Star Wars: Episode VII To Be a Send-Off For the Original Cast

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Ukomba:

rcs619:

BrotherRool:
The bad news here isn't that they're going to focus on people whose original actors can't possible do half the work involved in making a film anymore.

No the bad news here is that JJ Abrams threw away a decent scriptwriter so that he could write it himself. Mystery box here we come :(

All mystery box, all the time.

My money is on Palpatine being cloned back into existence, or something. Because, what a tweeest. We're already bringing back all the old heroes, why not make them have to fight the same old villain one more time :P

Also, Boba Fett will be there too.

So you're thinking they're going to do the "dark empire" story line then? The way he talks I'm wondering if they're jumping to "Crucible".

Of corse it's 37 years aby in real life. Which means either "Dark Nest" (#$!*ING killiks) or the eu dead zone before the legacy era.

Eyup, as mentioned, it's been done in the EU. Actually, hasn't it been done twice in the EU? Can't remember.

I've got it. I know exactly how Abbrams is going to implement the old characters with the new cast:

It's going to start out with the original cast on the Millennium Falcon, doing a routine check up to a star system on the outer rim territories for the Galactic Alliance. Then, they get a distress signal from two refugee ships fleeing a strange energy ribbon. The Falcon is able to save some of the refugees before their ships are destroyed, but they themselves become trapped in the ribbon. Luke goes to alter the Falcon's shield control, allowing the ship to escape. The trailing end of the ribbon makes contact with the ship's hull, exposing the section Luke is in to the vacuum of space. He is presumed dead.

Cut to the new cast of characters years later, flying the newest ship to be called the Millennium Falcon. This next cast of characters are the new generation of Star Wars heroes that have relatively similar archetypes as the originals but are still different in their personalities. They have many adventures as they fly around space helping out the next Rebel Alliance.

Circumstances bring these characters to face the energy ribbon that supposedly took the legendary Luke Skywalker's life. But, it turns out, Luke has been alive the whole time, living in this strange nexus of energy that causes time and reality to warp to his will, so he uses it to ride tauntauns and cook eggs all day. The new main character convinces Luke to leave this perfect paradise to stop some sith lord nobody cares about probably played by Malcolm McDowell from blowing up a star or something.

Then Luke dies from getting crushed by a catwalk, but McDowell is stopped, so everything is great I guess.

Oh and Darth Vader can be like standing in the background at the end.

Yeah, this is gonna be great... I can't fucking wait for Star Wars VII now.

Ukomba:

rcs619:

BrotherRool:
The bad news here isn't that they're going to focus on people whose original actors can't possible do half the work involved in making a film anymore.

No the bad news here is that JJ Abrams threw away a decent scriptwriter so that he could write it himself. Mystery box here we come :(

All mystery box, all the time.

My money is on Palpatine being cloned back into existence, or something. Because, what a tweeest. We're already bringing back all the old heroes, why not make them have to fight the same old villain one more time :P

Also, Boba Fett will be there too.

So you're thinking they're going to do the "dark empire" story line then? The way he talks I'm wondering if they're jumping to "Crucible".

Of corse it's 37 years aby in real life. Which means either "Dark Nest" (#$!*ING killiks) or the eu dead zone before the legacy era.

Umm, no, I think they're just going to clone Palpatine back into existence. Or have him be a cyborg. Or have him have had some kind of weird evil clone-son. Or maybe some sort of weird sith time-travel. Who knows. There's going to be some kind of dumb twist. JJ Abrams just can't help himself when it comes to dumb twists, and I don't think he's creative enough to just manufacture a new, more interesting villain all on his own.

Either way, Boba Fett will be there too, just you wait and see. :P

Disney has already confirmed that the new movies will have nothing to do with any of the extended universe. All of those stories are basically non-canon now.

God I was actually looking forward to Arndt reinvigorating the SW universe and was disappointed when he left the project and to find out it was because JJ Abrams decided it should be shit instead of good pisses me off to no end.

No. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Just...no.

