U.K. Teen Buys $735 Photo of Xbox One on eBay

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AngloDoom:
Weird assumptions in this thread:

- It's always right if you can get away with it
- Some people genuinely value their photographs of products at hundreds of pounds
- Nobody ever makes mistakes as a teenager
- Nobody matures with age or learns from their mistakes
- Aged four, you cannot use a gaming console
- US prices are the same as UK prices (I'm not even going to point out how tragic it is that the same people who are mocking the father for not properly reading the description didn't properly read the article. Oh, whoops.)
- When you become a parent, it is totally unacceptable to buy anything that isn't solely for child-rearing purposes.

Keep classy, Escapist.

Scrumpmonkey:
I think he could make better use of his benefit money than spending $700 on a console 'for his kid' when his kid is far too young to even use it. This whole thing just screams "I'm an idiot".

Except you - your avatar is too hypnotic and oddly adorable for me to stay mad. Come here, you!

It is extremely rare when I see such wisdom and common sense in these forums. Kudos!

FLSH_BNG:
How the heck is a four year-old kid going to be able to use an XBONE?
Why would you pay twice as much for one on ebay when you could just go to your local supermarket or tech store?

I don't know about your neck of the woods but around here it will be mid March before I can find one for sale. Most local retailers had far more preorders than stock on hand, and the backlog is astronomical.

As for four year old kids, my kid is 2 and he plays "The Pooyoos" on the PS3 just fine. It's probably not that noticeable to those without kids, but these consoles actually do have content aimed at young kids, families, learning and education. It's buried, yes....but it exists. And my kid can already navigate the PS3 menu well enough to play Pooyoo as well as load netflix to watch his Barney's and Thomas the Train shows. Welcome to the next gen...they're going to own our asses on the tech side, make today's current generation look like a bunch of luddites by comparison.

Strazdas:

Proverbial Jon:
What 19 year old with a 4 year old son can afford an Xbox One? I'm 26 with no dependant family and a good job but I can't afford that sort of cash!

Its called saving up. If you got a good job and no extra expenses such as loans to pay ect you should be able to save up money for it too. If you cant you should probably take a good luck at your expenses. Either that or your good job isnt paying very good.

OK, fair enough. I could have worded my post a little more thoughtfully. I have savings yeah, I'm not that hard up. By "good" job I meant it was steady and reliable, not that it pays particularly well, which it doesn't. I could afford an Xbox One right now if I really wished but it would be waste of my saved money and could be considered an irresponsible purchase. It's not a priority and sinking that much money into a single luxury purchase is just the sort of thing I have to think twice about now I have to pay my own way.

I will admit I have been given a taste of my own medicine. Such cruel irony, it's not nice to be judged online by people who know nothing about you. Bravo my good man, you humble me.

Andy Chalk:

Peter Clatworthy, a 19-year-old from Nottingham in the U.K., thought he'd purchased an Xbox One on eBay for 450 - about $735 - for his four-year-old son. What he received, however, was a photo of an Xbox One with "Thank you for your purchase!" written on the back. He was, of course, outraged.

His four year old? Who the hell buys a console for a Four year old!?
Then again, he was dumb enough to get a girl pregnant at 15, so who knows what goes on in the box of stupidity that is his brain.

Well... I can see that people want to have an xBox One but to pay that much more for it over the internet would be something I could never do. He's lucky he got refunded his money back, otherwise the lesson would have been a far more bitter pill to swallow.

Twenty Ninjas:
Wait, a 19-year-old is a "teen" now? ...what's the legal age of majority in the UK, again?

Nine-TEEN, yes, I believe that qualifies as a teen :D

Daaaah Whoosh:
You know, I actually agree with the conman on this one. If you're willing to put down $735 on something before checking for shenanigans like this, then you deserve to be taught a lesson. Although as I didn't see the listing, perhaps it was a bit difficult to tell.

Also, is that actually how much an Xbone is going for in the UK?

