Grand Theft Auto V Cost Nearly $267 Million

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Here's the biggest issue, and one overlooked by Rockstar it seems. They want 25 million copies sold, but they left out one of their biggest potential markets, the PC. People are more likely to download a PC game then off their console's market place. So they may have to rely on sales to get the numbers they need if they used steam. It would have made up for it in the long run if it was a slow burn. Not gonna happen now though.

I just have one thing to ask... Why the need to spend a huge chunk for adverts? I seriously think they could have cut the marketing costs in half and the game still would have sold more than enough to make the budget back due to it's brand name giving it a big edge.

If there is one thing I've learned about how most industries work, it's that brand name alone can have a huge impact on how well your product sells, and the GTA brand is one of the main giants in the videogame industry.

The shipping 25 million copies is a year was an industry analyst's prediction, not Rockstar or Take Two saying that it needed to ship that many. GTA IV sold around 6 million units in it's first week and make roughly $500 million, which is nearly twice what the development budget cited here is. I'd expect fairly similar numbers on this go around, so I'd say they're pretty well in the black.

I remember when a new GTA release was really exciting. Man times have changed. The only people really talking about this game are the media.

That... is an exorbitant amount of money. Just what the hell were they developing with that money? The game and a rocket ship to Mars?

I'll be watching this game's release closely but damn, I just can't wrap my head around that figure. Rockstar must really be putting all their eggs in one basket, here's hoping it pays off for them because I want a Max Payne 4.

Yeah screw us PC gamers, we don't need em. We will be greedy and release the game 6-12 months later with another version for the "next gen" and get more money out of the people who will buy it again that will buy the next gen consoles to maximize profits.

Let's waste money on tones of marketing and not bother to make a port for PC to release it simultaneously.

Sigh, I'm kinda tired of their bs, I don't think I will even bother with this game if it releases so late on PC.

vxicepickxv:
The only media to ever cost more is Pirates 3, at 300 million.

Isn't that the porn movie? I knew they were the highest budget porn parodies but gee whiz, 300 million...

Yeahhhhhh wasn't GTA IV huge as well? And that did pretty well. We shall see...did this budget include marketing? add another 100 million minimum if not.

Like everyone else, I'd like to know where that money went to? Food? Equipment? or did one guy make unreasonably high demands for his workspace, like a massage chair, shrimp boat, chocolate fountain, gold plated desk and a personal opera singer to get him in the zone and everybody wanted to get them some of dat?

Looks like someone filed a couple dozen Ferraris under "development costs" for a tax break.....

Rockstar will make this back several times over. My biggest guess at the development cost are server farms for GTA online and the creation, modification and optimization of the game engine.

Andy Chalk:
I DEFEND MY USE OF LITERALLY!

$200 million sunk into TOR just so it could be flipped into free-to-play six months down the road is the very definition of blown money in my mind. If EA had designed that sucker as F2P from the start, you can bet it would've been a lot closer to $20 million.

I wasn't arguing that the money wasn't wasted. I was pointing out that Bioware did not physically blow 200 million dollars onto anything. Apparently, "literally" doesn't mean literally anymore so I was wrong. And two informal uses of the word "blow" in some dictionaries fits with your usage. So I was kind of, maybe wrong there. Not that I looked into this or anything. >.>

Why are these games costing so much???

It can't be salaries. If they had a team of 500 people working on it and they are all paid 100,000 that's only 50M of the 267M budget.

So where is the money going?

I don't know how I feel about this. On the one had it is a ludicrous amount of money to spend on game development and advertising. On the other hand though I am sure Rockstar is going to make this back plus much more and from how GTA V looks that it is money well spent.

I'm assuming that most of it went into developing and designing GTA Online which looks amazing.

dont become the movie industry. budgets this size are completely ludicrous.

Even blasted movies are criticized for costing that much money to develop.

God Speed Rockstar.

With a budget like that, even if the game sold great in comparison to others, it may not put much of a dent into the monstrosity that is that budget.

KevinHe92:

vxicepickxv:
The only media to ever cost more is Pirates 3, at 300 million.

Isn't that the porn movie? I knew they were the highest budget porn parodies but gee whiz, 300 million...

Yeahhhhhh wasn't GTA IV huge as well? And that did pretty well. We shall see...did this budget include marketing? add another 100 million minimum if not.

I'm not sure if that first part is a legit question. He meant pirates of the carribean 3...

Also, the $267m includes the marketing budget.

sth1729:
Rockstar will make this back several times over. My biggest guess at the development cost are server farms for GTA online and the creation, modification and optimization of the game engine.

That would actually make sense, seeing as they are planning on GTA online is being sold as a huge experience so they would have needed to spend a fair bit on that as well.

