Smash Bros. Director Hints At New Pokemon In Smash 4

Smash Bros. Director Hints At New Pokemon In Smash 4

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An image of Pikachu with what is clearly the Pokemon X version mascot, Xerneas, appeared on the Smash Bros. website.

There seems to be somewhat of a pattern with how Smash Bros. director Masahiro Sakurai is revealing returning fighters for Super Smash Bros. For Wii U and 3DS. Captain Olimar was announced in the lead up to Pikmin 3's release, Toon Link was announced just after Wind Waker HD's release, and Sonic was revealed in the lead-up to the release of Sonic Lost World.

So, naturally, given that the fate of three Pokemon characters from Brawl (Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Pokemon Trainer) is still unknown, Pokemon fans have been keeping a keen eye on the official Smash Bros. website, in the days leading up to, and following the launch of Pokemon X and Y. Now, that cheeky bugger Sakurai has simply posted up a single image, which shows Pikachu whith what is very clearly Xerneas, the Pokemon X version mascot. It was accompanied by the following caption on the Miiverse.

"Pic of the day. We have absolutely nothing to announce today regarding Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. Really!"

While assuming that this means Xerneas will be a playable character is a bit of a strectch, in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the Pokemon Diamond and Pearl version mascots, Dialga and Palkia, appeared as assist characters from the Pokeball item (as did a whole host of other Pokemon).

In Pokemon X and Y, Charizard and Lucario received "Mega Evolutions", a new form of evolution that only lasts as a temporary transformation. It would definitely make for a neat final smash...

Source: Miiverse

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I haven't read much about Smash Bros 4. Did they get rid of the random Tripping?

Also, I am guessing that they are just going to add the new pokemon as assists and if they add a fighting pokemon, it may be Panchem or A Mega Evolved Blaziken/Lucario

None of the Pokemon were assist trophies, they came out of pokeballs, a completely different item.

Nitpicking aside, I'm not really surprised, only makes sense they'd update the Poke-roster.

Daystar Clarion:
None of the Pokemon were assist trophies, they came out of pokeballs, a completely different item.

Nitpicking aside, I'm not really surprised, only makes sense they'd update the Poke-roster.

My bad. Assist trophies were new in brawl right? Were there pokeballs in melee?

Steven Bogos:

Daystar Clarion:
None of the Pokemon were assist trophies, they came out of pokeballs, a completely different item.

Nitpicking aside, I'm not really surprised, only makes sense they'd update the Poke-roster.

My bad. Assist trophies were new in brawl right? Were there pokeballs in melee?

Pokeballs as you would expect, release only Pokemon, while Assist Trophies unleash other non-Pokemon characters.

But yeah, pokeballs have been in the series since the first game, while Assist trophies were introduced in Brawl.

Daystar Clarion:

Steven Bogos:

Daystar Clarion:
None of the Pokemon were assist trophies, they came out of pokeballs, a completely different item.

Nitpicking aside, I'm not really surprised, only makes sense they'd update the Poke-roster.

My bad. Assist trophies were new in brawl right? Were there pokeballs in melee?

Pokeballs as you would expect, release only Pokemon, while Assist Trophies unleash other non-Pokemon characters.

But yeah, pokeballs have been in the series since the first game, while Assist trophies were introduced in Brawl.

The ultimate troll in the original Smash Bros was when you first got Mew out of a Pokeball, and expected something epic to happen, just for it to float away after doing nothing.

I'm pretty sure that Xerneas and Yveltal will be Pokeball mons. The current mascot legendaries always are. I wouldn't be surprised if we also got Reshiram and Zekrom. As for playables, fingers crossed for the return of Mewtwo after he was cut from Brawl.

Ponyholder:
I haven't read much about Smash Bros 4. Did they get rid of the random Tripping?

Tripping is 100% confirmed to be gone. And thank God for that, I say.

OT: Curiosity abounds. Pokeball Pokemon reveals? New playable Pokemon characters? Pokemon-themed stage? I eagerly await a reveal.

Personally, I hope Mewtwo comes back. He's seeing some new love with the Mega Evolutions, so seeing him as a playable character again would be nice. And a Mega Evolution Final Smash for him would be pretty rad.

Ponyholder:
I haven't read much about Smash Bros 4. Did they get rid of the random Tripping?

Yes they did!

OT: I can't wait to see some Pokeballs and pokemon in action!

Interested in seeing new Pokemon, but still don't have a Wii U and can't afford one atm. So it's not on my radar right now.

