Microsoft Lifts Bans On Those Who Got Early Xbox Ones

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Microsoft Lifts Bans On Those Who Got Early Xbox Ones

Andre Weingarten, who received his Xbox One way, way early, was also given a V.I.P pass to Microsoft's official launch event.

You may recall the curious tale of Andre "Moonlight Swami," Weingarten, who, due to a warehouse mix-up received his Xbox One almost a month earlier than its release date. As most people tend to do these days, he immediately took to social media to brag about it, at which point Microsoft pushed the "off" switch on his console, banning it from connecting to the internet. Boo Microsoft.

However, Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb stressed that the ban was only temporary, and now, true to his word Moonlight Swami is back online, and he's still a little earlier than the general population. Yay Microsoft! Hyb said that the ban on Weingarten, as well as the 150 or so other lucky gamers that managed to snag an early console, was simply meant to keep them from posting video of a service still under construction at the time.

Weingarten says he'll be streaming Call of Duty: Ghosts, Madden NFL 25 and NBA 2K14 from his Twitch TV channel as soon as he's able, so stay tuned for the first Xbox One footage from your average Joe. Weingarten was also offered a seat at tomorrow's worldwide Xbox One launch event in New York, where he'll be a V.I.P guest of Microsoft.

"I knew I'd be able to get online again; Major Nelson (Hryb's Gamertag) thought it would be Thursday at the latest," said Weingarten. Check out his first video of Xbox One footage, a comparison of Call of Duty: Ghosts footage from the Xbone and 360 versions of the game, above.

Nice to see Microsoft pull a 100% "good guy Microsoft" move among the sea of negative press that seems to be washing over them these days.

Source: Kotaku

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If they banned him from playing his console completely then bad Microsoft and exhibit A of why always online consoles are a dumb idea. They have no right to stop you from playing your legally bought games at ANY time period.

RicoADF:
They have no right to stop you from playing your legally bought games at ANY time period.

Now only if we could make this a reality with PC games. Steam games being the prime example as to why you cannot play your brought games earlier.

RicoADF:
They have no right to stop you from playing your legally bought games at ANY time period.

They do have the legal right to deny acsess to their own servers or ban people from using their services though, if a device or game needs them and you bought it with full knowledge that it needs those services you are shit out of luck.

Hence the false comfort of people wanting to cling onto little circular pieces of plastic in the belief that they "own" the game.

Nice to see Microsoft pull a 100% "good guy Microsoft" move among the sea of negative press that seems to be washing over them these days.

I hardly think letting people use the product they paid for and got temporarily banned for using is 100% good and more what should be the bare minimum of what we should expect from a company, but I don't know these days. Seems like we're quite willing to let companies screw over customers.

The reasoning makes sense.
They technically shouldn't have had the product and if it all isn't up and running of course Microsoft doesn't want videos of that going around.

Since it's a temporary ban, no harm was really done.
It's logical.

J Tyran:

They do have the legal right to deny acsess to their own servers or ban people from using their services though, if a device or game needs them and you bought it with full knowledge that it needs those services you are shit out of luck.

Hence the false comfort of people wanting to cling onto little circular pieces of plastic in the belief that they "own" the game.

I said they had no right, not that it wasn't legal for them to do, although the legal side depends on where you live as in some places it would be illegal too.

As long as they did not brick his system, which I cannot tell given that every single source I have read has claimed one or the other or outright remained ambiguous, then I can understand them not wanting risk people posting images of a service that may not be fully up to date and temporarily banning access to XBL (after downloading Day 1 patch which could not conceivably disrupt it in such small numbers).

If they did indeed disable the box, which should no longer need to be always online, then I am in full opposition as I do not consider games and game consoles exempt from any other products such as TVs, Cars, Tools, and general machines when it comes to your right to use as you see fit after full purchase. Machines that actually require a constant online/satellite connection are a grey area however and something that I am ambivalent about.

