Nintendo Explains Why Digital Games Aren't Any Cheaper

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Dragonbums:

I didn't say they weren't being stupid, but the way comments on this thread is going is less of just being genrally tired of digital copies being the same as retail copies and more or less being like "X company is stupid for doing this what clowns" like they are the only company doing it.

Doesn't make it better, but considering how they are basically reinforcing the standard mentality it doesn't even surprise me at all.

You realize that's because this is a thread about "[X Company]", right?

If "[X Company]" happened to be Ubisoft instead of Nintendo, most of the responses would still be "[X Company] is stupid for doing this, what clowns", because regardless of the state of the rest of the industry, [X Company] is the only one being shown under the spotlight here.

Besides, not being surprised by something doesn't mean you can't be disappointed by it. I'm not surprised; It still annoys me that Nintendo has the gall to just say "Yeah, we're going to keep them full-price because we want all of the money". Especially since, as you yourself stated, Nintendo titles are notorious for staying full-price years after their release.

Ok that's the kind of bullshit I'd expect from EA not Nintendo. I am disappointed in you Iwata.

Man for all the people who say MS doesn't care about customers, here is a prime example of a company that TRULY does not think of them as anything other than money machines. He is equating perceived value with actual value, ignoring the fact that games are priced too high to begin with, why? Because companies spend tons of money on pointless marketing and wasteful packaging. Digital media has a much lower inherent cost and should be priced accordingly. What they truly don't want is for people who are unable to access digital media right now to not buy the physical version because they know a cheaper option is out there. What they really don't want to do is set a precedent for digital media, forcing them into a price point when ALL games are delivered that way.

Greed, pure and simple.

Oh nintendo how have you fallen...

You know if you still where the stronghouse you have been during the times of the SNES with titles like secret of mana, final fantasy, breath of fire, Contra, street fighter, r-type and the megaman series i would maybe.. just maybe see a point.

But nowadays all the "good" games you have are the same old nintendo lineups, pokemon, mario (including spinoffs like mario cart), zelda and metroid.

Your console name has become synonimous with shovel ware.

If it hadnt been for the fact that you cornered the handheld market and sony shooting itself in the food with its attempts then the situation would look just as bleak as it did before sega stopped making consoles themselves.

Lets face it, the overwhelming mass of games for your consoles arent even worth half the prize you ask for them. And those who are are so milked that their teats are about to fall off.

The console basicly has NO triple A exclusives anymore that arent a nintendo house franchise or from a japanese game developer.

CpT_x_Killsteal:

Isalan:
So digital games are the same price as physical copies cause publishers want more money.

All it is and all it ever will be. The excuse they've come up with is hogwash. Granted, there have been mixed reports for their finances and they've let people go, but please don't use an excuse like something EA would use.

Well, half hogwash. The last bit in their is totally true, by putting new IPs or games they don't think will sell well at a lower price they should succeed in getting more interest for those games. They know they can get away with the regular price points because they have data to back it up. The moment people stop buying the 'overpriced' digital products they will drop the price to encourage sales, but as they said it will likely never happen.

I have a few questions. One, why are they getting targeted specifically? All console people do this. Only on the PC do we see sales and even then they're just that, there is still a base price that is the same, in fact sometimes more, than retail. Another question, why do they expect people to switch to digital when their digital distribution is absolute shite? Seriously, I can't think of a worse online shop. Maybe that's why they're answering this, because they think this is why we complain. I'm fine with buying a digital game as long as I have benefits to buying it digital over physical. It's a detriment to buy a digital Nintendo game, simply due to their piss poor way of using accounts. Dammit, now I'm pissed off again by their incompitance with the online world. Dammit Nintendo, god dammit.

Digital only games already are devalued because they are digital only which means locked to the specific system they were bought on in nintendos case because nintendo is incompetent as fuck when it comes to online.
What an idiot.

Frankly, I'd be less annoyed at this attitude if the downloadable games weren't the same price now as they've always been. The Ocarina of Time remake for the 3DS is still 40 on the eShop. I find it staggering the Nintendo thinks it's okay to price a 2 year old port of a 15 year old game at the same price as a game released this week. Ditto for their Star Fox rerelease. I only have it because I found a physical copy for 1/4 of their asking price.

What makes it all the stranger, is I can buy a downloadable copy of the game from another company's website for cheaper than direct from the source.

Chaosritter:

bdcjacko:
Why do people get outraged the games cost money?

Because you pay the same and get less, that's why.