(Throws keyboard across room, flips many tables, smashes some things, slams forehead into desk, walks away to cool off)

The original cast doesn't need a send off. Did you not see how Return of the Jedi ended? Their time is done. Their adventure is over. The Emperor is dead and the Empire is defeated (or on the verge of breaking, if you follow the E.U.). It is time for a new generation and a new storyline. Bring this Michael Anrdt person back. He at least knew where the focus of the next film should be. I had my doubts when Abrams was announced as director, and every bit of news that is coming about about these new films is slowly lowering my hopes. It's getting to the point where I think I just want to stay in my E.U. and be done with these films and they're not even out yet.
And yeah, let's be honest here: Carrie, Mark, and Harrison are not spring chickens anymore, even if they work out non-stop until shooting. Have them be the supporting roles, the mentors, the cameos, the whatever-you-want-to-call-them, but for the love of the Force and Star Wars in general, don't make them the focus of the entire movie.

rcs619:
Disney has already confirmed that the new movies will have nothing to do with any of the extended universe. All of those stories are basically non-canon now.

That's the way it's always been. As always, canonicity in the Star Wars EU has put the films as absolute priority. Only stories that contradict the status of the characters and galaxy that are set up in the films are going to be considered non-canon. Anything minor can be overlooked, like the depiction of Coruscant in the Jedi Academy series that was completely different than what the prequels showed years later. It's always worked this way.

The only way everything that has been built up in the EU post Return of the Jedi becomes non-canon is if the Lucasfilm Story Group directly says that it's all non-canon.

rcs619:

Ukomba:

rcs619:

All mystery box, all the time.

My money is on Palpatine being cloned back into existence, or something. Because, what a tweeest. We're already bringing back all the old heroes, why not make them have to fight the same old villain one more time :P

Also, Boba Fett will be there too.

So you're thinking they're going to do the "dark empire" story line then? The way he talks I'm wondering if they're jumping to "Crucible".

Of corse it's 37 years aby in real life. Which means either "Dark Nest" (#$!*ING killiks) or the eu dead zone before the legacy era.

Umm, no, I think they're just going to clone Palpatine back into existence. Or have him be a cyborg. Or have him have had some kind of weird evil clone-son. Or maybe some sort of weird sith time-travel. Who knows. There's going to be some kind of dumb twist. JJ Abrams just can't help himself when it comes to dumb twists, and I don't think he's creative enough to just manufacture a new, more interesting villain all on his own.

Either way, Boba Fett will be there too, just you wait and see. :P

Disney has already confirmed that the new movies will have nothing to do with any of the extended universe. All of those stories are basically non-canon now.

You keep saying stuff the eu has done. The emperor was cloned, and Fett is running around the galaxy.

cloning the emperor back to life was the plot of "dark empire". He was going to transfer into an Anakin Solo eventualy.

Fett will probably be there, he's probubly Mandalor by this point. Might even have his grand daughter show up.

They say no eu, but they mentioned the main chars children, and haven't mentioned chewie. Might not be as far from the eu as all that.

I just hope there's no mention of Halen mark or an appearance by a geriatric jarjar.

In my head, it seems possible that you can focus on the children AND give the original characters a proper send off. Then again, I've been known to be wrong in the past.

Yep. It's going to suck really hard.

But seriously, who is surprised? How many franchises have been successfully revived without resorting to being a sad stream of references to the glory days?

Ukomba:

rcs619:

Ukomba:

So you're thinking they're going to do the "dark empire" story line then? The way he talks I'm wondering if they're jumping to "Crucible".

Of corse it's 37 years aby in real life. Which means either "Dark Nest" (#$!*ING killiks) or the eu dead zone before the legacy era.

Umm, no, I think they're just going to clone Palpatine back into existence. Or have him be a cyborg. Or have him have had some kind of weird evil clone-son. Or maybe some sort of weird sith time-travel. Who knows. There's going to be some kind of dumb twist. JJ Abrams just can't help himself when it comes to dumb twists, and I don't think he's creative enough to just manufacture a new, more interesting villain all on his own.

Either way, Boba Fett will be there too, just you wait and see. :P

Disney has already confirmed that the new movies will have nothing to do with any of the extended universe. All of those stories are basically non-canon now.

You keep saying stuff the eu has done. The emperor was cloned, and Fett is running around the galaxy.

cloning the emperor back to life was the plot of "dark empire". He was going to transfer into an Anakin Solo eventualy.

Fett will probably be there, he's probubly Mandalor by this point. Might even have his grand daughter show up.

They say no eu, but they mentioned the main chars children, and haven't mentioned chewie. Might not be as far from the eu as all that.

I just hope there's no mention of Halen mark or an appearance by a geriatric jarjar.

