing stones. I'm not being hostile. The least you can do is return the courtesy. No reason to be throwing insults around. And if you aren't one of the "puritans" I'm referring to then my post really shouldn't be offensive to you.

And yes, the sorceress actually was the biggest problem most people had with that game. Or did I just imagine this comic and this interview? (I'm not crapping on Critical Miss, I love Critical Miss. But the issues people had with Dragon's Crown did in fact seem to be purely cosmetic and this comic demonstrates that.) It had nothing to do with deeper issues that lied within the story. And I know this to be the case because people were offended by the game before it even came out. How can you claim they were offended because of elements that you would notice only by playing the game... if they got offended before they could actually play the game?

couldn't they just whip up a bunch of free potato sack skins for tournament use?

Once again the middle east has shown that it just isn't ready to put on its big boy pants.

Then again prudishness over animated characters is something both they and the United States has in common, they're just taking it to the next logical extreme.

Belated:

And yes, the sorceress actually was the biggest problem most people had with that game. Or did I just imagine this comic and this interview? (I'm not crapping on Critical Miss, I love Critical Miss. But the issues people had with Dragon's Crown did in fact seem to be purely cosmetic and this comic demonstrates that.) It had nothing to do with deeper issues that lied within the story. And I know this to be the case because people were offended by the game before it even came out. How can you claim they were offended because of elements that you would notice only by playing the game... if they got offended before they could actually play the game?

Well, my bad, I thought you were just another guy ragging on the now (in)famous Polygon review by Danielle Riendeau, which I might add I whole heartedly agree with, while the damsels and leg spreading lady-monks (yes) are a problem, what really killed it for me is how repetitive it gets, yes it's a scrolling brawler, but I usually enjoy those and I even greatly enjoyed Vanillaware's previous offering, Muramasa, but here it just feels like a drag, and it also doesn't help that they consistently make you crawl through the same dungeon repeatedly to take care of sidequests or even because the plot says so, and combat is oddly enough not frequent enough to eleviate this feeling of "Ugh, here we go again", Muramasa was basically a Metroidvania with tons of backtracking but at least it solved that by regularly throwing you into fights and using fighting mechanics that never get old. So not only does it have dubious attitudes towards women, it also is just painfully average.

And my apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Wonder if this is because they have their hair out.

Why would even bother having this event there in the first place if its being this restrictive. Also I'm happy this post shall take my post count to 6969.

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women? I know for a fact at least some of you feel showing skin in video games should be outright outlawed. Well now Iran is giving you what you want. Yeah, that's right. The world you want to live in is IRAN. You proud of that?

Okay seriously, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy here. I mean it's alright if you don't want every video game to feature sexy women, or if you don't want every woman in a certain video game to be sexy. But from the forum discussions, it seems like a lot of you think sexiness is inherently wrong in and of itself and should cease to be a thing. Perhaps because you don't understand the importance of neutral free speech, or perhaps because you're just that much of a puritan and you think fantasizing is dangerous. (When in reality, fantasizing is quite healthy and in fact NOT fantasizing is a lot more dangerous. Sexual repression can turn you nuts.)

There are quite a few sexy characters in League of Legends. Caitlyn for example, especially in her officer outfit. Miss Fortune, especially in her midriff-baring default outfit with tight pants. And Ashe's Woad outfit is particularly revealing. Just to name the ones that I use most frequently. So yes, given that League has sexy women, and given that a lot of Escapists seem to be against any kind of sexiness in video games, it would therefore follow that a lot of Escapists agree with Iran. So I reiterate: How does that feel?

What's wrong with a middle ground whereby I would like games developers to not automatically create the majority of female characters as fan service, based on their own initiative that 'this is a good thing to do' rather than because some hardline theocracy is in 'ban this sick filth' mode?

Lulu? Seriously? Does this speaks of shameless heathen sex to you?

I've never played LoL but that sounds like literally half the roster.

About a third. 115 characters, I think I recall only 36 being female.

On one hand I like the idea of their being ADC's besides Vayne and Caitlyn, but on the other hand this just stupid and sexist because Iran tends to be those things when it comes to women.

I mean, they banned Vi and Quinn. There's no compromising with these people that isn't a sex change for all the ladies.

Vhite:
Lulu? Seriously? Does this speaks of shameless heathen sex to you?

it's that little imp floating around that does it, totally naked.

