Ouya Surprised By Reactions to Free the Games Fund

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Amir Kondori:
OUYA is run by idiots. Idiots who don't know how to run a gaming business, who don't know how to market their product, and who don't know how to manage their brand in the slightest. If the OUYA succeeds it will be despite the people running the show.

Yes.

A bunch of people, who are are very, very, very new to the console business, are making screw ups along the way like all inexperienced people do, and are trying their damned hardest to make the thing an success.

teknoarcanist:
How about OUYA stop ducking and dodging and answer the real question directly: are they quietly donating to these games' kickstarter campaigns--including at the very least "Elementary, My Dear Holmes" and "Gridiron Thunder"--in a dishonest fashion which utilizes fake donor accounts?

And if so, why? And if not, then how do they explain (or what is their comment upon) the existence of these accounts, and the source of this money?

Does OUYA have information regarding the fake donor accounts, or the party behind them?

If so, does OUYA intend to share that information?

If not, does OUYA plan to launch an investigation?

If so: do they plan to do so before money changes hands?

If not: why?

And how can backers, customers, and potential customers award OUYA with any credibility whatsoever if OUYA continues to sidestep such major accusations bearing such well-documented evidence?

Why would they dump all that money into Kickstarter donations? No really. Why?

This is a problem with Kickstarter. Not a problem with Ouya.

It is not the people behind Ouya's job to make sure that Kickstarter are able to keep track of which accounts are legit, and which ones are fraud.
They also do not have access to any information regarding those accounts outside of user name and profile pictures.

People have been wanting the Ouya to fail since it's fucking inception. For no other reason than because it was a new idea that went against the norm.

I don't care for the Ouya, nor do I have an interest in buying one, but holy damn, this has got to be the saddest thing I have seen in the gaming industry.

Tanakh:

Dragonbums:
Now all these ridiculous conspiracy theories are coming up. What is wrong with people?

Have you read the wikipedia entry of the controversy? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya ). Stuff seems really shady on the whole Free the Games Found, and I am guessing after 8.5 mill in kickstarter people want some accountability.

I don't think using a missing person's identity to commit fraud is either ridiculous conspiracy theories or should be taken lightly.

I'm talking about the accusations that Ouya themselves are funding these games on kickstarter...to then fund them again with their own money. Which is horribly wasteful.

I don't know why the Ouya is getting the brunt of the accusations that for all intents and purposes is a flaw in Kickstarter than anything else.

That's what I meant about insane conspiracy theories.

AzrealMaximillion:
Wow, there are Ouya fanboys defending the console's clearly exploitable funding system. I never took the Ouya seriously due to its lackluster PR and underwhelming product architecture. Now its going to be even harder to take the damn thing seriously if people are literally going to defend the Ouya staff for not investigating fraudulent funding.

No. The Ouya isn't exploiting anything.
It is the devs involved in Ouya's campaign that is ruining it for everybody else. It isn't Ouya's job to make sure Kickstarter properly identifies which dev donations are legit, and which are frauds. That job belongs to Kickstarter and Kickstarter alone.
The fact that people are putting all the blame of Kickstarter's loop holes on a console that can't control any of that is petty and childish.

lacktheknack:

Dragonbums:
All this hate for the Ouya is sicking and disgusting.

Seriously people, why do you hate the damn thing so fucking much?
It's clear the the people behind the product have their hearts in the right place, but they are pushing in to a hard industry and they are literally babies when it comes to things like this.

While I may not own or care for an Ouya, I am rooting at the sidelines and appluading their efforts to make a mark and carve themselves a nice niche for themselves in this cinder block AAA industry.

All you guys do is sneer and laugh at their attempts yet complain about nothing fresh going on.

Now all these ridiculous conspiracy theories are coming up. What is wrong with people?

I'm not pointing and sneering, I'm recognizing and analyzing.

And these "ridiculous conspiracy theories" are kind of necessary to explain why there's literally thousands upon thousands of dollars streaming in on two titles from a tiny group of "contributors". The most sane explanations are really bloody unfortunate.

Brian Tams:
I'm really not shocked at this point. Ouya has extended their bullshitting to devs now.

...you didn't actually comprehend the article, did you?