What do you get less of, do they withhold the last level if you buy a digitial copy?

bdcjacko:

Chaosritter:

bdcjacko:
Why do people get outraged the games cost money?

Because you pay the same and get less, that's why.

What do you get less of, do they withhold the last level if you buy a digitial copy?

You get less of an entire game if you ever use another system.

So yeah, it costs the same because we want money. No news here, move along....

"oooo, we have to pay for the servers, that we dont have because we live in middle-ages - thats why we dont have websites nor emails"

ffs, we all know it - just be honest.... at this point they are like a guy explaining that he didnt commit murder, while holding the body in one hand, and knife in the other. and a post-it with "today i shall commit a murder". and a map titled "i shall bury the body here" with a big red cross. you know what im getting at.

I don't mind it costing the same, but why can't these fucks tell the truth instead of sugarcoating lies with bullshit?

loa:

bdcjacko:

Chaosritter:

Because you pay the same and get less, that's why.

What do you get less of, do they withhold the last level if you buy a digitial copy?

You get less of an entire game if you ever use another system.

How if that different than a physical copy? If I buy say call of duty for wii u, it would play on Xbox 360. So that is dumb argument.

bdcjacko:

loa:

bdcjacko:

What do you get less of, do they withhold the last level if you buy a digitial copy?

You get less of an entire game if you ever use another system.

How if that different than a physical copy? If I buy say call of duty for wii u, it would play on Xbox 360. So that is dumb argument.

Buy your call of shooters on a WiiU digitally, you can only play it on that WiiU.
Buy it physically, you can *gasp* bring it to a friends house and play it on their WiiU.
You can give it to them or sell it.

Bought pokemon X digitally and your 3ds broke?
No more Pokemon X for you if you buy a new 3ds.

It would be nice if these gaming companies would just come out and say "We won't lower the price on digital copies because its more money for us."

Just say it. Hell, I'll even gain some respect for you because of it; a small amount, but still an amount of respect. But don't give us the run-around. We aren't stupid.

I'm *drowning* in the bullshit here. Seriously, how stupid do the putzes in marketing think we are that anyone is going to accept this explanation? They'd have been far better off continuing to say nothing.

I really do like getting digital for 3ds (who seriously wants to carry cartridges around) but I wish there was some sort of digital loyalty program or something. If they want to push digital so badly, then give people incentive.

Not as much "bullshit" said by Iwata as I'm reading here in the comments. =p The simple fact of the matter is that plenty of publishers and devs have said that they can't price down digital sales of their games because major chains like Gamestop have threatened that if they do that, they'll simply stop stocking their games. And since currently the majority of console game sales still happen through brick & mortar stores they can't afford to lose them quite yet.

Iwata ala Article:
"[Digital games aren't cheaper] because we want consumers to value software as highly as possible and because we have been trying to heighten the value of our software whenever we produce it," Iwata said during an investor Q&A, adding "We decided that, since the contents are the same, the company would offer the software at the same price, be it the packaged version or the digital version."

So he's saying:
"We're price gouging you and we think you're all stupid enough to buy our Snob Appeal excuse."

Thanks Nintendo! That sure cleared everything up!
...And fuck you too!

Pedro The Hutt:
Not as much "bullshit" said by Iwata as I'm reading here in the comments. =p The simple fact of the matter is that plenty of publishers and devs have said that they can't price down digital sales of their games because major chains like Gamestop have threatened that if they do that, they'll simply stop stocking their games. And since currently the majority of console game sales still happen through brick & mortar stores they can't afford to lose them quite yet.

Uh, no. Iwata is still spouting total bullshit, because the reason he provided isn't the one you provided.
Yours actually makes a lick of sense; his is just a big ol' strawman about customers valuing software, even though customers logically would get more value from the CHEAPER alternative if it existed.

Karadalis:

But nowadays all the "good" games you have are the same old nintendo lineups, pokemon, mario (including spinoffs like mario cart), zelda and metroid.

I understand why people throw Mario, Pokemon and Zelda under the bus as tired Nintendo perennials...but Metroid? Really??

10 games in 25 years, plus one spinoff. Samus is definitely not milked to the anywhere near the same degree as Mario and Pokemon, or Zelda, or even freaking KIRBY.

He is basically saying we will charge more for these famous products because we know people will buy them and pay whatever we ask. However, we will reduce prices of new IP or experimental stuff because we don't know if it will sell.
Doesn't this "devalue" any new thing they do?
To combat this I suggest not buying or buying less of their famous titles and buying new and more innovative ones instead.
They will be cheaper too.