Saulkar:
As long as they did not brick his system, which I cannot tell given that every single source I have read has claimed one or the other or outright remained ambiguous, then I can understand them not wanting risk people posting images of a service that may not be fully up to date and temporarily banning access to XBL (after downloading Day 1 patch which could not conceivably disrupt it in such small numbers).

If they did indeed disable the box, which should no longer need to be always online, then I am in full opposition as I do not consider games and game consoles exempt from any other products such as TVs, Cars, Tools, and general machines when it comes to your right to use as you see fit after full purchase. Machines that actually require a constant online/satellite connection are a grey area however and something that I am ambivalent about.

What is it so hard to understand? Some people got the console earlier then intended, everything was set up to be working on launch day (not before), the buyers knew that as intended they were supposed to get the console only on launch day, for the period of time untill the launch day their consoles were banned from XBL because as intended they were only supposed to gain access at launch day.

In Steam you can pre-load a game before its actually out, it doesnt mean that you can play it untill then though. The buyer knew that when he pre-ordered the console he was supposed to get it at launch day, not before and as such thats what he got, a fully functional console at launch day like everyone else, no less and no more.

josemlopes:
SNIP

I made it painfully clear what I did not understand. All the sources I have went to either claim that the console was bricked OR claimed that he merely got banned from XBL or were entirely ambiguous.

Furthermore the XBOX is a console, a physical item, not a piece of software like your Steam reference in which downloading the software early has the benefit of spreading out and alleviating server stress. I do not and will not ever accept a companies ability to dictate my usage of my physical property remotely. Not my bike, not my tv, not my computer, not my camera, not my game console. If I purchase a car before its release date and get it earlier than I should why should I be prevented from using it if the insurance and plates were properly issued? I can understand being cut off from a service such as XBL, not a physical product.

In summery: Sources are bork, bork, bork, but I get the overall impression that the console was still playable offline in which case I have no beef but I will never yield to a companies desire to control my access to a physical item remotely including bricking a console.

SourMilk:

RicoADF:
They have no right to stop you from playing your legally bought games at ANY time period.

Now only if we could make this a reality with PC games. Steam games being the prime example as to why you cannot play your brought games earlier.

Or even sometimes games you buy on launch day because, you know, fuck working out how timezones and calendars interact.

People seem to be under the impression that they initially 'bricked' the system. All they did was ban him from xbox live, and again only temporarily, Microsoft are trying to gain our trust back and people just aren't giving them a chance.
Let's not pretend that Sony or Valve aren't capable of similar bans.

Revolutionary:
Zip

It DOES come bricked, and then you have to do a shitty online thing to make it unbricked like a good little puppy doing tricks for a little treat. In Playstation or Steam, when the console's out or the game is released (meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it. Novel concept, I know, but I digress.

FalloutJack:

Revolutionary:
Zip

It DOES come bricked, and then you have to do a shitty online thing to make it unbricked like a good little puppy doing tricks for a little treat. In Playstation or Steam, when the console's out or the game is released (meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it. Novel concept, I know, but I digress.

And with the playstation when you say "(meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it." I assume you meant to say "you play it. After you download the obligatory 300mb patch"?

FalloutJack:

Revolutionary:
Zip

It DOES come bricked, and then you have to do a shitty online thing to make it unbricked like a good little puppy doing tricks for a little treat. In Playstation or Steam, when the console's out or the game is released (meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it. Novel concept, I know, but I digress.

Dont people understand what the term "bricked" means? You cant unbrick a bricked device, the meaning of bricked is that the device is permanently unusable (AKA you might as well throw it in the trash and buy a new one).

This goes both ways, a lot of people have been claiming that their PS4s got bricked or something while most of the times all it needed was some troubleshooting.

I know this can all be semantics but when a device is actually "bricked" its kind of a big deal since it means that the owner got his money worth of nothing while having something not working properly at the moment is something that can still be fixed and much less of an issue for the owner.

Dessembrae:
Poit

Ummm...no? I'm hearing otherwise on that account.

josemlopes:
Narf

Clearly, we're expanding the definition. Besides, the joke of it is that the system IS garbage.