Fun-Fact: I never actually read any of the EU (except Truce at Bakura when I was like, in middle-school) :P I just listed off some things I felt would be potentially dumb twists for a director with JJ Abrams' sensibilities to attempt.

Like, contriving a way to bring back the series' old big-bad instead of attempting to make a newer, more plausible, more interesting one just so that it can be a big, twist reveal in the second act (probably with some excessively overkill super-weapon with a fatal, glaring weakness). Or giving out some major fan-service by bringing back the barely-there background-character who, for some weird reason, a decent chunk of the fans adore.

Just because they mention the main characters having children does not mean they are going to be the same characters as from the EU (I hope not anyway, because from what I've heard, one of them arbitrarily turns evil because... reasons. Really, another Skywalker bloodline male going randomly evil?). Of course Han and Leia were going to have kids given time. It'd really throw a wrench into the ending of Return of the Jedi if they decided they really weren't that into each other afterall.

But yes. There's going to be a dumb twist. That is basically guaranteed. I'm just kind of morbidly curious about what it's going to turn out to be, lol.

TiberiusEsuriens:

Daaaah Whoosh:
Someone post the video of Darth Vader screaming "NOOOOO!"

Harrison Ford has straight up stated he hates Star Wars.

When did he said that? i was just watching an old episode of the Conan O'Brien show where hes guest and Conan pays him a 1000 bucks in exchange of secrets, at which he laughs, but he talked about the Star Wars movies with genuine nostalgia... And he of course said he didnt knew anything.
That being said, PLEASE NO, YOU DONT START A NEW TRILOGY WITH A PREQUEL ABOUT A BUNCH OF OLD FARTS!! YOU PAY YOU RESPECTS TO THE OLD FARTS AND YOU RELEGATE THEM TO SUPPORT ROLES!
(excuse me for calling them old farts; im a big fan of George Carlin)

this basically confirms my worst fear about this movie I really didnt want to watch something that was too beholden to original material to go anywhere new i mean thats a large part of why the prequels were bad too

You know, I have only one more request of this series.

One more rogue squadron game. Just one more. Hell, it can be an HD remake of the last three. Just give me a blow up the death star arcade game and then you can go ahead and make movies based on the fucking ewok comic books for all I care. Just let me get in the X-wing and listen to general riekaan one more time.

Do you hear me ea? Just an HD Re-release of all 3 rogue squadron games in one package. That is it.

Racecarlock:
You know, I have only one more request of this series.

One more rogue squadron game. Just one more. Hell, it can be an HD remake of the last three. Just give me a blow up the death star arcade game and then you can go ahead and make movies based on the fucking ewok comic books for all I care. Just let me get in the X-wing and listen to general riekaan one more time.

Do you hear me ea? Just an HD Re-release of all 3 rogue squadron games in one package. That is it.

Actually a Rogue Squadron movie doesn't sound too bad. Top Gun in space, but with aliens and humans. Maybe even develop some minor characters. Poor Wedge, he's the only rebel pilot who ever survives, and Luke always hogs all the attention.

Racecarlock:
You know, I have only one more request of this series.

One more rogue squadron game. Just one more. Hell, it can be an HD remake of the last three. Just give me a blow up the death star arcade game and then you can go ahead and make movies based on the fucking ewok comic books for all I care. Just let me get in the X-wing and listen to general riekaan one more time.

Do you hear me ea? Just an HD Re-release of all 3 rogue squadron games in one package. That is it.

I would play a new rogue squadron game if they remake it, and i generally agree with Yahtzee when it comes to reboots.
however the game that i am really want from the revival of the star wars series, is the new Battlefront game that is currently in the works with DICE. which i be getting on release date regardless of cost.

I'm just going to say it. The Heir to the Empire Trilogy is what actually happens. There was Return of the Jedi then a vacuum, and the Heir to the Empire trilogy happened and all of a sudden in 1991 Star Wars came back, "Tie Fighter" the videogame in 1994 and then the expansion was all about Thrawn and every piece of media since then has used things and characters from those three books. He added so much more, the most important additions he made are Mara Jade, AT-PTs, Slicing, Interdictor Cruisers, Coruscant, The Jedi Academy at Coruscant, giving wookies claws and the list could go on. Heir to the Empire was the only thing guiding the events after Return of the Jedi for 22 years, you can't just go back now, if you've done anything Star Wars in 22 years you've seen those changes, even things like Battlefront 2 is full additions he made, even the PREQUELS have things he invented in them.

