Fox's Gotham Will Have More Police, Less Batman

Fox's Gotham Will Have More Police, Less Batman

Rome writer Bruno Heller will work on Fox's Gotham, a pre-Batman show dealing with Commissioner Gordon's early career.

Batman fans might find themselves tuning into Fox sometime in the near future. While the Dark Knight himself won't be making any Fox-related appearances, the network will still be getting a slice of DC in the form of Gotham. Focused on the early career of future police-Commissioner James Gordon, the show will be based around his and the Gotham Police Department's efforts to put down the city's crime and deal with "the villains that made Gotham famous."

Though there have currently been no announcements concerning potential casting, it's been confirmed that Bruno Heller, whose TV work includes Rome and The Mentalist, will be working on the series. Apparently confident in the series' success (it is Batman related after all), Fox has decided to skip filming a pilot and instead has put a straight-to-series order in place. Viewers can probably expect Gotham to start airing during the 2014-2014 TV season.

Personally, this news excites me, especially since it reminds me of the comic Gotham Central which largely sidelined Batman and instead focused on the police officers routinely getting chewed up and spit out by Gotham's infamous rogues gallery. That being the case, Gotham being on Fox could lead to some potential complications. Most notably, potential crossovers with other DC-based TV series, The CW's Arrow for instance, probably won't be happening with Gotham on Fox. Granted, that's not necessarily a tragedy (I've always liked Batman content to be self-contained), but there are probably some who would like to see DC television properties weaving together a la the Marvel Films and ABC's recently launched Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. That issue aside, it will be interesting to see how Gotham pans out.

Source: IGN

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Here's to hoping the Gotham Central influences will be plentiful.

I bet that this is DC trying to, again, trying to repeat the success of the Marvel film universe, in this case "Agents of Shields" (missed the pilot last night >_< ). Now, the question will be if it is at all connected to the Superman/Batman crossover.

I hope this doesn't end up too dark and gritty, like Batman: Year One. I know that one was positively received, but I felt like the whole thing was just gloom and way too dry. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if this was just a standard, run of the mill police procedural set in Gotham. Throw in a stock Batman villain every now and then, go over the top with corruption among nearly the entire department, and you've really got it.

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So, what exactly are we going to see?

The origin stories of famous criminals? That'd be kinda cool.

Law & Order: Gotham City? Not so much.

I could live with it when it spends a good part of its time showing how Bruce grew up with all the crime in his city. But just showing the Gotham police doing its job sounds...

Let's just say there are enough cop shows already.

Btw, what Villian predate Batman anyway? Most of the comic ones have either been created due to his actions or appeared long after Batman was born.

I don't understand how cop shows can be so popular despite every person ever always telling me how much they hate cops and fuck the police. Maybe it's the silent ones watching them?

I can see that some people are happy about this and I am glad but to me Gotham City without Batman is like chocolate cake without the chocolate.

Boring, disapointing and completely pointless.

The article and the comments didn't mention Gotham Central which was a similar comic book. The series was really well reviewed and I recommend giving it a look. If they stick to that formula there could be a very good show.

I don't understand, or fathom this. Why is this show on FOX? I mean yes Fox has the rights or legal means to do it. But why would Warner Bros let them do this? Why not have it on the CW? There own freakin channel?

I just cannot..wow.

Edit: Actually I remember that, Batman: TAS aired on Fox Kids way back, so yeah ignore my post.

No Batman, no show.

Well, that's actually not true. I can imagine some really good stuff that could come out of this. For example, we could a season-long story about a serial killer that ends when a character in the show is abducted, thought to be dead, but ends up just having his face mutilated by the killer and going insane. Cool backstory for the Joker, or to shape it to any other character, (since Joker's backstory should remain mysterious, of course!)

I don't really like shows about cops pursuing murderers every week. I'm curious about how much overlap exists between fans of Batman and fans of cop shows. Probably enough to make it successful. I probably won't tune in though.

Pseudonym2:
The article and the comments didn't mention Gotham Central which was a similar comic book. The series was really well reviewed and I recommend giving it a look. If they stick to that formula there could be a very good show.

Might want to peek at the last paragraph, friend. ;)

StewShearer:

Pseudonym2:
The article and the comments didn't mention Gotham Central which was a similar comic book. The series was really well reviewed and I recommend giving it a look. If they stick to that formula there could be a very good show.

Might want to peek at the last paragraph, friend. ;)

Whoops. I read it twice but my eyes just completly skipped over that part.

You'd think they'd do this during Batman reign but there were a good few super criminals before Batman appeared in Gotham. And they could use the history of the Major gotham families.

Eri:
I don't understand how cop shows can be so popular despite every person ever always telling me how much they hate cops and fuck the police. Maybe it's the silent ones watching them?

It's because most people enjoy watching a good mystery, and that the shows often shake a disapproving finger at the practices that garner the profession a bad reputation.

