Ellen Page Nudity in Beyond: Two Souls Triggers Aggressive Sony Response

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In fairness, it would be mighty creepy to find out that a bunch of people who you did some mo cap acting for rendered your nude body to an insane detail. I mean breasts are one thing. Full body nudity without consent is pretty unprofessional at the very least.

Neta:
Who is Ellen Page and why should I care if her face has been photoshopped onto some CGI body?

Maybe they can patch the nude model to give her horrific scars over all the bits of her body that we shouldn't be seeing. Maybe then she'll be happy?

not photoshopped, she Mo-capped for the main female lead in Beyond: Two Souls.

I've seen the shots and I'm not surprised about it, GTA has exposed breasts and penises in both GTAIV and V. this is only a problem because Its Ellen Page's body that they captured and then put a nude texture on (its everything but her groin by the way, they didn't go full perv on it. that would surprise me).

If it was Mocaped then it might be a bit more then just her head being spliced onto a CGI body.

Not G. Ivingname:

The difference here is that it wasn't just the fans creating a nude model, or artwork. That is expected and most likely already existed (I am not venturing to find out). The difference here is that these models were in the GAME. Someone at Like take, the Sims for example. You take away the pixelation around the Sim's naughty bits, and you will find they don't have naughty bits.

Someone at Quantic Dreams created a nude model of Ellen Page, they were PAID by the company to spend time creating this model. Someone most likely approved these files to be put in the game for a shower scene that didn't actually include Ellen Page's naughty bits. They didn't need to make anything extra on her model for that scene, since (by the sound of it) those parts were intentionally left out of the shot.

*shrugs

Fair point, though honestly I'm still not surprised. Quantic Dream already had a history of making fully rendered anatomically correct models. I wouldn't be surprised if the stock models that they start from all had those bits, since it is a French Studio and nudity in media is less stigmatized over there.

Wait...a female character in a game that is taking a shower is NUDE and has TITS? STOP THE FECKING PRESSES! ALERT THE MEDIA! SHELTER YOUR CHILDREN! OH THE HUMANITY!!

Welp, this is going to turn into another Oblivion situation... Only thing is, that series has done full frontal nudity before, and didn't make an effort to cover it up in the previous games before Oblivion, and secondly it's kind of a given that nudity fits that series if you look into its history and lore.

Casual Shinji:
Fuck that! Where's my Willem Dafoe nudity!?

Have you ever heard of a little film called Antichrist? Just.... Throwing that out there, to fill your Dafoe nudity needs.

OT: I feel bad for Ellen Page, though I only have the demo of Beyond: Two Souls to go by, but I am a little more worried the moment someone like Fox News gets word on this and runs with it, It will set video games back, because 'Oh Noes! Nudity is in video games my childrens play, and developers R pervertz!"

It's not going to be the Hot Coffee Mod, it's going to be worse, considering Cage had paid somebody to design this.

Sadly, it will become a game that people will buy, expecting boobs and whatever else, which will probably boost the games sales, sales I feel it really doesn't need, but that's just me.

thaluikhain:
Why would you render her bits if you aren't going to show them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to make her look like a Barbie doll?

Or, better yet, a Barbie Doll with the word "nipples" drawn where the nips usually go. That would improve so many things, like Duke Nukem Forever.

My dislike of Ellen Page is fighting with my tendency to download anything some corporate lawyer tries to force off the Internet without reason. I never thought I'd be this conflicted about downloading nudes. Unerotic low-quality anatomically-suspect nudes, but still.

Ah, well, if I downloaded something from TotalBiscuit just because it got DMCA'd, I can extend the same tolerance to Page. Off to the 34 sites I go....

What a dumb fight to pick. You won't stop rule34, and I'm sure there's more than enough of Ellen Page already.

Even if this is really in-game, it's impossible to see unless you use a dev console or other kind of hack.

Neta:
Who is Ellen Page and why should I care if her face has been photoshopped onto some CGI body?

Maybe they can patch the nude model to give her horrific scars over all the bits of her body that we shouldn't be seeing. Maybe then she'll be happy?

Pretty much this, also so much emotions I don't think I can handle this thing! :(

Bahahahaha!

You'd think people would've learned about the Streisand Effect by now.

Say it with me: Fair use, assholes.

