Sony Reserves Right to "Monitor and Record" PS4 User Communication

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As they should. You don't put a bunch of five-year-olds in a room without a babysitter or minder. You're going over to their house, they have every right to monitor you.

we should have a terrorist talk month.

its like pirate day but stretched out for a month and you have to include in every sentence either bomb, america, death, antrax, president or other significant trigger words that are on this list:

Terrorism
Al Qaeda (all spellings)
Terror
Attack
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iran
Pakistan
Agro
Environmental terrorist
Eco terrorism
Conventional weapon
Target
Weapons grade
Dirty bomb
Enriched
Nuclear
Chemical weapon
Biological weapon
Ammonium nitrate
Improvised explosive device
IED (Improvised Explosive
Device)
Abu Sayyaf
Hamas
FARC (Armed Revolutionary
Forces Colombia)
IRA (Irish Republican Army)
ETA (Euskadi ta Askatasuna)
Basque Separatists
Hezbollah
Tamil Tigers
PLF (Palestine Liberation
Front)
PLO (Palestine Liberation
Organization
Car bomb
Jihad
Taliban
Weapons cache
Suicide bomber
Suicide attack
Suspicious substance
AQAP (AL Qaeda Arabian
Peninsula)
AQIM (Al Qaeda in the
Islamic Maghreb)
TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban
Pakistan)
Yemen
Pirates
Extremism
Somalia
Nigeria
Radicals
Al-Shabaab
Home grown
Plot
Nationalist
Recruitment
Fundamentalism
Islamist


http://blogdogcicle.blogspot.de/2012/02/feds-release-official-list-of-trigger.html

Halyah:

Church185:

From the EULA:

"Yes but we can't monitor all PSN activity and we make no commitment to do so. However, we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM at our sole discretion, without further notice to you.

"Your use of PSN and our community features may be recorded and collected by us or sent to us by other users as described in 13.1. Any information collected in this way, for example, your UGM, the content of your voice and text communications, video of your gameplay, the time and location of your activities, and your name, your PSN Online ID and IP address, may be used by us or our affiliated companies to enforce these Terms and the SEN Terms of Service, to comply with the law, to protect our rights and those of our licensors and users, and to protect the personal safety of our employees and users.

"This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities. By accepting these Software Usage Terms, you expressly consent to this."

Meaning you either agree to be monitored or you don't use their software. It's a contract that you agree to, meaning everything you posted above is irrelevant.

Don't know what it's like in the states, but in Europe that thing has about as much legal weight as a dead snail IIRC.

Within the European Union EULA's aren't worth shit and don't hold up in court, basically privacy is considered a right and agreeing to a EULA in such a way as using the software does not supersede said rights.

So yeah.

Dead snail.

Uh... yeah? This was already happening. Someone reports flamebaiting and illegal threats, how do you think a person's account gets banned? Mods review the game and communication in question and make the decision.

I'm not sure I'm familiar with any such service that doesn't reserve this right.

SonOfVoorhees:
Seriously, monitoring text and voice comments? How do they even know the difference between friendly banter and actual threats?

How 'bout, the latter gets reported while the former doesn't. That's how I'd handle it, at least: record everything so it can be used as evidence, but don't look at it until someone speaks up and says something wrong went down. Sony's approach will probably involve more ignoring reports because hiring a decent moderation staff costs money.

you guys want a police state? Mii Verse is the place to go. also guys, even escapist does this.

Keiichi Morisato:

canadamus_prime:
You know Sony, you're failing miserably at selling me on your console. In fact you're doing a wonderful job of ensuring I never buy one.

then stop using the internet, or going on Escapist, because even escapist does the same thing, how do you think they ban people?

Not the same thing and you know it.

and suddenly the PS4 isn't looking so hot now. Looks like first year issues are cropping up already and the thing isn't even out yet.

Ah, the big borther watching you, you just cant escape it now can you?
Well, theres only one platform that remains anonymouse, PC. Just so happens i have one, oh my!

Church185:

MinionJoe:
Pretty sure this violates a few wire-tapping laws.

It doesn't, you are using their network to send messages to other users on their network. They can monitor it all they want.

well google lost the court about wire taping gmail because the content of messages you send with thier network arep rivate and cannot be read by the company even if its a robot searching for spam. so Sony is definatelly in the wrong here. question is, will they get called on it?

