Draw Harley Quinn Naked, Killing Herself, To Win DC Artist Contest

 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 NEXT
 

Draw Harley Quinn Naked, Killing Herself, To Win DC Artist Contest

"Her expression is one of 'oh well, guess that's it for me,'" says DC.

DC Comics is looking for a new artist to join the team, when Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner take over Harley Quinn in November, and a contest has opened up to choose a fan to draw one page of Harley Quinn 0. The artist must draw four panels, and in each one Harley's trying to off herself. Maybe the lighting will fry her, maybe the alligators will wake up and smell the chicken bikini, maybe the whale will chow down. Or perhaps that fourth panel will be the one that finally sees her off, the one where she's sitting naked in a bathtub with a bunch of electrical appliances dangling overhead. She's holding a release cord that will see them plunge into the water. "Her expression is one of 'oh well, guess that's it for me' and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen," according to DC's description.

"I'm a sequential art student, and I find it a bit appalling that the requirement for panel 4 is essentially drawing a female character committing suicide naked," said one commenter, Seairra Willett, in response to DC's announcement. "The sexualisation of suicide is something I will not be putting effort into for a talent search," she added. Many agreed. "This has to be the most repulsive thing DC Comics has done in a while," said Rae Grimm. Others pointed out that the week of September 10th is National Suicide Prevention Week, but the main thrust of the response was that a strong female character was being reduced to a sexualized nothing, and put in a situation that is, at best, unpleasant.

Contest collaborator Jimmy Palmiotti allegedly claimed that the comic was intended to be "Chuck Jones loony toons humor style" but, if so, this requirement - or artistic suggestion, whichever it may have been - isn't given in the contest description, nor is Harley's "statement asking why the writers thinks she wants to [kill herself]" that Palmiotti also allegedly refers to. If anything, the expressions given in the panel descriptions seem at odds with a comic style. "She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy," in panel 1 with the lightning bolts, and "rolling her eyes like once again, she cannot believe where she has found herself," in panel 2 with the alligators. Only in panel 3 is she shown having fun. You could make that a Daffy Duck scenario - the 1940s animators didn't shy away from offensive material or suicide jokes - but there's nothing in the contest description to make it clear that this is what the entrants should be going for.

Issue 0 is intended as an audition piece for the artists, not just the contest winner, according to DC's Dan DiDio. Speaking at a DC Comics meet earlier this year he said that "Harley is going to audition eighteen different artists to draw the first issue," with each artist getting one page to show what they can do. Harley will be critiquing each herself.

Source: DC Comics contest description, also The Daily Dot

Permalink

And then DC wonders why nobody is interested in reading the comics of these characters.

I am not going to go into the whole naked thing or suicide thing, but are just going to focus on the humour part. If this is supposed to be loony tunes, then it's missing the mark more than that Space Warrior in the Future Loony Toons cartoon they made. Slapstick in Loony Toons is funny because of context and execution.

What's funny about this?

I'll quote myself from another topic:

Okay let me ask here... What's the problem?

- people do commit suicide in bathtubs
- when they do it, I assume they're quite often naked

Also, AFAIK, Harley is crazy. Crazy people often run around naked.

Plus it's jut one of 4 panels which are supposed to show her suicide attempts.

So... Well?

Oh, right. 'Naked female suicide' makes for great headlines. No matter that it's just one of 4 scenarios (and the most realistic). No matter that the topic is friggin' SUICIDE. No, it's because it's a) female b) naked. BAN THAT SHIT!!!

BTW if you consider this 'sexualized', ask any paramedic who was called to a real naked female suicide how turned on they were by the dead blue body they found. I think not much.

The funny thing is I can see Har doing this not killing her self but setting up this contest. Something she do for giggles her and the joker are obsessed with death and seeing how far the can make people leave their comfort zone. What the hell have at it could be interesting to see what someone with such a low political correctness can do with someone like Har.

From the way it is described, her being naked isn't a must, it sounds like just a very, very bad example. Yes, the idea of the contest is ungodly stupid and weird, but they are not telling people she has to be naked. It's the "Or perhaps" bit that makes me think this way.

I still think maybe the contest could have been A) Better timed, or B) Any other subject.

Sgt. Sykes:

BTW if you consider this 'sexualized', ask any paramedic who was called to a real naked female suicide how turned on they were by the dead blue body they found. I think not much.