What? I honestly do not understand why this world hates gullible people and loves conmen so much. For starters, the majority of people are full of themselves if they think that they're not susceptible to cons. Not all cons are obvious Nigerian princes or Pyramid schemes.

All I see are "oh he should have read the fine print"

Fuck that, nobody reads the fine print. Nobody. Also, the "fine print" is against Ebay's ToS so...invalid. Conman's "Fine Print" doesn't mean jack.

Personally, I hope that Ebay sues conman and ruins him. They won't, but THAT would be something well deserved.

Elamdri:
What? I honestly do not understand why this world hates gullible people and loves conmen so much.

Ok I'll take this one... follow my logic here.

1) Conmen prey on the gullible.

2) Conmen would therefore not exist without gullible people. (As a lot of people in this thread have pointed out, it's not JUST a case of one person stealing from another - it's the other handing over his money for a product that clearly doesn't exist. The conman isn't the only active party here.)

3) The reverse, however, is NOT true: a lot of gullible people go happily through their entire lives without actually being conned. This creates a (most likely true) perception that there are a lot more gullible people than con-artists out there.

3) It's human nature to take "sides" in a conflict. It's also a quirk of human nature that we generally root for the underdog before a fight, but the winner after it. If you look at the conflict between a con-artist and his victim, the con-artist comes out ahead in both spots.

5) You can also look at it in the sense of karmic-flaw-retribution, with "gullibility" being the flaw and the con-artist being the instrument of retribution.

6) Finally, con-artists give us an excuse to indulge our sense of schadenfreude - taking pleasure in the suffering of others. As long as it's not us being conned, we can look at the conman and his victim and say: "Ha ha ha, that person must've been so stupid to fall for that!"

Now personally I agree with you: we know almost nothing about the victim OR the conman in this case, other than the victim was conned by the conman and is angry about it; "judging" the victim for what little we DO know seems to be a pretty unsavoury exercise. I'm not excusing it, but I understand it.

Pebkio:
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Um... Yeah... I'm well aware that other counties pay more than we do. I've read that quite a bit. In fact, having watched a lot of Yahtzee, I'm fairly certain he's mentioned that at least once or twice for Australia, on top of the bullshit importing cost or the bullshit censorship practices certain countries go through. So, yes, I know that other places have it worse off. No need to label me as ignorant or entitled when you really have no way of accurately judging that based on a reactionary comment I made to an article about an individual who made (in my opinion) a not so great decision. And I make that judgment because I'm the kind of gamer who goes out of his way to find the best deals for the games and devices I play, not solely because I am thinking "har har, what an idiot."

so, please, if I may modify a quote:

"Just stop posting until you can wrap your head around the fact that not everyone on the internet is a complete dickhead and that some people might be more knowledgeable than you give credit for. Thank you."

Twenty Ninjas:
Wait, a 19-year-old is a "teen" now? ...what's the legal age of majority in the UK, again?

...and he's buying it for his four year old son? I...

...there are things about this news article. Things that are wrong, and in more than one way.

He's a Nine-what-year-old? Yes, nineTEEN is a TEEN number.

Elamdri:

Daaaah Whoosh:
You know, I actually agree with the conman on this one. If you're willing to put down $735 on something before checking for shenanigans like this, then you deserve to be taught a lesson. Although as I didn't see the listing, perhaps it was a bit difficult to tell.

Also, is that actually how much an Xbone is going for in the UK?

What? I honestly do not understand why this world hates gullible people and loves conmen so much. For starters, the majority of people are full of themselves if they think that they're not susceptible to cons. Not all cons are obvious Nigerian princes or Pyramid schemes.

All I see are "oh he should have read the fine print"

Fuck that, nobody reads the fine print. Nobody. Also, the "fine print" is against Ebay's ToS so...invalid. Conman's "Fine Print" doesn't mean jack.

Personally, I hope that Ebay sues conman and ruins him. They won't, but THAT would be something well deserved.

