Simriel:

MrGFunk:

Malygris:
Sony Slams Wii, 360 For Offering Less Value Than PS3

I consider this advertising. M$ throws it's weight around in the press constantly. Personally, I'm glad Sony are finally stepping to the plate. People should know the details.

I don't understand why they're bringing the Wii into it. Maybe just to show they're not picking on Microsoft (who of course they're targeting).

jupiterman:
You know who else made a chart and statements just like this? SNK. For their Neo Geo system comparing it to 'inferior' 16-bit systems. Not long before it tanked.

There is no comparision between the NEO GEO and the PS3.

I have never met or spoken to anyone who owns a NeoGeo (you, maybe my first?) but I know loads of people with a PS3.

AWOOGA AWOOGA! FANBOY ALERT! FANBOY ALERT! REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS! REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS!
I own BOTH of the consoles attacked by sony here, and i love them both, Also im a student, i cant afford an HDTV, or Blu-Ray movies, i can barely afford games for my Wii and 360, so why should i pay extra money for th blu-ray drive? Until recently i was a PC gamer, therefor had no bias either one based on ownership, my 360 being a present. it came in at around 350 dollars (current exchange rate, im a U.K resident) and came with a HD cable, and 3 games! so i was able to take it right outa the box and start playing right away, also im on an ethernet network, and really cant be bothered with the (marginally) reduced speed of a wireless network

Are you referencing yourself, ironically as an entrance?

I can only assume not, so if you are referring to me you have completely overreacted.

You don't even make reference to either of my points. The chart was in the OP. I didn't make it.

Please don't use my post as a springboard for a rant unless it actually has something to do with what i've said.

This chart is using figures from a boiled down version of the 360 and the better version of the PS3. They also didn't point out that the online for the PS3 is a lot less user friendly than live and also the Hard drive and all the things that the PS3 has the the 360 doesn't come with the better version of the 360. It really didn't need to point out the Wii sucks, because that's obvious.

MrGFunk:

Simriel:

MrGFunk:

Malygris:
Sony Slams Wii, 360 For Offering Less Value Than PS3

I consider this advertising. M$ throws it's weight around in the press constantly. Personally, I'm glad Sony are finally stepping to the plate. People should know the details.

I don't understand why they're bringing the Wii into it. Maybe just to show they're not picking on Microsoft (who of course they're targeting).

jupiterman:
You know who else made a chart and statements just like this? SNK. For their Neo Geo system comparing it to 'inferior' 16-bit systems. Not long before it tanked.

There is no comparision between the NEO GEO and the PS3.

I have never met or spoken to anyone who owns a NeoGeo (you, maybe my first?) but I know loads of people with a PS3.

AWOOGA AWOOGA! FANBOY ALERT! FANBOY ALERT! REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS! REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS!
I own BOTH of the consoles attacked by sony here, and i love them both, Also im a student, i cant afford an HDTV, or Blu-Ray movies, i can barely afford games for my Wii and 360, so why should i pay extra money for th blu-ray drive? Until recently i was a PC gamer, therefor had no bias either one based on ownership, my 360 being a present. it came in at around 350 dollars (current exchange rate, im a U.K resident) and came with a HD cable, and 3 games! so i was able to take it right outa the box and start playing right away, also im on an ethernet network, and really cant be bothered with the (marginally) reduced speed of a wireless network

Are you referencing yourself, ironically as an entrance?

I can only assume not, so if you are referring to me you have completely overreacted.

You don't even make reference to either of my points. The chart was in the OP. I didn't make it.

Please don't use my post as a springboard for a rant unless it actually has something to do with what i've said.

I think i quoted the wrong person... Because when i wrote it, the fanboy alert was relevant, whereas your post is not a fanboy rant... and it had something to do with someone mentioning the prices... anyway, sorry, wront person quoted

mattttherman3:
Lol poor sony, lower the price and they will come! greedy fuckers, my xbox 360 doesn't clutter my entertainment area! the amount of games i have does

Greedy Fu-...

Okay wise ass how much do you think it costs to make a PS3? the fact they sell the console at less that what it takes to make it means they aren't greedy you whiny poor bastard.

You wanna talk greedy? Charging for your Online service is greedy.

