Judge Refuses To Dismiss League of Legends Terrorist Threat Case

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Judge Refuses To Dismiss League of Legends Terrorist Threat Case

Justin Carter

A judge has ruled that the case against Justin Carter, the League of Legends player arrested for making "terroristic threats," will proceed.

It won't be a very happy holiday for Justin Carter, the League of Legends player who was arrested in February for making "terroristic threats" on Facebook following a match. His lawyer had filed a motion to dismiss but yesterday a judge denied the motion, meaning that the case against him will proceed.

Carter's troubles began during an online altercation with another LoL player who had called him crazy after a match. "I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still-beating hearts," he said, followed by "lol" and "jk," neither of which were enough to save him when the authorities were made aware of the message. He was jailed on March 27 and remained so until July, when an anonymous $500,000 donation allowed him to be freed on bail.

Despite the setback, hope remains; Carter's lawyer, Don Flanary, told Kotaku in July that even if the court in Comal County, Texas refuses to dismiss the case, there are "many other avenues to take it up on appeal." Even so, it has to be a crushing disappointment, as the teen is facing up to eight years in prison if convicted.

Carter's next court date has not been set.

Source: KENS5.com

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On the one hand, being prosecuted for a comment made on an online game is ridiculous. On the other...those comments go beyond tasteless, and just adding "jk, lol" to the end of something that could be perceived easily as a threat doesn't make it not a threat.

I'm slightly siding with the teen, but only because jail time seems excessive. It's not because the teen is totally in the right, because he's not.

Idiots making 'edgy' jokes for the sake of it can go fuck themselves... but no way in hell should he be convicted.

Edit: Oh, wait, he was actually being called crazy, and this was his sarcastic response? People are now being sent to jail for sarcasm?

I agree with the posts made above - the dude is an asshole. He deserves a punch in the face at most, but 8 years in prison is ludicrous. He will die in there, if not lose his sanity in solitary.

Raiyan 1.0:
Idiots making 'edgy' jokes for the sake of it can go fuck themselves... but no way in hell should he be convicted.

Agreed. I am glad that he's getting a lesson in manners, but this is just too much.

I couldn't, frankly, care less about this player, as he was being a horrible human being. However, the precedent that this sets for freedom of speech is atrocious.

Of course, freedom of speech should not protect one who threatens the safety of others, but that gray area of "what constitutes safety" has been tread throughout history.

I, for one, do not want to be prosecuted under the same sort of witch-hunt mindsets that prevailed during the McCarthy Era, for example. At worst, the kid should have gotten community service. At this point, I think a settlement for "time served" is more than fair.

Conversely, does this mean that all forms of trash-talking can be prosecuted? If so, all those NBA/NFL/NHL players had better watch out!

thebobmaster:
On the one hand, being prosecuted for a comment made on an online game is ridiculous. On the other...those comments go beyond tasteless, and just adding "jk, lol" to the end of something that could be perceived easily as a threat doesn't make it not a threat.

I'm slightly siding with the teen, but only because jail time seems excessive. It's not because the teen is totally in the right, because he's not.

I'm going to disagree with you. Once you bring up "eating their still-beating hearts" you're clearly Crossing The Line Twice; the assertion is obviously ridiculous and you sound like a movie villain. That's the joke. This is and always will be a case of some asshole in a position of power trying to make an example of an innocent kid who did nothing - absolutely nothing - wrong. Comedy is not a crime.

Oh look, a District Attorney who cares more about their career than prosecuting actual criminals. Go figure.

Serves that little shit right. Tasteless jokes in private are one thing, tasteless jokes on a platform that is known for ruining lifes is just stupid.

I don't feel that the internet could or should be a place that anyone can say anything without consequence, and with that said, I don't feel that this act should go without consequence. A jail sentence that long is a bit excessive, but SOMETHING should happen, and an example should be made.

Why? Because how else are we going to be able to tell the people who are serious from the people who are "jk". School shootings are happening at an increasing number. This is a new reality. If someone makes a threat like this, we need to be able to respond to it and make sure that another tally isn't added to the list.

So... don't say stupid shit to get attention on the internet. You're not funny. You're not "Cool". You're a fucking asshole who deserves to be punished.

