Star Trek Game "Emotionally Hurt" J.J. Abrams

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The problem I am seeing with this post is he thinks his "mystery box" is a perfectly fine approach to movie making and looking for other reasons to justify why his movie got negative feedback. I have no problem with people liking the movie, but before he starts pointing fingers maybe he should listen to what people were saying about the movie. After having a discussion with a friend over the weekend I came to the realization that I disliked Star Trek Into Darkness for the same reason why I disliked Man of Steel, both movies are movies where they are trying to show the audience what they want to see, but have a poor story behind it to explain what is going on.

AldUK:
Hey let's all insult JJ Abrams some more because Movie Bob told us he sucks!

That's what's cool on The Escapist right?

Not independent thought, oh no... Can't have that.

Or we're hating because Into Darkness was a fucking terrible film made by a presumptuous hack who doesn't know what he's doing as well as thinking he does. But no, if people agree, it's because they're too lazy to form a different opinion.

Three cheers for contrarian idiots, may we never live without them!

someone should get kross in here and ask him to put up some lensflare in this thread.

Phrozenflame500:
A Star Trek game, made by Valve?

Intriguing...

I was thinking the same thing.

One thing to keep in mind, though: don't make it a shooter. Make it an exploration-focused RPG in both first and third person. And... put some god damned effort into the story (and don't let anyone else dictate it, VALVe). As well as this, put effort into the ship, it's components, how it flies around space, and how it works (as in X delivers energy to Y, wires damaged -> wires need to be repaired, not x% damage to ship hull, Y needs to be repaired).

As for a Portal movie... No, please no. Half-Life movie sounds intriguing too, just not directed by Abrams - though I might even like it, given my incredibly bad taste in movies.

EDIT: Forgot one thing for the VALVe Star Trek game: make the protagonist talk (and give us some options as to his gender, would you?). A mute protagonist will not work in this kind of game.

I'm failing to see how a game based upon a movie impacted movie sales negatively. It was #1 at the Box Office for quite a while, was it not? Was it not hyped up for years? Didn't we all know the "big surprise"?

I bet half of the audience for Into Darkness had no idea there was a game and maybe only 20% had actually played it. Abrams, I think you have how the game industry works a tad backwards.

Also, stay away from Tomb Raider and Uncharted please. I don't want you even thinking about directing those. (Think about it: lens flares in TR? Yeah, no)

Ok J.J. the game hurt you, we get it. It was the cause of all the bad things surrounding your little butt of a movie. You were in no way at fault. Glad that's settled.

Now get back to work adding lens flares and Ewok Jedi to the new Star Wars Films. Make it so. DOH! I mean, Punch it Chewie!

He is obviously not familiar with video games. Everyone knows movie-games are awful. Except goldeneye... but that was just a fluke.

But... I don't want them to ruin the delicious mystery of the Portal games. Unless Abrams just plans to not open the box that is, or have the mystery be really shitty, predictable and boring... Well the first Star Trek movie was reasonably entertaining I guess, I had fun watching it. I'm not a fan of the series at all, and I haven't seen the second one because the first one didn't interest me enough that I wanted to spend money on a sequel.

Don't blame a shitty game with poor sales for whatever failings you feel your movie had though...

Abrams went to Valve? Wow... he at least gets it.

Mycroft Holmes:
He is obviously not familiar with video games. Everyone knows movie-games are awful. Except goldeneye... but that was just a fluke.

Depends on the source material and scope of the game. If it's just meant to mirror the movie then it is usually pretty bad as a game. But if it's just using the universe and the characters (optional) then it can be quite good depending on the quality of said universe.

J.J Abrams has emotions? Here i thought he was entirely made of mystery boxes and lens-flare.

Anything that's based on something else needs to be able to stand on its own merits

Lol, coming from the guy that basically took characters, settings and in fact an entire scene from the second Star Trek movie and then inserted them to zero effect in to HIS second Star Trek movie.

You know, there's actually never even been a good Star Trek game. You'd think that with like... 40+ years to do it, at least one good one would have come out.

Elite Force was not good. :P

I actually think a Star Trek game developed by Subset Games (well, a Subset Games dev team comprised of more than two blokes) would be more ideal over Valve.

Abrams, I hate to break it to you but I fairly certain that your film's failure at the Box Office had nothing to do with the tie in video game.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who saw the film weren't even aware there was a game. Star Wars has had plenty of shitty games, never hurt any of their returns at the Box Office.

