Notch: SteamOS is "Saving the Entire Gaming World"

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Notch: SteamOS is "Saving the Entire Gaming World"

Famed Minecraft creator gives a big thumbs up to Valve's first announcement of the week.

Developers are already weighing in on the blockbuster news of Valve launching its own operating system. At the forefront is none other than Mojang's Markus "Notch" Persson. The Minecraft creator tweeted his support for the project earlier today, while also sneaking in a barb about the long-delayed Half-Life 2: Episode 3. "Valve is saving the entire gaming world, but I all I can do is mumble passive aggressively about crowbars," Notch posted.

The announcement of SteamOS especially pleased him given his earlier criticisms of Windows 8 as an operating system for indie developers.
"Win8's been worrying me. <3 valve," he added.

Notch wasn't alone in his critique of Microsoft's latest platform, as Valve's own Gabe Newell stated last year that "Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space."

SteamOS is the first of three big announcements Valve has planned for the coming days, with the next set to drop on Wednesday. According to Valve's website, SteamOS will be a free download that features Linux architecture to serve as a "stand-alone operating system for living room machines."

Source: GameSpot via GamePolitics.com

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Come on, it was an initial marketing announcement. We don't really have any concrete details on how anything works yet. It's not even the only announcement this week.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds amazing, but until we know more we should reserve judgement.

I feel there's something slightly amusing about Notch praising SteamOS and how much he loves Valve despite Minecraft STILL not being available on Steam =P

Still, he has a point. Should be interesting to see how much the "Steambox" differs from a standard PC

Can't wait for this. Hopefully the entire steam catalog will be available when it comes out.

Here's a question, and I mean it as a legitimate one:

Do you think Valve will allow Origin on this OS, or do you think EA might try and make their own?

Why does it feel like everything Notch says becomes a news post on this site?

Great, he's a guy, and he has opinions, But we didn't need his input. What I'd like is more details on the actual OS.

Zer0Saber:
Can't wait for this. Hopefully the entire steam catalog will be available when it comes out.

It will be, insofar as your current desktop can stream games to the box.

Beyond that, you'll most likely have to deal with whatever's on Steam that is Linux compatible and whatever Wine supports. It's unlikely that anything else will be available.

Also, I like how it seems like just about everyone has missed the key point of the SteamOS announcement. It's an OS designed for consoles, not for desktop PCs. It is very much unlikely that it will serve as a full replacement for Windows at all.

I hope it does, but from what little they've said so far, I don't think it terribly likely.

Um...

Notch needs to pull his head out of his butt.

Why does Windows 8 worry him? Because people have this weird, bizarre, fictitious scenario in their heads where they lock down everything to the Windows store and take 30% of all sales from every software purchase in the Operating System, thus committing company-wide suicide in the process very likely.

Why is Valve "Saving the Entire Gaming World"? Because they made an operating system that... locks down everything to the Steam Store... that takes 30% of all sales from every software purchase in the Operating System.

Stupid. Double Standard. Microsoft's scenario isn't even -real-, and he's concerned about it. Valve's OS is committing the very act that he is/was concerned about, and he doesn't care, and in fact loves it in the same sentence that he is condemning Microsoft.

Can we please stop paying attention to this idiot now?

So, based on just one announcement Notch has already determined SteamOS to be the gaming equivalent of the messiah. Guess he knows more than basically everybody including the people at Valve themselves.

Either that or he believes Gabe Newell has appeared before him in the guise of a steaming cup of ultra-strenght coffee and tasked him with leading the PC Gaming Master Race to the Promised Land[1]

Also, he confuses PC gaming and entire gaming world.

[1] That was sarcasm fyi

Why do I feel that both Notch, and Newell are doing and saying this because they dislike Microsoft? I get it because's of Windows 8, but it feels like theirs more to it then that.

Notch, you don't get to speak highly of Valve until you're willing to get Minecraft on Steam.

P.S. Thanks

Nocturnus:
Stupid. Double Standard. Microsoft's scenario isn't even -real-, and he's concerned about it. Valve's OS is committing the very act that he is/was concerned about, and he doesn't care, and in fact loves it in the same sentence that he is condemning Microsoft.

Can we please stop paying attention to this idiot now?

