Gabe Newell Opens the Door To Origin On SteamOS

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Gabe Newell Opens the Door To Origin On SteamOS

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Gabe Newell says Electronic Arts is welcome to put Origin on SteamOS if it wants to.

Gabe Newell spent some time on Reddit last night, as you may have heard, and while the original intent was to talk about his involvement in The Heart of Racing event the conversation naturally took a turn toward gaming. That led one Reddit user to ask why Valve would make Steam Machines "so proprietary" when it's spoken out against proprietary platforms in the past.

"What part is proprietary? We're trying to make it as open as possible," Newell responded. "If EA wants to put Origin on it, that would be fine, etc... (trying to pick an example of something that people think we would prohibit)."

You may recall that Valve and Electronic Arts got into a beef a few years back over EA's decision to release its games exclusively on Origin; the following year, Origin chief David DeMartini accused Valve of "cheapening" intellectual property with frequent, deeply-discounted Steam sales. Newell did say in 2011 that it was up to Valve to convince EA of the benefits of being on Steam but by all appearances, relations between the two have remained frosty since then.

It's not likely that EA is going to trip over itself whipping up a SteamOS-compatible Origin client based solely on an offhanded-remark on Reddit, but it could be the first step toward a thaw - and if Steam Machines are a hit, EA is going to want Origin on them.

Source: Reddit

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And the question is response is, why would those who get a steambox, or the steamOS want origin anywhere near it? Seriously i never understood this idea of publishers lately that they have to have their own "steam". I mean at least Ubisoft still utilizes steam and sells their games there, but EA? EA went "im taking my ball and go home" because they wouldnt agree that all DLC they sell has to also be available on steam.

Yes. EA Games are gone from steam because EA refused to put DLC on steam. Just..let that sink in for a minute.

That is probably the biggest insult that Valve could issue to EA: "You are so little a threat to our service that we don't even have to bother to block you from our OS, since people won't use your crap anyway!"

Because EA should be torn down to its roots and sold.

It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

cerebus23:
Because EA should be torn down to its roots and sold.

It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

As much as I dislike EA, it would be good to keep in mind that they exist because we allow them to.
Until gamers stop buying games with an EA label on them, they will continue to make money, produce more shit games, and perpetuate the cycle.

cerebus23:
It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

That analogy would work better if Andrew Wilson was considered the second coming of Jesus by the gamer equivalent of liberals.

OT:

Gabe is either trolling or has officially lost it. Seriously, that's like Sony saying "hey, if MS wants to sell its games on PSN, that's cool". Also, what's the point of buying a Steam Machine when you run the same shit on it you would on PC?

Kieve:

cerebus23:
Because EA should be torn down to its roots and sold.

It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

As much as I dislike EA, it would be good to keep in mind that they exist because we allow them to.
Until gamers stop buying games with an EA label on them, they will continue to make money, produce more shit games, and perpetuate the cycle.

I cant help but think of Sovereign's little monologue from Mass Effect. "You exist because we allow it, you will die because we demand it." Rather apt..and ironic given Mass Effect is a EA title, in a manner of speaking.

Oh Ea should get right on that.
I mean, the more Operating systems the user can choose not to install Origin on the better!

This is not a surprising move. The facts are, a lot of people play EA games. Some of those games aren't available on Steam. And if Valve wants gamers to adopt SteamOS, it has to allow people to play their Origin games. It's not an insult, it's not a revolutionary decision. It was to be expected.

Andy Chalk:
...and if Steam Machines are a hit, EA is going to want Origin on them.

Steam is a hit, and EA isn't particularly fussed about no longer releasing on it. (They probably should be, but they're not.)

Chaosritter:
Also, what's the point of buying a Steam Machine when you run the same shit on it you would on PC?

Because it will(should) not be a proprietary and spyware POS like Windows 8 or Origin. I would but assume that Gabe would make EA remove the spyware section of Origin before it would be allowed in the SteamOS. If not I agree why bother, but so far Valve has a track record of not being assholes........

Chaosritter:
Also, what's the point of buying a Steam Machine when you run the same shit on it you would on PC?

A steam machine IS a PC. It's just a prebuilt PC being marketed towards living room use by a demographic who wouldn't want to build their own machines, yet want some assurance that they are buying something suitable for gaming.