How is that "good guy" Microsoft? He should never have been banned to start with. Nor anyone else.

FalloutJack:

Revolutionary:
Zip

It DOES come bricked, and then you have to do a shitty online thing to make it unbricked like a good little puppy doing tricks for a little treat. In Playstation or Steam, when the console's out or the game is released (meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it. Novel concept, I know, but I digress.

condescending much?
Uh No, what I was saying that the ban that Microsoft implemented AFTER this guy installed the Day one patch which removes the corpulent DRM that everyone reviled in the post-E3 controversy was temporary. Anyway that ban that was implemented AFTER he patched and that ban was only a temporary profile ban. And please don't tell me it's unreasonable to temporarily ban people when the media hasn't even had Embargo lifted yet (at time of banning).

Also saying that games always work straight away on PS3 and PC is bollox, I have a pc, I am primarily a PC gamer, I know that that is rubbish. Sim City. I have a PS3, I know that some games just straight up don't work without 100MB patches. Also the PS4 isn't 100% functional at this point with more functionality coming at a later point, and a Day 1 patch needed for some functionality.

"Blu-ray Disc and DVD player: Users can enjoy not only gaming on their PS4 system, but also Blu-ray and DVD video contents (at first time use, users must connect to the internet to activate this feature)." - Source
(This is just one of many features that have to be patched in)

Please calm down. Can't we all just buy what we want?
I can't even pretend to care that much, I have no interest in either Next-Gen console at this point. I just want people to stop treating MS as if they're evil. I mean, they ARE, but so Is every bloody corporation. I'm just sick of the double-standards, if we continue to abuse MS even when they're trying to be good they'll just give up and be giant cock-smears all the time, and that's not good for anyone.

My final words

SourMilk:

RicoADF:
They have no right to stop you from playing your legally bought games at ANY time period.

Now only if we could make this a reality with PC games. Steam games being the prime example as to why you cannot play your brought games earlier.

What? Stop me if I'm on the wrong track, but are you honestly complaining because you PRE-ORDERED a game, and Steam lets you download it early so you don't have to wait for it to download after the launch date?

I'm sorry, but that's a right false equivalency right there. People getting their console early is a mistake made by the distributors, Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

FalloutJack:

Dessembrae:
Poit

Ummm...no? I'm hearing otherwise on that account.

Weeellll technically you don't "need" it, unless you want to use the following functions:

Remote Play (using the vita)
Second Screen (vita, android/iphone devices)
Record, take screenshots, and upload gameplay.
Broadcast and spectate gameplay
Play as you download
Multi log-in (max 4 accounts on one system)
Party (Voice chat)
Face recognition and voice commands (PS camera needed)
Background music player
Blu-ray Disc and DVD player

and of course Online Multiplayer.

so you may not "technically" need to patch the system but well...

RicoADF:

J Tyran:

They do have the legal right to deny acsess to their own servers or ban people from using their services though, if a device or game needs them and you bought it with full knowledge that it needs those services you are shit out of luck.

Hence the false comfort of people wanting to cling onto little circular pieces of plastic in the belief that they "own" the game.

I said they had no right, not that it wasn't legal for them to do, although the legal side depends on where you live as in some places it would be illegal too.

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

smithy_2045:

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

Something being legal does not mean that it's right, also where you live will determine weather it is or isn't legal. I was saying it isn't morally correct to stop people playing the games they have purchased. If you can't understand that then I'm not wasting my time.

RicoADF:

smithy_2045:

So they legally have the right to do it, but you still claim that they have no right.

Good logic.

Something being legal does not mean that it's right, also where you live will determine weather it is or isn't legal. I was saying it isn't morally correct to stop people playing the games they have purchased. If you can't understand that then I'm not wasting my time.

You said "they had no right", not that it isn't morally right. If you meant that it isn't morally right, then you should've said that it isn't morally right, not that they had no right.