Seriously, this is classic fair use, and Sony is breaking the law by issuing these takedown notices. Somebody needs to countersue. Now Sony may or may not be in trouble with Ellen Paige's lawyers for the model being, er, fully functional to begin with, but that has no bearing on what the consumers are doing.

So I took a look at it and honestly, it's just a naked cgi women in the shower. Nothing really exciting about it so yeah, then again I could just not care seeing how I have framed hentai hanging on my wall.

CJ1145:
I love everything to do with David Cage's games. They're always such clusterfucks of bad storytelling, poor design, and uninspired pseudo-occult bullshit. You're never bored with them! They're just too awful to be bored with. This is just the cherry on top of his latest Shit Sundae.

Honestly though, I'm not surprised by this. Seriously, not at all. Has everyone forgotten Cage's last nightmare of an "experience", Heavy Rain, where we're introduced to our female protagonist by ogling her in the shower for a disturbingly long time, and then we get to watch her get assaulted by a bunch of masked men and... frankly, possibly raped?

I just watched a let's play video of this game and I found the story to be amazing and the characters to be sympathetic and engaging. It has about as much actual game play as a Choose Your own Adventure book but I still very much enjoyed it.

My issue with this whole this is that she does horrible things in this game, game spoilers below

But all that, no one bats an eye. Show her naked and all hell breaks loose.

shogunblade:
I am a little more worried the moment someone like Fox News gets word on this and runs with it, It will set video games back, because 'Oh Noes! Nudity is in video games my childrens play, and developers R pervertz!"

It's not going to be the Hot Coffee Mod, it's going to be worse, considering Cage had paid somebody to design this.

The uproars about sex in games seem to be dying down. There's been several games within the past couple of years that featured explicit nudity, for example Heavy Rain and Witcher 2, but there was no controversy.

Ldude893:
Well, I guess David Cage got too much emotion into the game than Sony and Ellen Page wanted.

Yeah, if you give people access to a CGI doppleganger of a real life celebrity, you're going to best bet that people will exploit it somehow.

inb4 model ripped to garrys mod wackiness

they could have just, oh, i don't know, don't model...everything, like most CGI artists usually do

And yet no nude photos of CGI Willem Dafoe? Not interested.

What the hell is it with David Cage and shower scenes? I bet the first thing he built in Minecraft was a shower...

MinionJoe:
Brilliant move on Sony's part. Fake outrage at customers uncovering "hidden" nudity drums up free press while said nudity prevents customers from selling the title back to Gamestop.

Well played, Sony. Well played.

(Captcha: history repeats itself)

And it's for this reason that I hope Ms. Page manages to get a nice hefty settlement from the corporation.

I don't know what's sadder: That Sony pulled this painfully obvious sales tactic or that there are guys out there who will actually fall for it.

fix-the-spade:

Niccolo:
Y'know, as long as the character portrayed is over 18 I don't really see what the big issue is.

Ellen Paige's contract will have clauses about unauthorised nudity/demeaning content (I mean, more demeaning than being the face of a Quantic Dream game). Putting 'her' nudey body into the game and then making it accessible, even by back door (no sniggering) means probably has entire armies of lawyers springing up out the ground like Spartoi.

Fuck it, Im gonna snigger anyways... and isnt it "snickering"?

I found it and they actually didn't render her vagina at all. It's total barbie doll down there. So, unless they are a different set of images, this article isn't true. Who cares if her nipples are showing besides the American censor board?

I feel ripped off.

Has Cage ever made a game with a female character that didn't involve a gratuitous shower scene?... Omikron, maybe- and if so, probably only because the character fidelity was about at a Virtual Fighter 1 level...

Honestly, yes, I can definitely understand why Ellen Page might be very angry about this. I don't think she's ever done a nude scene in her film career, and didn't sign on to do one for this one. The fact that it isn't "really" her doesn't make it any less of a breach of trust. The companies associated with the game have definitely gone out of their way to highlight her presence in the game as a selling point, to imply that her acting gave the whole a reality and a depth that wouldn't have been present otherwise.

She's now effectively discovered that a scene that was supposed to be discrete was actually filmed at different angles than what was discussed and included in Easter Egg footage.

What a completely avoidable clusterf@$%.

WanderingFool:
Fuck it, Im gonna snigger anyways... and isnt it "snickering"?

They're the same word. Which one is correct depends entirely on where you grew up and your accent.

WanderingFool:

and isnt it "snickering"?

