Omega 2521:

No, well personally, I have never purchased a DVD player nor have had any reason to do so.

if you own a 360 and/or a ps2 you own a dvd player cause both are dvd players

johnx61:
What I love is people who rush to topics like these to wave their Nintendo flags, because Nintendrones see the current market situation as just desserts for Sony for having the audacity to knock Nintendo off of the mountain top with the PS1. I love it when people make blanket statements like. "The Wii is more fun!", "The Wii has a better online system.", The Wii has a larger install base.", "The Wii has cured several types of cancer and will bring us the advent of intergalactic travel." and so forth. The problem with statements like these is that they are half-truths at best and out and out lies at worst.

The Wii isn't all that fun. I mean it's fun for a couple days, but it quickly wears out it's welcome. Of course if you're a 6 year-old pokemon fanatic or an 80 year bowling granny then you're probably running your Wii ragged and haven't turned it off since you purchased it.

Wii Online is awful. Anyone who's played SSBB can tell you this as Nintendo measures the success of SSBB in the number of crashed wi-fi matches. Granted Mario Kart Wii had slightly better online, but it was still no stranger to the mid-race wi-fi crash. At this point I had given up on the Wii so I really don't have any other examples.

Yah, the Wii may have a larger install base. Aiming for people who don't play games seems like a nose-pickingly idiotic idea on paper, but for some reason people who hate gaming keep buying the Wii in droves. Funny thing about the Wii is, that aside from your hardcore Nintendo supporters most Wii owners only have purchased Wii Play and Wii Fit. So what's the point of cashing in thousands of systems when you're not selling any games. Unless you're plan was to point at the NPD numbers and do a little dance because you think it justifies your position when it just tells actual gamers who you kicked in the teeth at E3 that you're doing it wrong.

PS3 is not without it's problems. Yah, it needs more exclusives. And I think that's kind of sad because I was kind of hoping we could get to a point in gaming where Microsoft and Sony would be able to exchange a good portion of their games to each other, but I guess that defeats the point of competition. I'm not an economist, mind you, but I guess I just have a utopian vision where all gamers can play games in harmony without all this silly console bravado, but then all you fanboys would have to find something new to bitch about.

What I love is people who rush to topics like these waving their Sony flags because Sony fans arrogantly believe they know everything about what their competition is thinking. Saying blanket statements like "They think it's just desserts for the PS1!" and "Home is actually good!" and "We don't need backwards compatibility!" and "Blu-Ray is the future!" and "Ports to the PS3 don't suck!" and "Folding @ Home really and seriously will cure cancer through the magical cell processor, you guys!" and so forth. The problem with statements like these is that they are half-truths at best and out and out lies at worst.

I highly doubt every single person, even every single person who likes Nintendo, is thinking about the PS1 at a time like this. Granted we can blame Sony and the PS1 for fostering in the culture of arrogance that dominates gaming today, and led to mass e-peen waving before XBox Live was even a glint in Bill Gates' money-grubbing eye, but no, I doubt people are thinking about the PS1.

Wii Online has never given me a single problem. Perhaps it is because I don't spend my time wangsting about things that got changed from version to version of a game. And since I have played SSBB online without problems, I think we can easily point out that since I must count as a "someone" out of "anyone" that one cannot say a phrase like "Anyone who's played SSBB can tell you this as Nintendo measures the success of SSBB in the number of crashed wi-fi matches"

Number of Crashed Wi-Fi matches for me? Zero. Moving on.

Wii not fun? Oh I guess I must be some kind of goober for playing Metroid Prime 3 and SSBB, and Mario Kart Wii, and Rock Band (friend's Wii since I own a 360 as well), and Metal Slug Anthology. Granted the Wii does not get as much play time as it used to but I still play it, and I still have fun with it. And seeing as how I've been gaming for over 19 years I really don't see how anybody is allowed to tell me my business on what I play, on what platform I play it on, and if I'm enjoying myself. I own a 360, a Wii, a PS2, and a DS. I enjoy all of them equally. I will not ever be buying a PS3 because of experiences with the company itself and because none of the exclusives interest me enough to justify another $400-$500 purchase.