The Customer actually admitted that he SAW that it said it was just a photograph. He read "This is just a photograph," and reacted "Oh boy, it's the actual system!" No, this is 100% on him. It's a damn miracle he doesn't read "Poisonous, do not drink" on his laundry detergent and see "Yummy Gatorade" with his magic idiot eyes.

Bluestorm83:

Elamdri:

Daaaah Whoosh:
You know, I actually agree with the conman on this one. If you're willing to put down $735 on something before checking for shenanigans like this, then you deserve to be taught a lesson. Although as I didn't see the listing, perhaps it was a bit difficult to tell.

Also, is that actually how much an Xbone is going for in the UK?

What? I honestly do not understand why this world hates gullible people and loves conmen so much. For starters, the majority of people are full of themselves if they think that they're not susceptible to cons. Not all cons are obvious Nigerian princes or Pyramid schemes.

All I see are "oh he should have read the fine print"

Fuck that, nobody reads the fine print. Nobody. Also, the "fine print" is against Ebay's ToS so...invalid. Conman's "Fine Print" doesn't mean jack.

Personally, I hope that Ebay sues conman and ruins him. They won't, but THAT would be something well deserved.

The Customer actually admitted that he SAW that it said it was just a photograph. He read "This is just a photograph," and reacted "Oh boy, it's the actual system!" No, this is 100% on him. It's a damn miracle he doesn't read "Poisonous, do not drink" on his laundry detergent and see "Yummy Gatorade" with his magic idiot eyes.

He also read that it wasn't in the photograph section of the site, meaning that it was also saying "this is not a photograph." Maybe it you should spend a little bit more time ranting about the conman for lying rather than a guy getting his money back after being conned. I do find it ironic that everybody keeps go on about different little tidbits about this while ignoring other ones when it suits them so that they can insult this guy.

Aaah, and the supposedly liberal people of The Escapist shows their true colours. A story like this pops up and suddenly everyone is a social conservative who knows best not only when you're allowed to become sexually active, but also how to care for a child. And yes, clearly the guy DESERVES to be ripped off if he misread an item description in eBay. That's only fair, right? Social Darwinism and blaaah blaaah, Ron Paul 2012. *bleating sounds*

Faux-liberalism is an ugly, ugly thing indeed...

Revnak:

Bluestorm83:

Elamdri:

What? I honestly do not understand why this world hates gullible people and loves conmen so much. For starters, the majority of people are full of themselves if they think that they're not susceptible to cons. Not all cons are obvious Nigerian princes or Pyramid schemes.

All I see are "oh he should have read the fine print"

Fuck that, nobody reads the fine print. Nobody. Also, the "fine print" is against Ebay's ToS so...invalid. Conman's "Fine Print" doesn't mean jack.

Personally, I hope that Ebay sues conman and ruins him. They won't, but THAT would be something well deserved.

The Customer actually admitted that he SAW that it said it was just a photograph. He read "This is just a photograph," and reacted "Oh boy, it's the actual system!" No, this is 100% on him. It's a damn miracle he doesn't read "Poisonous, do not drink" on his laundry detergent and see "Yummy Gatorade" with his magic idiot eyes.

He also read that it wasn't in the photograph section of the site, meaning that it was also saying "this is not a photograph." Maybe it you should spend a little bit more time ranting about the conman for lying rather than a guy getting his money back after being conned. I do find it ironic that everybody keeps go on about different little tidbits about this while ignoring other ones when it suits them so that they can insult this guy.

But he DIDN'T lie. If I go to Dunkin Donuts, and buy an Iced Coffee, I can't whine that I didn't get the donut I wanted. "Bu bu bu bu but, I bought it in Dunkin Donuts!" Yes, but it was advertised and sold and shown to you as a GD Iced Coffee. If you unwrap a snickers, and it is CLEARLY a dog shit inside, you don't go, "Welp, this was in a snickers wrapper, I'll ignore the way that it looks and smells and tastes like a dog shit." Human Beings are the lords of the Animal Kingdom, not because we're faster and stronger, but because we're SMARTER. It's time that the current generation takes up its mantle and behaves like it.