Infernal Lawyer:

What? Stop me if I'm on the wrong track, but are you honestly complaining because you PRE-ORDERED a game, and Steam lets you download it early so you don't have to wait for it to download after the launch date?

I'm sorry, but that's a right false equivalency right there. People getting their console early is a mistake made by the distributors, Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

Ah, okay. For some reason or another you have to wait for some magical switch to play your game. No, I'm sorry mate, you cannot play your game that you've brought and downloaded onto your PC. Just what is the bloody point of it?

Even so, for the people who receive their physical copy earlier from Amazon, they are in the same situation. Just be another Steam fanboy if you want but don't be so high and mighty about it.

Dessembrae:

so you may not "technically" need to patch the system but well...

The point that has been made in other threads and now here is that the PS4 will function as a gaming console out of the box and the X-Bone will not. It builds onto that by examining the slippery slope in Microsoft's actions that led to this, but essentially the point was that one actually WORKS.

It was the only thing they could do. I'm not sure how praiseworthy it is to simply do the right thing in this case as they put the original ban on players in the first place. But whatever, things are right again for the early birds.

The footage from both demos looks pretty unimpressive. A generic brown MMS with nothing to sing about to be honest. Low poly models are low poly models, and frankly even an HD retexture of that map will still be generic brown MMS.

My first XB360 was banned because I played Borderlands before it's release date. Got my copy two days early, not realising that by playing it they'd flag me for banning. And there's no recourse at all, no explanation or appeal. Had to buy a new console entirely, then wait some months before I could make it my primary console for DLC and shit.

About the point someone made above about having to wait to play a game...I had that issue with DA2 on the PC. The DRM on it refused to even start the game until the official release date (I think it wouldn't decrypt the main exe file or something). Very frustrating, particularly as console owners who had it a day early could play it just fine (as my friend constantly made me aware).

Dessembrae:

And with the playstation when you say "(meaning that it is, you know, READY and complete), you play it." I assume you meant to say "you play it. After you download the obligatory 300mb patch"?

You can play PS4 games without downloading the patch.
you cant play Xbox1 games without downloading the patch.
Im sure you can spot the difference.

FalloutJack:

Clearly, we're expanding the definition.

No, we are misusing it. To the point where we got definitions of miracle and literally changed.

Infernal Lawyer:
Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

Technically you don't even need to go that far. Steam Pre-download is not a complete game. It emits some crucial files and if you crack the download files they will not work. Some games (Silent Hill: Reunion) did not do this and pirates were playing it couple weeks before its official release. So pre-download on steam isn't actually a working game till the last files are downloaded on launch day.

SourMilk:

Ah, okay. For some reason or another you have to wait for some magical switch to play your game. No, I'm sorry mate, you cannot play your game that you've brought and downloaded onto your PC. Just what is the bloody point of it?

Its not hard to crack steams DRM and get the pre-downloaded files. Thing is - you wont be able to play them. Because steam pre-download is not a complete game. they specially omit critical files to make the game unplayable. So even if you were able to play what you pre-download it wont work.

Strazdas:
The Futurological Congress

Now now, man. Words change and expand all the time. Some of their use HAS been crap, but I don't think this is a wrong use. I think that it's merely the expansion of a slang term, which is not concrete in nature.

FalloutJack:

Strazdas:
The Futurological Congress

Now now, man. Words change and expand all the time. Some of their use HAS been crap, but I don't think this is a wrong use. I think that it's merely the expansion of a slang term, which is not concrete in nature.

sort of like how person turning on the PC became a "nerd" and being able to cook eggs are "amazing chef talent". internet has bastardized the language. Yes, meanings change. They should nto change because few people dont know how to use the term and use it for almost completely opposite though.

Strazdas:
Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

SourMilk:

Infernal Lawyer:

What? Stop me if I'm on the wrong track, but are you honestly complaining because you PRE-ORDERED a game, and Steam lets you download it early so you don't have to wait for it to download after the launch date?