Sony has tried to corner an HD Market that really doesn't exist yet. Speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" HD in any sense, why would I want a blu-ray player? Especially when DVDs are still strong? Simple Answer: I wouldn't. I would like a games console but not only do I have those already, but the PS3 seems to be some sort of movie downloading machine that connects to a bland and uninteresting version of second life, at least that's what the most recent ads might have you think (the first part more than the second)

I could go on and on and talk about how Sony has lied to its own fans about every little thing they couldn't possibly do for the PS3, like get rumble in its controllers. And I could go on and on about how Sony the company has a history of pathological lying and attempted media monopolizing that is known to me personally. But really I just want to get down to brass tacks, and the crux of my counterpoint

You, Mr. Esteemed poster I have quoted, do not think for anybody but yourself. If you are going to attempt to tell me how I should be enjoying my gaming experiences and what platforms I should be buying, then you are doing nothing more than proving the dissenting opinion regarding this stupid chart Sony has come up with. And if you're going to go act like a fanboy while decrying fanboys? Well you just look silly, now don't you.

*is aware of the hypocrisy*

As much of a bane as it would probably be for the economics of video games I think alot of this flaming could very much be resolved if all three companies worked together or vowed to never make a game again.

AceDiamond:

You, Mr. Esteemed poster I have quoted, do not think for anybody but yourself. If you are going to attempt to tell me how I should be enjoying my gaming experiences and what platforms I should be buying, then you are doing nothing more than proving the dissenting opinion regarding this stupid chart Sony has come up with. And if you're going to go act like a fanboy while decrying fanboys? Well you just look silly, now don't you.

*is aware of the hypocrisy*

Oh dear, I seem to have hit the beehive with one too many rocks and now the bees are starting to get angry. I guess I'd better put on my beekeepers uniform.

I am not a Sony fanboy at all. If Sony up and died tomorrow, I'd go buy a 360. In fact, if I could afford it, I'd go buy one anyway. Fanboyism is generally a misnomer as it is often applied to those who have dissenting viewpoints and usually people who cast the term are just fanboys themselves.

It's true, I'm not a fan of Nintendo. But it's because I bought a Wii and felt it was not worth the money I spent on it. As I already said in this very topic, there is room for all three systems. I may not be a fan of Ninty's current policy of recycling the same games repeatedly and producing endless collections of mini-games and passing them off as full games. But if this is what you personally want out of a system, then you're more then welcome to it.

But at least you are aware of your hypocracy. And as they say on TV, realizing that you have a problem indicates that you are not too far gone.

They can argue that the system itself is great, however, the XBox 360 has more games out for it that interest me, ergo, I have an XBox 360, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks like this.

I'm going to try not to be a fanboy by saying this, but the PS3 really does not interest me at all. The only Metal Gear Solid game I enjoyed was 3, and I never finished the others, so MGS4 is out. LBP might be fun...but that's really it for me. And one game, maybe more in the future, is not enough of a reason for me to buy a console this expensive.

"The Wii's lack of enhanced features comes at the expense of a comprehensive entertainment solution," the statement continued.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w (mostly SFW)

cikame:
controllers with vibration, thats an additional purchase for the ps3.

WRONG! The DualShock 3 is now standard with the PS3.
We might want a moderator in here at all times to stop this once the flaming starts.

Indigo_Dingo:

thebobmaster:
I'm going to try not to be a fanboy by saying this, but the PS3 really does not interest me at all. The only Metal Gear Solid game I enjoyed was 3, and I never finished the others, so MGS4 is out. LBP might be fun...but that's really it for me. And one game, maybe more in the future, is not enough of a reason for me to buy a console this expensive.

You seriously don't finbd anything entertaining about a ferret wielding a nuclear weapon?

Are you talking about Ratchet and Clank? That's a series I've thought about starting, but haven't, so it isn't a factor one way or another.

"I haven't played any good games on the Playstation 3 (which I don't own), therefore the Playstation 3 doesn't have any good games."

Harbinger_:
*sighs* After reading all of this I figure I might as well throw my hat into the ring but then I realized I don't wear a hat so I figure I'll throw my controller instead.

1: Sony right now is guilty of nothing that other companies haven't done in the past. Yes it is mudslinging and everyone is guilty of it just like the majority of posters in this thread. If you can't take it then grow an extra layer of skin.

2: It's all well and fine to complain about a lack of exclusive titles on the Playstation 3 but if you know how video games are made you realize that the companies that make the games get to ask the big-wigs ((Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony.))

Whether they want the game or not. They are under no obligation to put it simply to one company and to generate more fans of their work and get more revenue they'll more than likely want to put it on more than one console.

3: In my humble opinion from what I seen of the chart Sony is simply mentioning what is available out of the box. We should all also remember that due to people all being different and special... ((Unless you're a clone.)) That we all like different things in our consoles so the people that don't use Wi-Fi are understandably not going to be caring too much about it.