OT: I actually have a friend (pen pall, or e-mail pall, whatever) that lives in Iran, and he basicly face-rolled on his keyboard after hearing the news.
A lot of people over there go along with the islamic doctrines just because they don't wat to get into trouble, but don't really give a damn about the religion itself, it's pretty tiring and frustrating to have all those social norms and restrictions placed on you for something you don't even believe in, or interpret differently than the guy in charge.

Absolutionis:
What part of Vi shows too much skin? Even if they are absurdly restrictive, they're also absurdly inconsistent.

I'm more confused by Kayle. The literally head-to-toe armored warrior. Didn't even know she was female until I heard her in-game voice (this was prior to seeing those helmet-less skins).

Still, it does say something about how some of these characters have silly designs. Like nami. A fish wearing no clothing (save a ceremonial hat and thigh?-plates), yet she just HAPPENS to have evolved a top that exposes significant cleavage. Akali, a ninja whose garb covers only the front of her breasts in a rather loose-seeming fashion (it's kinda hard to see how tight it fits, but the point is that the clothing choice seems to be just asking for her fairly large breasts to flop around and get in the way of her acrobatic fighting style). The chinese art seems to make a bit more sense, though it is still a bit odd to me why she isn't just wearing something like an armored body glove (like shen with non-baggy pants) considering what she does.

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women? I know for a fact at least some of you feel showing skin in video games should be outright outlawed. Well now Iran is giving you what you want. Yeah, that's right. The world you want to live in is IRAN. You proud of that?

Okay seriously, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy here. I mean it's alright if you don't want every video game to feature sexy women, or if you don't want every woman in a certain video game to be sexy. But from the forum discussions, it seems like a lot of you think sexiness is inherently wrong in and of itself and should cease to be a thing. Perhaps because you don't understand the importance of neutral free speech, or perhaps because you're just that much of a puritan and you think fantasizing is dangerous. (When in reality, fantasizing is quite healthy and in fact NOT fantasizing is a lot more dangerous. Sexual repression can turn you nuts.)

There are quite a few sexy characters in League of Legends. Caitlyn for example, especially in her officer outfit. Miss Fortune, especially in her midriff-baring default outfit with tight pants. And Ashe's Woad outfit is particularly revealing. Just to name the ones that I use most frequently. So yes, given that League has sexy women, and given that a lot of Escapists seem to be against any kind of sexiness in video games, it would therefore follow that a lot of Escapists agree with Iran. So I reiterate: How does that feel?

First, in response to something that you post a little later on in this thread, your tone is actually extremely hostile. You call out the majority of this site as mindless, sexless, free-speech hating hypocrites. I'm sorry, but even if that wasn't your intent you come of as incredibly hostile there. You then follow those generalizations to a rather silly conclusion that complaining about sexism in games means that escapist forumers should agree with Iran, which doesn't make much logical sense. The attitudes prevalent here about women in games are that women are too often made to be specifically sexy to the point of removing agency from them, while the attitudes in Iran are that women should not be present in videogames. The ban wasn't originally only characters who were sexy, but ALL (with the exception of the little girl character) female characters, including the goddamned phoenix. In fact, anyone who chooses to play as Annie must set their volume as low as they can to avoid hearing her voice. Kinda different from the attitudes here.

Also, It's slightly annoying whenever anyone calls someone out for not understanding free speech. I think that was uncalled for, since I haven't actually heard anyone here calling for the outright banning of sexy characters. (I'm sure there's one or two people but everyone agrees they're crazy and if you try using them as an example of anything it will just make any other points you have seem invalid.) What I have heard is people saying that they don't like the prevalence of sexiness in female video game characters, that they think the way women are represented in games is highly offensive, and that they'd like it if more normal or badass female characters could be created without needing to be sexy. That's perfectly appropriate, and the request for less hypersexualized women isn't an attempt at censorship or a shot at free speech. In fact it's a great exercise of free speech, saying that this is something they don't like and requesting that it stop. It's not an attempt at censorship to ask someone to change how they do something because it makes people feel uncomfortable and spreads negative stereotypes.

Now that all that's out of the way, I just wanna say that I both agree and disagree with your points about sexuality in LoL.

Firstly, yes, sexuality in and of itself is a great thing. There should definitely be a place for sexy skins in games like LoL. I find battlebunny Riven to be completely hilarious, I think Foxfire Ahri is totally hot (ba-dum-crash), and I firmly believe that every character in the game should have at least one skin with no point other than fan-service. That said, I have some problems with LoL's female character design.