As you have pointed out in other posts, devs are either donating large sums of cash in order to take Ouya's cash, or Ouya is donating money themselves and committing fraud. The answer to this is a mere *shrug*

In either case, it sounds like Ouya is bullshitting devs to me. And after me being personally burned by funding Ouya and then being given what amounts to a brick in return, I'd say that they've been bullshitting gamers too.

At the moment there is no reason to get an ouya at all. For a developer who fancies making an exclusive, what incentive is there when there is barely a 1/3 attach rate to the system? Then you have ouya saying that to judge them by the attach rate and sales are an archaic measure, yeah, they are cementing my opinion that they are full of shit.

Dragonbums:

AzrealMaximillion:
Wow, there are Ouya fanboys defending the console's clearly exploitable funding system. I never took the Ouya seriously due to its lackluster PR and underwhelming product architecture. Now its going to be even harder to take the damn thing seriously if people are literally going to defend the Ouya staff for not investigating fraudulent funding.

No. The Ouya isn't exploiting anything.
It is the devs involved in Ouya's campaign that is ruining it for everybody else. It isn't Ouya's job to make sure Kickstarter properly identifies which dev donations are legit, and which are frauds. That job belongs to Kickstarter and Kickstarter alone.
The fact that people are putting all the blame of Kickstarter's loop holes on a console that can't control any of that is petty and childish.

I never said the Ouya was exploiting anything. I was pointing out that there is clearly fraud going on the the Ouya staff are flat out refusing to do anything about it.

Also you must not have read how this fundraising program in question works. The Ouya staff said they'd match whatever donations are put into the Kickstarter of an Ouya game in return for Ouya exclusivity. So now that they know that fraudulent donations are being made, the Ouya staff instead of investigating would just go ahead and match the donation anyways.

Another point, how can you say that its the devs ruining this program for everyone when the devs mentioned in the OP removed their games from Kickstarter and the Ouya due to the Ouya staff's lack of caring about the situation? Either other devs are making large donations for their games to get the Ouya's funding or the Ouya staff is making large donations to the Kickstarters themselves to get some exclusive games for their fledgling console. The Free the Games Fund is open to exploit on both sides yet only the Ouya staff has come out and straight up said that they don't care as long as they get exclusive games.

That throws suspicion more on the Ouya staff than anyone at the moment. Not saying they are exploiting anything, but them not investigating the fraud is an issue that hurts their integrity.

AzrealMaximillion:

Dragonbums:

AzrealMaximillion:
Wow, there are Ouya fanboys defending the console's clearly exploitable funding system. I never took the Ouya seriously due to its lackluster PR and underwhelming product architecture. Now its going to be even harder to take the damn thing seriously if people are literally going to defend the Ouya staff for not investigating fraudulent funding.

No. The Ouya isn't exploiting anything.
It is the devs involved in Ouya's campaign that is ruining it for everybody else. It isn't Ouya's job to make sure Kickstarter properly identifies which dev donations are legit, and which are frauds. That job belongs to Kickstarter and Kickstarter alone.
The fact that people are putting all the blame of Kickstarter's loop holes on a console that can't control any of that is petty and childish.

I never said the Ouya was exploiting anything. I was pointing out that there is clearly fraud going on the the Ouya staff are flat out refusing to do anything about it.

Also you must not have read how this fundraising program in question works. The Ouya staff said they'd match whatever donations are put into the Kickstarter of an Ouya game in return for Ouya exclusivity. So now that they know that fraudulent donations are being made, the Ouya staff instead of investigating would just go ahead and match the donation anyways.

Another point, how can you say that its the devs ruining this program for everyone when the devs mentioned in the OP removed their games from Kickstarter and the Ouya due to the Ouya staff's lack of caring about the situation? Either other devs are making large donations for their games to get the Ouya's funding or the Ouya staff is making large donations to the Kickstarters themselves to get some exclusive games for their fledgling console. The Free the Games Fund is open to exploit on both sides yet only the Ouya staff has come out and straight up said that they don't care as long as they get exclusive games.

That throws suspicion more on the Ouya staff than anyone at the moment. Not saying they are exploiting anything, but them not investigating the fraud is an issue that hurts their integrity.

The Ouya staff have no control, nor can they do anything about this anyway.
This is something Kickstarter has to fix themselves.
Ouya cannot ask for any information regarding their backers. Only Kickstarter has the ability to do that.
Therefore pointing fingers at the console team and accusing them of doing "nothing" is misplaced, because there is literally nothing they can do to either find out about who's fake and who's not, nor do anything about it.

