You know I remember people giving them the same shit with the PS2.
I don;t recall that really.
Anyway, they don't learn that if someone can pull an innovation off before them, it's legit and they can't complain.
They don't learn that if you sew someone for inventing a format before them that had 3 letters the same, people are gonna think they're assholes.
They don't learn that it's so much easier to make PC games than console games and that their main competitor in the console world is in fact a PC.
They don't understand that a console that's roughly the same price with add-ons and less expensive without is more attractive because it's more relaxed on the budget.
They just don't get it.
I do, I remember the big "Oh the graphics suck, oh this is horrible, ugh sony sucks" maybe it's only me who remembers all the crap
As for your other points.
Who?
Who?
It's allways going to be difficult developing for a new format, Valkyria Chronicles, Ratchet and Clank Future, inFamous, White Knight Chronicles, are all showing what can be done when you get your head around the technology.
Most people WILL buy those Add-ons so it IS more for your money.
Thats my response to each point.
Sorry bud, you don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.
Nice, so instead of rebutting me you make a post like this, or you could respond WHERE I don't know (the who's?)
And just saying "Sorry buddy you don't seem to know what your talking about at all" is an insult to my intelligence, i'm rather sure the fact the PS3 has more exclusives overall than the 360 (Granted I did the counting in early 2008 including titles in development for both consoles), additionally that those games I mentioned are using the PS3 hardware and looking great, in the beginning yes there were problems deving for it, not anymore though.
And people do buy those Add-ons, at the very least a Wireless Router. I should know I have plenty of friends with 360's and a brother with one. I feel qualified to talk about something I've played.
I'm not doing anything here, I'm just tired of answering your "rebuttal", which was frankly nonsense, sorry.
Translation: I can't be assed/don't actually have a defence, so I'll just insult you.
Oh, you wanna play? okay.
Oh wait, what attack did you make? HMMMMMMMMMM.
Sorry, it just seems that you're trying to start some kind of war with NO BASIS.
I mean look at your arguments: Addons w/ 360 will cost more than PS3? People can't decide to not buy them now? lol.
And there are STILL problems with deving/porting for PS3: Bioshock.
You know I remember people giving them the same shit with the PS2.
I don;t recall that really.
Anyway, they don't learn that if someone can pull an innovation off before them, it's legit and they can't complain.
They don't learn that if you sew someone for inventing a format before them that had 3 letters the same, people are gonna think they're assholes.
They don't learn that it's so much easier to make PC games than console games and that their main competitor in the console world is in fact a PC.
They don't understand that a console that's roughly the same price with add-ons and less expensive without is more attractive because it's more relaxed on the budget.
They just don't get it.
I do, I remember the big "Oh the graphics suck, oh this is horrible, ugh sony sucks" maybe it's only me who remembers all the crap
As for your other points.
Who?
Who?
It's allways going to be difficult developing for a new format, Valkyria Chronicles, Ratchet and Clank Future, inFamous, White Knight Chronicles, are all showing what can be done when you get your head around the technology.
Most people WILL buy those Add-ons so it IS more for your money.
Thats my response to each point.
Sorry bud, you don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.
Nice, so instead of rebutting me you make a post like this, or you could respond WHERE I don't know (the who's?)
And just saying "Sorry buddy you don't seem to know what your talking about at all" is an insult to my intelligence, i'm rather sure the fact the PS3 has more exclusives overall than the 360 (Granted I did the counting in early 2008 including titles in development for both consoles), additionally that those games I mentioned are using the PS3 hardware and looking great, in the beginning yes there were problems deving for it, not anymore though.
And people do buy those Add-ons, at the very least a Wireless Router. I should know I have plenty of friends with 360's and a brother with one. I feel qualified to talk about something I've played.
I'm not doing anything here, I'm just tired of answering your "rebuttal", which was frankly nonsense, sorry.
Translation: I can't be assed/don't actually have a defence, so I'll just insult you.
Oh, you wanna play? okay.
Oh wait, what attack did you make? HMMMMMMMMMM.