I'm also pretty sure the reason this film didn't do as well as the '09 reboot is because a) the trailers made it look generic as all hell (yet another film combining hamfisted 9/11 allegories and an emphasis on orange-and-teal), and b) once word got out that this film was just a rehash of Wrath Of Khan, it rubbed fans up the wrong way.

Hopefully this means Abrams' star is waning. He's by far the most overrated director working in Hollywood, and has yet to get one single, honest-to-god great film out. Neil Blokompf has District 9. Duncan Jones has Moon. What has Abrams got to his name? Nothing but a bunch of stupid mystery boxes.

Karloff:
Star Trek Game "Emotionally Hurt" J.J. Abrams

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It might even have hurt the movie, Abrams says.

"The last game, which was obviously a big disappointment to me," says J.J. Abrams in a GamerHub interview about Star Trek: Into Darkness, "I feel, for me, emotionally it hurt." It got bludgeoned by the critics and, Abrams feels, "arguably hurt" the movie's chances at the box office. Whether or not you follow Abrams down that rabbit hole is up to you - the movie had plenty of problems that had nothing to do with the game tie-in - but the video game did the series no favors, and Abrams didn't appreciate being tagged with its awfulness just as all the work on the movie was about to pay off.

That doesn't mean Abrams has given up on games, as part of the Star Trek franchise. He accepts that games based on movies don't often work, but thinks that there is a solution. He's in talks with Valve, in hope that - in spite of the awfulness of the Star Trek game - there's a way past that disaster, to something better. "Starting from scratch," says Abrams, "let's make this, from the ground up, great, regardless of what's come before." Anything that's based on something else needs to be able to stand on its own merits, Abrams feels, and maybe Valve is the company best suited to achieve that. As to what that collaboration may result in, Abrams isn't about to say, beyond dropping brief Portal and Half Life movie hints.

Abrams feels there's a lot of potential cross-over between movies and games. Tomb Raider, Uncharted and similar action titles blow him away, with their cinematic vision. "You watch the beginning of Uncharted 3," he says, "you're watching it, as amazed as you would be in any movie, and then you're like 'oh! I'm in this thing!'" He'd love to see more of that cross-influence take hold, but without the whole "ancillary product" marketing ploy thing that ruined Star Trek.

Source: GamerHub Video

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Well then JJ, we're even because your misguided Star Trek reboots hurt me emotionally.

Phrozenflame500:
A Star Trek game, made by Valve?

Intriguing...

I read it like this, too.

How bad was the game if it was worse than his movies? Never saw the second movie, nor played the games, so I really don't know... Is it really worse than the movies?!

Gordon_4:

Well then JJ, we're even because your misguided Star Trek reboots hurt me emotionally.

I bet heaps of fans of the actual Star Trek series feel similar.

I think JJ should get out of the entertainment industry if he can't handle the fact that crappy licensed games exist to milk out a franchise much to the detriment of fans and the IP... Wait.

How DARE J.J. Abrams express disappointment that a tie-in to something he worked very hard on for several years was low in quality? After all, since a minority of people consider his movie to be unsatisfactory, he is a soulless clone of Hitler and his hopes and dreams deserve to burn.

It would be like the creators of [game franchise] or [anything by Alan Moore] complaining that [terrible movie adaptation made without their permission] was sub-par. Not like anybody would do that.

Ldude893:

Mr.Pandah:
I liked the movie. A lot. Sucks to be me I guess.

Same opinion here. I understand the complaints about the new Star Trek films being unfaithful from the source material, but as a non-Star Trek fan I thought they were incredibly fun to watch. I actually think that he would make a great fit with Star Wars, considering his approach in the films (except the alleged unfaithfulness to canon.

I thought the second film had a lot of potential. I liked concept of the villian's story arc, and I liked the movie until the villian showed up. The concept Spock and Uhura's relationship sounded like it would have made for a great subplot.

Spock was far too emotional in this film. Vulcan emotions are supposed to be so subtle that they appear to have no emotions. A single tear from Nimoy's Spock is much more powerful than Quinto's entire crying scene.

I think that was my biggest complaint about this second film, it lacks subtlety.

I quite liked both the Star Trek movies Abrams made - apart from the rather casual misogyny here and there.

But please, Mr Abrams, stay away from Portal and Half-Life. Please. Pretty Please.