Keiichi Morisato:

Meaning you either agree to be monitored or you don't use their software. It's a contract that you agree to, meaning everything you posted above is irrelevant.

Do you sign (and i mean phyiscally put down a signature) the contract before buying the console? If the answer is no then the contract is void and irrelevant.

TexDangerfield:
It's cool it's Sony these guys can do no wrong!....................right?

Sony wins not becuase it does something amazing or that it fights for the consumer. Sony wins because it does the least shit in comparison and often keeps statusQ where other companies go downhill. Sony is not great, its just better than others.

Church185:
Are they breaking any laws? No, not really.

They are if EU court against google is anything to go by.

Church185:
Which is funny because that is from the EU's EULA. The NA EULA hasn't been officially released yet.

Oh, they always make those Eulas, because they dont know any better and hope costumers wont know any better. It also allows easy jutification for banning users from their network (they can ban them for breaking Eula, they cant however sue you or do anything illegal because of it). EULAs and TOS for games in europe are mostly a "we go a right to block your game for X" type of deals.

faefrost:
This is once again much ado about nothing. Pretty much any online service these days will have similar understandings. This is part of their enforcement mechanism to stop things like cyber stalking and criminal activity over their networks. Things like "real world threats made over PSN will be handed off to appropriate police agencies." I don't think we have any reasonable expectation of total privacy of voice or text communication over a privately owned gaming network. The trick is that we have assurances that any such data will be used exclusively for TOS and law enforcement purposes, and not direct targeted marketing.

Normally voice chat was pretty safe because good enough voice recognition robots were pretty much non-existen and manual labour would require them to hire half of the worlds population to work though it. Now as voice recognition improves however....

crepesack :
Isn't this the same as facebook or other messaging services recording conversations? I'm pretty sure this is SOP for messaging services that don't advertise on the basis of anonymity and "untraceable" conversations.

It's probably a security system put in place so they can actually catch bad people.

Actually most games with built in conversation record your conversations. Why? So we can ban them and find out if they're doing illicit things. This is nothing new at all.

It is and i dont use facebook. Skype which i am forced to use has server logs which cant be deleted. you can make sure you wont see them but they got all of what i said 10 years ago.
Most games have a settings whetrher to turn on or off text logging. voice logging is nonexistent unless you record it manually.

Seth Carter:
This is hardly new. Even going back to the Billboard dial in days, or IRC networks, the server controllers have always been able to monitor stuff.

thier level of monitoring was "x neighboarhood is calling to X city, i should connect this wire". if anything, now they have much higher monitoring ability in there. of course the "operators" (really, you had those, we never had those in my country, almost make me jelous) could talk to the person calling in if one was used.

Steve the Pocket:

SonOfVoorhees:
Seriously, monitoring text and voice comments? How do they even know the difference between friendly banter and actual threats?

How 'bout, the latter gets reported while the former doesn't. That's how I'd handle it, at least: record everything so it can be used as evidence, but don't look at it until someone speaks up and says something wrong went down. Sony's approach will probably involve more ignoring reports because hiring a decent moderation staff costs money.

and then you get the situations where two friends talk together and oen of them calls the other "my nigga", a bystander not related to covnersation gets insulted and gets the guy jailed for racism. True story. Now imagine the bystander is a griefer in a match. yeah.....

Keiichi Morisato:
you guys want a police state? Mii Verse is the place to go. also guys, even escapist does this.

If the laws of such state are fair, why not?

Strazdas:
well google lost the court about wire taping gmail because the content of messages you send with thier network arep rivate and cannot be read by the company even if its a robot searching for spam. so Sony is definatelly in the wrong here. question is, will they get called on it?

They are if EU court against google is anything to go by.

Oh, they always make those Eulas, because they dont know any better and hope costumers wont know any better. It also allows easy jutification for banning users from their network (they can ban them for breaking Eula, they cant however sue you or do anything illegal because of it). EULAs and TOS for games in europe are mostly a "we go a right to block your game for X" type of deals.

According to Reuters: "That led the national regulators to issue 12 recommendations for Google to bring its privacy policy into line, including better informing users on how data will be used, and setting precise periods for data to be retained."

Sony has complied with those standards, by informing customers through EULA that they will be monitoring messages (and only messages) sent on PSN.

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