Square Enix Modifies Revealing Bravely Default Costumes for the West

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Square Enix Modifies Revealing Bravely Default Costumes for the West

Screenshot comparison of the European version of Bravely Default to the Japanese version shows added clothing to the characters.

Square Enix has toned down the costumes in RPG Bravely Default and changed the ages of characters to make the game's content more tasteful. The changes do not affect story or content beyond the surface level.

A poster to the IGN forums posted screenshots of character designs from both the Japanese and European versions. Shown on the left are the European versions while the Japanese counterparts are on the right, revealing Square Enix made less revealing versions of the costumes. However, changes appear to be minimal. One character's bikini-style bottom has been lengthened to cover more skin, and another clad in belts has less of her midriff appearing. Some characters' ages have also been changed from 15 to 18, 16 to 19, and 17 to 20.

This is not the first time a game's mature content has been modified for a 3DS game. In the DLC mission "Summer Scramble" of Fire Emblem: Awakening, a screen of a female character depicted her about to remove the bottom of her swimsuit. In the North American version, this was obscured by a cloth.

Bravely Default launches in North America on Feb. 7. While these images are of the already-released European version, the same edited costumes will likely be present in North America for the rated T for Teen title. In Japan, Bravely Default had a rating of Cero C, or 15 years old and up.

Source: IGN forums via IGN

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Western markets have slightly less tolerance for Lolicon stuff than japan.

I Have the game and I have zero problem with this. Personally I think the European outfits are a little too revealing as it is and if anything they should have gone further in de-sexualising the female costumes...

Once in a while it would be nice to play a game with female costumes that look like they weren't designed with a catwalk (or for that matter a street corner) in mind

They look like they have more common sense with more clothing. I prefer the more covered up version immensely.

Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

That's fine with me. The top right one is fairly disturbing on an SD model.

I guess the opposite question to ask is: Why didn't the original designers think about how practical, chibi-sized armor could actually look awesome? I mean, yeah, the general shape would likely be some plate armor melded with a Victorian dress, but that may look sexier and more appealing than some outfit that reveals a lot of skin.

Magenera:
Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

I don't think you know what "censored" means... this wasn't imposed on them, they did it of their own free will. They probably consider it on par with localization. If you want your games localized to Japan, learn Japanese and get the Japan region games.

Funny how this is only getting in the news now when it was already a hot topic debate in 4chan the very second this happened. Say what you will about the "Imageboard that must not be named" but news spread fast there.

On-topic: Censorship is horrible, and even if the company that made the game is doing it out of their own free will, it's still horrible. I was sort of interested in this, but I guess I will just skip it.

Azuaron:

Magenera:
Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

I don't think you know what "censored" means... this wasn't imposed on them, they did it of their own free will. They probably consider it on par with localization. If you want your games localized to Japan, learn Japanese and get the Japan region games.

Yeah which is why, Nintendo of America and Square shit a brick when they got all those complaints wondering if the version in the US would be the same as Europe or maintain it's original content. Because both groups was pretty much telling all those who voice their complaints it wasn't us. Sillconera ended up finding the localization team, to which I told them, that I was a future buyer of the game, but was concerned when I found out that the EU version was censored. Someone on 4chan showed a got emails from both groups saying they weren't responsible for it.

Although my memory is a bit fuzzy now that I think about that Nintendo of America was stating that there won't be any changes because of the complaints. I'll just continue on emailing my complaints just to make sure that unaltered version is the one that reaches Americans shores.

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Funny thing is.. this is only an issue in the US of A...

Heck the entire Sexism in video games debate is entirely made in US of A

No one here in europe and ofcourse not over in japan gives a dolt about this discussion.

To bad i like western games more then i do asian ones... kept for the random Atlus title that actually makes it out of alkatra... i mean japan.

Oh well... first its the chibis then the normal game chars. Such is the way of the video game industry reacting to social justice warriors

Oh god...

They gave women extra clothes so they aren't in straps and bikinis fighting alongside men in full platemail and people are losing their shit.

Yay incoming sexism debate and pure stupid.

Edit: I say "women" in the broadest sense, since the chibi models look like children.

Oh noes, the loli fan service game is going to give you as much loli fan service as you wanted. What is the world coming to?

So they changed it because they didnt want the social justice warriors crying at them.

As far as reasons go I can accept that they dont want to listen to their whining and bitching.

2xDouble:
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I'm going to go with... B)

If publishers start censoring their games just to appeal to the knee-jerk reactions of those 'durned social justice warriors, where does it end? Next thing you know, those totally-legal-age characters will be wearing actual clothing!

You know...

There's a lot of room for discussion here. Are the Japanese perverts? Is the Western civilization filled with prudes? Does this harm the original game? Are they right to change the ages because putting teens is revealing clothing is creepy (even though we see it daily within our own society)? Or is it all irrelevant because it is just a game?