CriticalMiss:
Damn, that's a lot of money. I'd love to see how that is broken down to the various parts of development/marketing etc. I'm expecting a large chunk was to throw adverts at people, but even so that's a huge budget. Maybe they were using strippers as mouse pads?

Probably advertisements.

I mean, one of them involved renting out the building ad space of three popular hotels in Los Angelos and making three humongous murals just to advertise the thing.

http://youtu.be/d5nEuXmorMI

So this will be the final nail in the coffin for rockstar and the proof that the gaming industry is as bloated and oblivious as Hollywood.

They won't turn away from their "realistic and gritty" path.

Also they want to sell HOW many units and not even mention a PC release? The platform that MADE Rockstar?

So I'm guessing we are looking at yet another multimillion dollar grossing "failure".

Dragonbums:
Even blasted movies are criticized for costing that much money to develop.

God Speed Rockstar.

With a budget like that, even if the game sold great in comparison to others, it may not put much of a dent into the monstrosity that is that budget.

I don't know. If the game sold as well as GTA IV, Vice City or San Andreas each did then that would be 20 million copies sold.

20 million x $60 is $1200 million makes back the budget with a little to spare ;P Even with the 2/3's going to Sony/Microsoft/Retailers that's still $170 million pounds profit.

Heck, if it sells worse than any other main franchise GTA since GTA II, only as well as the PSP spin-off (10 million copies), that's still a tidy $600 million.

It's incredible how well the franchise does when you think about it.

well good to see they are living up to the grand theft part of the title

djl3485:
Why are these games costing so much???

It can't be salaries. If they had a team of 500 people working on it and they are all paid 100,000 that's only 50M of the 267M budget.

So where is the money going?

Well off the top of my head there's production of physical items, marketing, localization.....but really I don't see how even that adds up to as much as the numbers are.

ticklefist:
I remember when a new GTA release was really exciting. Man times have changed. The only people really talking about this game are the media.

Lol.

GTA4 threads are doing so popular on reddit they are turning up on the front page. Reddit is on fire. This site is right now on fire. People on my FB pages are on fire. People want this game.

Me? I could not really give a damn. More of an RTS gamer. If it comes to PC, I will buy it. If it does not, I won't.

Also, are you a sarcasmbot or something?

EDIT:

BrotherRool:
*SNIP*

20 million x $60 is $1200 million makes back the budget with a little to spare ;P Even with the 2/3's going to Sony/Microsoft/Retailers that's still $170 million pounds profit.

*SNIP*

What's a dollarpound?

I wonder if this is even with marketing included in the price.

Mr F.:

ticklefist:
I remember when a new GTA release was really exciting. Man times have changed. The only people really talking about this game are the media.

Lol.

GTA4 threads are doing so popular on reddit they are turning up on the front page. Reddit is on fire. This site is right now on fire. People on my FB pages are on fire. People want this game.

Me? I could not really give a damn. More of an RTS gamer. If it comes to PC, I will buy it. If it does not, I won't.

Also, are you a sarcasmbot or something?

I guess you're really excited about something that's not causing the fever pitch it used to. What's happening on Reddit or your Facebook page don't really compare to the kind of excitement these games used to create. What the hell is so sarcastic about that?

shut up about the pc port, they are not doing it right away because they want to see big numbers on release, and as much as i hate the argument about piracy, if there was a pc port, it would be on the Internets the day before release somehow, and it would take a bite out of the first day/week/month sales.

The budget is big because they are licensing music, as well as months worth of voice acting for the game as well as the in game radio, the budget is big because this is going to be a big game, with a big world.

FogHornG36:
shut up about the pc port, they are not doing it right away because they want to see big numbers on release, and as much as i hate the argument about piracy, if there was a pc port, it would be on the Internets the day before release somehow, and it would take a bite out of the first day/week/month sales.

The budget is big because they are licensing music, as well as months worth of voice acting for the game as well as the in game radio, the budget is big because this is going to be a big game, with a big world.

Ugh, It got leaked on consoles before release.

So it isn't a PC only issue anymore. Consoles aren't secure anymore, this isn't 1994 and people figured out the technology.

Ultratwinkie:

FogHornG36:
shut up about the pc port, they are not doing it right away because they want to see big numbers on release, and as much as i hate the argument about piracy, if there was a pc port, it would be on the Internets the day before release somehow, and it would take a bite out of the first day/week/month sales.

The budget is big because they are licensing music, as well as months worth of voice acting for the game as well as the in game radio, the budget is big because this is going to be a big game, with a big world.

Ugh, It got leaked on consoles before release.

So it isn't a PC only issue anymore. Consoles aren't secure anymore, this isn't 1994 and people figured out the technology.