They probably could have made those movies in 1991, but now they really can't. It's too late, but it's what people are expecting now because even without reading them the material has made it's way into the universe, despite all the insane rambling nonsense Lucas put in the prequels(he'd have to cut nearly all of Yoda talking about the force in Empire Strikes Back to make it consistent.)

The only way I can see this new idea working, is if the next movie is a tight political thriller book-ended with action scenes. Something like; Leia is a skilled diplomat trying to keep the 20 year old new republic together during a new crisis they face in the film, Han Solo is focused on keeping supply lines running and espionage , he would have to be an admiral or something(this is problematic, his character arc makes him unlikely to accept a "desk job", more responsibility, yes, but not something that slow, but you just can't have a 71 year old believably running around anymore) Luke following his arc from whiny farm boy into calm, dedicated and concentrated Jedi would more or less become a Yoda figure training other Jedi. The action would have to be carried out by children or apprentices of those main characters.

The only film I can think of at the moment that approximates what I'm talking about is Clear and Present Danger. The story is about Jack Ryan gradually uncovering an illegal war, more or less from his office chair in Washington D.C. but the film is full of action scenes from that illegal war that depend on the story in D.C. to make sense and have weight. The only time Ryan is in an action scene is at the end and even then you get the sense that he just barely makes it out because he has been sitting on that office chair the whole time, I think this type of story could work, but I doubt they will have the self control to use the original characters without making them Crystal Skull all over the screen.

The best thing they could do is let them be old, use them as actors instead of action heroes ala Alec Guinness

rcs619:

BrotherRool:
The bad news here isn't that they're going to focus on people whose original actors can't possible do half the work involved in making a film anymore.

No the bad news here is that JJ Abrams threw away a decent scriptwriter so that he could write it himself. Mystery box here we come :(

All mystery box, all the time.

My money is on Palpatine being cloned back into existence, or something (or maybe a long-lost clone son). Because, what a tweeest. We're already bringing back all the old heroes, why not make them have to fight the same old villain one more time :P

Also, Boba Fett will be there too.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that actually happened in the Expanded Universe. Palpatine has a clone and is brought back to life and sways Luke to join the dark side. But Luke's only pretending. But then he isn't. But then things work out and Palpatine is killed again. And then later he has a second clone. I'm kind of glad they aren't trying to work in so much EU material, as you can see.

rcs619:

Fun-Fact: I never actually read any of the EU (except Truce at Bakura when I was like, in middle-school) :P I just listed off some things I felt would be potentially dumb twists for a director with JJ Abrams' sensibilities to attempt.

Like, contriving a way to bring back the series' old big-bad instead of attempting to make a newer, more plausible, more interesting one just so that it can be a big, twist reveal in the second act (probably with some excessively overkill super-weapon with a fatal, glaring weakness). Or giving out some major fan-service by bringing back the barely-there background-character who, for some weird reason, a decent chunk of the fans adore.

Just because they mention the main characters having children does not mean they are going to be the same characters as from the EU (I hope not anyway, because from what I've heard, one of them arbitrarily turns evil because... reasons. Really, another Skywalker bloodline male going randomly evil?). Of course Han and Leia were going to have kids given time. It'd really throw a wrench into the ending of Return of the Jedi if they decided they really weren't that into each other afterall.

But yes. There's going to be a dumb twist. That is basically guaranteed. I'm just kind of morbidly curious about what it's going to turn out to be, lol.

Well that does explain some. The early eu books aren't very good. The thrown and corellian trilogies were good.

It would be rather dumb not to at least use the names from the eu. Even Lucas used eu stuff for the prequels. Corsicana for example.

Ya I'm not very happy with what they did to the solo kids either and wouldn't mind some retconing but throwing hard core fans a bone by at least using the names would just be a smart business move. I don't think alienating the most steadfast fan base is a good way to start up a new trilogy.

A dumb twist like time a time travel reboot of the series? No way he'd do that to a well established ip............................................

Well, once again J.J. Abrams does everything wrong. He couldn't write himself out of a pre-k.

I'm just waiting for Iron Man and Thor to show up halfway through the film because- who the fuck even knows anymore? Abrams writes out his ass. I'm sure it will involve smog monsters and deserted islands though. : P

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