IIRC one is an Americanisation of the other, but don't ask me which is which though.

TOOT TOOT!

ALL ABOARD THE STREISAND EFFECT EXPRESS!!!

TOOT TOOT!

NEXT STOP; PUBLICITY STATION!

an annoyed writer:

thaluikhain:
Why would you render her bits if you aren't going to show them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to make her look like a Barbie doll?

Because polygons is emotions, and jiggly bits is polygons.

Seriously though? I dunno. Probably for the sake of "realism", though in a tasteless manner. Character modeling is getting to be a pretty intensive field these days, and some people I've run into do it just for the sake of doing it, even if they're not doing that shit for a thing focused on the jiggly bits. Some say it helps with "cloth physics simulation" or some BS.

Breasts made out of emotions? David Cage, you have gone to far.

Captcha: Full house. I'm scared mommy.

It pretty common practice in the industry to create models fully nude unless requested otherwise.

luvd1:
Hmmm. Is this what you mean by "emotion" Dave? Having a secret nudie vid of Ellen in full detail. It would make me "emotional".

I may need to find these images for my.......emotional stability. David Cage, why do games need nudity?

Having just seen the images, I say: meh. I've seen better.

That's pretty messed up if Ellen Page did not approve of it, and really creepy. Also doesn't really help with the whole boys club mentality of videogames. There's a huge difference between some random people out there making fake nudes of celebrities and a celebrity, or any person really, giving consent for their likeness to be used in your product, followed by using their likeness in a way they did not agree on, double so for something embarrassing, demeaning, lewd, as rape, brutality, and even 'innocent' nudity, that is again as long as she did not agree to that specific use. Adding the nipples and what looks to be some pubic hair to the model was extra work added to it by someone(s) working on the game, to make a basic skin mesh it's a lot more simple for a bare 'featureless' appearance. Adding those touches was certainly extra work carried out by someone.

Then there's the ESRB, and if anything will happen in that regard. Kind of glad I didn't get this game now, after looking at some of it's gameplay and after trying the demo, while the story seems interesting and perhaps fun, the gameplay seemed somewhat limited and very dull.

Still less demeaning than actually being a woman in a David Cage game.

shogunblade:

Casual Shinji:
Fuck that! Where's my Willem Dafoe nudity!?

Have you ever heard of a little film called Antichrist? Just.... Throwing that out there, to fill your Dafoe nudity needs.

They actually used a body double for "those" scenes.

CJ1145:
I love everything to do with David Cage's games. They're always such clusterfucks of bad storytelling, poor design, and uninspired pseudo-occult bullshit. You're never bored with them! They're just too awful to be bored with. This is just the cherry on top of his latest Shit Sundae.

This sounds like the general opinion of Ride to Hell Retribution.

Wait, when you say full detail, are we talking about plain old nipples or the land of vertical smile as well???

OT: in case this isn't a cheap PR trick, Sony clearly hasn't heard of the Streisand effect. And trying to keep risky screencaps (this can hardly be considered porn/r34) off the internet by threatening with legal actions is simply ridiculous.

I'd laugh my ass off if the game gets recalled like San Andreas did or reworked like Oblivion back in the days, despite the model not being availble without using a (most likely ilegally aquired) dev kit.

CriticalMiss:
Just googled it, it's underwhelming to be honest. And if you've watched the latest Jimquisition you'll remember that David Cage likes to put pointless sex and nudity in his artful masterpieces QTE-fests, so it's not really a shocking revelation. I wonder if they are going to patch it out somehow, since the screenshots will just keep showing up until they do.

I'm pretty sure they can't just patch it out. In the actual game, that is just part of some shower sequence where you don't see anything. The screenshots all come from people playing on debug versions where you can manually move the camera to see her naked. The only thing I guess they could do is patch out the nipples, which honestly seems more trouble than its worth.

CJ1145:
I love everything to do with David Cage's games. They're always such clusterfucks of bad storytelling, poor design, and uninspired pseudo-occult bullshit. You're never bored with them! They're just too awful to be bored with. This is just the cherry on top of his latest Shit Sundae.

I woulda thought the horrible game play would've made the cut as being awful to the point of being like a train wreck that you just have to keep watching.

But in all seriousness, David Cage has expressed his infatuation (paraphrasing) for Ellen Page, so I'm not surprised he made a fully detailed model. Doesn't excuse it, but he is supposedly the main creator of all his games.

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