I'm in two minds on this one. Nudity isn't necessarily sexual. Chances are though the entries may end up being a bit more glamour shot than suicide victim (which isn't exactly a realistic depiction of suicide either).

I think the opposition is a little misplaced. I think it might be worth waiting to see what entries they pick as the winners before cranking up the outrage. I could imagine ways of drawing this that could be quite hard-hitting, in a good way.

It's not a requirement though, so I suspect people just need to read a bit more.

Cookiegerard:
From the way it is described, her being naked isn't a must, it sounds like just a very, very bad example. Yes, the idea of the contest is ungodly stupid and weird, but they are not telling people she has to be naked. It's the "Or perhaps" bit that makes me think this way.

I still think maybe the contest could have been A) Better timed, or B) Any other subject.

No. That's just bad writing by Karloff. If you go back to the original DC Comics request, you see it is a must:

"Read the following script page and give us your original artistic interpretation of what those four panels should look like on a single page:

PAGE 15

4 panels

PANEL 1
Harley is on top of a building, holding a large DETACHED cellphone tower in her hands as lightning is striking just about everywhere except her tower. She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.

PANEL 2
Harley is sitting in an alligator pond, on a little island with a suit of raw chicken on, rolling her eyes like once again, she cannot believe where she has found herself. We see the alligators ignoring her.

PANEL 3
Harley is sitting in an open whale mouth, tickling the inside of the whale's mouth with a feather. She is ecstatic and happy, like this is the most fun ever.

PANEL 4
Harley sitting naked in a bathtub with toasters, blow dryers, blenders, appliances all dangling above the bathtub and she has a cord that will release them all. We are watching the moment before the inevitable death. Her expression is one of "oh well, guess that's it for me" and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen.

- See more at: http://www.dccomics.com/node/305151#sthash.pEE1sW7y.dpuf "

That said.. I don't think it's the naked that's at issue..other than that it makes it a more realistic depiction.

Karloff:

"I'm a sequential art student, and I find it a bit appalling that the requirement for panel 4 is essentially drawing a female character committing suicide naked," said one commenter, Seairra Willett, in response to DC's announcement. "The sexualisation of suicide is something I will not be putting effort into for a talent search," she added. Many agreed. "This has to be the most repulsive thing DC Comics has done in a while," said Rae Grimm.

So if I comment loud enough I can be part of the news?

You guys could have just talked about what DC did and leave us to figure out what to think of it.

Keep it classy, DiDio!

Seriously, someone fire him.

Kwil:

Cookiegerard:
From the way it is described, her being naked isn't a must, it sounds like just a very, very bad example. Yes, the idea of the contest is ungodly stupid and weird, but they are not telling people she has to be naked. It's the "Or perhaps" bit that makes me think this way.

I still think maybe the contest could have been A) Better timed, or B) Any other subject.

No. That's just bad writing by Karloff. If you go back to the original DC Comics request, you see it is a must:

"Read the following script page and give us your original artistic interpretation of what those four panels should look like on a single page:

PAGE 15

4 panels

PANEL 1
Harley is on top of a building, holding a large DETACHED cellphone tower in her hands as lightning is striking just about everywhere except her tower. She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.

PANEL 2
Harley is sitting in an alligator pond, on a little island with a suit of raw chicken on, rolling her eyes like once again, she cannot believe where she has found herself. We see the alligators ignoring her.

PANEL 3
Harley is sitting in an open whale mouth, tickling the inside of the whale's mouth with a feather. She is ecstatic and happy, like this is the most fun ever.

PANEL 4
Harley sitting naked in a bathtub with toasters, blow dryers, blenders, appliances all dangling above the bathtub and she has a cord that will release them all. We are watching the moment before the inevitable death. Her expression is one of "oh well, guess that's it for me" and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen.

- See more at: http://www.dccomics.com/node/305151#sthash.pEE1sW7y.dpuf "

That said.. I don't think it's the naked that's at issue..other than that it makes it a more realistic depiction.

Oh ok, in which case... yeah, that is a bit... odd?

I doubt however that they will pick a winner that is full frontal nudity. I reckon they would be going for something more stylised, like there just happens to be bubbles covering her naughty bits, you can only see the back of her, and so forth, that is generally how it is done in comics, based on my limited readings of them.