The biggest difference would be that even if the steam OS did everything that windows 8 has done that we hate, if I install it to my PC I can opt out of it and simply install a new operating system. It was free and it had no strings attached. If I want to buy a computer, unless I build it myself or are very fortunate in buying one already made, it's probably going to have windows 8 and I don't have the option to switch operating systems at all (unless I buy a more expansive version of windows 8 I think. Don't quote me on that.). No matter what Steam does, it's my choice whether I use it or not. I don't have that level of choice if I use windows 8.

Covarr:
Notch, you don't get to speak highly of Valve until you're willing to get Minecraft on Steam.

P.S. Thanks

I don't understand how putting it on Steam benefits anyone. It is practically impossible for anyone gaming on PC not to have heard of it, and if they want it they own it. I can already let my friends know I'm playing Minecraft by adding it to my steam list as a non-steam game. And most of the sales that game will ever get are probably already made with the exception of the newest console ports.

What reason does Notch or even Valve have to want the game on Steam?

Nocturnus:
Um...

Notch needs to pull his head out of his butt.

Why does Windows 8 worry him? Because people have this weird, bizarre, fictitious scenario in their heads where they lock down everything to the Windows store and take 30% of all sales from every software purchase in the Operating System, thus committing company-wide suicide in the process very likely.

Why is Valve "Saving the Entire Gaming World"? Because they made an operating system that... locks down everything to the Steam Store... that takes 30% of all sales from every software purchase in the Operating System.

Stupid. Double Standard. Microsoft's scenario isn't even -real-, and he's concerned about it. Valve's OS is committing the very act that he is/was concerned about, and he doesn't care, and in fact loves it in the same sentence that he is condemning Microsoft.

Can we please stop paying attention to this idiot now?

I... don't really see what you are basing this on. The one page of information we have doesn't say anything about "locking things down". In fact, if anything, it says the opposite. It talks about openness and allowing creators to directly interact with users.

Granted, I think Notch might be a little premature to be declaring SteamOS the new messiah, but I think he's supporting the slightly more versatile ecosystem that Valve want to create. The fear is that Win8 won't allow you to run unverified programs you download yourself, and that essentially everything will have to be okayed by them.

Ultimately, it's hard to say at such an early stage. Maybe SteamOS will be similar in function to Win8, but based on Gabe's comments on Microsoft's OS, that seems very unlikely.

Well, that's a bit hyperbolic considering how little we know, isn't it?

Josh12345:
Here's a question, and I mean it as a legitimate one:

Do you think Valve will allow Origin on this OS, or do you think EA might try and make their own?

As far as I know, EA employs exactly zero hackers.

As some Istari once put it: "I'd like to see them try."

Less than 24 hours for the absurd hyperbole to start. Glad to see things like this don't operate on Valve time.

LavaLampBamboo:
I feel there's something slightly amusing about Notch praising SteamOS and how much he loves Valve despite Minecraft STILL not being available on Steam =P

Well I was on my way here to say pretty much this. So kudos other forum person.

Personally, I'd be hard pressed to find a reason I would need to add another OS to my machine other than Windows. But hey, I never thought we'd still be using Windows in 2013 when I got my first PC in 1994, so what do I know. :D

Also, STeAMOS makes me think of this:

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GeneralFungi:
What reason does Notch or even Valve have to want the game on Steam?

Valve? Er, having it on Steam would make them money.

I figure that was pretty self explanatory.

But, as you mentioned, there's no reason for Minecraft to give them that cut of their pie. There would be next to no benefit for them and it would benefit only Steam.

So, it's okay for him to sing Valve's praises even though his flagship isn't even on that system.

What we are forgetting is that it's the cool thing to attack Windows 8 and Microsoft at the moment, for most of us it comes down to not much more than the odd hate filled post about how much a certain feature sucks but when you're a billionaire and in charge of the largest game delivery client well a forum post isn't quite cutting it, no you have to base an entire set of business decisions that could not only effect your company but potentially your millions of loyal customers. Not to worry folk a year or so and the next version of Windows will be out and it will be great and no longer cool to attack Microsoft and Windows and all THIS, this non sense will just seem to dis appear.

Josh12345:
Here's a question, and I mean it as a legitimate one:

Do you think Valve will allow Origin on this OS, or do you think EA might try and make their own?