Nocturnus:

Why? Because how else are we going to be able to tell the people who are serious from the people who are "jk".

Any fool could tell that on this occasion.

I'm ashamed to live on the same planet as the people who still support the US "Justice" system.

I'm still a bit conflicted on this kind of thing.

On one hand, it seems pretty clear that it wasn't a legit threat and a kid just posting stupid things online because...well...that's what they do.

On the other hand, what happens when someone threats like this and carries it through? Now all of a sudden "WE DID NOTHING!!!" cries are shouted at the travesty that no one stepped in.

Damned if you do, damned it you don't.

thebobmaster:
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Chaosritter:
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Nocturnus:
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Seriously?

This is the BIGGEST joke of a trial that i have heard of in a long time. All the people saying he is a horrible person, and deserves some punishment are suffering some serious delusions of grandeur and a hardcore superiority complex.

I challenge every single person with this mindset to look back through their lives and tell me unequivocally that they have NEVER made a SINGLE offensive or tasteless comment in their whole lives. And i will no doubt call you a liar. One bad taste joke doesn't make you a horrible or shit person.

I know i've uttered plenty of tasteless jokes in my life, as have every single person i know, including my mother. In public, in private, doesn't matter one iota. None of us deserve 8 years in prison.

"I'm going to shoot up a school and eat their still beating hearts" is obviously bad taste humor, no doubt, but i've said and heard worse.

To constitute a threat he really needs to have gone into some realistic detail about how/when/where this "school shooting" was going to happen, not some fantastical supervillain comment that he made for the lols.

Some uppity cunt saw the post on his facebook and called the police. Who should have told her to fuck right off immediately, but the fear in Americans in strong in this day and age. When the overwhelming fear of the public starts making the general mindset that paranoid, you really need to step back and take a look at yourselves.

This angers me beyond belief, moreso that the general public seem to not give a shit than the fact he was arrested in the first place.

And people who are saying he's getting what he deserved, or that it's "just a little harsh" i seriously hope you make an off the wall comment one day and get put through what this poor kid is going through, so you can cry about the injustice. I'll come visit you in prison with your comments you made here.

Finally, No , he doesn't even deserve to be punched in the face. He deserves to be compensated for this bullshit, released and have all records of this expunged.

Welcome to new police-state USA. Fight it now or enjoy it for a long long time to come.

ps. may not make much sense. christmas ranting for the win.

Good. Throw the little shit in prison, or rather, a damn padded cell. I mean, I'm all for freedom of speech and the GIFT, but still, saying shit like that deserves punishment. 8 years is harsh, but maybe next time he won't try to seem edgy and cool.
As for the aforementioned "crossing the line twice" and "refuge in audacity" excuses, that works in fiction, and even then, only to a point. And this is the kind of crazy shit that actually happens.

Funny thing is, all these people crying about how he should be left alone would be doing the exact opposite, (I.E. "Why didn't they lock him up, he even said he was, who's stupid enough to ignore that on just a "jk, lol.") if he actually did go shoot up a school.

WWmelb:
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Yeah, you've made tasteless jokes (IN PRIVATE) and we've all said stupid things. But look at the context. We didn't say: "I'm going to blow up a building." directly after 9/11. If you don't think you should be arrested for this shit, go to a cop and tell him your going to shoot him in the face, then tell him you were "just kidding." Enjoy the tazeing.
Now, that being said, yes, 8 years is fucking stupid. But he deserves some fucking jail time, or at least a damn bug house, up to 3 months though.

The only merit to what you have to say is now this is going to make him a real criminal. But that's a different argument all together.

WWmelb:
"I'm going to shoot up a school and eat their still beating hearts" is obviously bad taste humor, no doubt, but i've said and heard worse.

Actually, that's more something a deranged psychopath would say.

Seriously, there's been a lot of school shootings lately. Subject is touchy, people are sensitive and he could have seen that coming. It's like tossing a harmless bagpack into a crowd while yelling "ALLAHU AKBAR" and complaining that people don't just shrug it off.

I'm really cool with the way this goes, make an example out of him. And while I definitely have a pretty twisted sense of humor, I'm well aware that announcing a killing spree in public for shit and giggles is neither funny nor very bright.