After this and reading up a bit on what DC has been doing for the past years, they're starting to come across as the comic book company version of present day microsoft in terms of bad PR and bad decisions...

I would think this was pretty bad if it were for some other character, but really not here.

I mean guys, making Macabre Humor Disturbingly Sexy is the entire conceit of Harley Quinn's aesthetic persona.

I just finished watching the first season of Dexter, and I can say that I find nothing sexualized about dead naked females. It'll only be sexualized if the artist tries to make it so and is capable of it.
The idea is a bit macabre, but I can see Harley, being very unstable, doing such a thing. For some reason I see her only attempting it unsuccessfully. Maybe it's because she's one of my favorite Batman villians.
I don't any problem with DC using this as a test for artists. It sounds like something that could really help distinguish between the different variations of creativity and tone in different artists.

Also:

I'm a sequential art student, and I find it a bit appalling that the requirement for panel 4 is essentially drawing a female character committing suicide naked.

This statement leads me to suspect that this art student would have reacted differently if the character was male. Gender is clearly an issue if it has to be mentioned. If so, that would make that student a sexist hypocrite.

So, it's Harley being... well, Harley?

Is there more to this than the fact that she's naked? Is that really offensive? That a character would be nude whilst taking a bath? People who commit suicide in baths in real life also do it nude because they want to commit suicide whilst taking a bath. I imagine the point is to be relaxed for the act and I don't know anyone who feels relaxed whilst bathing fully clothed.

Look, I know this is really terrible.

But it's also really, really funny.

Cookiegerard:
From the way it is described, her being naked isn't a must, it sounds like just a very, very bad example. Yes, the idea of the contest is ungodly stupid and weird, but they are not telling people she has to be naked. It's the "Or perhaps" bit that makes me think this way.

I still think maybe the contest could have been A) Better timed, or B) Any other subject.

No, it's a requirement. Goto the source, they specifically describe what they want in each panel.

That said, though, if you can't handle drawing something this macabre, then you maybe shouldn't be working as an artist in an industry that DOES sometimes go into dark places. Maybe not as dark as suicide, sure, but that's just it, if you're able to nail this application process, then you should be able to handle whatever DC wants to throw your way. Meanwhile, if you can't handle drawing this submission, then what else will you refuse to draw down the line? DC doesn't wanna have to deal with censoring and rewriting their comics because one artist is constantly throwing fits about the content that they have to draw; even the fairly tame stuff.

I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

EDIT: If this is how DC wants to act, they can consider their logo an automatic deal breaker for me on any product. I'm not offended personally. I'm sickened by their tact.

If I could draw, I'd submit some sort of really ironic death and forget the whole naked thing, (if that's really a requirement they can just do it their own damn selves) like Harley trying to kill herself with a really heavy dose of Joker Toxin.

Maiev Shadowsong:
I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

I imagine they are stressing that she be nude because the final panel is intended to be a realistic (if one containing Harley Quinn) portrayal of suicide in contrast to the more cartoony and absurd panels that come before. It also stresses that Harley's facial expressions show that the final panel is also the only one in which she is genuinely aware of the consequences of her actions and is ready to die. If she was still suited up then it would still seem unrealistic because no one bathes (or commits suicide while bathing) fully-clothed.

Not stressing her lack of clothing would lead to lots of entries that would not suit the intended purpose.

Mysten:

Maiev Shadowsong:
I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

I imagine they are stressing that she be nude because the final panel is intended to be a realistic (if one containing Harley Quinn) portrayal of suicide in contrast to the more cartoony and absurd panels that come before in which Harley appears to understand that they are ineffective and won't actually kill her. If she was still suited up then it would still seem unrealistic because no one bathes (or commits suicide while bathing) fully-clothed.

You stress things that are important. For example, if I was asking someone to draw a playground, a set of swings is expected. But if I mention swings as a requirement, the swings are suddenly front and center. They ask she be nude because they want to see her nude.

EDIT: also, you seemed to have missed the point I was making.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed.

Mysten:
No one bathes (or commits suicide while bathing) fully-clothed.

Exactly. They don't. So why would you need to mention it? If "no one" does it, it's obvious. It's expected. It's so par for course that mentioning it must be intentional.