Until Origin has a linux client I don't think it will work on SteamOS ever, unless when we get more details about the streaming it streams the entire computer instead of just the steam game you're trying to play. Having it run natively however is up to EA

Phrozenflame500:
Come on, it was an initial marketing announcement. We don't really have any concrete details on how anything works yet. It's not even the only announcement this week.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds amazing, but until we know more we should reserve judgement.

It was something Gabe Newell did. It's also a comment from a guy who hates Windows 8 worse than AIDS, Stalin, and John Denver.

So what, really, is to be expected?

If Valve wants to make an OS I can run all my Windows PC games on, that's cool. If Valve wants to make an OS I can play my Steam catalog on, I have one.

GeneralFungi:

Nocturnus:
Stupid. Double Standard. Microsoft's scenario isn't even -real-, and he's concerned about it. Valve's OS is committing the very act that he is/was concerned about, and he doesn't care, and in fact loves it in the same sentence that he is condemning Microsoft.

Can we please stop paying attention to this idiot now?

The biggest difference would be that even if the steam OS did everything that windows 8 has done that we hate, if I install it to my PC I can opt out of it and simply install a new operating system. It was free and it had no strings attached. If I want to buy a computer, unless I build it myself or are very fortunate in buying one already made, it's probably going to have windows 8 and I don't have the option to switch operating systems at all (unless I buy a more expansive version of windows 8 I think. Don't quote me on that.). No matter what Steam does, it's my choice whether I use it or not. I don't have that level of choice if I use windows 8.

Since SteamOS is free can't you just replace Windows 8 with it?

Josh12345:
Here's a question, and I mean it as a legitimate one:

Do you think Valve will allow Origin on this OS, or do you think EA might try and make their own?

Good question. I don't think Valve would get away with blocking the competition when they said it was going to be an open platform, that said I think EA would attempt their own version so they can bugger it up and be unpopular. Valve probably wouldn't stop Origin being available, they just wouldn't help.

I say stuff about things all the time. Where's my front page article? Are you telling me all I need to do is make one good game and then it's front page for life?

WeepingAngels:

GeneralFungi:

Nocturnus:
Stupid. Double Standard. Microsoft's scenario isn't even -real-, and he's concerned about it. Valve's OS is committing the very act that he is/was concerned about, and he doesn't care, and in fact loves it in the same sentence that he is condemning Microsoft.

Can we please stop paying attention to this idiot now?

The biggest difference would be that even if the steam OS did everything that windows 8 has done that we hate, if I install it to my PC I can opt out of it and simply install a new operating system. It was free and it had no strings attached. If I want to buy a computer, unless I build it myself or are very fortunate in buying one already made, it's probably going to have windows 8 and I don't have the option to switch operating systems at all (unless I buy a more expansive version of windows 8 I think. Don't quote me on that.). No matter what Steam does, it's my choice whether I use it or not. I don't have that level of choice if I use windows 8.

Since SteamOS is free can't you just replace Windows 8 with it?

Technically yes but the process you'd need to go through involves tampering with the system in some unintended ways. It's difficult and grueling. Microsoft threw up as many obstacles as they could in order to make it as difficult as possible to downgrade unless you have the Pro version of windows 8 which is obviously more expensive. It involves tampering with the operating system in ways that microsoft didn't intend. They mostly hope that it will either be too expensive or be such a pain in the ass that people will decide not to go through the trouble and just stick with windows 8.

All of this seems too asinine. I want to sit down and think about this, as well as some of the replies.

First, this irks me. Why do we want Minecraft on Steam? Why would Mojang ever put minecraft on Steam? The only thing that could possibly benefit Minecraft from Steam is the steamworks API with community. The right click a friend to join their server. This won't work the way you're thinking either, because Minecraft needs to be coded to have their local servers available to the internet. I don't see plans for this.

Furthermore, Minecraft has no benefit from Steam other than publicity. I'm pretty sure that everybody and their dog (and cat) has heard of Minecraft so this is a non-issue. Steam is another layer of DRM, that's almost as easily bypassed as Mojang's solution. So, really, this is just adding another layer of headache, for next to no benefit to the developer, and no benefit to the user.