Steven Bogos:
In Pokemon X and Y, Charizard and Lucario received "Mega Evolutions", a new form of evolution that only lasts as a temporary transformation. It would definitely make for a neat final smash...

So basically, Pokemon is finally doing what Digimon was doing in season 1?

Oh, right, everyone's forgotten about Digimon by now, so now is a good time to start copying them. XP

There is only one solution that would make sense IMO, besides Zoroark, here is his final smash:

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Blaziken would instantly be my favorite choice.

I can't get the image from my head that that is actually pikachus' tail.
So I guess the news topic should be: Pikachu to get evolved tail in SSB4?

CriticKitten:
Interested in seeing new Pokemon, but still don't have a Wii U and can't afford one atm. So it's not on my radar right now.

Steven Bogos:
In Pokemon X and Y, Charizard and Lucario received "Mega Evolutions", a new form of evolution that only lasts as a temporary transformation. It would definitely make for a neat final smash...

So basically, Pokemon is finally doing what Digimon was doing in season 1?

Oh, right, everyone's forgotten about Digimon by now, so now is a good time to start copying them. XP

Could you research before making comments like that? In all honesty, what's the point of doing that? It just makes you look uninformed and ignorant.

Imo, they should get rid of all Pokemon in the series and create a new SSB just for Pokemon :D I want to play with Blaziken, scizor and haunter.

As much as I love the new sixty-something Pokemon, none of them strike me as good additions to the Smash roster. The Mega evolutions on the other hand...

I would love to play as Blaziken, but I've always figured that it would end up being another Captain Falcon clone (Fire Punch, Blaze Kick, Sky Uppercut, etc.). I can see either Lucario or Mewtwo making a return though, with their respective Mega evolutions. Since the latter has two, the former seems more likely.

Given the amount they've been pushing Mewtwo and Charizard this gen, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mewtwo return as playable (with either Mega-Form as a Final Smash), and perhaps the Pokémon Trainer will be scaled back to just playing as Charizard alone...

Terminate421:

CriticKitten:
Interested in seeing new Pokemon, but still don't have a Wii U and can't afford one atm. So it's not on my radar right now.

Steven Bogos:
In Pokemon X and Y, Charizard and Lucario received "Mega Evolutions", a new form of evolution that only lasts as a temporary transformation. It would definitely make for a neat final smash...

So basically, Pokemon is finally doing what Digimon was doing in season 1?

Oh, right, everyone's forgotten about Digimon by now, so now is a good time to start copying them. XP

Could you research before making comments like that? In all honesty, what's the point of doing that? It just makes you look uninformed and ignorant.

well I am certainly curious now; research what in this case? What you've said doesn't really make sense in the context of their comment.
I mean, they are right, digimon did temporary evolution long before pokemon. I'm guessing by research you could only be meaning how the pokemon anime came out before the digimon anime, but even then what exactly is your point? It doesn't make them any less correct.
(...unless you're referring someone bizarrely to the other part of their comment, about no one remembering digimon, in which case i don't quite understand, they were just being facetious, so what's to research?).

edit: ((given the pokemon avatar though, guessing it's probably just a case of you feeling resentful and make a counter-arguement that doesn't quite make sense for what was actually said XD))

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In regards to the thread topic, i do kinda hope they keep the pokemon trainer, i found their dynamic to be interesting, though it would be cool to see different gen trainers(with corresponding starters) replace/join the roster.

Clearly they need an item though where a bunch of trainers from the new game race across the stage on a stampede of gogoats :P

Terminate421:
Could you research before making comments like that? In all honesty, what's the point of doing that? It just makes you look uninformed and ignorant.

Bwahaha!

Okay, here's my "research" straight from a Pokemon fan site:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution:
In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone. The player must use their Mega Ring, which contains a Key Stone, to resonate with the Mega Stone held by their Pokémon to trigger Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution can only occur in battle and disappears after the battle is over.

So in other words, "Mega Evolution" is an evolutionary state triggered by special symbolic items that force the Pokemon into a highly-advanced state during combat, and they promptly are forced to leave that state when combat ends because the transformation is temporary and too strong to sustain permanently.

Am I wrong in my interpretation there? No, I'm not, at least not if the data provided is correct. So I've "researched" it just fine.