Refer to everything else I've posted here for why that is.

Sgt. Sykes:
I'll quote myself from another topic:

Okay let me ask here... What's the problem?

- people do commit suicide in bathtubs
- when they do it, I assume they're quite often naked

Also, AFAIK, Harley is crazy. Crazy people often run around naked.

Plus it's jut one of 4 panels which are supposed to show her suicide attempts.

So... Well?

Oh, right. 'Naked female suicide' makes for great headlines. No matter that it's just one of 4 scenarios (and the most realistic). No matter that the topic is friggin' SUICIDE. No, it's because it's a) female b) naked. BAN THAT SHIT!!!

BTW if you consider this 'sexualized', ask any paramedic who was called to a real naked female suicide how turned on they were by the dead blue body they found. I think not much.

Yes, it could be done well. It could be done as the culmination of her spiral into insanity from an honestly pretty abusive relationship with the joker. It could be the final tragic plot point in her story.

But that doesn't seem to be what they're asking for. "Well, this is it for me" and all with three preceding panels, not explaining how she got there, but with other wacky attempts to off herself? We can almost guarantee a good portion will sexualise it simply because Quinn's always been a sexy character in every portrayal, but we can't honestly blame DC for the actions of their fans, but we absolutely can blame them for holding such a competition so close to suicide prevention week, fuck, if they really must've done this, then could they not have made the objective to raise awareness instead?

If absolutely nothing else, you've got to admit it's in bad taste and poorly timed.

"I'm a sequential art student, and I find it a bit appalling that the requirement for panel 4 is essentially drawing a female character committing suicide naked," said one commenter, Seairra Willett, in response to DC's announcement. "The sexualisation of suicide is something I will not be putting effort into for a talent search,"

Something I wanted to address here: naked doesn't necessarily mean it has to be sexualised. We've seen comics before with nudity where it was decidedly not sexy or titillating in any conceivable way. Therefore, wouldn't it be better to create a panel where Harley is naked but not necessarily sexualised rather than inferring that that's the only way it will turn out? I mean sure, considering that this is the internet there will no doubt be a slew of entries that are sexualised (and this is of course assuming no one drew this exact same panel before) but at the same time it would seem more effective, and more productive, to draw something that sort of proves you can do a scene like this that doesn't have to be sexualised in order to be effective. I would assume an artist wouldn't resign themselves to something like this and let it be, rather I assume they would try to show their spin on it.

You stress things that are important. For example, if I was asking someone to draw a playground, a set of swings is expected. But if I mention swings as a requirement, the swings are suddenly front and center. They ask she be nude because they want to see her nude.[/quote]

But in this case, swings are a requirement. They want Harley to be nude in this scenario and have asked for as much. Their suit is typically one of if not the most iconic part of any comic hero/villain and in this case they specifically wish for it to be absent and that is totally okay.

Mysten:
But in this case, swings are a requirement. They want Harley to be nude in this scenario and have asked for as much. Their suit is typically one of if not the most iconic part of any comic hero/villain and in this case they specifically wish for it to be absent and that is totally okay.

But you JUST said no one would bath or commit suicide clothed. You specifically make it clear you assume she is naked. The only reason they could mention it is if they specifically wish to see it, then. They want to see her naked. They don't want her in a bath killing herself. They want it clear she is naked and killing herself.

It's disgusting and repugnant. Going out of your way to request you see nudity when someone is committing suicide. Utterly immature.

EDIT: said naked. Meant clothed. My bad!

Maiev Shadowsong:

Mysten:
But in this case, swings are a requirement. They want Harley to be nude in this scenario and have asked for as much. Their suit is typically one of if not the most iconic part of any comic hero/villain and in this case they specifically wish for it to be absent and that is totally okay.

But you JUST said no one would bath or commit suicide clothed. You specifically make it clear you assume she is naked. The only reason they could mention it is if they specifically wish to see it, then. They want to see her naked. They don't want her in a bath killing herself. They want it clear she is naked and killing herself.

It's disgusting and repugnant. Going out of your way to request you see nudity when someone is committing suicide. Utterly immature.

EDIT: said naked. Meant clothed. My bad!

It is just a description of the pannel. She is naked in a bathtub with a toaster.

Are we seriously complaining that a description for an art is descriptive now?