Charging 20% more of what the game should actually cost is greedy.

Well, this is pretty snotty and pointless.

If PS3 continue to stick to there guns theres a good chance they'll murg or disappear from the next console generation altogether.

mattttherman3:
Lol poor sony, lower the price and they will come! greedy fuckers, my xbox 360 doesn't clutter my entertainment area! the amount of games i have does

And this people, is a fanboy.

Onmi:
Okay wise ass how much do you think it costs to make a PS3? the fact they sell the console at less that what it takes to make it means they aren't greedy you whiny poor bastard.

You wanna talk greedy? Charging for your Online service is greedy.

Charging 20% more of what the game should actually cost is greedy.

You should've quit while you were ahead; last time I checked, PS3 games cost the same as Xbox360 games, and more than Wii games.

I will say that I personally don't agree that MS is overcharging for Live, but I know that others honestly do so I can't truly refute it. And yes, Sony is taking a bath on every console sold so I can't accuse them of greed for overcharging on hardware.

I can (and have) grumped about them using the PS3 as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray, which drove up the unit cost significantly and is contributing to said per-console bath-taking despite it's debatable superiority as a game storage medium. (Yes, you can pack more content on it, requiring less medium for the same content... but it loads content more slowly than DVD, necessitating in many cases a lengthy installation process before play that's shorter (and optional) on the 360 and not present at all in the Wii.) If you want to call Sony greedy, it's in the wider scope of (pyrrhically?) winning the Format War of '08 and not in the hardware price of the console itself.

-- Steve

KiiWii:
I've been watching this epic battle for so long now, and sony continue to earn my contempt. Its getting to the point where its not even funny anymore, its just sad.

Dear Sony,
Change your playstation ways, or lay down and die.

I agree.

Anton P. Nym:

Onmi:
Okay wise ass how much do you think it costs to make a PS3? the fact they sell the console at less that what it takes to make it means they aren't greedy you whiny poor bastard.

You wanna talk greedy? Charging for your Online service is greedy.

Charging 20% more of what the game should actually cost is greedy.

You should've quit while you were ahead; last time I checked, PS3 games cost the same as Xbox360 games, and more than Wii games.

I will say that I personally don't agree that MS is overcharging for Live, but I know that others honestly do so I can't truly refute it. And yes, Sony is taking a bath on every console sold so I can't accuse them of greed for overcharging on hardware.

I can (and have) grumped about them using the PS3 as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray, which drove up the unit cost significantly and is contributing to said per-console bath-taking despite it's debatable superiority as a game storage medium. (Yes, you can pack more content on it, requiring less medium for the same content... but it loads content more slowly than DVD, necessitating in many cases a lengthy installation process before play that's shorter (and optional) on the 360 and not present at all in the Wii.) If you want to call Sony greedy, it's in the wider scope of (pyrrhically?) winning the Format War of '08 and not in the hardware price of the console itself.

-- Steve

Okay the 20% thing was actually a jab at Australian game market prices (which generally are 10-20% more what they should cost)

Maybe in the format war I agree, but remember the PS2 was a DVD player as well, it's not like this isn't the first time they used this strategy, it's not like Microsoft didn't attempt the same with the HD-DVD player add-on.

but my comments of them being 'Greedy' is the fact if they cut prices any more there liable to screw up badly, I live in Australia, I've payed way more than most people for things, it's a second nature to me. so throw on Lives cost in comparison to the bad experiences I had on live, and you can understand why I don't think it's worth paying for.

sorry for the confusion when I said over charging for games, I did mean in the general Australian market they overcharge for games, not directed at any one brand.

Harbinger_:

That "sad format" was the one that made Universal Studios turn around after saying "No we won't support this format." to "We never said anything of the sort, Blu-Ray is better." If anything I'd have to say that HD-DVDs seemed to have been the sadder format having lost the format war.