How many people do you know own a moded xbox or ps3 to play pirate games on? now how many people do you know can play a pirate pc game?

I do understand that pirate consoles exist, but they are much more common in country's were people can't afford realistically can't afford to play what they charge for games makeing a black market for such things.

25 million copies in the first year and no pc release.

go fuck yourself rockstar.

Personally, I think it will sell maybe 10 million in the first 3 months. The price cut will grant maybe another 5 in 6 months. If they have a competent PC version released after this, they could maybe get another 5 before the 12 month frame is up.

ticklefist:

Mr F.:

ticklefist:
I remember when a new GTA release was really exciting. Man times have changed. The only people really talking about this game are the media.

Lol.

GTA4 threads are doing so popular on reddit they are turning up on the front page. Reddit is on fire. This site is right now on fire. People on my FB pages are on fire. People want this game.

Me? I could not really give a damn. More of an RTS gamer. If it comes to PC, I will buy it. If it does not, I won't.

Also, are you a sarcasmbot or something?

I guess you're really excited about something that's not causing the fever pitch it used to. What's happening on Reddit or your Facebook page don't really compare to the kind of excitement these games used to create. What the hell is so sarcastic about that?

I dunno, I am subscribed to a hell of a lot of Reddit pages, yet do not visit them separately. I genuinely just go through the front page, ticking over till I hit about post 100 (So I only look over the 100 most popular posts at any time.). And yet I come across a hell of a lot of GTA5 threads, the number is going down as people get slightly tired, and a hell of a lot of GTA4 threads, cause people keep playing it in preparation for GTA5.

Like I said, I really do not give a damn about GTA5. I am not trying to say it is more popular, or less popular, but it is getting hyped to shit. At Reading Festival I ended up talking about it, both with the strangers I was camping with and the people who were buying beer from me (I was working one of the bars). Most of the people I know on FB are not gamers, I dropped out of the dedicated gaming society at Uni due to... Issues, yet I still get bombarded with GTA5 posts.

So lets see:
- Above Politics, Advice Animals, Funny, blah blah blah, all the stock reddits + smyths and a few I am forgetting, GTA5 posts are making it to the front page and into the top 100 with ease.
- At a music festival where people had come to listen to music I heard about GTA5. During just about every crowd. People coming from Skrillex? Chatted about GTA5. People coming from Alt-J? Chatted about GTA5. People between the ages of 16-28 want this game.
- Of my 100 or so facebook friends, maybe 20 are gamers. Most of those are strategy gamers. I still get a lot of posts about GTA5.

Most non-gamers you meet will have played a GTA game and will on some level want GTA5. If you have a console, you will be buying GTA5 at some point soon.

Saying people ain't excited about this is just simply wrong. I sorta think it might have reached the hype singularity though. I mean, I agree with you that we have not been flooded with GTA5 threads. When Skyrim came out, or was near to coming out, it seemed every other thread was a Skyrim thread posting that utterly misleading promo video. Perhaps because everyone knows that everyone with a console will be buying this game at some point (Second hand or otherwise) noone can be bothered talking about it?

I am just saying that I seriously doubt this game will flop. Again, I have no interest in it (If it ain't on PC I won't give it a second thought.) I ain't a fanboy, last GTA game I beat was Vice City. Its not even that I like Saints Row, SR2 was awesome, SR3 was so bad I couldn't play for more than an hour. I seriously do not care.

Which begs the question "Why have I written this incredibly long post refuting that people are not excited about a game that I am not in any way excited about?"

To which the answer is simple:

There aint any interesting gender-politics threads about, or even any interesting politics threads about, I am bored, my Minecraft mates are all asleep due to time differences and I am trying to distract myself from eating.

FogHornG36:

Ultratwinkie:

FogHornG36:
shut up about the pc port, they are not doing it right away because they want to see big numbers on release, and as much as i hate the argument about piracy, if there was a pc port, it would be on the Internets the day before release somehow, and it would take a bite out of the first day/week/month sales.

The budget is big because they are licensing music, as well as months worth of voice acting for the game as well as the in game radio, the budget is big because this is going to be a big game, with a big world.

Ugh, It got leaked on consoles before release.

So it isn't a PC only issue anymore. Consoles aren't secure anymore, this isn't 1994 and people figured out the technology.

How many people do you know own a moded xbox or ps3 to play pirate games on? now how many people do you know can play a pirate pc game?

I do understand that pirate consoles exist, but they are much more common in country's were people can't afford realistically can't afford to play what they charge for games makeing a black market for such things.

And how do you know modded consoles are rarer?

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/05/student-arrested-for-modding-xbox-consoles/
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/nov/11/xbox-modded-consoles-live-cut-microsoft

If even students can do it, and its common, then it isn't some PC only issue.