It's designed to be completely open, so you can run whatever you want on it. Asking why you would buy one when it runs the same things as any other PC is to miss the point somewhat.

Whether this works out for Valve remains to be seen, however.

In October, DICE announce they really wanted to get into Linux.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/12/dice-we-strongly-want-to-get-into-linux-for-a-reason-says-gustavsson/

SteamOS was cited as a reason.

And I did find some Q&A on an EA Support forum about running Origin on Linux: It doesn't run very well, if at all. Using a Windows/Linux dual-boot was the recommendation.

EA gets a lot of their support from the console market, which is largely unaffected by their Origin platform outside of some connectivity software. I haven't really played any games from EA since Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2, and at those times Origin was still web based and not a software system that had to be installed on the clients machine. The problem is that EA is playing second fiddle to Steam, since valve beat them to developing the solution. The man who does the path-finding reaps the biggest benefits.

EA should make Origin on Windows less terrible before they make any attempt to port it to another OS. Trying to do CO OP stuff on Origin games is way harder than it needs to be and often derps out for no good reason.

Colt47:
The man who does the path-finding reaps the biggest benefits.

True! It's called "first to market" (or "first-mover advantage"). It has the greatest potential for success, also carries the biggest risks since there's very little established market information available.

More times than not, a company's venture into a brand new market will fail. Valve just happened to hit upon a good thing and implemented it well.

EA, traditionally, has not taken risks like that with new market ventures. Heck, the majority of their portfolio is either IP they bought or copied from someone else.

Zipa:
...and often derps out for no good reason.

Actually, there's a very good reason for that happening. You could be a pirate. EA would rather their DRM disconnect any number of valid customers than allow even a single pirate to enjoy their service. But hey, it surely keeps their costs (and prices) down by preventing lost sales, yes?

Oh this will be fun, it's going to make Gabe look like the all around saint while at the same time making EA look like the evil "baddy" that's also a child with his ball.

Good to see people still spouting the same nonsense about Origin being "spyware".

OT: Interesting statement, although I'm betting EA is going to wait and see if SteamOS actually takes off before they worry about porting Origin to it. Doesn't matter either way to me because fuck SteamOS. (and I would say fuck Steam, but I'm kinda stuck with that PoS.)

MinionJoe:

Colt47:
The man who does the path-finding reaps the biggest benefits.

True! It's called "first to market" (or "first-mover advantage"). It has the greatest potential for success, also carries the biggest risks since there's very little established market information available.

More times than not, a company's venture into a brand new market will fail. Valve just happened to hit upon a good thing and implemented it well.

EA, traditionally, has not taken risks like that with new market ventures. Heck, the majority of their portfolio is either IP they bought or copied from someone else.

Zipa:
...and often derps out for no good reason.

Actually, there's a very good reason for that happening. You could be a pirate. EA would rather their DRM disconnect any number of valid customers than allow even a single pirate to enjoy their service. But hey, it surely keeps their costs (and prices) down by preventing lost sales, yes?

They like to think that they are protecting sales figures, though I'm fairly sure if they dropped Origin and used a common platform like Steam they would pick up a lot more. What is annoying about EA is that they are basically the same as Blizzard Activision, only they survive off of sports releases and have just recently started to try competing with Call of Duty.

Andy Chalk:
if Steam Machines are a hit, EA is going to want Origin on them...

You are assuming that EA is run by rational, clear-minded individuals and not shaved feral chimps.

Exterminas:
That is probably the biggest insult that Valve could issue to EA: "You are so little a threat to our service that we don't even have to bother to block you from our OS, since people won't use your crap anyway!"

Except that he's not saying it as an insult because Valve has been saying since well before Windows 8 released that they think open operating systems are good for consumers and software developers, and that they vehemently oppose an OS that has the potential to lock people out of developing for it. You can take it as an insult, but he's really just saying they're not going to be evil overlords telling people what they can and can't make for the Steam OS. Want to develop a competing game storefront to Steam for it? Fill your boots.

Umm no, there are no doors being "opened" because there has never been a closed door in the first place.
"Steam OS" is linux with some makeup on it.