Sheo_Dagana:
"We could make them cheaper, but we won't. We're also not sorry."

Basically what I read.

So when I buy a digital game, really I'm just doing Nintendo a favor since it's saving them money on the production of a physical copy. That's pretty much it exactly. Okay, I get it. You want to save money. That's fair. But what do I get out of it? I have to go buy a fucking SD card for Luigi's Mansion because the game is so huge that the default SD card doesn't have enough room on it. So there's another 19.99 out of my pocket. Oh, and if I want Fire Emblem, I'll have to splurge on an even bigger card.

It's just nonsense and poorly thought out by the hardware developer to have such criminally small storage space for the sizes of some of these games, you can barely fit more than a couple of games per SD card. They should make cards specifically designed with their own slot to store and retrieve game data. Possibly with customized logos so I know which game is stored on which card and -- oh wait they do that.

And it's the same cost game for game with no extra cost of buying each individual SD card.

Why would I ever buy a 3ds game digitally again?

loa:

bdcjacko:

loa:

You get less of an entire game if you ever use another system.

How if that different than a physical copy? If I buy say call of duty for wii u, it would play on Xbox 360. So that is dumb argument.

Buy your call of shooters on a WiiU digitally, you can only play it on that WiiU.
Buy it physically, you can *gasp* bring it to a friends house and play it on their WiiU.
You can give it to them or sell it.

Bought pokemon X digitally and your 3ds broke?
No more Pokemon X for you if you buy a new 3ds.

Oh, I didn't realize you couldn't transfer accounts between wii u's (how the do you pluralize wii u?). Well now that is a horse of a different color. Being able to transfer games between compatible devices is one of the selling points of digital content.

Sheesh a lot of people are taking this negatively at face value. Not actually looking at it from Nintendo's perspective. They're a long running company with a big history. History full of third party publishers crapping on them whenever they make new consoles. Now with the Wii U, it's even worse.

So while I feel Iwata's saying some truth, he's not saying the whole truth. How can he tell investors that the third party publishers and retail stores would react negatively to games, on release, cost $20-$30 cheaper than retail?

Gamestop and retail chains would either not stock or 'mislabel' the Nintendo brand. Third party publishers would never put their games on the E-shop, stop making games for Nintendo at all, or make them inferior to other consoles.

This 'explanation' seems more like Nintendo taking the bad PR hit in an effort to keep retailers and third party publishers from abandoning Nintendo products.

Dont want to be another poster saying exactly the same thing...

Though i wonder how long they spent in a board meeting to come up with this public excuse?

Im pretty sure a lot of senior japanese business types are not aware entirely of western cynicism. Still not that it matters much now. Literally all my innocence is lost now, i think i might go and cry in a corner for a bit

I pretty much agree with a lot of other people in that this is a stupid reason to give. Yes, a lot of games Nintendo sells are usually good sellers because Nintendo does have a few IPs that sell really well. Yes, I recognize that those games do require some work so I understand that Nintendo should earn some profit from these games to cover the production costs of those games. Even the digital games sold help out in that goal, even if it is ridiculous to care the same, or more, for the digital games. So long as it finally covers the initial production cost of the game, I guess I'll be okay with it. Once that is over though, I hope they would be reasonable to reduce the price of their games, especially the digital version, as after that one cost is covered, they should just be getting straight profit from each sale afterwards.

Only except, I don't see Nintendo doing that at all, ever. Heck, at my Walmart, some of the older Pokemon Titles from Generation 4 were still going for 30 to 40 dollars despite the newer games having been released sometime later (at least the last time I checked them out, which has been a while). Why not reduce the price for their older games to at least give the "straggling" fans a chance to enjoy these titles as well? I feel like it is a missed opportunity of Nintendo to try and do that to make buying games a bit easier for some of their potential customers

Which is the same thing with the digital sales too! I'd imagine they would get a lot more people interested in buying digitally if the games were cheaper because they are cheaper! I'd seriously like to hear an answer as to why this isn't an idea that Nintendo is trying out!

bdcjacko:

loa:

bdcjacko:

What do you get less of, do they withhold the last level if you buy a digitial copy?

You get less of an entire game if you ever use another system.

How if that different than a physical copy? If I buy say call of duty for wii u, it would play on Xbox 360. So that is dumb argument.