Sorry, it just seems that you're trying to start some kind of war with NO BASIS.
I mean look at your arguments: Addons w/ 360 will cost more than PS3? People can't decide to not buy them now? lol.
And there are STILL problems with deving/porting for PS3: Bioshock.
Exclusives? Do they sell? Lol.
Just go away, you got nothing.
People buy add-ons if you don't fine, but you don't understand what proper evidence is. Evidence, that is sales records, show large quantities of sales of Add-ons, so yes people are buying them.
Not to mention this doesn't change the point that, the chart does NOT LIE!
Porting allways has problems, especially when it's a shoddy port, case in point, Saints Row 2 for the PC, that should have been an easy port they messed up. So really whats the dev problem? oh right no example there.
The exclusives sell yes, you sir are completely blind to what you don't want to see.
Your telling me to go away, I've been respectful with every one of my posts, you sir are the one acting like a brat, your demeanor and words do nothing but irritate me like a fly, learn to post like a mature person before returning to the forums, maybe you forgot why you were banned.
People buy add-ons if you don't fine, but you don't understand what proper evidence is. Evidence, that is sales records, show large quantities of sales of Add-ons, so yes people are buying them.
Not to mention this doesn't change the point that, the chart does NOT LIE!
Porting allways has problems, especially when it's a shoddy port, case in point, Saints Row 2 for the PC, that should have been an easy port they messed up. So really whats the dev problem? oh right no example there.
The exclusives sell yes, you sir are completely blind to what you don't want to see.
Your telling me to go away, I've been respectful with every one of my posts, you sir are the one acting like a brat, your demeanor and words do nothing but irritate me like a fly, learn to post like a mature person before returning to the forums, maybe you forgot why you were banned.
The point is, not 100% of the people will buy the addons and therefore that makes automatically the PS3 the inferior value.
Again, Bioshock.
Well looky here captain obvious. I wouldn't be surprised if you took the bible to the letter as well. Of course they sell, but not as much as good exclusives. Having tons of exclusives only means you can't handle competition. If one day there's a 360 exclusive Metal Gear game, the PS3 is done for. If Halo got a port to PS3? No problem.
I told you to go away because you went all pissy after I told you that what you said frankly didn't make any sense. Ok?
And I didn't even get banned for this post, Mr Mature reporter. It was for 7 days and not even valid because I posted it a month ago, therefore it was lifted.
SuperFriendBFG: I really like Sony's aggressive marketing approach, it really works out for them.
If you haven't realized this yet Sony, Nintendo is kicking your bloody ass because they brought in a buttload of non-gamers into the fold. Nintendo is also working on adding a lot more complexity to future Wii games (and possibly their next console).
next console is 2011 the HD Wii, and yes thats why they are kicking ass.
Nakawa: This just strikes me odd that a company this big is resorting to a childhood mentality of "If I can't see it, it can't hurt me". But then again, I'm not a business major so I might just be missing some huge point there
the point is this 'crack is good, lets have more of that then change anything'
SuperFriendBFG: I really like Sony's aggressive marketing approach, it really works out for them.
If you haven't realized this yet Sony, Nintendo is kicking your bloody ass because they brought in a buttload of non-gamers into the fold. Nintendo is also working on adding a lot more complexity to future Wii games (and possibly their next console).
next console is 2011 the HD Wii, and yes thats why they are kicking ass.
Nakawa: This just strikes me odd that a company this big is resorting to a childhood mentality of "If I can't see it, it can't hurt me". But then again, I'm not a business major so I might just be missing some huge point there
the point is this 'crack is good, lets have more of that then change anything'
im a Pigeon with a Grenade?
and the rest of the board agrees
Who are you and why do I agree with you again?
i'm not sure what the response was, if it's your a Pidgeon with a grenade.
I have to wonder, what would that infinity button be used for?...
Obviously it varies from game to game, but in most cases, your PS4 callapses in on itself creating a black hole that sucks in entire universe, then explouds creating a second big bang so that all of creation starts again until someone once again creates the PS4 and the whole cycle begins once more.