There are over a million modded consoles we know of. The obvious mods. Its not hard to mod them either. The tech has been cracked. Instructions are out and about.

anyone who can read can mod consoles now.

With a game like GTA, it will be pirated regardless of platform. There is no "its only for poor countries" because people will pirate everywhere. A student got arrested in California. That isn't Russia or Africa.

Console piracy is more wide spread than you think it is. No one will admit it like a guy won't admit he raped a girl while in front of a video camera.

To put the 25 million copies into perspective. With around 80 M of both the Xbox360 and PS3 sold, they would have to sell a copy of GTA to 1 in 5 people that own one of these consoles. Seeing how this is all over the internet with people being generally stoked. Looking at the the excitement in my personal friends group (which is of course by no means statistically relevant) with pre-order rates alone approaching 50-60%. I dare you to name four people with either an xbox or ps3 that will not get this game for every one person you know that does. Also, this crowd will jump on this like nobody's business as well. I can point out a number of people that I know that only really play Call of Duty and Fifa (the Dutch equivalent to Madden) that will get this as soon as they can get their hands on it. I don't think 25 m is ambitious at all, I think it's very realistic. GTA IV did 6 m units in its first week alone apparently. I think people are more excited about this one and the installed base has only grown since. GTA online may even boost longer term sales. Imagine visiting someone that has GTA, playing GTA online and him telling you, we could do this together. Count me along the not surprised crowd if they reach and outreach their 25 million sales mark.

So is ~270 million a lot of money? Yes. Is it a sensible investment with a guaranteed profit? Definitely.

And if that blasted PC port does come within the first year, there's at least another 5-10 million.

GTA always was a huge budget huge sales deal. however i doubt the 25 millions prediction. after the dread of GTA 4 people will be more cautious now, i dont think it will even sell as much as gta 4 did because that sold on hype alone. Though it does seem like its a great game so i hope it suceeeeeeds.

vxicepickxv:
The only media to ever cost more is Pirates 3, at 300 million.

What? Didnt Avatar cost 300 millions too?

RedEyesBlackGamer:

Ukomba:

RedEyesBlackGamer:
Why? Just why? What could possibly be in the game to justify that kind of budget?
Off Topic: Is the word "literally" that hard to use correctly?

He literally did use it correctly.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

get with the times.

So the word now has two different meanings? People misused it so much that we broke a word? Wow.

Yes. we did. i mean, if we can change the spelling of a word just because president (namely - bush) cant spell it, we sure as hell can change its meaning.
We also broke such words as gay (original meaning: happy), fag (original meaning - wooden stick) and so on. try telling people they should be using it in such way.

FogHornG36:

How many people do you know own a moded xbox or ps3 to play pirate games on? now how many people do you know can play a pirate pc game?

I do understand that pirate consoles exist, but they are much more common in country's were people can't afford realistically can't afford to play what they charge for games makeing a black market for such things.

Ill be honest here, i live in a country where piracy is rampant because after you pay for rent and food you really dont have anything left for games, but we got the best internet in the world, so...
And i know more people with jailbroken console than pirated games on PC. in fact i found that people are more willnig to buy legally on PC than console due to PC games being around 4 times cheaper.
ALL console games get leaked. Altrough the "pirates playing a week before official release" is more promininet on PC. this is mostly due to preloader services like steam, that lets you download the files a week ahead for people with weak internet connection, but we donwload it in 5 minutes and crack it. Piracy on consoles is very much as big a thing as piracy on PC, its just that it requires a investment of buying the actual console, while most PC pirates already have PC for other nongaming needs, so its "Easier" to pirate on PC. also you dont need to burn the DVD for PC versions so that saves some time.

There is no/barely any black market though. Its all free or legal, no shady guys in corners selling games for 10 dollars thing. But we are a nation of thieves anyway (seriuosly, a guy came back from london, and when ia sked him what did he see there his reply was "nothing to see but i stole so much!") so thats kinda given.

267 million? That is...obscene.

Pirates 3's 300 million went into actors, special effects, extras, equipment costs , prop building blah blah blah.

What the hell is 267 million going to do for a game?

When I kill someone, is there fully animated decomposition over time? Complete with flies and nutrient break down? Do the trees in GTA V grow faster if I dump corpses near them?

GTA V had better be a goddamned life simulator with the sheer amount of money being funneled into it.

If the gaming gods smile on us, it hopefully won't end up like Rome 2. Broken, buggy and messed up upon release. They had better NOT pulled a Rome 2 on this one, with the obscene amount of money they put into it.

267 million. Well I be damned. That is probably enough money to buy yourself a plot of land and build a castle on it, hire people to be your private army and servants, and usher forth in the ( Insert name here ) Dynasty. And STILL have leftovers to spare.

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