They're both sad and pathetic, the only difference is that one is still alive. HD-DVD is sad because it died a premature death due to the cockheads at Sony banishing it from major motion picture studios. Nice business practice there, Sony. I thought we had laws designed to prevent douchebag companies from creating monopolies.
What's sad about Blu-Ray is that it's still alive. If human history has taught me nothing else, it's that we're easily lead sheep. Big deal, Blu-Ray "won the format war," well guess who else 'won' that war: VHS. VHS was vastly inferior to its competitor, Beta-Max and the better horse was taken out back and shot. Well guess who else lost that "format war," us, the consumer. Same thing here, only difference is that neither format is any real improvement over normal DVD. HD DVD and Blu-Ray are equally crap, it's like the Pepsi Challenge, except both sodas have been replaced with Jonestown Kool-aid.

jdnoth:

You honestly think you can get away with stealing jokes from Yahtzee on the Escapist forums?

Who said I'm stealing anything? I happen to be a fan of Yahtzee's videos and your anti-fanboy ranting seemed like a great time to point out that in spite of your calling these kettles "black," you yourself, are a pot.

MrGFunk:

Have you seen a Bluray film - Brag away, I've got loads of them, they're amazing. Maybe you need glasses.

I already have glasses and I'm not impressed with braggarts and overhyped software formats when what the industry really needs is better hardware for the already existing format.

I like Kool-Aid. By the way your language is insulting please refrain from acting like an immature child on these forums and show respect for other posters. If you aren't able to do this then I suggest you come back when you can.

Dear Sony:

I feel the need to inform you that I am uninterested in the product you are offering to me at this time. The inclusion of Blu-Ray technology is simply not a selling point for me, and I have little interest in your largest exclusive series, namely Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy. I am not gifted with the patience to find the difference between a Blu-Ray disc and an ordinary DVD, and a great many of your titles are not exclusive to your system.

I have seen the latest in Sony's endeavors into a unified online service (Home), and I am utterly disinterested in this latest iteration of your product. Perhaps some additional work and changes will improve it, so best of luck in your efforts here.

I will not be buying a PS3 at this time.

Signed,
51gunner.

Sylocat:
Dear game console designers:

Graphics. Are. Not. Everything.

Well spoken!...couldn't have said it better myself!!!

TH@T^=^DUDE:

Sylocat:
Dear game console designers:

Graphics. Are. Not. Everything.

Well spoken!...couldn't have said it better myself!!!

So I guess the PS3 is inherently superior because it doesn't break down nearly as much as a 360?

Ya know Hardware stability and all.

51gunner:
Dear Sony:

I feel the need to inform you that I am uninterested in the product you are offering to me at this time. The inclusion of Blu-Ray technology is simply not a selling point for me, and I have little interest in your largest exclusive series, namely Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy. I am not gifted with the patience to find the difference between a Blu-Ray disc and an ordinary DVD, and a great many of your titles are not exclusive to your system.

I have seen the latest in Sony's endeavors into a unified online service (Home), and I am utterly disinterested in this latest iteration of your product. Perhaps some additional work and changes will improve it, so best of luck in your efforts here.

I will not be buying a PS3 at this time.

Signed,
51gunner.

Glad to see you took the time out of your life to post a message to Sony who could care less about what you think, and who I doubt read the escapist. Therefore this is Flamebait.

I would like to ask something, what do people mean when they say 'My 360 gives me things my PS3 cant' while I can understand video games, but not a lot, Hardware-wise the PS3 is better, it doesn't have the failure rate, and oh yeah.

IT'S NOT 2006 ANYMORE there are plenty of exclusives for all genres and it shares the Multi-console titles the 360 has.

Live isn't that much better than PSN and I've used both.

All I can think are a few exclusives and Achievements, Achievements are a Moot point to me just like trophies, and a few exclusives... hell a lot of them aren't that good.

this is the worst PR laden bullshit I've ever heard since the Eidos Tomb Raider UnderWorld Reviews thing. Why is Blu Ray even listed there? Wii is just game console, and the 360 doesn't exactly have the infrastructure to support it. And why hold wi-fi in such hi regard? a wired connection is in my opinion a much more faster and stable method. and you can still attain HD with an arcade. you just need component cables. that's it. Why is HDMI output even listed then? Just say HD output or something.

Onmi:

Okay wise ass how much do you think it costs to make a PS3? the fact they sell the console at less that what it takes to make it means they aren't greedy you whiny poor bastard.

