DICE: Graphical Parity On All BF4 Versions is "Coward's Way Out"

DICE: Graphical Parity On All BF4 Versions is "Coward's Way Out"

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The game will look very different on current-gen and next-gen platforms.

Battlefield 4 on the Xbox 360 will look different to Battlefield 4 on the Xbox One. This is a seemingly obvious thing to say, but DICE have gone out of their way to stress that the game will be tailor made for the specifications of each platform it will release on, as making each version of the game look the same graphically would be the "coward's way out".

"You could take the coward's way out, and just set the bar at Xbox 360 and PS3, and make it so that all games look the same on all platforms, but that's not who we are. We want to do our best with the hardware."

Battlefield 4 executive producer Patrick Bach, speaking to OXM, said that even with Battlefield 3, a lot of players would "nag" and complain to the developer about why the PC version was graphically superior to the console versions. "You had a game that looked amazing on PS3 and Xbox 360, but it didn't look as good as on PC, and people kept nagging us about that."

Bach says this isn't fair, and that players should instead "compare it to other games on the same platform," rather than comparing versions across platforms. He says his team is really pushing the PC and next-gen console versions to their absolute limits with Battlefield 4, while still making sure that the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions look the best they can, and are a clear step up from Battlefield 3.

Which platform will you be getting Battlefield 4 for? If you're considering getting it for the PC, you may want to check out the open beta that's running, and if you want to get it for your current gen console and upgrade to next-gen in November, you'll be able to do so for as little as $10.

Source: Official Xbox Magazine

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Am I the only one thinking this should be a given rather than something they have to clarify?

Open Beta ended on October 15th, now it's all down to the final release on October 29th.

"You had a game that looked amazing on PS3 and Xbox 360, but it didn't look as good as on PC, and people kept nagging us about that."

I guess there will always be people who are ignorant/uneducated enough to think 7 year old hardware can run games as well as current hardware.

Battenberg:
Am I the only one thinking this should be a given rather than something they have to clarify?

No you're not, but the fact is that there are always people completely ignorant of how their box works or what it's capabilities are, but now they all have internet access and a line to nag the developers, which they didn't in 1995!

I'm wondering how Battlefield 5/BC3/2143/whatever it is in 2015 will be chopped to fit consoles, especially if BF4's sales mirror BF3's enormous disparity between console and PC sales (out of seventeen-ish million sales so far more than half are on PC/Origin). It's obviously profitable for them to go to the consoles but as a relative money spinner it's also obvious that DICE/EA tend to focus on PC after the experiment that was Bad Company 1.

Battenberg:
Am I the only one thinking this should be a given rather than something they have to clarify?

"Should be a given" is fair enough, but regardless of whether it should be, it certainly isn't a given, so clarifying is frankly a good move (why not advertise a feature?).

So they'll be putting the PC version on the XBone and PS4 - not exactly rocket science.

At least then they can tweak the hell out of the settings for the specific machine.

I don't understand why devs are still making games for the current platforms. If they want to sell the next gen they shouldn't provide an alternative to the next gen version, and have they seen BF on current consoles? It doesn't necessarily look bad but the maps have to be made tiny with about half as many control points and that makes me sad.

Well, I suppose its true, never underestimate the stupidity of some people. "Hurr why aint my 7 year old box as good as a brand new box!?" Truly, the voice of a generation those people are.

As for the question at the end; Im not. I bought BF 3 not too long ago, I have my modern combat battlefield, I want a god damn future one again!

Desert Punk:
Well, I suppose its true, never underestimate the stupidity of some people. "Hurr why aint my 7 year old box as good as a brand new box!?" Truly, the voice of a generation those people are.

As for the question at the end; Im not. I bought BF 3 not too long ago, I have my modern combat battlefield, I want a god damn future one again!

Agreed on both point, where the heck is Battlefield 2143? (from 2142). That'd be a Battlefield game I'd pay for, not this same game resold with some DLC (BF3-4)

[quote="Steven Bogos" post="7.831305.20288542"]

Which platform will you be getting Battlefield 4 for? If you're considering getting it for the PC, you may want to check out the open beta that's running,/quote]

Umm, what open beta?