If there were any "closed doors", that would be a huge minus for steam boxes since they would essentially be crippled pcs, why even bother with that.
I bloody well better be able to do put anything on that pc without valve pulling a sony and retroactively patching that out because ohnoespiracy and I don't even think making it all closed and apple-y is an option if they want to compete with consoles since the openness of pcs combined with the ease to use of consoles is their only selling point imo.

If I didn't feel like Valve was acting like EA on many issues I might give this a try, but I rather just stick with a Windows OS instead of dealing with having to stream my games or not have the available to me. If their catalog eventually gets big enough I will give it another look.

I really don't understand why people side with either EA or Valve, for they both are acting like children with not having EA's games on Steam anymore. EA wants to sell their DLC their way and Valve is telling them if they don't do it their way they are removing them from their service.

EA's excuse at the time was bs anyway, because they ended up having sales too. They just cited that excuse to avoid having to say that they really just want exclusive control over their games and the people who play them*...but they'll never admit anything like that.

*as in, actually controlling those people, not just who gets to play

Putting Origin on a Steam Machine would be like playing NES on a 1080p high-def 3d tv... Its possible, but why would you?

I'm not convinced that that analogy ended up as clever as I had originally intended.

Kieve:

cerebus23:
Because EA should be torn down to its roots and sold.

It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

As much as I dislike EA, it would be good to keep in mind that they exist because we allow them to.
Until gamers stop buying games with an EA label on them, they will continue to make money, produce more shit games, and perpetuate the cycle.

Sadly, for every person enlightened to that fact, theres at least 5 more who blindly buy at least one of the yearly rereleases of sports games EA owns.

Has not bought an ea sports title since oh god 1998? 2001? maybe did not own any for ps3 at all, and i tended to get them for pc vs consoles after a point and when thy went over they ported the ps2 game to pc so meh.

2k all way and if they dont put it out because EA is sitting on the license, meh. burn EA.

Only EA related titles i have bought were bioware, and that burns my craw to this day.

I put my wallet where my hate is :P.

The thing is Valve can't really stop anyone from releasing software for their new OS and they really do want an open system that allows this sorta thing. The GNU Linux license states that Valve must release the source code for their Linux distro to anyone who wants it. They don't have to do squat about their Steam client running on Linux and should keep it secret for security reasons, but Steam OS is just another distro with a dedicated focus. If you know your way around Linux you could have Steam OS running the Steam Client while editing a picture in GIMP and surfing the web in Firefox or Konqueror.

Hairless Mammoth:
The thing is Valve can't really stop anyone from releasing software for their new OS and they really do want an open system that allows this sorta thing. The GNU Linux license states that Valve must release the source code for their Linux distro to anyone who wants it. They don't have to do squat about their Steam client running on Linux and should keep it secret for security reasons, but Steam OS is just another distro with a dedicated focus. If you know your way around Linux you could have Steam OS running the Steam Client while editing a picture in GIMP and surfing the web in Firefox or Konqueror.

This is why I hope it takes off and AAA publisher's patch their games for Linux, I'd drop windows in an instant.

I'll be honest I hate EA and outright boycott anything they make, and I think origin is shit, but honestly some people do play some EA games and require origin, so I think its good to see the Steam OS being tailored to work with other games outside of steam, since this can make the Steam OS a direct competitor to other OS's,

one of my biggest fears is most games outside of steam or, non game programs won't work on the Steam OS at all, and that might be a huge barrier for some people, including me

martyrdrebel27:
Putting Origin on a Steam Machine would be like playing NES on a 1080p high-def 3d tv... Its possible, but why would you?

I'm not convinced that that analogy ended up as clever as I had originally intended.

... You mean, why wouldn't you?
Right?

OT: I still think what Gabe said has merit...

I mean, the SteamOS is based off linux...
And how many of EA's games have actually been ported to Linux?

The Sims maybe?

I don't know, it's not something I know off the top of my head...
But seriously, EA are TRYING to fix some of their more glaring issues, they have been trying for a while now... Sure, they're not very good at it...

*sigh*

I don't know why people wish EA didn't exist...
I mean, that'd be asking what it would be like without Bethesda... (Or Zenimax since EA is the parent company in this example...)
I know it would just be owned by someone else but would the Elder Scrolls series still be around if Zenimax went under?

I mean, we saw what happened with THQ, and I'm surprised with what happened with them since (to my understanding) Metro, Saints Row, those sports games and the 40K games sold well enough...