One, a majority of the female character's skins are sexualized (the default skins included) while the same cannot be said about the male skins. Sure, some of the male skins are pretty goddamned smexy (classic lee-sin :3 and basically any TF skin) but even then most of the time the sexiness seems incidental rather than intended (which I honestly think is a pretty big wasted opportunity on riot's part). This is clearly sexism in the game design. Please note that I'm not trying to call out riot or crucify them for being bad people, just pointing out that they obviously have been treating the designs for female champs different from the design for male champs.

Two, the 'make females sexy' taking a skin that really should have it's own theme and turning it into a stripper skin. The two most egregious ones I can think of are Cait's cowgirl and cop skins (and yes, they are both not only skimpy, but also something that it literally looks like a stripper would wear). Because these skins exist I can't actually get a serious western or police skin for Cait, which is really too bad because I'd really like it if those existed. Sexy skins are fine on their own, but when they start replacing content that I really feel deserves to exist by itself then I start getting a little ticked off. Yeah, sexuality is great, attractive sexy characters can be awesome, but it annoys me that that police officer stripper outfit has replaced what could have been a legitimately awesome skin when there are websites I can go to and type in "police officer" and get MUCH more in the way of skin, if you know what I mean. (Disclaimer, I personally don't find either of the skins I mentioned here sexy. Just personal preference, but the exaggerated skimpiness is something of a turn off for me. If the skins had been more realistic with maybe some cleavage showing (like that teacher skin for Fiora) then I'd probably find them pretty sexy, but even then I feel that both these skin ideas could have been totally serious and badass by themselves.)

Three, and finally when it comes to league of legends, I don't like when characters are dressed inappropriately. What I mean by that isn't "OMG you can see bewb!" but that they're dressed in a way that doesn't make sense given the situation that they're in. This is like Sejuani before the rework, or how Cait doesn't have any shoulder pads despite firing off that huge ass gun so often, or any of that characters wearing armor that exposes their midrift, cleavage, or armpits. Also, any combat themed champion who wears heels. Ironically enough, my being a stickler for character designs actually making sense for the character is also what leads me to defend most of the sexy skins. Pool party Leona should be wearing a swimsuit because she's at the pool. Ahri's skins should be sexy because that's the whole focal point of her character. Sadly, while there are some great, theme fitting sexy designs in LoL, loads of the designs just make no sense. This is particularly troubling to me as an armor enthusiast, because forget boob-plate being unrealistic! You wouldn't see any warrior running off to battle wearing a breastplate that didn't cover their midrift unless they were planning on throwing something large quite often. Draven is a great example of a character whose armor was perfectly designed to suit his fighting style, even though the splash art doesn't really show this and you have to go look at his character model up close to see it. They spent so much effort making sure his armor made sense, even going to the trouble of showing how it allowed his shoulders the freedom of movement needed to catch his axes and still stay on him at the same time. And yet for some reason we have female characters with clothing that makes no fucking sense like that weird leather bra thing MF wears (what is it?), or Irelia exposing her armpits because they wanted to clear the area around her cleavage, or how tempest Janna's breastplate ISN'T EVEN ATTACHED TO HER in her splash art (seriously, it's even attached to her in the game, just not on the splash page)! [/close rant about stuff nobody cares about]

Long story short (minus the rant about armor which was more just me going off on a tangent), I think that sexiness in videogames is fine and if I ever made a video game I would totally put fan-service in there. That said LoL does have sexist character art design, despite it actually being one of the best games out there when it comes to it's female characters being independent badasses. It focuses on making it's females attractive sexy first and badass second while it does the opposite on the males, and while almost every single woman in the game has at least one skin solely designed to be sexy there is only a single fan-service skin available for any of the male characters (Varus's default). YES, there ARE attractive men in this game, and there ARE shirtless men in this game. However until we get sexy firefighter Graves and hotpants Ezreal we really won't be able to say that this game has sexy men IN THE SAME WAY it has sexy women. Sexy skins also start becoming a problem when they start replacing regular skins because while they make a great novelty item and I think every character (and I mean EVERY character) should have one at least as a joke, they have their place, and that place should not be as the default skin style for female characters. Finally there's an inconsistency when it comes to clothing design between men and women in LoL because with male champs they often get detailed enough with making sure the armor is good that it makes me all hot and bothered, but with the female champs they don't put the same sort of care into the practicality of the design, which bothers me because I'm pretty sure it's possible to make sexy characters and still have them wear reasonable armor for whatever they're doing.