But the one point I keep coming back to, is this: what's the fucking point if your graphics look like *that*. I mean, I like JRPGs (to a point) and I've heard some good things about this game, but between the capabilities of the 3DS and the style they went for with this game... you couldn't make this explicit even if you had full frontal nudity.

Do they even have noses? I can't say for sure because of the small resolution, but it looks as if the characters don't even have a nose.

Wasn't particularly interested in this game anyway. But this is nothing new. The Elin from Tera received a similar treatment around 6 months before the Western launch. It caused a huge war on their forums for weeks. Personally, I agree some things should be modified. Having any character run around in knickers while appearing to be under-age is just fucking creepy, digital or not. (One of the common arguments I hear is; "but it's not like they are real!" Like that somehow absolves all responsibility to uphold morals and sense.)

Magenera:

Azuaron:

Magenera:
Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

I don't think you know what "censored" means... this wasn't imposed on them, they did it of their own free will. They probably consider it on par with localization. If you want your games localized to Japan, learn Japanese and get the Japan region games.

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You're missing my point. Censorship doesn't mean, "The game's creators changed a thing and now I don't like it." Censorship means an exterior party with legal authority deletes or changes something. For instance, the Australian government censors games all the damn time. If the US government or the EU stepped up and said, "You can't release the game unless that girl's thong gets wider," that would be censorship.

But if the publisher (it's almost certainly the publisher in this case) localizes something for a region with no governmental or legal pressure, that's called knowing your target market (at least, believing you do).

AldUK:
Wasn't particularly interested in this game anyway. But this is nothing new. The Elin from Tera received a similar treatment around 6 months before the Western launch. It caused a huge war on their forums for weeks. Personally, I agree some things should be modified. Having any character run around in knickers while appearing to be under-age is just fucking creepy, digital or not. (One of the common arguments I hear is; "but it's not like they are real!" Like that somehow absolves all responsibility to uphold morals and sense.)

One of the specific arguments for treating explicit/sexy loli-con art the same as actual real photographs is the idea that a pedophile could use such art to convince children what their doing is a-ok.

'Look, their doing it in the cartoon sweetie, its totally ok!'

Anyways, on topic, I must admit I love the bottom left outfit more than the right one. The top two are both pretty meh, though I will give the left one a slight thumbs up for effort.

Honestly, this isn't going to impact the story in any way, shape or form, and that these feels a little like a submission to repair her armour.

I'm fine with this, not a fan of adolescent-like underage animated characters in skimpy bikini-like clothing, especially in a portable title. Even an older woman can take a serious moment in an animation and completely destroy it with "fanservice".

I don't mind T&A, but there's a thing as eyerollingly too much and too far, so I'm okay with this.

Azuaron:

Magenera:

Azuaron:

I don't think you know what "censored" means... this wasn't imposed on them, they did it of their own free will. They probably consider it on par with localization. If you want your games localized to Japan, learn Japanese and get the Japan region games.

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You're missing my point. Censorship doesn't mean, "The game's creators changed a thing and now I don't like it." Censorship means an exterior party with legal authority deletes or changes something. For instance, the Australian government censors games all the damn time. If the US government or the EU stepped up and said, "You can't release the game unless that girl's thong gets wider," that would be censorship.

But if the publisher (it's almost certainly the publisher in this case) localizes something for a region with no governmental or legal pressure, that's called knowing your target market (at least, believing you do).

Censor: a person who examines books, movies, letters, etc., and removes things that are considered to be offensive, immoral, harmful to society, etc.

Changed the age of the characters, altered several suits, omitted dialogue in a quest that had rape. Sounds like censorship to me.

It was a localization team that wasn't headed by Square Enix, nor Ninteno that made the changes.

Already seen what happens when companies censored shit because they deemed it harmful, or offensive. Mugen Souls didn't have the loli bath scenes, so their target Audience didn't buy their game. Joint flopped, and as I said based on the complaints Nintendo and Square was getting when it came to be known, it might remain unaltered as the rest of the gaming news seemed to have gotten this information late.

Dr.Awkward:
I guess the opposite question to ask is: Why didn't the original designers think about how practical, chibi-sized armor could actually look awesome? I mean, yeah, the general shape would likely be some plate armor melded with a Victorian dress, but that may look sexier and more appealing than some outfit that reveals a lot of skin.

this could only piss me off if the men were some kind of uber sexed but this is fine.

they could have skimped the men up that would have been different lol. though to be honest there chibi as hell but yeah this will make me happy when I buy the game.

Cha cha cha cha changes,

Leaving out the whole censorship/sexism/misogyny discussion, I personally thing the altered outfits look cooler and more badass than the originals. The originals seem to me like they may be trying a little too hard to be sexy which kind of doesn't work with the stylized chibi-esque characters. I don't know if I would buy it since I haven't tried the demo yet but either way this isn't going to affect my dissension in the least.

Arqus_Zed:
You know...