OT: Don't know if I'd be too interested in this. From my admittedly casual knowledge of the Batverse, it was my understanding that the Gotham rogues gallery did not exist prior to Batman's appearance. The ones who did exist before were nothing but run of the mill gangsters or crooks before they had their villain creating run in with Batman.

I hope they do take the Gotham Central approach to this Gordon show and have the other cops and detectives (honest or otherwise) as his supporting cast. Maybe they'll have former Bat-writers working on it, like GC's Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker!

They're hoping to replicate the success of shows like Smallville that only seldom featured Clark/Superman, and focused more on what metropolis was like before the man of steel arrived.

...

Oh, wait!

As much as Gotham Central was great. And as much as this has the possibility to be frikkin amazing...

I have my doubts since Warner Bros has been very crappy lately with their properties. Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman failed pilot, lackluster final season of Smallville, ect. Arrow has been their only good work from what I've been hearing for quite some time.

If it's any good they'll probably cancel it after the first season.

I wouldn't mind a show along the line of Batman: year one, the Gordon in that was pretty damn awesome.

Not G. Ivingname:
I bet that this is DC trying to, again, trying to repeat the success of the Marvel film universe, in this case "Agents of Shields" (missed the pilot last night >_< ). Now, the question will be if it is at all connected to the Superman/Batman crossover.

That's the thing. What Marvel did changed everything. All bets are off on what those two can and can't do. I mean it appears to me on the CW DC is trying to weave a TV universe starting with Arrow. Arrow's second season is rumored to have Flash in at least 3 episodes and a season finale that is supposed to lead into The Flash tv show pilot. Also Wonder Woman is rumored to make an appearance and I know she's getting her own TV show called Amazon as well. Heck people are wondering if any of these are going to tie back to the Man of Steel universe they are setting up.

Point is Marvel kicked down the door and the sky is the limit for this stuff now. Fox is planning a Fantastic 4 reboot and that is said to cross over with the X-men. We know Marvel is going to be alright. Especially if they manage to sell Guardians of the Galaxy. If that is a hit they can do anything. As for everyone else I want to see how this will play out for them. Its actually kind of interesting. The last time we had this many super hero shows might've been the mid 90s to early 2000s and those were animated. Also did you hear about the Warner Bros casting call for "A strong female lead" in the Superman/Batman movie? As in physically strong. Guess what all the agents and fans are thinking.

I like the idea, but in order to do this they'd have to bring in DC villains every once in a while, and because the execs will want more views and more money they'd have villains central to Batman's character, for example the Joker, without batman. I don't like that part, using Joker as an example, would he exist without Batman? That's why he's so special, there are other villains just like him that would make it criminal not to have the Bat involved. However, if they stuck to serial killers like Zsasz, that'd be incredible, and they could go very dark with it.

Honestly, I sort of like the idea.

Agreed, I seriously hope it doesn't become "Law and Order: GCPD", but I'm kind of tired of seeing Cops in comic book universes (especially in the Batman universe) almost universally depicted as being moronic, corrupt, incompetent, and completely helpless until the Superhero comes along to save them. The idea of doing a gritty, realistic Cop show where the Cops have to contend with Supervillains is, to me, an interesting idea.

Ihateregistering1:
The idea of doing a gritty, realistic Cop show where the Cops have to contend with Supervillains is, to me, an interesting idea.

IMO, the cops will have to be able to find a way to deal with the super villains on a week by week basis. Which brings up the issue: if the cops are shown to ultimately be able to deal with the super villains, that undermines the need for the hero. And if the cops can't deal with the villains, but the hero never shows up (because the show's not about him), it becomes exhausting/hopeless to watch the cops get thrashed week after week.

It would be interesting to see a truly ordinary police force with realistic, limited resources having to deal with the likes of Mr Freeze, Bane, Ivy, Clay face ie villains with super human abilities, and not just crazy regular guys like Joker, Two Face, etc. I think it would make for compelling television if it was regular city police, and not "super spy SHIELD" trying to save the day, having to make do without batman because batman doesn't exist. So long as they weren't coming up with deus ex methods of having the police save the day at the last minute because a guy in the lab just happened upon the formula for an "anti-plant aerosal," or something

I seriously hope they do this well. Gotham Central is a brilliant comic and I'd love for a tv show in a similar vein. That said I dunno if DC would be able to pull it off. Also I'd really want a comic writer writing the show.

Eri:
I don't understand how cop shows can be so popular despite every person ever always telling me how much they hate cops and fuck the police. Maybe it's the silent ones watching them?

I think those types of people are more angry at their perceptions of police injustice. In cop shows, there usually isn't any injustice. The people being arrested are very clearly in the wrong. There's not much grey area, unlike in real criminal justice.