It's not just you, I don't want ANYONE making a Portal or Half-Life film. Just please stay away from them and find someone to make a decent Star Trek game (maybe not Valve, but maybe a developer who'll focus slightly less on action).

fix-the-spade:
If JJ Abrams makes a Valve movie, any Valve movie, I will personally drive to Washington (through the Atlantic because bollocks to physics), find Gabe Newell and Mike Harrington, strap them to a forklift and feed them into the burners of a power station, I will make them both into Steam!

In the mean time, Neil Blomkamp, David Fincher, hell, even John Favreau are names I'd like to see attached to a Valve base movie, anyone but J Mystery box J is always empty Abrams.

Those three directors are theoretically JUST as risky, in terms of the most recent works. Elysium and Iron Man 2 were just humorous in that "Bad movie" kind of way.

David Fincher would be interesting on the other hand......

Mcoffey:
Why was it a disappointment? The game was the same quality as the movie.

Gaben please don't let this asshole anywhere near Portal or Half Life...

Dunno man. As a director he is the most qualified. Loves explosions, guns, and duritos just as much as Gordon Freeman.
He could have all the Alt fire modes for the weapons have explosions, do the 7 hr war justice, and even time the movie with Half life 3 game as a xbox one exclusive.

AldUK:
Hey let's all insult JJ Abrams some more because Movie Bob told us he sucks!

That's what's cool on The Escapist right?

Not independent thought, oh no... Can't have that.

No, that's not quite how it works. The first Star Trek rendition of his was a pretty low blow in my books, dumbed down beyond redemption already and over-the-top action scenes that turned the Star Trek franchise into some Bruckheimer one-size-fits all crash! BOOM! BANG! romp.

I for my part refused to give up on things and went to see Into Darkness, and it's just the lamest piece of trite shite anyone could dare to do with the material. Complete waste of Star Trek, complete waste of Cumberbatch, complete waste of any and all resources. It's the word of mouth from people that have seen the movie that kept other people from paying for that crap, and I can assure you that J. J. Abrams is or will become toxic if he doesn't slow down and think things over.

I don't agree with everything Mobiebob says, but his judgement on Into Darkness was pure Jesus Gandhi compared to how I feel about it.

I don't judge movies based on the quality of their licensed games, as those being any good is purely accidental these days.

I'm in this weird purgatory of Star Trek fans I swear. I love TOS, TNG and DS9. Watched them all the way through. Hell I watched the last episode of TNG, DS9 and Voyager as it broadcast.

And I really like the Abrams films as well. For different reasons, of course. But in my opinion ST: Insurrection and ST: Nemesis were much worse than Star Trek: the Star Trek and Star Trek: Into Darkness.

I Redboxed the Star Trek game, and yeah it sucked. Not only in the mechanics but in the treatment of the Gorn. Making them an extra-dimensional threat rather than an unknown race bugged me. Though that be more my ST:O playing, talking.

well the movie is popular and highly rated almost universally, so i dont see those poor sales hes talking about. Also did he really just pull out the "how dare you criticize my art" argument? wasnt that reserved for pretentiuos douches?

Headdrivehardscrew:

AldUK:
Hey let's all insult JJ Abrams some more because Movie Bob told us he sucks!

That's what's cool on The Escapist right?

Not independent thought, oh no... Can't have that.

No, that's not quite how it works. The first Star Trek rendition of his was a pretty low blow in my books, dumbed down beyond redemption already and over-the-top action scenes that turned the Star Trek franchise into some Bruckheimer one-size-fits all crash! BOOM! BANG! romp.

I for my part refused to give up on things and went to see Into Darkness, and it's just the lamest piece of trite shite anyone could dare to do with the material. Complete waste of Star Trek, complete waste of Cumberbatch, complete waste of any and all resources. It's the word of mouth from people that have seen the movie that kept other people from paying for that crap, and I can assure you that J. J. Abrams is or will become toxic if he doesn't slow down and think things over.

I don't agree with everything Mobiebob says, but his judgement on Into Darkness was pure Jesus Gandhi compared to how I feel about it.

I don't judge movies based on the quality of their licensed games, as those being any good is purely accidental these days.

I've never seen someone use so many words to badmouth a movie without actually mentioning what they disliked about it. It seems like you're just confirming AldUK's point that people criticizing the movie are just doing so blindly without putting any actual thought into it.

OlasDAlmighty:

I've never seen someone use so many words to badmouth a movie without actually mentioning what they disliked about it. It seems like you're just confirming headdrivehardscrew's point that people criticizing the movie are just doing so blindly without putting any actual thought into it.

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HAH! You just pulled an Abrams! A pompous little black box of surreal ͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͜͜e͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢nothingness, opening a gate to another dimension!