The same for the titles that a console has with it. Personally I can't stand the Wiimote and I really don't like having to pay to play online like with Microsoft but I also can't stand the fact that Sony dropped the ball on backwards compatibility. It's called preference and having an opinion and people shouldn't be penalized for it.

All the systems are good in their own way:

The Wii offers more simple enjoyable games to a larger demographic at a more affordable price but with lower additional options for the gaming enthusist.

The 360 offers a middle-ground melting pot of enjoyable games to a somewhat smaller demographic at a somewhat higher price with some more options.

The PS3 offers to virtually the same demographic as the 360 but due to the larger amount of options available with it the price is understandably higher.

Demanding of a company that they lower the price of their console to make you happy is not a good way to go about things. Thats like demanding an ice cream vendor to put more ice cream in the scoop because you simply want more. The more things that are added into a console and the more goods and services that come with it logically means that the price is going to be higher.

At one time I owned a Playstation 3 and I owned a 360. I used to play a Nintendo Wii my roommate owned regularly. I ended up selling my 360 because I didn't want to pay for XBL(A) and at the time Gears of War and Mass Effect were coming to the PC with Bioshock on the horizon for the PS3.

As I mentioned before I don't like the Wii's controller and I already own all of the older games so there wasn't really any appeal for the Wii to me. I had a library of PS2 games and I managed to get my claws on a 60GB and I enjoyed it until I unfortunately had to sell it to keep up with bills.

I still miss the 360 for some of the games it had and I still sometimes enjoy playing a game or two on the Wii but I miss my PS3 the most. I had fun with all the consoles so simply saying one provides more fun really depends on what I've been trying to mention all along.

PREFERENCE!

I approve of this statement because I own a PS3, 360, and a really powerful PC but I prefer to play my PS3 over all of them because of the free online, my huge library of PS2 games, and my blu ray movies. For all of you saying blu ray is useless, give me a break okay? Like Harbinger_ said its all preference and my PS3 gave me more bang for my buck so I give it more attention.

*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

y8c616:

I too think both consoles are good, though i prefer the ps3 myself, and im no fanboy,Il admit the ps3 has faults; biggest of all is the rice- no matter how much more functionality it has, it wont sway an on-the-fence consumer. The ps3 upscales dvds and ps2 games as well; while better than standard, it still isnt quite as high quality as blu ray. The difference is visible on any HDTV 1080i or above i think.
The wifi works fine; i think ive lost connection once or twice, when i was having issues with my ISP, so not really the ps3's fault. Also, everyone says that live is better than psn, but ive seen no proof. From what ive seen, live is slightly more polished, but for all the money it makes, it should be. Psn has plenty of exclusive dlc, and you can browse the web on it.
The extra £10 i spent on my Gold plated sony HDMI lead is'nt much of an issue really, seeing as i have a comparable online service free, saving me £50 a year.
All that is just extras though; most people buy consoles for exclusives, and i got my ps3 for MGS4, in the same way that im sure many people got their 360's for halo3

I'm sorry. I know this is just a typo, but I damn well near spewed coffee in my lap top seeing this image in my head of my PS3 having issues with the rice. For some reason it's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. And it's not even funny. Anyway, sorry.

Other than that, well I enjoy my PS3 and I like the Wi-fi and my 320 gig of HDD. It allows me to have my music on the PS3 and clearing up some much needed space on the computer (which incidentally I couldn't afford to upgrade on account of buying the PS3). Hehe. Goes to show.
I honestly don't know which console comes with the best features out of the box. For my needs it was the PS3 with Wi-fi and cheap HDD upgrades, but for others it may well be other things. Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)

teh_gunslinger:
*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

y8c616:

I too think both consoles are good, though i prefer the ps3 myself, and im no fanboy,Il admit the ps3 has faults; biggest of all is the rice- no matter how much more functionality it has, it wont sway an on-the-fence consumer. The ps3 upscales dvds and ps2 games as well; while better than standard, it still isnt quite as high quality as blu ray. The difference is visible on any HDTV 1080i or above i think.
The wifi works fine; i think ive lost connection once or twice, when i was having issues with my ISP, so not really the ps3's fault. Also, everyone says that live is better than psn, but ive seen no proof. From what ive seen, live is slightly more polished, but for all the money it makes, it should be. Psn has plenty of exclusive dlc, and you can browse the web on it.
The extra £10 i spent on my Gold plated sony HDMI lead is'nt much of an issue really, seeing as i have a comparable online service free, saving me £50 a year.
All that is just extras though; most people buy consoles for exclusives, and i got my ps3 for MGS4, in the same way that im sure many people got their 360's for halo3

I'm sorry. I know this is just a typo, but I damn well near spewed coffee in my lap top seeing this image in my head of my PS3 having issues with the rice. For some reason it's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. And it's not even funny. Anyway, sorry.