So now let's talk about Digimon, whose TV show featured monsters that would regularly evolve into highly-advanced states that are triggered by special symbolic items, and would (out of combat) drop out of those evolution states because of the energy they require to maintain. Sound familiar? Of course it does, it's essentially the same damn thing. Pokemon uses "stones", Digimon used "crests" (and later, "eggs" and other such devices). All of my buddies who still play Pokemon (the few who do) even explained it to me as "it's basically Digimon but for Pokemon". Hell, Digimon even called one of their evolutionary states "Mega". This is as blatant of a concept ripoff as they come, and even the fans know it.

The only "uninformed and ignorant" comment here is yours, since it seems you actually thought that Pokemon was being new and innovative for stealing a competitor's idea from about 12-14 years ago.

There will always be new Pokemon in new SSB games.

The question is all about playability. Personally I think they are either going to bring back Mewtwo or Lucario, and their new smash move will be them mega evolving into their respective forms.

CriticKitten:

Terminate421:
Could you research before making comments like that? In all honesty, what's the point of doing that? It just makes you look uninformed and ignorant.

Bwahaha!

Okay, here's my "research" straight from a Pokemon fan site:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution:
In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone. The player must use their Mega Ring, which contains a Key Stone, to resonate with the Mega Stone held by their Pokémon to trigger Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution can only occur in battle and disappears after the battle is over.

So in other words, "Mega Evolution" is an evolutionary state triggered by special symbolic items that force the Pokemon into a highly-advanced state during combat, and they promptly are forced to leave that state when combat ends because the transformation is temporary and too strong to sustain permanently.

Am I wrong in my interpretation there? No, I'm not, at least not if the data provided is correct. So I've "researched" it just fine.

So now let's talk about Digimon, whose TV show featured monsters that would regularly evolve into highly-advanced states that are triggered by special symbolic items, and would (out of combat) drop out of those evolution states because of the energy they require to maintain. Sound familiar? Of course it does, it's essentially the same damn thing. Pokemon uses "stones", Digimon used "crests" (and later, "eggs" and other such devices). All of my buddies who still play Pokemon (the few who do) even explained it to me as "it's basically Digimon but for Pokemon". Hell, Digimon even called one of their evolutionary states "Mega". This is as blatant of a concept ripoff as they come, and even the fans know it.

The only "uninformed and ignorant" comment here is yours, since it seems you actually thought that Pokemon was being new and innovative for stealing a competitor's idea from about 12-14 years ago.

Mega evolution wasn't introduced until the third season of Digimon, and the concept of "use found item, become powerful" is far older (for example, every Super Sentai show ever: Power Rangers, Sailor Moon, etc.). Pokemon didn't "rip off" Digimon so much as draw inspiration from the same sources. Digimon is an apt comparison, though, as a means to conceptualize a rather complex (and extremely visual) mechanism.

CriticKitten:

Terminate421:
Could you research before making comments like that? In all honesty, what's the point of doing that? It just makes you look uninformed and ignorant.

Bwahaha!

Okay, here's my "research" straight from a Pokemon fan site:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mega_Evolution:
In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone. The player must use their Mega Ring, which contains a Key Stone, to resonate with the Mega Stone held by their Pokémon to trigger Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution can only occur in battle and disappears after the battle is over.

So in other words, "Mega Evolution" is an evolutionary state triggered by special symbolic items that force the Pokemon into a highly-advanced state during combat, and they promptly are forced to leave that state when combat ends because the transformation is temporary and too strong to sustain permanently.

Am I wrong in my interpretation there? No, I'm not, at least not if the data provided is correct. So I've "researched" it just fine.

So now let's talk about Digimon, whose TV show featured monsters that would regularly evolve into highly-advanced states that are triggered by special symbolic items, and would (out of combat) drop out of those evolution states because of the energy they require to maintain. Sound familiar? Of course it does, it's essentially the same damn thing. Pokemon uses "stones", Digimon used "crests" (and later, "eggs" and other such devices). All of my buddies who still play Pokemon (the few who do) even explained it to me as "it's basically Digimon but for Pokemon". Hell, Digimon even called one of their evolutionary states "Mega". This is as blatant of a concept ripoff as they come, and even the fans know it.

The only "uninformed and ignorant" comment here is yours, since it seems you actually thought that Pokemon was being new and innovative for stealing a competitor's idea from about 12-14 years ago.

In Digimon it wasn't always temporary, for the Digimon belonging to the Digi-Destined it was because they hadn't Digivolved naturally, The only one on the team that did was Gatomon (She was always in her Champion State) There were many Digimon we saw right off the bat that didn't Digivolve into Mega and didn't revert to Rookie stage, Metalseadramon, Piedmon and Puppetmon being 3 examples. They were all Permanent as they had hit that evolution naturally.