Is this time travel? Is this life after death? Is this contrived bullshit? Is this the real life? Is this just ͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͜͜e͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢fantasy?͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͜͜͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢ Am I waking? Am I dreaming? If I fall asleep ̴̴̙̺͖͇̮͖͖̥̝ͫ͒͋̅́ͅ in this world, am I waking in ̹̙̺͖͇̮͖̖̥̝ͫ͒͋̅́ͅ another?

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Jadak:

Phrozenflame500:
A Star Trek game, made by Valve?

Intriguing...

Something to look forward to in 2023?

This. Valve are great game developers, and I give them many kudos, but they're the LAST people you want to go to for a game tie-in. They work on their own schedule, and typically only on games they feel are close to their hearts (or zombie games, because easy cash-ins). Throw them a time-critical generic shooter/generic action game based on a set of kinda mediocre actors and a kinda mediocre plotline and... you aren't exactly going to get gold.

And it's definitely not going to happen on time.

STENDEC1:

1. Start with the Mass Effect 3 engine as a base.

2. Build a game set in the Star Trek universe using the mechanics and storytelling style of ME3 (sans the shite ending).

3. ????

4. Profit!

How about just use the original Mass Effect, the best of the series. You know, the game that pretty much WAS a Star Trek game with a different paint job?

Dr.Awkward:
If JJ wants a good Star Trek game, he needs to know what kind of genres work with it.

For one, let's not use the shooter/FPS genre, shall we? Star Trek tends to focus on logic, and this genre tends to be anything but, and it's rather been done to death with all the games out there. In fact, Star Trek was rarely ever focused on action, and as a result JJ's films are trying to pander to an audience that, for the most part, doesn't care about the series. After all, "boring" moments are meant to calm down the audience because you can reach a point where there is simply too much action to take in. (And before everyone else mentions it, Voyager Elite Force was a fluke.)

I think JJ should really look towards a Telltale-made adventure game for Star Trek, and not towards a Valve shooter (or whatever). That's the sort of thing that fits the series.

Tell that to elite force 1 and 2 made with the quake engine. They were great games not mindless FPSs like you get these days.

You can have a smart FPS the trouble is anything over a simple action game is to difficult for them to make regardless of it being a FPS or not.

Headdrivehardscrew:

OlasDAlmighty:

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HAH! You just pulled an Abrams! A pompous little black box of surreal ͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͜͜e͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢nothingness, opening a gate to another dimension!

Is this time travel? Is this life after death? Is this contrived bullshit? Is this the real life? Is this just ͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͜͜e͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢fantasy?͎̙̮͔̺͈̰͈͆͑̏̊͛͑̓̾ͩͮ̽ͮ͐̿͆͂͊ͥͪ͜͜͏̶̩͓̥̞̟ͅs̓̃̾͛̏̈́͗҉̬̥̙̖̠͓̜͢ Am I waking? Am I dreaming? If I fall asleep ̴̴̙̺͖͇̮͖͖̥̝ͫ͒͋̅́ͅ in this world, am I waking in ̹̙̺͖͇̮͖̖̥̝ͫ͒͋̅́ͅ another?

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Star Wars has already been ruined for 3 decades, I don't think there's anything more Abrams can do to it.

Same was pretty much true for Trek before he picked it up, and the same is pretty much true for Half Life now. At least you can't accuse him of destroying something in it's prime.

franticfarken:

Those three directors are theoretically JUST as risky, in terms of the most recent works. Elysium and Iron Man 2 were just humorous in that "Bad movie" kind of way.

David Fincher would be interesting on the other hand......

But at least it's risky and not a foregone conclusion, if Abrams makes it you've seen the film before it's come out and there was nothing interesting anyway, just a lot of lens flare and a couple BWWOOOOOMMM noises.

While I'm at it, Brett Ratner, Guillermo Del Toro, bollocks to it, I would take Michael Bay over JJ Abrams, at the very least Bay isn't afraid to make characters die and the action would be suitably chaotic.

For the record I quite like Iron Man 2, I honestly missed whatever it is that irritates everyone so much about it.

JJ Abrams is full of wank.
He takes IPs, remakes them into mediocre movies at best and then smug smiles to the camera while people throw money at him then he turns around and bad mouths a game (a GAME, not a movie a GAME) and acts like this watered down piece of shit is any worse than his watered down fan pandering sack of shit. Fuck JJ Abrams, he's a terrible director. He is the Michael Bay of Sci-fi but at least Michael Bay can make something half decent every once in a while.

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