The fact that they sell the PS3 at a loss means nothing in terms of whether or not Sony are greedy. Almost all consoles are initially sold at a loss so that they are more attractive to consumers.

For reference though, the PS3 currently costs around $450 to make. Sony are hoping to break even with manufacturing costs soon.

nilcypher:

Onmi:

Okay wise ass how much do you think it costs to make a PS3? the fact they sell the console at less that what it takes to make it means they aren't greedy you whiny poor bastard.

The fact that they sell the PS3 at a loss means nothing in terms of whether or not Sony are greedy. Almost all consoles are initially sold at a loss so that they are more attractive to consumers.

For reference though, the PS3 currently costs around $450 to make. Sony are hoping to break even with manufacturing costs soon.

I don't think trying to turn a profit is greedy, and I can't find anything thats showing there greed.

Are they corrupt? Sneaky? Underhanded? Aren't all companies like that.

I gotta say this though, They may have given the Sixaxis Motion tech, but it's a whole lot more responsive (Albeit restrictive) than the Wiimote (Stupid tiny sensor)

I can't help but wonder if the Wiimote could have benefited from working like the Sixaxis.

Indigo_Dingo:

joystickjunki3:

Indigo_Dingo:

PedroSteckecilo:
Value = Very Yes
Desired Titles = Very No

Whats it like living in mid 2007? I bet you're really anxious to know who will be the next American president.

Come on, he's right. He said "desired," and that word can mean different things to different people. All of the titles on the PS3 I'd want to play are rentals. Good rentals, but that's it.

EDIT: But that doesn't mean that the PS3 is a bad choice for everyone.

How can you rent LittleBigPlanet?

I found LBP to be pointless and therefore...not fun...

I have all three systems and I definitely would not have a PS3 if I didn't win mine. I'll definitely admit I had fun with Resistance and Ratchet and Clank but...there's nothing else that interests me for the system.

I played Home today for the first time...that was an Epic Fail...No matter what Sony does to it, it's always going to be 20 guys attacking that one female in the room....and she's probably a guy, by the way...

-V- Otix:

Kwil:

That said though, Anton is dead on. You give me a PS3 priced like a 360 Arcade and sure I'll get the PS3 first, other than that though.. no. And similarly, you give me a PS3 priced like a Wii and I'll still get the Wii, because I'm not buying it for the HDMI or Blu-Ray.. I'm buying it for the control system and the games that match the style I enjoy.

Your an idiot, everyone would buy a PS3 for the price of a Xbox360 dumbass the PS3 has better technology, free live, better graphics, and a Blu-Ray who wouldnt want that. And your also a dumbass for taking a Wii over a PS3 at the same price, Wii sucks monkey dick and only offers shitty controls to match with shitty games. Ass for your comment on the Arcade coming with 5 free games think about it, those games are absolute shit and no one with a brain wants to play them. Please spare everyone and chop off your fingers.

No. I would not buy a PS3 for the price of an Xbox360. I wouldn't buy it until it was $100 and came with the entire Resistance series.

Blu-Ray isn't a big enough advance for me to care about it. In fact, I've started to move away from physical media. I haven't bought an actual dvd in the past three years. Everything has come from iTunes.

And to clear things up, I'm not an anti-sony fanboy. I loved my PS1 and my PS2. The PS3 just seams like a giant waste of life to me.

Really? Everything I've heard about the sixaxis has been pretty negative.

I wouldn't say that Sony are greedy, or certainly no greedier than any other multi-national corporation, but the problem they face is that by packing all these features in, their manufacturing costs remain high and so they have limited movement on their retail price. When they finally break even with their costs, they're still going to have the most expensive console on the market, unless they are willing to continue making a loss and bring the retail cost down.

What you have to remember in discussions like these is that our viewpoint on the issue is skewed somewhat by the weight of knowledge we possess. Even as an Xbox 360 owner, I'll freely admit that the PS3 is an impressive piece of hardware, but the average consumer simply doesn't care about that. They see the price and that's about it.

nilcypher:
Really? Everything I've heard about the sixaxis has been pretty negative.

It's on and off about it's "goodness". In some games it's alright, some it's a pointless addon, but really people are complaining for an option thing the developers can choose to use. Some people find it easier to use the SixaxiS than the buttons. The Wiimote and SixaxiS are about the same in motion control.