Secondly, why does he care about VALVe? No, wait... I see it now. This has to be sarcasm. His actions make no sense, releasing a modified version of creative for the 360, working closely with Microsoft, and doing nothing to work with VALVe. Sure, he's got a hat in TF2, but from a business standpoint, I just don't get it. He's made no push to VALVe, and VALVe has not extended their hand to him. What's the purpose? I'll admit, I'm a fanboy too, but I wouldn't say they're the grace of gaming, even if my project weaseled it's way into Steam. (Though, I probably would if I was given a team and permitted to keep my IP's.)

Third up... Windows. Yes, the whipping boy. It's coy little app-store. All it does is gather dust. Every Win8 user I've spoken to doesn't use apps. The API is unused, and Win8 has done nothing to harm compatibility. Infact, I'm having an easier time with my 16bit legacy shit than I did on 7. So there's that. Gabe predicted Win8 would be a problem. I sat down, used it for 8 seconds, and predicted that Win8 can only improve how we use the modern computer. I'm right, he's wrong. Get over it. Win8 finds a way to make things easier to get to important locations "under the hood" so that the standard user can troubleshoot, and not fuck shit up. But we can't have that, because that would demean people who actually know what they're doing.

Well, no worries there. We've got people like Gabe Newell who looked at the Start Screen and immediately decry it because things look different. Meanwhile, I looked at the Start screen, Task Manager, better permissions controls and the Tools Menu. It's astonishing that, because I actually work with these newfangled things called "computers" I seem to have a more clear head than top games industry names. Why do we have these people ripping into an OS? What reasoning did they give? I missed it when they talked about the MS apps store. I didn't hear a quip about the permissions and Policy Changes within the system. These are the real problems that developers might have actually had to face, but no. We can't discuss those.

And that brings me to SteamOS. This is going to be lovely. Everybody wants a console it seems. I don't understand why we're all jumping on this bandwagon. A console is a lucrative amount of money to be dumped in there. Nintendo is established. Sony is established. Sega was established, but thought too far ahead and died as a result. Microsoft picked up the pieces and rolled with it. The current lineup, including things in development? Let's look over this upcoming generation...

We've got the WiiU, which I haven't been watching, so I don't know how it's fairing.
We've got the PS4, which is grabbing a mountain of popularity.
We've got the XB1, which people will buy in droves because they're fucking vain.
And We're also looking at the Ouya, which is absolutely doomed to fail, and never had a chance.
And We're looking toward the Nvidia Piston. God fucking help them because most of the world's forgotten that one already.
Aaand now we're looking at this Steam Box's OS, which has VALVE's popularity behind it.

People hardly want the three consoles. I remember looking toward the media center in my living room years ago at the Wii, 360, and Ps3 and instantly feeling that heavy regret. My brother was the same way. My friends are the same way... Do we really want four? Five? Six of the fucking things? My circles are out of this generation for the most part because we realized this shit's collecting dust, except for the PS3, which was the easiest to use netflix with.

The Ouya is an omen. I'm not saying Valve is doomed to fail, but it's surely going to hurt the company, and I highly doubt that a strong PC gamer base is going to go for it. I also doubt that current console players are going to jump away from their PS4 to go for the damn thing too. As a strong PC user, why would I stream to my living room, when I can just buy a HDMI cable, and run it through the wall? (Or in my case, 8 feet, but not everybody lives in a single bed with the computer next to the 14 inch CRT that only accepts two composite's and a coax.) Why not move the computer to the living room, and keep a separate laptop for work? Many people's households have already defeated the purpose of the Console.

However, I could be overestimating my fellow man. I do that quite often. I've had people tell me that the Mac is just better for artistic work just because.

GeneralFungi:

WeepingAngels:

GeneralFungi:

The biggest difference would be that even if the steam OS did everything that windows 8 has done that we hate, if I install it to my PC I can opt out of it and simply install a new operating system. It was free and it had no strings attached. If I want to buy a computer, unless I build it myself or are very fortunate in buying one already made, it's probably going to have windows 8 and I don't have the option to switch operating systems at all (unless I buy a more expansive version of windows 8 I think. Don't quote me on that.). No matter what Steam does, it's my choice whether I use it or not. I don't have that level of choice if I use windows 8.

Since SteamOS is free can't you just replace Windows 8 with it?