I can't believe the people that support this kid getting jail time for mouthing off after a LoL game. I love this paranoid country we live in where opening your mouth means going to jail.
Of course, I am not too surprised, most of the people on The Escapist are known for having no understanding or compassion at all.

Doomsdaylee:
Good. Throw the little shit in prison. I mean, I'm all for freedom of speech and the GIFT, but still, saying shit like that deserves punishment. 8 years is a bit harsh, but maybe next time he won't try to seem edgy and cool.
As for the aforementioned "crossing the line twice" and "refuge in audacity" excuses, that works in fiction, and even then, only to a point. And this is the kind of crazy shit that actually happens.

Funny thing is, all these people crying about how he should be left alone would be doing the exact opposite, (I.E. "Why didn't they lock him up, he even said he was, who's stupid enough to ignore that on just a "jk, lol.") if he actually did go shoot up a school.

yup, that's a totally justified response. we should definitely punish people disproportionately to set an example. because that works so well with things like the death penalty.

this whole scenario has taught the kid a lesson, he was fucking stupid and this has probably scared him shitless, and i'd support community sentencing and fines, but this doesn't warrant a jail sentence in the slightest

Doomsdaylee:
Good. Throw the little shit in prison. I mean, I'm all for freedom of speech and the GIFT, but still, saying shit like that deserves punishment. 8 years is a bit harsh, but maybe next time he won't try to seem edgy and cool.
As for the aforementioned "crossing the line twice" and "refuge in audacity" excuses, that works in fiction, and even then, only to a point. And this is the kind of crazy shit that actually happens.

Funny thing is, all these people crying about how he should be left alone would be doing the exact opposite, (I.E. "Why didn't they lock him up, he even said he was, who's stupid enough to ignore that on just a "jk, lol.") if he actually did go shoot up a school.

Wait.
Wait.
Wait.

Wait.
"Only works in fiction?"
Ok, so if I were to post here that "I plan to steal 3 semi trucks, load them with barrels of gasoline, and then duct tape them together so I can drive them all at once and ramp them off that dirt pile from the construction in front of the office so I can slam them into the third floor window and kill that douchebag Bob from accounting"

That would constitute a completely legitimate terroristic threat. Really? Really.

Also, wow! Surprise and alarm! If he did something horrible and illegal people would want him to be in JAIL. Good heavens. You should be in POLITICS.

I'll say if he didn't want any chance to be construed as being serious he should have taken the absurdity further, but that is very much a thing. And given that other than a bad attempt at a dark humor joke, he hasn't actually so far done anything illegal, then yes, people are fairly justified to point out that the threat of jail time for most of a decade is rather absurd.

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:
I can't believe the people that support this kid getting jail time for mouthing off after a LoL game. I love this paranoid country we live in where opening your mouth means going to jail.
Of course, I am not too surprised, most of the people on The Escapist are known for having no understanding or common sense at all.

Fixed that for ya. And thanks for demonstrating it.

You think a simple lapse of common sense is deserving of 8 years of jail time? This sensitive society has a knee jerk reaction to everything nowadays.

Areloch:

Doomsdaylee:
Good. Throw the little shit in prison. I mean, I'm all for freedom of speech and the GIFT, but still, saying shit like that deserves punishment. 8 years is a bit harsh, but maybe next time he won't try to seem edgy and cool.
As for the aforementioned "crossing the line twice" and "refuge in audacity" excuses, that works in fiction, and even then, only to a point. And this is the kind of crazy shit that actually happens.

Funny thing is, all these people crying about how he should be left alone would be doing the exact opposite, (I.E. "Why didn't they lock him up, he even said he was, who's stupid enough to ignore that on just a "jk, lol.") if he actually did go shoot up a school.

Wait.
Wait.
Wait.

Wait.
"Only works in fiction?"
Ok, so if I were to post here that "I plan to steal 3 semi trucks, load them with barrels of gasoline, and then duct tape them together so I can drive them all at once and ramp them off that dirt pile from the construction in front of the office so I can slam them into the third floor window and kill that douchebag Bob from accounting"

That would constitute a completely legitimate terroristic threat. Really? Really.