So it's kind of the same, but there are differences, Pokemon can't hit the Mega Stage naturally, where Digimon could Digivolve naturally.

Probably come from Pokeball items, all of the version mascots do.

And really, I don't see why this is news. It's a given that Nintendo are gonna do it. I'm more interested about the Wii Fit trainer though. I mean... it's not even a character. It's a faceless, uncanny.. thing. And it's in a huge crossover fic of a game...

I know it won't happen seeing as how version mascots are always in Poke balls, but being able to use Reshiram and Zekrom either controlled by N or the player trainer from Black and White would be a dream come true for me. Though I wouldn't mind playing as Xerneas either.

Anoni Mus:
Imo, they should get rid of all Pokemon in the series and create a new SSB just for Pokemon :D I want to play with Blaziken, scizor and haunter.

I would some Pokemon to stay, but yes, a Super Smash Bros. game with every Pokemon would be one of the best things ever, also one of the hardest games to create. Balancing issues through the roof!

arc1991:

So it's kind of the same, but there are differences, Pokemon can't hit the Mega Stage naturally, where Digimon could Digivolve naturally.

Well... There is an episode/OVA of the pokemon anime where a Mewtwo (not THE Mewtwo, as the one in the mentioned episode/OVA was female) was able to "mega evolve" by itself, even if it wasn't permanent. So I guess they can partially do it naturally? xD

RejjeN:

arc1991:

So it's kind of the same, but there are differences, Pokemon can't hit the Mega Stage naturally, where Digimon could Digivolve naturally.

Well... There is an episode/OVA of the pokemon anime where a Mewtwo (not THE Mewtwo, as the one in the mentioned episode/OVA was female) was able to "mega evolve" by itself, even if it wasn't permanent. So I guess they can partially do it naturally? xD

Mewtwo is a legendary Pokemon, her Powers far outreach that of normal Pokemon, it's possibly she had enough power to Mega Evolve for a short amount of time. xD

Mewtwo is the only Legendary to Mega Evolve, keep that in mind.

Also question, was there a Megastone nearby? :P

2xDouble:
Mega evolution wasn't introduced until the third season of Digimon, and the concept of "use found item, become powerful" is far older (for example, every Super Sentai show ever: Power Rangers, Sailor Moon, etc.). Pokemon didn't "rip off" Digimon so much as draw inspiration from the same sources. Digimon is an apt comparison, though, as a means to conceptualize a rather complex (and extremely visual) mechanism.

Correct, the "Mega Evolution" specifically came much later on, but the concept of temporary evolution into advanced states was in the series since the first few episodes of season 1, and the introduction of trigger items came as early as season 2. So the statements made are still accurate.

arc1991:
In Digimon it wasn't always temporary, for the Digimon belonging to the Digi-Destined it was because they hadn't Digivolved naturally, The only one on the team that did was Gatomon (She was always in her Champion State) There were many Digimon we saw right off the bat that didn't Digivolve into Mega and didn't revert to Rookie stage, Metalseadramon, Piedmon and Puppetmon being 3 examples. They were all Permanent as they had hit that evolution naturally.

So it's kind of the same, but there are differences, Pokemon can't hit the Mega Stage naturally, where Digimon could Digivolve naturally.

From what I understand, the Pokemon's "Mega Evolution" is a forced transformation as well, so it sounds to me like it's exactly the same thing.

Also I'm pretty sure that the advanced states of the examples you gave were primarily examples of villains doing it (even Gatomon, who was the only Digimon among the Digi-Destined with a natural Champ state, did so during her service to Myotismon), and I'm pretty sure the villains were allowed to twist the rules a lot throughout the series to serve as a way to raise the stakes throughout each season. But yes, in some cases, digivolution was "natural". Those cases weren't really what I was referring to, however. I was referring to the comparison of Pokemon trainer to Digi-Destined, in which the mechanics are essentially identical.

Is no one going to point out that Dialga and Palkia weren't actually pokeball assits in Brawl, but rather just part of the background scenery until they tried to kill everyone?

I don't really see how Xerneas would be as a playable character. Has there ever been a smash bros character who was exclusively a quadroped?

Ulquiorra4sama:
Is no one going to point out that Dialga and Palkia weren't actually pokeball assits in Brawl, but rather just part of the background scenery until they tried to kill everyone?