I have to wonder, what would that infinity button be used for?...
Obviously it varies from game to game, but in most cases, your PS4 callapses in on itself creating a black hole that sucks in entire universe, then explouds creating a second big bang so that all of creation starts again until someone once again creates the PS4 and the whole cycle begins once more.
I have to wonder, what would that infinity button be used for?...
Obviously it varies from game to game, but in most cases, your PS4 callapses in on itself creating a black hole that sucks in entire universe, then explouds creating a second big bang so that all of creation starts again until someone once again creates the PS4 and the whole cycle begins once more.
Its also a quick save button.
Good answer. I applaud that.
In other news the PS4 will contain the Megacell Processor™. Sony intentionally made the processor nearly impossible to program for. Getting a game to run properly would take millions of man hours. Sony describes the development process for the next generation of games:
You're more likely to solve String Theory then programming a functional game for our revolutionary entertainment device. Remember; Riiiiidge Raceeeeer!
Gabe Newell responded to Sony's new announcement with this:
I was feverishly devouring cheeseburgers when I read the announcement for the Playstation 4. I would much prefer teabagging a blender then develop a game on such a platform.
I have to wonder, what would that infinity button be used for?...
Obviously it varies from game to game, but in most cases, your PS4 callapses in on itself creating a black hole that sucks in entire universe, then explouds creating a second big bang so that all of creation starts again until someone once again creates the PS4 and the whole cycle begins once more.
Its also a quick save button.
Good answer. I applaud that.
In other news the PS4 will contain the Megacell Processor™. Sony intentionally made the processor nearly impossible to program for. Getting a game to run properly would take millions of man hours. Sony describes the development process for the next generation of games:
You're more likely to solve String Theory then programming a functional game for our revolutionary entertainment device. Remember; Riiiiidge Raceeeeer!
Gabe Newell responded to Sony's new announcement with this:
I was feverishly devouring cheeseburgers when I read the announcement for the Playstation 4. I would much prefer teabagging a blender then develop a game on such a platform.
Unnecessarily Extending the joke! Unnecessarily Extending the joke!
I have to wonder, what would that infinity button be used for?...
Obviously it varies from game to game, but in most cases, your PS4 callapses in on itself creating a black hole that sucks in entire universe, then explouds creating a second big bang so that all of creation starts again until someone once again creates the PS4 and the whole cycle begins once more.
Its also a quick save button.
Good answer. I applaud that.
In other news the PS4 will contain the Megacell Processor™. Sony intentionally made the processor nearly impossible to program for. Getting a game to run properly would take millions of man hours. Sony describes the development process for the next generation of games:
You're more likely to solve String Theory then programming a functional game for our revolutionary entertainment device. Remember; Riiiiidge Raceeeeer!
Gabe Newell responded to Sony's new announcement with this:
I was feverishly devouring cheeseburgers when I read the announcement for the Playstation 4. I would much prefer teabagging a blender then develop a game on such a platform.
And then it stopped being hilarious.
Why did you have to bring in the Ridge Racer it's like 3 years old let it die.
DeadMG: My N64, has finally died, after ten years. I wouldn't pay $50 a year, for ten years, for XBL. I have to side with the PS3. If I hadn't already quit console gaming, I'd definitely get one. $100 for Wi-fi is ridiculous. You pay for the PS3 now, but you'll never lose out for not having that feature. PS3 also has wireless controllers as standard, something I MUCH prefer over wired.
Final point is SO flawed... Every one of the current gen consoles have wireless controllers... Also well i loved the N64, and think it was an amazinf console with great games, IT OLD! it shouldnt be included in an arguement about online gaming because it had none. Nada, Ziltch, also even right now if u buy a wireless adaptor for my new 360, (was a gift, i aint a fanboy) it will Still be cheaper overall then the ps3 and i got three games with the 360
No, my final point was completely correct. PS3 is wireless as standard. 360's standard is wired and the Wiimote may be wireless but last time I checked the console gamepad thingy wasn't. Also the Wiimote has hideous detection issues.