He's referring to the limits on titles, specifically here. Staying within the realm of the console '3DS', it's a bit bullshit that a physical copy, that you can potentially pay LESS for, has MORE options (IE, playing on a different 3DS) than the digital version, which should be easier. Why consider that alternative, when the company controlling it creates so many limitations, and thus inconveniences for it? This is, of course, a train of thought going in the direction that you WANT to give money to this company.

But limitations are just one facet of the problem. Nintendo keeping their 'standard' at best puts words in the mouths of their consumers, and at worst appears blatantly AND unreasonably greedy. Overall, no one want's to pay more for a title.

I also find it baffling that companies would hamstring incentive to move units over keeping a bottom line. Especially when digital is virtually unlimited (just keep security and power to the servers on). There's a limit to how much incentive on price you can add to a title, but you see a lot more bullshit if you have to base purchases solely on your interest in the title.

If businesses want to pinch pennies over incentives of convenience, then by all means, consumers should/could/will do the same.

So basically "it's not cheaper because people will buy it anyway, so why miss out on some extra cash?".

So it's an arbitrary price that doesn't actually reflect the cost of the medias creation. Can't say I'm surprised. Oh well since I seem to be buying less and less games every year it's not really hurting my wallet. And is certainly making what used to be pointless leisure time more productive.

LordOfInsanity:
Sheesh a lot of people are taking this negatively at face value. Not actually looking at it from Nintendo's perspective.

Nope. Not buying it.

Nintendo lost the right to that defense when they presumed to speak falsely on behalf of their customers. If they're trying to hold onto retailer support, they should just keep their mouths shut and the physical<->digital prices equal.

And if they can't compete properly anymore, then they don't deserve their customer's money anymore, history be damned.

theApoc:
Man for all the people who say MS doesn't care about customers, here is a prime example of a company that TRULY does not think of them as anything other than money machines.

Nintendo's anti-consumer bullshit here doesn't make any of Microsoft's anti-consumer bullshit any better.

Steven Bogos:
"[Digital games aren't cheaper] because we want consumers to value software as highly as possible and because we have been trying to heighten the value of our software whenever we produce it," Iwata said

Wait hold on, so what is he saying? Is he implying they won't try to "heighten the value" of their games if they aren't charging full retail on digital? Would they just slop out whatever shoots across their desk if digital downloads were at a discount? Does the quality of our favorite IP's hinge on that price-point? Call me a cynic, but I just ain't buying it.

So basically what I got from this thread was:

Typical business motives because a business is there to make money, not rainbows for free.

People taking major offence from Nintendo's statement as if the users word were law and was denied.

People comparing a console company plus their service to Steam a PC only digital market once again as if to prove that everything should and only be Steam based (I game on PC and handhelds for the time being) due to lower prices on some games.

Look people just because Steam has had some positive light for a long while now doesn't bloody mean it should be the norm for every single company to follow as if you decree it as some fucked up law just because you want it to.

Jesus it would be like bullying the shit out of little timmy down the road because he doesn't sell his lemonade cheaper than Billy across the road while treating Billy as if he were some god because you can agree with him which means Little Timmy somehow deserves the biggest shitting.

I bought a Nintendo 3DS (crystal White) along with Pokemon Y, Fire Emblem Awakening and Animal Crossing new Leaf and yet I was happy I purchased them for their price and I'm not even rich as fuck, I'm not pouting like some downtrodden child, wishing Nintendo to make that whole lot I just bought amount to pennies because that would be bad business and devalue the bundle I got in general.

I really can't take some of the shit some users love to spout on here, if anything all 3 consoles will always get shat on when they somehow don't appease the PC only user which 90% of this site may as well be.

If you don't like their prices and deals then just ignore them and buy elsewhere, don't give the finger and pull a spat like some child just because you can't have everything your way.

Bullllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit. They just want dem dolla bills is all.

"Why don't you make something that costs you substantially less to distribute cheaper?" "Cuz it wouldn't be worth as much to the customer!!!!"

>:|

Dishonesty, greed and corruption all for the same great price. /golfclap

Stop bullshitting us, Satoru. Digital games are not cheaper because you want more motherfucking money. Period.

Shadow-Phoenix:
blub

The old "don't complain you entitled bitches" argument again?
I think most users here feel their intelligence is being insulted by so much bullshit.
They might as well have said:
"We charge you the same price as before even with production prices down, because you buy it anyway."
And there is no problem with that. But if a company slaps you in the face with such reasoning people tend to get pissed.
They should have kept quiet.

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