Dragonbums:

The Ouya staff have no control, nor can they do anything about this anyway.
This is something Kickstarter has to fix themselves.
Ouya cannot ask for any information regarding their backers. Only Kickstarter has the ability to do that.
Therefore pointing fingers at the console team and accusing them of doing "nothing" is misplaced, because there is literally nothing they can do to either find out about who's fake and who's not, nor do anything about it.

I disagree.

There's actually not much Kickstarter can do, and has no incentive to. They've done their part by suspending the account of one of the games mentioned, and frankly that's the most they can do. Kickstarter also has no incentive to investigate the abnormal donations because its not a Kickstarter fundraiser. To them, its just a Kickstarter account getting money. The problem lies with the fact that the Ouya fundraiser can be gamed. Why would Kickstarter investigate donations that cheat a third party fundraiser? The incentive to fraudulently donate to a Kickstarter only exists because of the Ouya fundraiser's rules.

On the flipside there's plenty the Ouya could do. They could suspend the fundraiser until they fix the loopholes in their fundraiser's rules. They could choose not to match the donations of games like Gridiron Thunder with suspicious patterns in the backing. When a game gets funded with over $100,000 (the average donation working out to be $934 per person) and only 183 backers. And the info of a game getting abnormal donations like, oh I dunno, $10,000 from a single backer almost every 4 days should be cause for alarm as well.

The Ouya staff could choose not to match the donations for that game or any game due to suspicious behaviour and it would be up to the developers to prove that their donations are clean.

Instead of them retaining the integrity of their fundraiser, they're effectively saying, "meh, we can't prove it so we'll fund the game even though there is suspicious behaviour behind how they got funded."

There are options for the Ouya staff to use on the table, but instead developers who aren't willing to cheat are just taking down their games from the Ouya.

AzrealMaximillion:

Dragonbums:

The Ouya staff have no control, nor can they do anything about this anyway.
This is something Kickstarter has to fix themselves.
Ouya cannot ask for any information regarding their backers. Only Kickstarter has the ability to do that.
Therefore pointing fingers at the console team and accusing them of doing "nothing" is misplaced, because there is literally nothing they can do to either find out about who's fake and who's not, nor do anything about it.

I disagree.

There's actually not much Kickstarter can do, and has no incentive to. They've done their part by suspending the account of one of the games mentioned, and frankly that's the most they can do. Kickstarter also has no incentive to investigate the abnormal donations because its not a Kickstarter fundraiser. To them, its just a Kickstarter account getting money. The problem lies with the fact that the Ouya fundraiser can be gamed. Why would Kickstarter investigate donations that cheat a third party fundraiser? The incentive to fraudulently donate to a Kickstarter only exists because of the Ouya fundraiser's rules.

On the flipside there's plenty the Ouya could do. They could suspend the fundraiser until they fix the loopholes in their fundraiser's rules. They could choose not to match the donations of games like Gridiron Thunder with suspicious patterns in the backing. When a game gets funded with over $100,000 (the average donation working out to be $934 per person) and only 183 backers. And the info of a game getting abnormal donations like, oh I dunno, $10,000 from a single backer almost every 4 days should be cause for alarm as well.

The Ouya staff could choose not to match the donations for that game or any game due to suspicious behaviour and it would be up to the developers to prove that their donations are clean.

Instead of them retaining the integrity of their fundraiser, they're effectively saying, "meh, we can't prove it so we'll fund the game even though there is suspicious behaviour behind how they got funded."

There are options for the Ouya staff to use on the table, but instead developers who aren't willing to cheat are just taking down their games from the Ouya.

Those loopholes were the result of Kickstarter. Ouya freezing the fundraising can have a negative impact on the legitimate devs who were raising honest money, and are depending on this fundraiser to complete their games, and then people will claim that the can't even do a fundraiser right. So it's a lose lose situation anyway.
Also, how do you expect Ouya to keep track of what could possibly be hundreds of games?
Why should they have to do what is arguably Kickstarter's job?
At the end of the day, this isn't a competition. If you make 50K within the time frame Ouya funds you. Them not checking who's legitimate or not (which is still KS job.) will only detract from them overall.

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