Also, wow! Surprise and alarm! If he did something horrible and illegal people would want him to be in JAIL. Good heavens. You should be in POLITICS.

I'll say if he didn't want any chance to be construed as being serious he should have taken the absurdity further, but that is very much a thing. And given that other than a bad attempt at a dark humor joke, he hasn't actually so far done anything illegal, then yes, people are fairly justified to point out that the threat of jail time for most of a decade is rather absurd.

Fair point, I should've clarified. You're right.
I meant it only works in fiction on that level. I.E. You can show South Park brutally killing a man, and be fine, as opposed to just showing it on the news.
You're absolutely right in that things that are obviously impossible is fine. Like I said, I should've clarified more.

To fix my previous example. It's like telling a cop your going to shoot them, vs telling a cop you're going to force evolution to give you laser eyes so you can make his head asplode. Two ENTIRELY different things.

Clive Howlitzer:

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:
I can't believe the people that support this kid getting jail time for mouthing off after a LoL game. I love this paranoid country we live in where opening your mouth means going to jail.
Of course, I am not too surprised, most of the people on The Escapist are known for having no understanding or common sense at all.

Fixed that for ya. And thanks for demonstrating it.

You think a simple lapse of common sense is deserving of 8 years of jail time? This sensitive society has a knee jerk reaction to everything nowadays.

Says the person who doesn't read any further than directly under his nose. I think it's deserving of 3 months, tops.

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:

Doomsdaylee:

Fixed that for ya. And thanks for demonstrating it.

You think a simple lapse of common sense is deserving of 8 years of jail time? This sensitive society has a knee jerk reaction to everything nowadays.

Says the person who doesn't read any further than directly under his nose. I think it's deserving of 3 months, tops.

I think context is an important thing here, something that a lot of people are missing.

Clive Howlitzer:

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:

You think a simple lapse of common sense is deserving of 8 years of jail time? This sensitive society has a knee jerk reaction to everything nowadays.

Says the person who doesn't read any further than directly under his nose. I think it's deserving of 3 months, tops.

I think context is an important thing here, something that a lot of people are missing.

Again, as I said above, the context is that he made a "joke" about shooting up a school, maybe 2 months after a major school shooting. It's not a bright thing to do, and warrants a response, absolutely. Is 8 yes WAY to much? Yes. Should he get off scot free? HELL no.

Clive Howlitzer:
I can't believe the people that support this kid getting jail time for mouthing off after a LoL game. I love this paranoid country we live in where opening your mouth means going to jail.
Of course, I am not too surprised, most of the people on The Escapist are known for having no understanding or compassion at all.

I'm not even affected by this, but I still want him to get punished.

Also, there's a difference between compassion and sympathy for imbeciles. This is neither political nor a system of repression. He did something very stupid and now he will face the consequences. I really prefer this system to the local one (Germany) where you can bash someones head in for shit and giggles and get probation.

Doomsdaylee:

[snop]

Yeah, in an example like that it would definitely be handled differently. (Also, thanks for being reasonable in your secondary response. I wasn't anticipating that, haha.)
Like I said, if he wanted it so it couldn't be mis-interpreted, it should have been completely absurd and in theory someone unhinged enough might kill schoolkids and eat their hearts.

That said, that's still vague and absurd enough lots of people would look at it and just shake their head at the stupid joke and move on.
But that sort of humor is very fuzzy on where that second line is. And missing it can be pretty bad.

Like others have pointed out, if he doesn't in any way give the impression of actually going through with his supposed plot, we should be talking about community service, or maybe some kind of online manners/behavior course to explain to him why that was a stupid thing to do.
8 years in the clink is actually more likely to make the kid want to shoot up a school. Which seems sliiiightly counter-intuitive.

'Making an example' out of people pretty much never works.

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:

Doomsdaylee:

Says the person who doesn't read any further than directly under his nose. I think it's deserving of 3 months, tops.

I think context is an important thing here, something that a lot of people are missing.

Again, as I said above, the context is that he made a "joke" about shooting up a school, maybe 2 months after a major school shooting. It's not a bright thing to do, and warrants a response, absolutely. Is 8 yes WAY to much? Yes. Should he get off scot free? HELL no.