Other than that, well I enjoy my PS3 and I like the Wi-fi and my 320 gig of HDD. It allows me to have my music on the PS3 and clearing up some much needed space on the computer (which incidentally I couldn't afford to upgrade on account of buying the PS3). Hehe. Goes to show.
I honestly don't know which console comes with the best features out of the box. For my needs it was the PS3 with Wi-fi and cheap HDD upgrades, but for others it may well be other things. Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)

Haha reading that back it is mildly amusing. I blame the fact that the keys have become well worn and slippy on my laptop:P
I think the ps3 is the most feature-rich out of the box, but i think its downfall is its lack of choice. EG if you don't need wifi and don't have a HD TV, then a Premium 360 will be sufficient. Also i agree on not paying for something you've already payed for, like MMO's and XBL; if you bought a game, i think that should entitle you play it online free of charge.
I need a new console when i move out in september (seeing as me and my dad went half's on our ps3) if its a weak year for the ps3 and/or they don't drop the price, i may be getting a 360, just for the multitude of Halo spin offs.

teh_gunslinger:
*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)

Thats how I feel about Live as well. As a college student I'm not made of money and so I'm not willing to pay for live. Why? Well I'm already paying for my freakin' internet service you tart! I don't want to have to pay for gaming online if I already have to pay for my internet. (That seemed very redundant)

Sony is simply taking care of the hard-core gamers. I bought the 80GB PS3 when if first came out and it cost $600+ and you know what? It was effing worth it. Now I'm one of the few in my crowd who has a backward-compatible system and one of the best built. The PS3 has an awesome computer interface and you can upload Linux, Safari and most other Operating Systems onto it and run it as a computer. When I look at value I factor in what you're getting for the price, not just the price like most of you other morons out there. The only problem I have with the PS3 is that it doesn't have KOTOR ... Yet.

AceDiamond:

Granted we can blame Nintendo and the NES for fostering in the culture of arrogance that dominates gaming today, and led to mass e-peen waving before XBox Live was even a glint in Bill Gates' money-grubbing eye, but no, I doubt people are thinking about the PS1.

there i fixed that for you, fanboys were around for a lot longer than the ps1, and as for arrogance yeah Nintendo owns that too. they were faced with eating a HUGE pile of humble pie starting with the n64 and then the gamecube

what they did in that era of gaming almost bankrupted them and put them out of business, it was the gameboy that kept the afloat.

as for your "testing" with the wii online, that's not really great testing, 1 game does not make a test cause i could easily say i tried one 360 game and it crashed the system, it's totally unrealiable

Jarrid:

jdnoth:
Also, Jesus Christ look at all the fanboys.

Would you all go back to the IGN forums pls.

Are you trying to say "I'm not a fanboy" (yes you are!)?

You honestly think you can get away with stealing jokes from Yahtzee on the Escapist forums?

This has been a BAAWW moment by Sony. A complimentary rootkit is now being installed on your computer.

Frank_Sinatra_:

teh_gunslinger:
*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)

Thats how I feel about Live as well. As a college student I'm not made of money and so I'm not willing to pay for live. Why? Well I'm already paying for my freakin' internet service you tart! I don't want to have to pay for gaming online if I already have to pay for my internet. (That seemed very redundant)

Thank you for appreciating my post up there, by the way Mr. Sinatra I've always been a fan of your music. ((Playful joke))

WHEEE! I've read all the posts, I'm SO HELPING! Crap.... Now I forgot what I was gonna rant about, stupid short attention span. I blame school.

Seriously though, I am Helping. Maybe most of you could be too by actually spelling words correctly. I understand typos (Yes, the "rice" issue the PS3 faces made me laugh too), but really, "whit"? WHIT?!?!?!?! W-i-t-h. How about "Mabey", why is that a popular misspelling? Stop proving the media right with your idiotic internet lingo. I am not a grammer nazi, but seriously, it happens too much. Be glad I didn't major in English in college!