They just closed it down for... reasons. If I had half a brain, I would have thought about DLing it before. After all, I don't want to get this game just to find it melts my processor into a pile of goo. Then again, I play Planetside 2 and framerates only drop when things go insane(like 4 full Galaxies dropping on the same base that is currently under and armored assault).

oldtaku:
So they'll be putting the PC version on the XBone and PS4 - not exactly rocket science.

At least then they can tweak the hell out of the settings for the specific machine.

tbth i was thinking much the same coming into the thread.

it's not like PC games haven't had scalable prettiness to suit different hardware for a very long time.

on a more upbeat note this is what a lot of people ask for ie making the PC version the baseline and then scaling it down onto the consoles as opposed to doing it the other way round and often leaving PC ports with low res textures and the like on display as a result.

tbh given all the major players are now basically PCs (the PS3 being kinda the last "bespoke" console hardware) hopefully this becomes a new default going forward because porting to the new console machines from PC is by all accounts a piece of piss and seriously if you're a 3rd party developer why contemplate cutting yourself off from additional millions of potential sales when that's the case ?

Unfortunately, "pushing to the limits" does equal well optimized. Unless this was decided on VERY early in the development cycle it just sounds like needless busy work.

oldtaku:
So they'll be putting the PC version on the XBone and PS4 - not exactly rocket science.

At least then they can tweak the hell out of the settings for the specific machine.

Well that would be the smart thing to do, but then you'd have all the PC elitists saying "If I wanted to play a game with console quality graphics, I'd play it on a console!"

People saying the GEN 8 version is the same as PC, no way in fucking hell could they run BF4 on those systems. You need a outrageously powerful computer to run it max already, even with the optimization patch.

InvaderTim:
I don't understand why devs are still making games for the current platforms. If they want to sell the next gen they shouldn't provide an alternative to the next gen version, and have they seen BF on current consoles? It doesn't necessarily look bad but the maps have to be made tiny with about half as many control points and that makes me sad.

Honestly it's because it will be of the fact there is already an established install base on the older systems. On top of that they already know how that system works and less money to use the most out of it.

Steven Bogos:
DICE: Graphical Parity On All BF4 Versions is "Coward's Way Out"

Bach says this isn't fair, and that players should instead "compare it to other games on the same platform," rather than comparing versions across platforms.

..... what? it isn't fair to compare a game TO ITSELF on different platforms? One would think that would lead to the most accurate comparisons, rather than comparing two unrelated games. This line makes Bach come off as a whiner, complaining that it isn't fair for you to judge the differences between their products. I mean freaking hell, if two versions of the same game are different, I god damn well want to know.

oldtaku:
So they'll be putting the PC version on the XBone and PS4 - not exactly rocket science.

At least then they can tweak the hell out of the settings for the specific machine.

Well, a scaled down PC version at any rate. The Xbone and PS4 are quite weak compared to modern PCs - even mine I built a couple of years back outmatches them.
Likely it will go, from lowest to highest:
X360
PS3
Xbone
PS4
PC

With a massively visible disparity between 2 and 3, and a noticeable but not huge disparity between 4 and 5, and barely any noticeable difference between 1-2 and 3-4.

snekadid:
..... what? it isn't fair to compare a game TO ITSELF on different platforms? One would think that would lead to the most accurate comparisons, rather than comparing two unrelated games. This line makes Bach come off as a whiner, complaining that it isn't fair for you to judge the differences between their products. I mean freaking hell, if two versions of the same game are different, I god damn well want to know.

He has a fair point. Its not fair to go "BF3 doesn't have great graphics. My PS3 version doesn't look anywhere near as good as the PC version!", and whine about how DICE was lazy, whilst in actuality it looks amazing compared to many other PS3 games, but the PS3 does not have the power to make it look as good as the PC version. As was said at the start of this thread, that should be a given. Just by buying it on a console you should know it won't look as good as it will on a good PC. Some people, however, don't seem to get this.

its obvious that the pc version is better in graphics then consoles. if some console players are upset about it, then they are pretty ignorant.

and the beta is down, which was fun to play but it was very similar to bf3 that i might stick with it and just wait until bf4 is available as a premium version or just cheaper.

Rainbow_Dashtruction:
People saying the GEN 8 version is the same as PC, no way in fucking hell could they run BF4 on those systems. You need a outrageously powerful computer to run it max already, even with the optimization patch.