It's disgusting and repugnant. Going out of your way to request you see nudity when someone is committing suicide. Utterly immature.

People don't usually wear clothes when they're taking a bath.

It's not like she's naked while hanging herself, or naked while shooting herself, or naked while taking hundreds of pills.

She's naked where it make SENSE to be naked. In the tub.

And nobody's saying that this has to be even the least bit sexual or arousing.

Artists are fully capable of being serious and mature about the human body. There's nothing inherently immature about this.

The Deadpool:

Maiev Shadowsong:

Mysten:
But in this case, swings are a requirement. They want Harley to be nude in this scenario and have asked for as much. Their suit is typically one of if not the most iconic part of any comic hero/villain and in this case they specifically wish for it to be absent and that is totally okay.

But you JUST said no one would bath or commit suicide clothed. You specifically make it clear you assume she is naked. The only reason they could mention it is if they specifically wish to see it, then. They want to see her naked. They don't want her in a bath killing herself. They want it clear she is naked and killing herself.

It's disgusting and repugnant. Going out of your way to request you see nudity when someone is committing suicide. Utterly immature.

EDIT: said naked. Meant clothed. My bad!

It is just a description of the pannel. She is naked in a bathtub with a toaster.

Are we seriously complaining that a description for an art is descriptive now?

Are you being glib on purpose? Or is that genuine?

I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

That she is naked is par for course. It doesn't need to be mentioned. They intentionally mention it to emphasize it. They want the nudity highlighted. Requesting it be obvious she is naked and committing suicide is revolting.

"I want to see a girl killing herself in the bath. Make sure she's nude."

Houseman:

It's disgusting and repugnant. Going out of your way to request you see nudity when someone is committing suicide. Utterly immature.

People don't usually wear clothes when they're taking a bath.

It's not like she's naked while hanging herself, or naked while shooting herself, or naked while taking hundreds of pills.

She's naked where it make SENSE to be naked. In the tub.

And nobody's saying that this has to be even the least bit sexual or arousing.

Artists are fully capable of being serious and mature about the human body. There's nothing inherently immature about this.

You fail to understand it entirely.

"People don't usually wear clothes when they're taking a bath."

Exactly! They mention nudity because they want to see it. Without it, people would draw her nude, because she's in the bath with water. Obvious. Makes sense. But they request nudity, meaning they want to see it.

"I want to see a girl killing herself in the bath. Make sure she's nude."

Nudity = fine for a comic.
Suicide = fine for a comic.
Nudity and suicide = fine for a comic.

That's not the issue. The issue is they specifically want her nakedness apparent while she kills herself. That's revolting.

I can't say I really see the problem...

I mean this is Harley we're talking about. Her costume is very much a part of her and she's crazy, I don't really see how it's so outrageous to mention she should be naked when in bath like everyone else, normal ain't exactly her standard...

And naked most certainly doesn't have to mean sexualized. There's easily a lot more things that it can express that would be completely appropriate like say vulnerability or comedy. It all depends how it's drawn.

I mean can't we at least wait to see what sort of picture exactly is going to win and as such was what DC wanted? If it turns out to be one where Harley's tits are hooked up to a car battery and there's an electrical toothbrush jammed up her ass, then sure that's fucked up. But let's not jump to conclusions...

Sgt. Sykes:

Also, AFAIK, Harley is crazy. Crazy people often run around naked.

....I'm sorry what? I...what? Where did that come from? Crazy people often run around naked? I...no they don't! Half of Batman's rouge gallery are legally insane, and I don't recall them ever running around naked! I'm sorry man, but that has got to be one of the most massive oversimplifications of insanity that I have ever scene. Insanity is a wide blanket that covers a massive number of cases. Two-Face and the Joker are both insane, but they are inane in completely different ways. Not to mention neither of them have ever run around naked.

I'm sorry, but insane people just don't do this. As a matter of fact, Harley Quinn never does this. In fact in the cartoon that created her, she has just about every inch of skin covered...80% of the time she's on screen. It feels OOC. Speaking of OOC, WHY IS HARELY QUINN COMMITTING SUICIDE!? I just...the upbeat and perky Harley Quinn committing suicide? I know there's a certain tragedy to her character considering her relationship with the Joker being rather abusive, but there's a jump between that and killing yourself.