Oh yeah, now I remember what I wanted to say! Remember back in the day when Sony (And their fanboys[Not fanbois!]) poked at MS' multiple SKUs? I always find that funny. Plus, I had the fortune of hearing a Sony rep convincing employees and a customer why the 360 was more expensive. He didn't last long when I started talking, shouldn't have been doing that on the sale's floor in front of me. Sony has at multiple points made rookie mistakes, though, I'll admit they failed to make those mistakes as rookies, so maybe they were due? Silly Sony, when will you learn that games and proper targetting trump hardware.

Nintendo seems to have lost something from the Gamecude generation, oh what was it? Something about a seal of something, Quantity? No, they have the quantity down. OH! Quality, the "Nintendo Seal of Quality"! In my day, it was something to be trusted, though in hind-sight, maybe they are the most trustable simply because they no longer have the Seal of Quality on their games, knowing they might not be quality.

My 360 has only RR-ing me once, not had a problem since. Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not touting it as a hugly awesome system because it's only failed on me once, I'd sound weird(er?) for that. If you do lose your system from a technical "hicup", it's easy to replace the HDD at least. Oh, it's an expensive HDD, but it's a click away from working. I have a 10GB HDD, do I need bigger? Uh... Wait for it....No. The number of exclusives on the 360 beats the PS3's, and the number of "worth-it" exclusives seems yet higher to me, don't get me wrong, I have no intention of trying to water down this sentance for PS3 lovers. Launch games for both where.... Interesting at best.

Now, I'd like to state I have no fanboy love for any console. I like my Wii because there is a Zelda game on it, and likly will be in the future. I like my 360 because it has quite a few good-great games, and I hate(Not quite dis-like, not nearly loathe) the PS3 because it has been and is too expensive, the games have perpetually been $10 more expensive and I love my PC in ways that should be a crime. Yeah, I'm a PC gamer first and foremost. Did something die? Oh noes! Better replace it. Being a techie too is good. I think it'd be a bad idea for a monopoly to happen in the games industry, especially if good ol' Microsoft was the one in charge. They would kill us all! They would not be helping. No, I'd say they would turn into Monkeys, and I hate monkeys. STOP FLINGING POO AT ME!

</End of long, pointless, random assortment of letters>

Here's the thing about the PS3. Sony wanted to produce a next gen system and they did. It cost more than the other systems, because it offers everything a next gen system should have. Microsoft cut corners and can sell their system for cheaper, but we've also seen how obvious the corners are that were cut. Sure the 360 is good for what it does and it currently has stuff going for it, but Microsoft is going to have to either pump new renditions to the 360 every so often to keep up with the times. Out of the box the PS3 provides everything you will need in the next gen system for till it's time to bring out the next system. I see the PS3 as a slow moving tank that will over time plow through the competition.

For those that don't understand why Sony doesn't consider the WII a competition, I ask why not? The Wii isn't next gen in the same sense that the PS3 and 360 are. The Wii is a whole new beast. Sales are great for the Wii and people swear by them, but where are the games for it? Seriously beyond about ten or so "good" titles what is there that offers any kind of different experience from the other games. I mean they've brought back point and click adventure games for God's sake. Despite the fact that the Wii has outsold both the PS3 AND the 360 neither systems really care in the same way that other publishers don't care that Bible has outsold their bestsellers by a large margin.

Sony needs to drop/improve the Blu-Ray from the PS3. Maybe then they won't have to pile more onto their 3.3 BILLION DOLLAR DEBT .

Once they figure out that, OH SHIT! graphics aren't everything, I'll start repairing my respect for them.

Indigo_Dingo:

thebobmaster:
I'm going to try not to be a fanboy by saying this, but the PS3 really does not interest me at all. The only Metal Gear Solid game I enjoyed was 3, and I never finished the others, so MGS4 is out. LBP might be fun...but that's really it for me. And one game, maybe more in the future, is not enough of a reason for me to buy a console this expensive.

You seriously don't finbd anything entertaining about a ferret wielding a nuclear weapon?

... Conker?
Seriously, I'm not gonna shell out 600 bucks just to get Rachet and Toaster just so I can play it for like 2 days and get bored of it. Sony hasn't made me happy for a long time, and they probably never will till the next console battle. This is just getting old, PS3 failed, get over it. They just dropped their first "virtual boy" (EDIT: PSP oh shi- )I'm sure they will get back up from it.