Chaosritter:

Btw, what Villian predate Batman anyway? Most of the comic ones have either been created due to his actions or appeared long after Batman was born.

Ra's Al Guhl would be the only one, but then there would be no sense in him showing up, given he's only in Gotham because he wants Batman to either die, or join him and rule the planet as Father and son in law!

I suppose maybe Rupert Thorne and Black Mask would be operating before Batman came on to the scene, but the continuities a bit messed up with Batman after the reboot. Before events had happened over about 15 years, now they happened over 5 and some things happened and some didn't and it's not entirely clear which ones.

Chaosritter:
Law & Order: Gotham City? Not so much.

I disagree, I would love to see a law & Order: Gotham City.

elvor0:

Chaosritter:

Btw, what Villian predate Batman anyway? Most of the comic ones have either been created due to his actions or appeared long after Batman was born.

Ra's Al Guhl would be the only one, but then there would be no sense in him showing up, given he's only in Gotham because he wants Batman to either die, or join him and rule the planet as Father and son in law!

I suppose maybe Rupert Thorne and Black Mask would be operating before Batman came on to the scene, but the continuities a bit messed up with Batman after the reboot. Before events had happened over about 15 years, now they happened over 5 and some things happened and some didn't and it's not entirely clear which ones.

I guess Cobblepot would qualify as well, though he's more of a small time criminal compared to the caliber Batman usually beats up.

Chaosritter:

elvor0:

Chaosritter:

Btw, what Villian predate Batman anyway? Most of the comic ones have either been created due to his actions or appeared long after Batman was born.

Ra's Al Guhl would be the only one, but then there would be no sense in him showing up, given he's only in Gotham because he wants Batman to either die, or join him and rule the planet as Father and son in law!

I suppose maybe Rupert Thorne and Black Mask would be operating before Batman came on to the scene, but the continuities a bit messed up with Batman after the reboot. Before events had happened over about 15 years, now they happened over 5 and some things happened and some didn't and it's not entirely clear which ones.

I guess Cobblepot would qualify as well, though he's more of a small time criminal compared to the caliber Batman usually beats up.

And I only watched Batman Returns the other week as well, don't know how I forgot to mention him. But yeah, like Thorne, Black Mask, Cobblepot, they would've been working their way up there at the same time as Bruce was growing up, well Thorne would've likely been up there already when Bruce was 10, if we assume Bats starts in his mid 20s. The Falcones from Year One could be in there too given they were the major players in Gotham even when Bruce was a boy.

Actually this could work out quite well, some of the lesser known villains from Batmans rogues gallery get some limelight, and heck, if Chris Nolan wants to get involved he can make the crime drama he wanted to make with his Batman Trilogy and not worry about having to water down the villians to make them "grounded" and "realistic" like he did in the films. *cough* Sane Joker with make up, boring Ra's Al Guhl*cough*

Gizmo1990:
I can see that some people are happy about this and I am glad but to me Gotham City without Batman is like chocolate cake without the chocolate.

Boring, disapointing and completely pointless.

Oh, I don't know. If they got some good writers, it stays focused on the development of Jim Gordon and makes him an interesting character, and the story is about how Gotham went from a more or less normal city with an unusually high crime rate to basically super-villain central . . . it could be interesting.

However, it's on fox, so I have no hope.

...This sounds incredibly boring. There are already so many police drama shows nowadays, having another one isn't going to be terribly intriguing. The SHIELD show on the other hand, a show that I'm going to assume is like MIB but replace aliens with superheroes ... and aliens, seems quite different from what I usually hear about on tv.

Hold up! Does this strike anyone else as desperation along the lines of "Man of Steel 2" is now "Batman v Superman?" What I mean is "Man of Steel did not live up to our expectations so what are we going to do for the sequel? Um...throw batman in there." Now it's:

- Exec: We're still chasing Marvel Studios' success with the shared blockbuster movie universe, and now they have "Agents of SHIELD" on tv. We need a television series to fuel interests in our DC propeties.

- Other Exec: We do have the "Arrow" show that has a bit of a cult following we could...

- Exec: Batman! It must feature Batman in some way.

- Yet another Exec: But we don't know which way we're gonna go with Batman in the Batman v Superman movie. We can't have a series depicting Batman in a manner that conflicts with whatever they come up with for the film

- Exec: Good point. I mean, we could, but it'd be ill advised. There's too much to lose. Forget Batman. Let's set it in Batman's universe, and only allude to him

- Other Exec: I really think we could build the universe from within the already established world of "Arrow," rather than undermining what we've accomplished with Arrow by launching yet another show, this one set in Gotham around the exploits of someone that is NOT Batman, or even Bruce Wayne...

- Exec: Arrow's "cult following" isn't going to give us the numbers of Avenger's "mass appeal." We need Batman because given enough time, Batman can solve any problem.

..Then what's the point?

 

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