Technically yes but the process you'd need to go through involves tampering with the system in some unintended ways. It's difficult and grueling. Microsoft threw up as many obstacles as they could in order to make it as difficult as possible to downgrade unless you have the Pro version of windows 8 which is obviously more expensive. It involves tampering with the operating system in ways that microsoft didn't intend. They mostly hope that it will either be too expensive or be such a pain in the ass that people will decide not to go through the trouble and just stick with windows 8.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+format+your+computer

What was this about being difficult to downgrade your OS?

EDIT: Really, could you please just make up more shit about how Microsoft wants you on 8 so badly? If you've got a license for another OS, Windows, and MS, is completely incapable of stopping you.

GeneralFungi:

WeepingAngels:

GeneralFungi:

The biggest difference would be that even if the steam OS did everything that windows 8 has done that we hate, if I install it to my PC I can opt out of it and simply install a new operating system. It was free and it had no strings attached. If I want to buy a computer, unless I build it myself or are very fortunate in buying one already made, it's probably going to have windows 8 and I don't have the option to switch operating systems at all (unless I buy a more expansive version of windows 8 I think. Don't quote me on that.). No matter what Steam does, it's my choice whether I use it or not. I don't have that level of choice if I use windows 8.

Since SteamOS is free can't you just replace Windows 8 with it?

Technically yes but the process you'd need to go through involves tampering with the system in some unintended ways. It's difficult and grueling. Microsoft threw up as many obstacles as they could in order to make it as difficult as possible to downgrade unless you have the Pro version of windows 8 which is obviously more expensive. It involves tampering with the operating system in ways that microsoft didn't intend. They mostly hope that it will either be too expensive or be such a pain in the ass that people will decide not to go through the trouble and just stick with windows 8.

Couldn't you just reformat and install the OS you want?

Oh ok, I see, we are all supposed to pretend Windows 7 doesn't exist and that the majority of the pc community who uses MS doesn't use Win 8, but rather , windows 7 without a book's worth of complains?

I have windows 7 and a steam account with more than 120 games (linked to my profile here) and as much as I love Valve,I can't think of any reason to switch. Why exactly do I want to play my huge catalog on my tv on a lower resolution than my monitor?
It says right there on the website : you NEED a computer with windows or osx to run this OS on a "machine" that is apparently not my pc...so I'm supposed to buy a box to play games I can already play as is? Why is the steambox important at all if it is dependent on a rig? HALP?

Nocturnus:
Um...

Notch needs to pull his head out of his butt.

Why does Windows 8 worry him? Because people have this weird, bizarre, fictitious scenario in their heads where they lock down everything to the Windows store and take 30% of all sales from every software purchase in the Operating System, thus committing company-wide suicide in the process very likely.

Looks at Xbone fiasco. No I can't imagine a scenario where a large tech corporation would do something that stupid...

Why would anyone care what One-Trick Charlie thinks?

Look! Valve announces an OS and gamers rejoice, except that they apparently don't know the difference between an announcement and actual FACTS. It seems this is a proprietary system that is designed to run with a Steam approved box, and streams games from your PC. So... you're going to have to have a PC anyway that probably runs Windows so you can play the massive catalog of games NOT available on Linux. In otherwords, in VALVE terms its not really an O/S but a co-O/S, so its not a savior, just a tool of convenience.
Something for people like my wife who has trouble playing games on PC because her disability makes it difficult to sit at a PC for a long time.
Notch dude, you make a good game but you seem to talk out of your ass sometimes. If you hate Microsoft/Windows so much why did you make a game that runs on it? Or port it to Xbox360?

Josh12345:
Here's a question, and I mean it as a legitimate one:

Do you think Valve will allow Origin on this OS, or do you think EA might try and make their own?

If I'm not mistakes Valve doesn't own this OS, they just made it and named it. It's still free and open source, you can put whatever you want on it.

The reason they made it was because they wanted their SteamBox to no use Windows, and the path they choose to that was making a gaming Linux distro that's complete and really works, and strips everything else that's not needed to focus on gaming, because it didn't exist yet. Of course they would do the marketing move of calling it SteamOS. By making it on Linux, any games made for Linux can be played on their box, regardless being on Steam or not, makes for another reason for people to buy their hardware. Non-steam games might not be more software for their store, but still are more games for their console.

Most likely we'll be seeing Origin, Desura, and maybe an Amazon store being announced soon, to run on Linux and more specifically, on the SteamOS.

Bit of an exaggeration...but i think it will definitely shake up couch gaming. Il be interested to see where it goes

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