But consoles can war all they want but I'm getting sick of this, most games have ceased to be fun or even challenging. Sony can thrust their hardware dong at us all they want, I'd honestly prefer my PS1 and N64 even Snes and Genesis to more than these new consoles because as old as they are, developers knew how to make even the most console throwing hard games into "fun". I have a Wii myself, and I enjoy it but the games I've played are just to easy, and I still prefer the Xbox to Xbox 360. Hell, I'd probably be a PC gamer if my PC wasn't just a glorified typewriter, speaking of which... Why didn't the PS3 put the PC in on that Chart...? because all consoles fail to PC! We have mouse aiming! MWUHA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

I don't wanna get into the crux of this.

But why is it when Microsoft takes a punch at the PS3 Everyone's like "Yeah go Microsoft Woo!"
But when Sony do it "Ugh oh god another Sony talking, ugh just be quiet what did Microsoft do to you?"

Keep in mind I want all 3 consoles to do well, Competition will lead to evolution.

Each Console has good games for it (Although I refuse to comment on the 360 because the majority library doesn't interest me)

I just love how you all treat each other, god your acting like two year olds, they made a statement, they didn't lie, good for them.

Bottom line in the UK is that most games are multi format releases across both the 360 and the PS3 with very few exclusives in either camp. The Wii is on its own as a casual machine. So when making my console choice it was simple:
The 360 was cheaper for the hardware, and the games are cheaper and more numerous. Game over Sony.

Genjutsushi:
Bottom line in the UK is that most games are multi format releases across both the 360 and the PS3 with very few exclusives in either camp. The Wii is on its own as a casual machine. So when making my console choice it was simple:
The 360 was cheaper for the hardware, and the games are cheaper and more numerous. Game over Sony.

I disagree because I know thats a lie, Europe receives the same games as Australia, and I as an Australian know for a fact both consoles have plenty of exclusives in Europe. or maybe the Europeans just suck balls compared to the Australians, I dunno, all I know is you must be blind if you can't find them.

Also on a count the PS3 actually has 2 more exclusives than the 360, so, yes it does have more.

Or course counting that many games I might have lost count.

This thread has become a, no, the perfect example of a "NO U" flame thread. Wow, the Escapist forums have sunk to a new low. And I thought it was immune... oh, how naive I was.

Tattaglia:
This thread has become a, no, the perfect example of a "NO U" flame thread. Wow, the Escapist forums have sunk to a new low. And I thought it was immune... oh, how naive I was.

It took you TIME to realize we were no better than the rest?

Everyone is intelligent until it comes to consoles or a genre you don't like, then *boom* eruption of bullshit.

Onmi:

Tattaglia:
This thread has become a, no, the perfect example of a "NO U" flame thread. Wow, the Escapist forums have sunk to a new low. And I thought it was immune... oh, how naive I was.

It took you TIME to realize we were no better than the rest?

Everyone is intelligent until it comes to consoles or a genre you don't like, then *boom* eruption of bullshit.

*sigh*
I guess I'm just too optimistic for the interwebz.

PedroSteckecilo:
Value = Very Yes
Desired Titles = Very No

Zing!

I think Sony needs a tissue. The extra expenses they talk about are totally optional. Which is better for the consumer. With Sony you have to buy the complete package. Not everybody wants a blu-ray dvd player. Plus Blu-ray dvds are way to expensive to begin with so thats an extra expense for the ps3. You pay $399.99 plus games 59.99 each plus Blu-ray movies which are 34.99 each. that about alittle over 495 dollars. Now a 360 199.99 plus a game 59.99 plus 99.99 if you wanna get a hard drive to play on live plus live itself and extra 50 bucks comes out to alittle over 410 bucks. The xbox is still about 85 dollars cheaper. Sonys bad at math, I mean I don't care which console is better. I'm not saying the 360 is better then ps3 but I do know its cheaper then the ps3.

You know, all else being equal, the PS3 doesn't provide anywhere near as much value as stick:
http://www.strongmuseum.org/NTHoF/inductees.html

Stick:
Display: free Tru-Life stereo 3D
Power: player generated
Library: free SDK with user friendly rapid prototyping and development development
Controls: intuitive, patent free, and accessible

PS3:
Display: not included
Power: extra cost
Library: not included, SDK priced extravagantly
Controls: requires hands, learning curve

bkd69:
You know, all else being equal, the PS3 doesn't provide anywhere near as much value as stick:
http://www.strongmuseum.org/NTHoF/inductees.html

Stick:
Display: free Tru-Life stereo 3D
Power: player generated
Library: free SDK with user friendly rapid prototyping and development development
Controls: intuitive, patent free, and accessible

PS3:
Display: not included
Power: extra cost
Library: not included, SDK priced extravagantly
Controls: requires hands, learning curve

I guess now the gaming industry is focusing on making games for your dog.