Bluestorm83:

Human Beings are the lords of the Animal Kingdom, not because we're faster and stronger, but because we're SMARTER. It's time that the current generation takes up its mantle and behaves like it.

And with this little gem I'm out. Best to leave the argument before people begin declaring the fourth Reich.

He's definitely an idiot, but the seller totally scammed him. He does deserve the eBay refund. God only knows why Microsoft gave him an Xbox. There are literally thousands of people who are more deserving, probably just for the free exposure.

Edit: This was a long post, I moved it to the more recent topic on the same story.

Edit: This was a long post, I moved it to the more recent topics.

Frost27:
I noticed and immediately called BS on the old "it's for my kid" line. That is probably the tear jerker hook he used thinking it would increase ebay's chances of paying him back.

You've got a good point there, why the hell would you get a 4 year old an Xbox!? I'd understand letting him play one of those touch pad devices, i've even seen 4 year olds use a DS, but an Xbox!

Revnak:

Bluestorm83:

Human Beings are the lords of the Animal Kingdom, not because we're faster and stronger, but because we're SMARTER. It's time that the current generation takes up its mantle and behaves like it.

And with this little gem I'm out. Best to leave the argument before people begin declaring the fourth Reich.

Yep, that's what we do. We simultaneously make it so the most idiotic among us get a free ride, and then compare someone who expects people to live up to their potential to a genocidal ideal. Nice of you.

Unrelated note, love your Felix Walken avatar.

what the hell is a 4 year lold going to do with an xbone?

Caiphus:

Nasrin:

No, I do not believe that I misused the phrase. In legal practice it is commonly known that being unaware of the law does not excuse you from being liable for it. I think I said that adequately.

Exactly. Which was not totally relevant to the rest of your first post, unless I'm reading it totally wrong:

If it was clearly printed in the description then that's on you

"I still thought I would be getting an Xbox One, despite the description" is not ignorance of the law. That is ignorance of the facts or of the situation. Which may or may not be relevant depending on the consumer rights laws of your country. I would imagine most countries have an objective test to be decided by the court as to whether conduct was deceptive or misleading.

Ignorance of the law would be the buyer saying "I thought that I would be protected against all misconceptions on my part. Therefore I should be."

In America people are held to written contractual obligations that are made apparent, eg no fine print, no weird language. Unless he's claiming there was fraud, which will be difficult considering the product exactly matches its explicit description, this guy has no real argument. Thus, he is lucky the company was being nice and gave him his money back. He's an idiot.

I still have no idea what it is that you're confused about with regard to my comment. He does seem to be claiming that he should not be liable for payment, which is an erroneous understanding of his legal rights.

Nasrin:

In America people are held to written contractual obligations that are made apparent, eg no fine print, no weird language. Unless he's claiming there was fraud, which will be difficult considering the product exactly matches its explicit description, this guy has no real argument. Thus, he is lucky the company was being nice and gave him his money back. He's an idiot.

I still have no idea what it is that you're confused about with regard to my comment.

Pay no attention to my post then. It was late, and I probably assumed that we were talking about the actual listing, rather than a hypothetical perfectly clear listing.

In any case, the actual listing wasn't apparent:

"Xbox One Fifa 14 Day One Edition, Photo Brand New UK 2013", while also posted in the wrong section. I can't imagine any court, even in the US, would uphold that contract.

So that's probably what confused me.

Edit: Oh, and he allegedly emailed the seller, who told him it was a console. But only one news site reported that, so it could be false.

Everyone's so quick to blame the seller, and calling him a scammer.

the ebay listing was in the newspaper and it clearly stated about 4 or 5 times that it was a photo of an xbox one, someone even messaged the seller asking if if was a re xbox or just a photo and he answered that it was indeed a photo.

That was visible at the edits part at the bottom of the page, so no, he wasn't scamming, he only put the listing on to take the piss.

it was purely the buyers fault for not reading the damned listing, it's out of order that the seller had to give him his money back }:-(

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