-V- Otix:

Kwil:
I'm not buying it for the HDMI or Blu-Ray.. I'm buying it for the control system and the games that match the style I enjoy.

Your an idiot, everyone would buy a PS3 for the price of a Xbox360 dumbass the PS3 has better technology, free live, better graphics, and a Blu-Ray who wouldnt want that. And your also a dumbass for taking a Wii over a PS3 at the same price, Wii sucks monkey dick and only offers shitty controls to match with shitty games. Ass for your comment on the Arcade coming with 5 free games think about it, those games are absolute shit and no one with a brain wants to play them. Please spare everyone and chop off your fingers.

Fanboi. Yes, you are... that, or the point sailed majestically over your head and ruffled narry a hair for some other lack of aptitude.

I had to choose only one of the three consoles out of budget concerns, and let me tell you I didn't decide based on teraflops or HDMI output or hi-def storage; I chose based on the games each supported. As a died-in-the-wool Halo fan, my choice was simple. (Simplified further because I was pretty sure there'd be room for me in the Halo 3 beta test.) Choice of games is a very personal thing; me, I have trouble understanding why people are willing to sit through MGS4's extensive downtime or play LoZ by making wanking gestures, but if that's their thing I don't have an issue with their choice.

Blu-ray is a limited draw for the general public, because many (me included) don't have TVs that would bring out BR's advantages; most people have screens too small to be worth displaying at 1080p, or have 720p or lower resolution screens, or have upscaling DVD players at less than a quarter the price of a PS3, or simply aren't interested in having a home theatre. So trumpeting Blu-ray isn't going to grab any sales from those already leaning to the 360 or Wii... my critique isn't that Blu-Ray is worthless, just that Sony is wasting their time (time that they don't really have, given the recession we're in) hammering away on this point.

As to whether the Arcade games included with MS's base model are worth it or not, certainly they're worth more than the zero games you get bundled with the PS3.

-- Steve

-V- Otix:

SomeBritishDude:

If PS3 continue to stick to there guns theres a good chance they'll murg or disappear from the next console generation altogether.

You really believe that Sony will disappear from making consoles? You are an idiot and have lost your privilege to post.

This, considering what I'm about to do, is an ironic post.

This table doesn't necessarily show that much, it may show that the PS3 is better when you buy it, but in the long run, it might not be. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE my PS3, i think its the best 5 trillion pound plastic truck in my house, but it does seem like Sony needs to change. Lower prices sure seem to help, but do what Wal-mart does and go SUPER low, and then raise your prices once you are the King of Console Hill.

TheJavaPirate:
This table doesn't necessarily show that much, it may show that the PS3 is better when you buy it, but in the long run, it might not be. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE my PS3, i think its the best 5 trillion pound plastic truck in my house, but it does seem like Sony needs to change. Lower prices sure seem to help, but do what Wal-mart does and go SUPER low, and then raise your prices once you are the King of Console Hill.

ahh but what matters more? breaking even or selling the most consoles? to me it's breaking even, at the moment everyone and there dog has sony hate up the ass.

I bet if they lowered the price to even something as low as $150 people would SLANDER them, because nobody likes the winners, preferring to stick to old 2006 unfunny press conferences.

Onmi:

TheJavaPirate:
This table doesn't necessarily show that much, it may show that the PS3 is better when you buy it, but in the long run, it might not be. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE my PS3, i think its the best 5 trillion pound plastic truck in my house, but it does seem like Sony needs to change. Lower prices sure seem to help, but do what Wal-mart does and go SUPER low, and then raise your prices once you are the King of Console Hill.

ahh but what matters more? breaking even or selling the most consoles? to me it's breaking even, at the moment everyone and there dog has sony hate up the ass.

I bet if they lowered the price to even something as low as $150 people would SLANDER them, because nobody likes the winners, preferring to stick to old 2006 unfunny press conferences.

you could be very right, i was just suggesting the Wal-Mart strategy.