There's a lot of room for discussion here. Are the Japanese perverts? Is the Western civilization filled with prudes? Does this harm the original game? Are they right to change the ages because putting teens is revealing clothing is creepy (even though we see it daily within our own society)? Or is it all irrelevant because it is just a game?

But the one point I keep coming back to, is this: what's the fucking point if your graphics look like *that*. I mean, I like JRPGs (to a point) and I've heard some good things about this game, but between the capabilities of the 3DS and the style they went for with this game... you couldn't make this explicit even if you had full frontal nudity.

Do they even have noses? I can't say for sure because of the small resolution, but it looks as if the characters don't even have a nose.

Bwahahaha! I have to agree with this. Making characters T&A pieces of sex meat is one thing, but what's the fucking point when you're using THAT graphical style? Who exactly are you trying to pander to? Oh well. All in all it's good that they toned down the, ah... lolicon-ness?

Magenera:
Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

Dude, why the hell do you want to see extra skin on a 15 year old that much?

LavaLampBamboo:

Magenera:
Yeah well I won't be getting this shit, till I find out if comes to America uncensored.

Dude, why the hell do you want to see extra skin on a 15 year old that much?

Because I'm paying full price for this shit, and I don't give fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Not only that, but they cut out dialogue that lead to some characters be raped. So unless there is fucking price cut right off the bet, I'm getting content that was altered.

Make it tasteful and that's all I care.
I understand that it's anime/japanese and their like the idea of sexualizing children but..I don't want that...trust me I see enough middle-school kids bopping around in tight pants it makes me lose hope in mankind.

I don't need to play a game where my character is 15, wears clothes like a stripper, and then gets attacked by an octopus.

Mind you, if it's in Japan they can get away it to a point. Do recall the government there did ban lolicon stuff. Like anything that's blatant "I'm 12 and I want sex all day!" is actually illegal last time I saw the article on the stuff.
But here in the Canada, US, etc..we don't really want that in our games since it's creepy.

Desert Punk:
So they changed it because they didnt want the social justice warriors crying at them.

As far as reasons go I can accept that they dont want to listen to their whining and bitching.

I would wager the changes are rather more for the ESRB than for the appeasement of any particular intrest group or fear of any kind of back-lash. In general, Continental Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc. do not have the same Victorian prudishness as the United States; and they really couldn't care less about our thoughts on how short a cat-girl's skirt is. The publisher and distrubuter are likely just doing what they must in order to ensure the widest possible general audience release in our market.

I know the article states that Europe's version is getting the same changes as the one coming state-side, but it wouldn't surprise me if the reason is simply to have all the translation and localisation applied uniformly to the same version -- practicality and nothing more.

On game character appearance in general- I do have to admit I find it silly if a game goes for photorealism (whether otherwise being fantasy, sci-fi, etc.), and lets dudes fight in chain mail but relegates girls to a bikini. The more real the style, the more real my expectations. But if the game is stylized and cartoony, I readily accept the clothing design choices as intrinsic to the style. And games from Japan are often as heavily stylized as games can get (and I also don't wish to impose the culture norms of my society onto the entertainment production of a completely different society) - so I never finding myself wondering about why some guy's jacket only has one sleave (seriously square-enix with the half-clothes and the no symmetry Ha! ), or why some girl likes fighting in a corset in the context of the game. Because in those cases where the game is stylized the art style is informing the context of the game. So, I just go with it.

I bet they left all the violence untouched though.

Yup. I'm completely fine with this, like many of the others here it seems. Not because I find lolis distasteful, or because I think those girls are dressing too skimpily in the original outfits (compared to other games, it's not the worst I've seen) But mostly because I like the way the new models look. they're pretty cool.
Are those two outfits the only things altered? or is there other things as well?

EyeReaper:
Yup. I'm completely fine with this, like many of the others here it seems. Not because I find lolis distasteful, or because I think those girls are dressing too skimpily in the original outfits (compared to other games, it's not the worst I've seen) But mostly because I like the way the new models look. they're pretty cool.
Are those two outfits the only things altered? or is there other things as well?

Yah - I gotta say, I really dig the design on the bottom left - it looks more sleek to me.

2xDouble:
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Alright, sarcasm aside, I would be much less likely to buy the game with the original outfits. I would frankly feel rather embarrassed if my girlfriend/parents/siblings/friends walked in and saw me playing a game with those character models on screen. So whatever. I'm probably not going to get the game anyway, so my opinions probably don't count, but halfway sensible (although they still look borderline silly) outfits would help.

But whatever, I don't even know why I'm commenting. This affects me exactly zero. Help.

As long as they didn't alter anything major, and I can't find any example of anything major being changed, I'm still buying it. I don't care if they adjusted the clothing or ages a little, that is not what I'm buying the game for. By all accounts, the main content of the game wasn't touched.

And giving my $.02 'cuz I can, I actually like the top left costume more than the original. The bottom one is just meh all around to me, though if I had to pick I like the original a tiny bit more.

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