So yeah...

I type a lot, get off topic easily, and am a little too interested in armor.

Why don't they just put all of the female characters in traditional muslim attire? You know, to destroy their sense of identity just like in the real world. It'll be like LoL crossed with Pacman.

Mister Chippy:
*snip*

A few lines in tells me that you didn't actually read my posts, you skimmed them at best. So I'm going to pay you the respect you paid me by only skimming your post, which you should have no problem with. You think I'm hostile? I'll show you hostile:

-No, I didn't call out the "majority" of escapists as free-speech haters. I called out a minority. A large minority, but a minority nonetheless. My exact words were "A lot". "A lot" is not "most", nor is it "all". "A lot" is many. Less than 50%, but more than 10%. And it sure as hell isn't a "majority", so right of the bat you're angry at me for something I factually didn't say.
-Yes, there ARE in fact "a lot" of people on this site who don't understand the importance of free speech and really do, legitimately want to BAN sexy characters. I met them when I defended Dead or Alive, I met them when I defended Dragons Crown, I met them when I defended Senran Kagura. People who legitimately feel that sexuality is inherently bad and so is fantasizing. They're not the majority, but they're a very large minority on here.
-It's bad enough you only skimmed my posts before criticizing me, but now it seems you also skimmed the news post itself. The attitudes in Iran are not that women should not be present in games. The attitudes of Iran are that the women aren't covered enough. And it is that attitude that I am comparing with a sizable minority of escapists. Yes it's true that all women were banned at first, but they're considering a few better-dressed ones.
-I find it ironic that you should come to me with such hostility when you criticize me for my hostility.

That's it. I'm not looking at the rest of your post because if the opening few parts are any evidence, the rest of it is probably made up of arguments against things I never said, and things that are factually inaccurate. I'll re-read your opinion on what I said, when your opinion is based on things I actually said. But until then, don't insult my intelligence by criticizing arguments I didn't make and missing the overarching point of what it is I'm saying. Plus, it's too goddamn long.

Shamanic Rhythm:

Belated:
What's the matter, Escapists? Aren't you guys always going on and on about how awful it is for a video game to feature sexy women? I know for a fact at least some of you feel showing skin in video games should be outright outlawed. Well now Iran is giving you what you want. Yeah, that's right. The world you want to live in is IRAN. You proud of that?

Okay seriously, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy here. I mean it's alright if you don't want every video game to feature sexy women, or if you don't want every woman in a certain video game to be sexy. But from the forum discussions, it seems like a lot of you think sexiness is inherently wrong in and of itself and should cease to be a thing. Perhaps because you don't understand the importance of neutral free speech, or perhaps because you're just that much of a puritan and you think fantasizing is dangerous. (When in reality, fantasizing is quite healthy and in fact NOT fantasizing is a lot more dangerous. Sexual repression can turn you nuts.)

There are quite a few sexy characters in League of Legends. Caitlyn for example, especially in her officer outfit. Miss Fortune, especially in her midriff-baring default outfit with tight pants. And Ashe's Woad outfit is particularly revealing. Just to name the ones that I use most frequently. So yes, given that League has sexy women, and given that a lot of Escapists seem to be against any kind of sexiness in video games, it would therefore follow that a lot of Escapists agree with Iran. So I reiterate: How does that feel?

What's wrong with a middle ground whereby I would like games developers to not automatically create the majority of female characters as fan service, based on their own initiative that 'this is a good thing to do' rather than because some hardline theocracy is in 'ban this sick filth' mode?

Nothing. Never said there was anything wrong with that. The argument I am making is that there is a witch hunt going on against any amount of skin showing on any one female character in any game whatsoever. That if you made a game with say, 10 well-dressed strong female characters, and one strong female character with her thighs showing, that game would be controversial because of those thighs. Or rather, it wouldn't be controversial, but then Kotaku would start a controversy about it, and The Escapist would follow suit, and then it would be controversial. I acknowledge that there's too much sexuality, and I'm all for toning it down. But what I'm not for is eliminating it, and there are people on this site who are totally for that.

 Pages 1 2 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here