Their advertisement team should have put more thought into this. "We offer more stuff for a higher price" does not counter "It's cheap and simple with just as much fun." People look for a bargain, not the top-of-the-line expense when buying things, and to them video games are all one big blur of sameness. Of course they'll go for the cheapest thing. Sony shot itself in the foot with that blue-ray player, and now they're stuck with it and the expense of putting it in every system.
DeadMG: No, my final point was completely correct. PS3 is wireless as standard. 360's standard is wired and the Wiimote may be wireless but last time I checked the console gamepad thingy wasn't. Also the Wiimote has hideous detection issues.
You are certainly wrong in one particular; all SKUs of the Xbox 360 now ship with wireless controllers. The wired controller is now only available as an accessory for puchase separately. (I picked one up as my "spare" controller, so that I didn't have to worry about flat batteries when busting it out from storage.)
The whole argument Sony has made is a last-ditch effort to try to keep up with the Wii and 360. Also on that note, the individuals (no names) that I have seen defending and even promoting the PS3 here confuse me. The PS3 is a fine machine, good graphics, and the most horse power out there - in theory. Try using it, and developers have been quoted saying that it's hard to do. They find the 360 easier to work with, partially that Microsoft will throw cash at them to fund the projects, i.e. buying out of Bungie and Halo bad when.
The Wii is stable and perfect in every way FOR WHAT IT AIMS TO BE. Family oriented and fun for children, spot on!
The 360 is a well-rounded console. Add-ons provide a scalable pricing model, while getting them all may be more expensive than competition, the base price is cheaper and is a good idea IMO. If you can't afford the PS3, the 360 is there because it cuts corners. All in all, it's interfacing to windows live, my Zune, social networking, and everything else they've added has made it my favorite choice.
PS3 has nothing wrong with it. To the contrary, it has Blue-Ray and the potential for more content and better graphics. The problem lies in that they had no release titles anyone thought justified the price tags besides Sony fan boys, hence shooting themselves in BOTH feet and expecting to be able to crawl fast enough to keep up with the competition. The bit off more than they could chew early on, and now pay for it as the other two were able to burn more money on prospects to destroy the PS3. If Sony had more exclusive titles I care about, I'd have one. Little Big Planet, MGS4, and maybe Resistance 1+2 don't justify the purchase for me.
That's my opinion, but the debate rages on of course.
DeadMG: My N64, has finally died, after ten years. I wouldn't pay $50 a year, for ten years, for XBL. I have to side with the PS3. If I hadn't already quit console gaming, I'd definitely get one. $100 for Wi-fi is ridiculous. You pay for the PS3 now, but you'll never lose out for not having that feature. PS3 also has wireless controllers as standard, something I MUCH prefer over wired.
Final point is SO flawed... Every one of the current gen consoles have wireless controllers... Also well i loved the N64, and think it was an amazinf console with great games, IT OLD! it shouldnt be included in an arguement about online gaming because it had none. Nada, Ziltch, also even right now if u buy a wireless adaptor for my new 360, (was a gift, i aint a fanboy) it will Still be cheaper overall then the ps3 and i got three games with the 360
No, my final point was completely correct. PS3 is wireless as standard. 360's standard is wired and the Wiimote may be wireless but last time I checked the console gamepad thingy wasn't. Also the Wiimote has hideous detection issues.
No... The 360 has a wireless controller. I know people with 360 originals through to elites, i know someone with EVERY kind of Xbox 360 package on the market, and they all got a free wireless controller
They should just lower the price and give in, plus the Wii is only purchased as "family fun" the 360 is markated for older audiences with loads of fun games, I have all the consols but the PS3 is my least favarite for it being marketed for techno freaks who only care about using cutting edge soft ware rather that having fucking fun. I'm not an Xbox fanboy but if sony keeps it up I might end up as one....