Onmi:

TheJavaPirate:
This table doesn't necessarily show that much, it may show that the PS3 is better when you buy it, but in the long run, it might not be. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE my PS3, i think its the best 5 trillion pound plastic truck in my house, but it does seem like Sony needs to change. Lower prices sure seem to help, but do what Wal-mart does and go SUPER low, and then raise your prices once you are the King of Console Hill.

ahh but what matters more? breaking even or selling the most consoles? to me it's breaking even, at the moment everyone and there dog has sony hate up the ass.

I bet if they lowered the price to even something as low as $150 people would SLANDER them, because nobody likes the winners, preferring to stick to old 2006 unfunny press conferences.

I'm wondering how you could consider Sony to be the 'winners'? Not that I'm disparaging Sony, but Nintendo and Microsoft have both sold more consoles.

As for the 'breaking even vs console sales' question, if I were Sony, I'd be aiming for both. Don't forget that Sony make money of each game that is sold, which is why they can afford to sell the PS3 at a loss in the first place.

-V- Otix:

Well good job Sony really gives a flying dick on what you think.

Given that I'm a consumer in their most targeted demographic, yes, they care. Maybe not about my singular opinion, but opinions are rarely singular. There's bound to be countless others out there that feel the same way I do about the product.

nilcypher:

Onmi:

TheJavaPirate:
This table doesn't necessarily show that much, it may show that the PS3 is better when you buy it, but in the long run, it might not be. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE my PS3, i think its the best 5 trillion pound plastic truck in my house, but it does seem like Sony needs to change. Lower prices sure seem to help, but do what Wal-mart does and go SUPER low, and then raise your prices once you are the King of Console Hill.

ahh but what matters more? breaking even or selling the most consoles? to me it's breaking even, at the moment everyone and there dog has sony hate up the ass.

I bet if they lowered the price to even something as low as $150 people would SLANDER them, because nobody likes the winners, preferring to stick to old 2006 unfunny press conferences.

I'm wondering how you could consider Sony to be the 'winners'? Not that I'm disparaging Sony, but Nintendo and Microsoft have both sold more consoles.

As for the 'breaking even vs console sales' question, if I were Sony, I'd be aiming for both. Don't forget that Sony make money of each game that is sold, which is why they can afford to sell the PS3 at a loss in the first place.

Actually I meant from the last generation, anyone saying Sony lost with the PS2... well there kidding themselves.

51gunner:

-V- Otix:

Well good job Sony really gives a flying dick on what you think.

Given that I'm a consumer in their most targeted demographic, yes, they care. Maybe not about my singular opinion, but opinions are rarely singular. There's bound to be countless others out there that feel the same way I do about the product.

Then E-mail sony, don't go posting on a messageboard they could care less about, go on, make a stand, say your word to the man.

Oh thats right if you cared that they thought you would have, you would prefer to bait people.

You wanna let sony know how you feel? e-mail them, or make a blog.

Anton P. Nym:
Condensed Quote

Okay, why is it that every time anyone mentions the PS3 and it's price and why you should buy one and all that crap, people always say "Blu-ray isn't enough incentive for me to buy one!".

HELLO PEOPLE! It shouldn't be an incentive in the first god damn place! Sure, Blu-ray is a nice addon to a solid package, but unless you're hunting for something that specifically caters to your need for Blu-ray then why should you care if it comes with Blu-ray?

In other words, does someone who wants to watch blu-ray movies care if the PS3 can play games? No, they only care about the quality of the blu-ray movies they're going to buy for it. The games are an addon.
Do you, someone who activates in games, care about blu-ray movies? I'd assume not, so why are you, someone who plays games that you like, care about an addon that you will probably not use?

If you are a gamer, games should be first on your mind first and foremost. Does the PS3 have games that you want? No? Then don't bother. Yes? Then go for it. Blu-ray, media storage, everything else should be secondary and not influence you unless you are;
A) Looking for a multimedia hub
B) Hoping to actually use any of those
If you aren't going to use them, look at the games and see if you are interested in them.

EDIT: Though after reading your post more clearly, I may have jumped the gun on what you were talking about. This post will more or less be directed to everyone.

Pyronox:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA...

Ahahahah...

BWAHAHAHA...

Sony, sony, sony... When will you ever learn?

Learn what exactly?

You know I remember people giving them the same shit with the PS2.