Hell, think of a world without 2K games... Would Borderlands have ever existed?

Just food for thought...

But yeah, I stand by my original point of nothing noteworthy of EA that actually works on linux... (Again, no research was put into this statement, it just doesn't sound like something the company would do/has done)

thewatergamer:
I'll be honest I hate EA and outright boycott anything they make, and I think origin is shit, but honestly some people do play some EA games and require origin, so I think its good to see the Steam OS being tailored to work with other games outside of steam, since this can make the Steam OS a direct competitor to other OS's,

one of my biggest fears is most games outside of steam or, non game programs won't work on the Steam OS at all, and that might be a huge barrier for some people, including me

You know, the whole point of Gabe's comment/example, mentioned in the article, was to illustrate the point that SteamOS will not be locked down. Aside from some custom bits (Steam client, the overlay, some drivers, some yet unfinished apps) it's just a modified Debian Linux distro and should easily run most Debian (and Ubuntu) compatible software.

Plenty of people see the Steam Machine=console comparison and make all kind of wild assumptions about the SteamOS, just like the guy Gabe was answering to on Reddit.

cerebus23:
Because EA should be torn down to its roots and sold.

It is the united states government of gaming. best analogy i can think of, criminal, lazy, stupid.

Aw, it hurts the relatively nice members of America when you insult their justice seeking honorable and totally not corporate run politicians...ah heck, who I am kidding? I'm American and I agree with this statement, EA is the United states government of gaming.

Colt47:
EA gets a lot of their support from the console market, which is largely unaffected by their Origin platform outside of some connectivity software. I haven't really played any games from EA since Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2, and at those times Origin was still web based and not a software system that had to be installed on the clients machine. The problem is that EA is playing second fiddle to Steam, since valve beat them to developing the solution. The man who does the path-finding reaps the biggest benefits.

EA is not playing second fiddle because Valve came first, EA is losing because it's platform is worse than Steam in every regard. Yes, Origin has sales, but not nearly as many or for nearly the same discounts. Yes, Origin has social features but not nearly as developed as Steam's. Origin also has a much smaller catalog of games to begin with. The list goes on. EA has had ample time to develop Origin, it didn't come out yesterday, but they choose not to. There is a point where you have to stop considering being the 'first to market' as a advantage, that point has come for Steam.

Apple made the first (popular) smartphone in 2007, Samsung came out with their own competitor in 2009. Yet with this advantage in time, Samsung is rapidly overtaking Apple. While Steam technically came out in 2003, it didn't really take its modern form as both a distributor of first and third party games as well as a community/matchmaking system, until 2008. Origin came out in 2011. I know you can't compare smartphones to distribution software, but this concept is relevant to any product or service. The 'advantage' the one who comes first holds is not as relevant as you would make it seem.

clippen05:

Colt47:
EA gets a lot of their support from the console market, which is largely unaffected by their Origin platform outside of some connectivity software. I haven't really played any games from EA since Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2, and at those times Origin was still web based and not a software system that had to be installed on the clients machine. The problem is that EA is playing second fiddle to Steam, since valve beat them to developing the solution. The man who does the path-finding reaps the biggest benefits.

EA is not playing second fiddle because Valve came first, EA is losing because it's platform is worse than Steam in every regard. Yes, Origin has sales, but not nearly as many or for nearly the same discounts. Yes, Origin has social features but not nearly as developed as Steam's. Origin also has a much smaller catalog of games to begin with. The list goes on. EA has had ample time to develop Origin, it didn't come out yesterday, but they choose not to. There is a point where you have to stop considering being the 'first to market' as a advantage, that point has come for Steam.

Apple made the first (popular) smartphone in 2007, Samsung came out with their own competitor in 2009. Yet with this advantage in time, Samsung is rapidly overtaking Apple. While Steam technically came out in 2003, it didn't really take its modern form as both a distributor of first and third party games as well as a community/matchmaking system, until 2008. Origin came out in 2011. I know you can't compare smartphones to distribution software, but this concept is relevant to any product or service. The 'advantage' the one who comes first holds is not as relevant as you would make it seem.

True, it's a combination of factors. The company really seems stuck on using origin when the target market either is neutral towards it or just hates it outright. I've rarely seen anyone outside of EA marketing praise the hunk of junk.

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