I have to say, subtract the $100 for Wi-Fi connectivity (because that's what ethernet is for, it's faster and more reliable anyway) and it looks a lot better for the 360 all around - plus, if you add the cost for a $1500 tv that can actually make full use of the Blu-Ray and HDMI output, it's frankly exorbitant. I'll stick with my regular dvds (cheaper than Blu-Ray) and my (cheaper) 360 with my (free) tv.
However, I do have to admit that the PS3 has some sweet games (as does the xbox). What would be nice is if the price for the PS3 would drop; then I could afford both! hooray! Everyone wins!
My hope is that the PS3 and the 360 remain healthy and in competition for this entire generation. It reminds me of the days of the Genesis/SNES.
I like both systems, for me the 360's library kind of beats the shit out of the PS3 library, but the PS3 still does have quite a few games I'm digging. Such as Valkyria Chronicles, Warhawk, and Killzone 2 might be a pickup for me. That's not even counting certain games that I simply haven't had the chance to experience such as Uncharted and Resistance 2 (which I've heard is a lot of fun).
For those who think I might be ignoring the wii, I love my wii too. For all of the crap that the system gets, I've gotten more good software out of it than I have my PS3, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Dungeon, Mario Kart, all "real" games (whatever that means).
Does anybody really want the competition to flop? Really? That wouldn't help us at all. I mean, I get where that mentality comes from. When I was younger I tended to have only one system per generation, which led me to (naturally) hope that my system was the successful system. For instance, when the Saturn tanked I suddenly didn't have to look at those few (but great) exclusives that I wasn't getting. But in the end, a healthy competition in the hardware race is good for us.
I dont get sony didnt they learn anything from the last generation. they beat nintendo last time why? not beacuse they had better graphics, no the gamecube was the more powerfull console but what it did have was GOOD GAMES. so why are they taking the route that lost last time.
persona J: I dont get sony didnt they learn anything from the last generation. they beat nintendo last time why? not beacuse they had better graphics, no the gamecube was the more powerfull console but what it did have was GOOD GAMES. so why are they taking the route that lost last time.
Why did you revive this thread again? This is OOLLLD news. Sony knows they have to step up, and that's why they have alot of games.
not alot of good games and theve only just realised this. and how the hell am i suposed to no what has already been discused i havnt been on this site for long and i dont go troling through all the threads researching the latest news like some big brother tard.
Hmmm, Yes Sony has some things going for it, unfortunately removing the 80GB from the selection for almost 2 years and then bringing it back after everyone bought the 40GB is just an insult, now I have to go out buy an external backup device, as well as buy an HDD of a decent size (I was thinking about the 150-250GB range)to replace the miniscule HDD.
They are talking about price cuts, but it's too little too late I think. It's taken two publishers threatening to drop support and a couple of media providers verbally slamming the console, to make Sony get off their arse and do something about it.
They're saying that the PS3 is better because it's features can't be had on the Wii? That's like saying a car isn't as good as a tank because it can't hold a turret, they're designed and built for different purposes.
On the other hand, what else is Sony supposed to do? Try to sell the PS3 at even *more* of a loss? With games out for it now, they're committed to both the Blu-Ray format and the Cell processor, which is where the large chunk of their expenses come from. Their attach rate simply isn't strong enough to support a deeper loss on the console, and the longer development times for the Cell processor means that isn't going to start to skyrocket any time soon, especially with the massive install base of the Wii attracting the developers' attentions right now.
Sony took a big gamble and tried essentially to skip a generation of consoles. In one sense, it paid off in that HD-DVD is now dead, and Blu-Ray has emerged as the winner. Unfortunately, with the shift in the economic climate, it may be a case of winning the battle while losing the war.
Oh, you wanna play? okay.
Oh wait, what attack did you make? HMMMMMMMMMM.
Sorry, it just seems that you're trying to start some kind of war with NO BASIS.
I mean look at your arguments: Addons w/ 360 will cost more than PS3? People can't decide to not buy them now? lol.
And there are STILL problems with deving/porting for PS3: Bioshock.
Exclusives? Do they sell? Lol.
Just go away, you got nothing.