I guess that is where we have different mindsets. I don't think there is ever such a thing as "too soon" for making a joke. It might be tasteless but it isn't deserving of a jail time. Politicians make regular use of tragedies as a way to knee jerk ban things and as a society, we become amazingly paranoid. You might as well just jail everyone.

Areloch:

Doomsdaylee:

[snop]

Yeah, in an example like that it would definitely be handled differently. (Also, thanks for being reasonable in your secondary response. I wasn't anticipating that, haha.)
Like I said, if he wanted it so it couldn't be mis-interpreted, it should have been completely absurd and in theory someone unhinged enough might kill schoolkids and eat their hearts.

That said, that's still vague and absurd enough lots of people would look at it and just shake their head at the stupid joke and move on.
But that sort of humor is very fuzzy on where that second line is. And missing it can be pretty bad.

Like others have pointed out, if he doesn't in any way give the impression of actually going through with his supposed plot, we should be talking about community service, or maybe some kind of online manners/behavior course to explain to him why that was a stupid thing to do.
8 years in the clink is actually more likely to make the kid want to shoot up a school. Which seems sliiiightly counter-intuitive.

'Making an example' out of people pretty much never works.

It's fine. I don't see why we can't have discussions like intelligent people lol. I disagree, so I have to be an ass? No.
Anywways, I think we can agree on a few key points.

He screwed up and made his "over the top humor" way to under the top.
He deserves to be punished (SOMEHOW).
8 years in a full on prison is retarded.
This is just going to make matters worse, and
Donuts are phenomenal.

Just want to let you folks know that don't seem to understand, "up to 8 years" is the maximum of the sentence which he hasn't been convicted of yet. Therefore and its very likely that, if convicted, he would get a lesser sentence. Most this kid will probably get is a slap on the wrist and a bunch of legal fees to pay, all in learning a lesson on how not to be a douchebag, and that threats are serious bzns not a joke.

Chaosritter:
Serves that little shit right. Tasteless jokes in private are one thing, tasteless jokes on a platform that is known for ruining lifes is just stupid.

Some of ya'll seem to forget he was getting harassed first. Not to mention, wasn't it a family member of the person who initially harassed him that kickstarted this legal issue?

I agree he said something stupid, but who here can say they've never said something mean or stupid when someone was bothering us. "Severs that little shit right" is just as stupid and mean. Hes just a kid who made a mistake.

I thought that's why we have that "freedom of speech" thing, so that our government can't police what we say. I guess the constitution doesn't mean much anymore.

Clive Howlitzer:

Doomsdaylee:

Clive Howlitzer:

I think context is an important thing here, something that a lot of people are missing.

Again, as I said above, the context is that he made a "joke" about shooting up a school, maybe 2 months after a major school shooting. It's not a bright thing to do, and warrants a response, absolutely. Is 8 yes WAY to much? Yes. Should he get off scot free? HELL no.

I guess that is where we have different mindsets. I don't think there is ever such a thing as "too soon" for making a joke. It might be tasteless but it isn't deserving of a jail time. Politicians make regular use of tragedies as a way to knee jerk ban things and as a society, we become amazingly paranoid. You might as well just jail everyone.

There's "to soon to make a joke" (I.E. Making a joke about Paul Walker in Fast and Furious), and theres "Cops are still on the look out." (I.e. Murder happens in my neighborhood, and I say "I'm on to the next one!")

Doomsdaylee:

WWmelb:
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Yeah, you've made tasteless jokes (IN PRIVATE) and we've all said stupid things. But look at the context. We didn't say: "I'm going to blow up a building." directly after 9/11. If you don't think you should be arrested for this shit, go to a cop and tell him your going to shoot him in the face, then tell him you were "just kidding." Enjoy the tazeing.
Now, that being said, yes, 8 years is fucking stupid. But he deserves some fucking jail time, or at least a damn bug house, up to 3 months though.

The only merit to what you have to say is now this is going to make him a real criminal. But that's a different argument all together.

Big fucking difference. Directly threatening a specific individual to their face is very different to a tasteless all encompassing comment on facebook.

I disagree he deserves ANY jail time for this. As for public... well, i don't use facebook, but aren't your comments on your facebook page pretty much private? I don't really know, serious question there.

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