So yeah, a couple of reasons why I don't like this. Is it sexist? I can't honestly say that. Though it does seem very stupid and more than a little tasteless. Also when I read about it I just can't help but ask myself...WHY!?

Maiev Shadowsong:
Are you being glib on purpose? Or is that genuine?

I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

That she is naked is par for course. It doesn't need to be mentioned. They intentionally mention it to emphasize it. They want the nudity highlighted. Requesting it be obvious she is naked and committing suicide is revolting.

"I want to see a girl killing herself in the bath. Make sure she's nude."

I read it. Your boyfriend thinking so doesn't make it true.

It is a description for an art pannel. Details, even unimportant ones, have to be explained.

THIS is a sexist pannel descrition: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108959/2853752-n33611780323386306242.jpeg

Naked girl bathing? IT IS JUST A DESCRIPTION.

After looking at the actual contest rules, I don't think this is as bad as people are making it out to be. It sounds like they want 3 comical, cartoony suicide attempts, and then to have that contrasted with the final disturbing/realistic one. If people submit their final panel as Harley writhing in naked ecstasy, like some pinup, they've missed the point. Naked is not always sexy. Naked can be vulnerability too, especially in a comic that features costumed super heroes.

Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into it, and they just want some cheesecake?

Hagi:
I don't really see how it's so outrageous to mention she should be naked when in bath like everyone else, normal ain't exactly her standard...

So if it's in Harley's nature to bathe in costume then why would they want artists to go against her nature just to show her naked?

Hagi:

And naked most certainly doesn't have to mean sexualized. There's easily a lot more things that it can express that would be completely appropriate like say vulnerability or comedy. It all depends how it's drawn.

But it's the fact that they drew specific attention to the nakedness, even though that should be the default state in this situation.

The added emphasis is a request that that element be particularly exemplified - that the nakedness be a focal point of the picture. And to make a nude female body the focal point of a piece of comic art - particularly DC comic art - is usually to objectify and sexualize that body.

For further clarification:

Thunderous Cacophony:

A lot of people are mentioning how it's obvious that she would be undressed, as she's in the bath. First off, she's not actually taking a bath. Secondly, if it's obvious, why mention it? It deliberately takes the imagination to a place with a naked woman in it, which has sexual connotations. If they had left out "naked" it's possible that people would have drawn her naked; they also might have left her in her costume, as that's the most obvious identifier of who she is, and could lend a bit of lightheartedness to the scene.

Also, note that there's a discussion thread going about this already.

The Deadpool:

Maiev Shadowsong:
Are you being glib on purpose? Or is that genuine?

I was talking to my boyfriend about this. He pointed something out that someone had pointed out to him.

Why mention her being nude? If she's in the bath, that's expected, right? So why go out of your way to stress it?

They specifically make a point of requesting she be nude. Not just in the bath. Not bathing. Nude. Why? Because stressing that she be naked means the artists stress that she is naked. Her being visibly nude is part of the requirement. DC is going out of their way to ask that her body be exposed. While turning women into bodies to ogle is nothing new, doing it on top of the subject of suicide is profoundly tasteless.

It's not really sexist, but it is objectifying and objectionable. It's also really fucking dumb.

That she is naked is par for course. It doesn't need to be mentioned. They intentionally mention it to emphasize it. They want the nudity highlighted. Requesting it be obvious she is naked and committing suicide is revolting.

"I want to see a girl killing herself in the bath. Make sure she's nude."

I read it. Your boyfriend thinking so doesn't make it true.

It is a description for an art pannel. Details, even unimportant ones, have to be explained.

THIS is a sexist pannel descrition: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108959/2853752-n33611780323386306242.jpeg

Naked girl bathing? IT IS JUST A DESCRIPTION.

Why mention her nudity? Because it's important? Why? Because they want nudity. They leave out all the other detail and limit their description to a single paragraph. One of the single most important features they mention? Make her naked.

If I ask you to draw a woman in a bath, you will draw a woman in a bath, naked.
If I ask you to draw a woman in a bath and specifically ask she be naked, you will go out of your way to make it obvious she is naked. Why? Because I specifically asked for nakedness.

This is the definition of gratuitous. Literally.

Again: "I want to see a girl killing herself in the bath. Make sure she's nude." Sounds strange, huh.

Repulsive.

 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here