I'm sorry, but that's a right false equivalency right there. People getting their console early is a mistake made by the distributors, Steam letting you pre-download your games is an intentional FEATURE. Would you be happier if you had to wait until launch to download that massive 20GB game, just because the game you paid for wasn't on your computer yet? I seriously doubt it.

Ah, okay. For some reason or another you have to wait for some magical switch to play your game. No, I'm sorry mate, you cannot play your game that you've brought and downloaded onto your PC. Just what is the bloody point of it?

Even so, for the people who receive their physical copy earlier from Amazon, they are in the same situation. Just be another Steam fanboy if you want but don't be so high and mighty about it.

I'm only a Steam fanboy on Tuesdays. On weekends I call out people when they're wrong regardless of loyalties.

I already explained to you what the 'point' was. In a perfect world, everyone gets to play their game on launch day, i.e. your 'magical switch'. However, for those who choose to buy digitally (especially people like me who can barely call their plan 'broadband'), doing so means you have to wait for the game to download after launch, while everyone else gets to play their shiny new game (and for me, that can mean half a week in some cases). So when I pre order a game, being able to download a game before the launch means I'm not unfairly punished just because I decide to buy digitally.

Comparing this to someone at Amazon screwing up some paperwork is comparing apples to oranges. The simple fact that they aren't deliberately sending people their consoles before the launch date makes all the difference in the world.

Your problem seems to be that launch days are irrelevant because Steam lets you download the games before then. So you wouldn't have a problem if Valve just "sorry, you have to wait half a week to download that massive new AAA game while everyone else gets to enjoy it, #dealwithit", just because the game you bought wasn't ready to play on launch hour?

I'm sorry, call me a fanboy if you must, but you're complaining that Valve is trying to put you on par with physical games, rather than better, which is vastly different from Microsoft treating customers like criminals just because a distributor fucks up. False equivalency.

Oh right, what Stradaz said is true. Good luck trying to use use the 'totally ready to play and unfairly gated off' game that's on your computer. Even if you hacked into it, it's still useless because it's NOT actually the full game. One could even argue that they're preventing you from using it just so your computer doesn't crash. So again, Valve is just giving 99% of the game, INTENTIONALLY, to all customers.

FalloutJack:

Strazdas:
Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

Strazdas:

FalloutJack:

Strazdas:
Poit

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

But again, I don't believe that's what's happened here. I think you're letting it worry you too much. If you want to fight against the degradation of the english language, get all the internet jargon (LOL, IMO, WTF, and so on) out of my goddamn dictionary. This is hardly the battle to fight.

I don't really see a problem. They payed for an XBOX 1 on launch day. They have now received an XBOX 1 pretty much on launch day.

I don't see any moral or legal right that they had to something more then what they payed for. As in Microsoft has a legal and moral obligation to give people what they knowingly spent money for, and not any more then that.

Besides the Escapist link at least very clearly states that they only barred his internet use, so he can still use the bloody thing just not stream with it.

I mean what has he lost here? The ability to play online with people who don't exist?

FalloutJack:

Strazdas:

FalloutJack:

I'm thinking you're being a little extreme there. This isn't improper in my opinion.

When language is changed because somone fails at pronouncing it (provided that somone is US president), extreme is the only way to go about it.

But again, I don't believe that's what's happened here. I think you're letting it worry you too much. If you want to fight against the degradation of the english language, get all the internet jargon (LOL, IMO, WTF, and so on) out of my goddamn dictionary. This is hardly the battle to fight.

Bricked means that a electrical device is broken beyond ability to fix it and needs to be replaced. (it is essentialy a brick, paperweight, ect)
Bricked is used for: console oveheats. I fail to isntall patch correctly. I get banned from multiplayer. I get banned from console and need to flash it because i dared to modify a product i own[1].
The two are not the same.

Also LOL, IMO and WTF are not in any dictionary i know. They arent even words, but abbrevations. Better exampels would be Whelp and nuculer.

[1] also i shuld expect a court order because i commited a crime thats worthy of 2 years of jail, at lest in italy

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