I don't really see how Xerneas would be as a playable character. Has there ever been a smash bros character who was exclusively a quadroped?

This. Not to sound rude, but shouldn't someone knowledgeable on the series be the one posting information about it? It seems like the writer didn't play much smash bros at all(if any)

arc1991:
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RejjeN:
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I would just like to point out mewtwo was made in a lab and has no gender, also there is only one mewtwo (as it blew up the lab/scientist who created it). Mewtwo only talks after mega evolving (if I remember it correctly) so mewtwo most likely just got a more feminine voice once mega evolved. I know that some legendary pokemon are not one of a kind like heatran or zapdos but there is just one mewtwo unless someone decided to make a second almost godly psychic being and also got their hands on mewtwo or mew DNA.

OT: probably just comes out of a pokebal or is part of a map.

Dragonbums:
There will always be new Pokemon in new SSB games.

The question is all about playability. Personally I think they are either going to bring back Mewtwo or Lucario, and their new smash move will be them mega evolving into their respective forms.

This.

I'm really hoping for an announcement regarding a playable character from the pokemon universe.
Personally, I would love the return of Pokemon Trainer. He was very unique.

CriticKitten:

arc1991:
In Digimon it wasn't always temporary, for the Digimon belonging to the Digi-Destined it was because they hadn't Digivolved naturally, The only one on the team that did was Gatomon (She was always in her Champion State) There were many Digimon we saw right off the bat that didn't Digivolve into Mega and didn't revert to Rookie stage, Metalseadramon, Piedmon and Puppetmon being 3 examples. They were all Permanent as they had hit that evolution naturally.

So it's kind of the same, but there are differences, Pokemon can't hit the Mega Stage naturally, where Digimon could Digivolve naturally.

From what I understand, the Pokemon's "Mega Evolution" is a forced transformation as well, so it sounds to me like it's exactly the same thing.

Also I'm pretty sure that the advanced states of the examples you gave were primarily examples of villains doing it (even Gatomon, who was the only Digimon among the Digi-Destined with a natural Champ state, did so during her service to Myotismon), and I'm pretty sure the villains were allowed to twist the rules a lot throughout the series to serve as a way to raise the stakes throughout each season. But yes, in some cases, digivolution was "natural". Those cases weren't really what I was referring to, however. I was referring to the comparison of Pokemon trainer to Digi-Destined, in which the mechanics are essentially identical.

It wasn't forced in Digimon at all, The Digimon wanted to Digivolve to help there friends, the Digivices just aided that process. Mega Evolution could be the same, but considering the Pokemon have to hold a stone, and the trainer has to activate the Mega Ring, i'd call that forced. Where as both the Digidestined and the Digimon have to activate the Digivice (When the trainer is in danger, and when the Digimon wants to help, there arte many instances where they refuse to Digivolve)

In one instance in Digimon, it was forced. When Tai tried to force Agumon to get to the ultimate stage, as he was the only one who could at the time. The result ended up being Skull Greymon, afterwards Tai never forced Agumon again. So its safe to say, if its "forced" the Digimon end up turning into bad Digmon, or, Virus types.

Again, its kind of the same, but there are big differences, mainly to do with how the evolution begins.

retain current roster.

add additional trainer from a different region.

bring mewtwo back.

fix metaknight.

(mic drop)

arc1991:
In one instance in Digimon, it was forced. When Tai tried to force Agumon to get to the ultimate stage, as he was the only one who could at the time. The result ended up being Skull Greymon, afterwards Tai never forced Agumon again. So its safe to say, if its "forced" the Digimon end up turning into bad Digmon, or, Virus types.

To be fair, that lesson was promptly subverted in season 2, when all it took for the Digimon Emperor to override that is a spiral-shaped control device instead of a ring (so basically, more power). So clearly, they *can* be forced into those higher evolutionary levels the "right" way, too, with enough power applied.

Either way I think the fundamental disagreement we have merely hinges upon the definition of "forced" (I'm using it to describe unnatural evolution through the use of accessories, and you're using it to describe actual "force" being used, physically or mentally). And that's really not the part I was focused on. I was more focused on the fact that the concept of Pokemon evolving temporarily through the use of special accessories is pretty clearly taking a page from their former competitors. Subtle differences there may be, but I think we can agree that doesn't really change the fact that the fundamental concept at use is the same, and that it's entirely possible the makers of Pokemon intentionally borrowed this idea from Digimon for marketing purposes.

Either way, it's sorta off the beaten track of this thread's topic. XD

 

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