Not really. My GTX 760 does extremely well on 1080p. It DOES need optimization work and patches though, i've seen people with even more powerful PCs do slighlty worse then me :P .

DVS BSTrD:
Unfortunately, "pushing to the limits" does equal well optimized. Unless this was decided on VERY early in the development cycle it just sounds like needless busy work.

oldtaku:
So they'll be putting the PC version on the XBone and PS4 - not exactly rocket science.

At least then they can tweak the hell out of the settings for the specific machine.

Well that would be the smart thing to do, but then you'd have all the PC elitists saying "If I wanted to play a game with console quality graphics, I'd play it on a console!"

That is self defeating really. PC ultra low settings 1152x640 and 29 fps is what BF3 is on consoles. And they are running it fine, so people should L2Use the damned options slider.

"So we're boosting the graphics as much as we can."

"But what about the gameplay?"

"WHAT ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY!?"

People seriously complained BF3 didn't look as good on consoles as on PC? Are these people fucking morons? do they know how games work at all? geezus.

You buy a low end console you get low end graphics, you buy a high end pc you get high end graphics. This is how technology works people.

Bold words for somebody who decided to ultimately hold back BF 3 by catering to console hardware making most of maps not really destructible :/ one of the best features of those new BF games is neglected so much, you disappoint me dice :P

InvaderTim:
I don't understand why devs are still making games for the current platforms.

Install base of around 150 million vs install base of 0.Seems pretty easy to understand to me

I've heard so much about BF4 that I'm sick of it already. I really can't wait till these modern military shooters just go away. I don't even play them and the devs will be out of the job once everyone else moves on to something different.

Which platform will you be getting Battlefield 4 for?

"So, Mr. McCarthy, on what date did you stop beating your wife?"
"I don't have a wife."
"Just answer the question."

InvaderTim:
I don't understand why devs are still making games for the current platforms. If they want to sell the next gen they shouldn't provide an alternative to the next gen version, and have they seen BF on current consoles? It doesn't necessarily look bad but the maps have to be made tiny with about half as many control points and that makes me sad.

They probably don't want to, I bet it's most likely a publisher's decision.

Battenberg:
Am I the only one thinking this should be a given rather than something they have to clarify?

^This. Although it's strange if BF3 looked better on consoles than on PC, considering PC had way more potential for being graphically superior.

That said, I don't honestly give a damn. BF3 looked just fine to me on PC and my decision on buying BF4, is being impeded by the Premium bullshit as I love the game, but can't really pay some 100+ euros for it. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind buying DLCs (well I do, but not that much), it's the fact that I have to pay it all at once (including DLCs that I won't give a shit about, they'll probably do another Close Quarters kinda thing and that's not what I play BF for) or I get a 50 euro game that has servers I can't join because I'm not Premium. And that's kinda where I'd like to draw a line.

WouldYouKindly:
[quote="Steven Bogos" post="7.831305.20288542"]

Which platform will you be getting Battlefield 4 for? If you're considering getting it for the PC, you may want to check out the open beta that's running,/quote]

Umm, what open beta?

They just closed it down for... reasons. If I had half a brain, I would have thought about DLing it before. After all, I don't want to get this game just to find it melts my processor into a pile of goo. Then again, I play Planetside 2 and framerates only drop when things go insane(like 4 full Galaxies dropping on the same base that is currently under and armored assault).

I think that's just the collective "oh shit...." the defending army says when eight Max units, four lightnings, and a bunch of CQC's land right in front of the CC.

at least that's what would happen in Planetside 1, I'm planning on getting a PS4 just for Planetside 2, so naturally I haven't played it yet.

Magmarock:
I've heard so much about BF4 that I'm sick of it already. I really can't wait till these modern military shooters just go away.

People have been buying Battlefield games for eleven years now with no sign of slowing, you might be in for a long wait.

I get what they're saying, but it's an easy thing to say when you're rolling around in EA's obscene budgets.
I'll counter it by reminding publishers that they are under no obligation to use every scrap of processor power available.

fix-the-spade:

Magmarock:
I've heard so much about BF4 that I'm sick of it already. I really can't wait till these modern military shooters just go away.

People have been buying Battlefield games for eleven years now with no sign of slowing, you might be in for a long wait.

Yeah, I probably am *is sade face, wants a new Dukem Nukem that doesn't suck*

 

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