Xbox One Top-Selling US Console in December, According to NPD

Xbox One Top-Selling US Console in December, According to NPD

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Microsoft leads NPD's December figures and manages to take 46% of total hardware sales in the US for the month.

Earlier in the month, Microsoft announced that it has sold more than three million Xbox Ones by the end of 2013. Now, we have a more detailed look into just how much stock the company moved in December. According to the NPD Group's figures for last month, the Xbox One was the best-selling console in the US moving 908,000 units. Additionally, its current-gen brother, the Xbox 360, also did well shifting 643,000 consoles. Together, sales of the Xbox One and Xbox 360 accounted for 46% of the hardware market share in the US, which is a 10% growth compared to the same time last year.

Here are the rest of the NPD December 2013 Xbox highlights.

Total combined retail spend on the Xbox platform (Xbox One and Xbox 360) in December reached $1.39 billion, 50 percent of the combined software, hardware and accessories spend in the U.S. (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).

During the month of December, Xbox One held six of the top 10 spots on the new generation console game title list: "Battlefield 4," "Forza Motorsport 5," "Dead Rising 3," "Ryse: Son of Rome," "Madden NFL 25" and "Call of Duty: Ghosts" (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).

Based on Microsoft's internal software figures, consumers purchased an average of 2.9 games per Xbox One since launch. Yusuf Medhi, corporate vice president of marketing, strategy and business for Xbox thanks fans and states, "We're grateful for the excitement and support of our fans - many purchasing their next Xbox console and many joining the Xbox family for the first time," and adds, "Our journey is just starting, with more innovation, games and entertainment coming in 2014 and far beyond."

For comparison's sake, Sony has revealed that it has sold 4.2 million PlayStation 4 units in 2013. Hopefully, Sony shares its latest NPD numbers soon, so we can accurately compare the two.

Does this mean the Xbox One is winning in the US, or is it just a case of Microsoft having stock readily available compared to the PS4?

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And the gloating may begin. Anyone who said the Xbox One would be a colossal failure seems to be wrong.

I've still got no personal interest in either of the consoles, but being right is always fun.

This might have to do with the fact that Xbox One simply had more consoles available seeing they didn't release their consoles in as many countries as the PS4, but I also think this may be connected with the fact that America has shown to prefer Microsoft over Sony in the last generation. At the end of last console generation when the numbers started to even out the Xbox 360 was the best selling console in America, but in hardware sales in total it ranks as the third, being narrowly beaten by the PS3 because of its sales in all the other regions. Either way I am not surprised if it turns out that Xbox One is selling more than the PS4 in USA.

Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

The Xbox One is winning in the US because it has more stock available in the US. I think Microsoft have been fairly smart in restricting their release to 13(?) countries so that the supply in those countries is able to cope with the demand. Similarly, PS4s being sold out almost everywhere is not good from Sony, because it leaves people wanting a next(current?)-gen console with the choice of Xbox One or wait for the next wave of PS4s to come out and hope you get one.

will be interesting to see how all 3 compare over the holidays and overall.

I've a friend who is intent on buying an Xbone when the price drops.
I asked; what if in that time, the Xbone is a total failure, would they consider PS4.
The answer was an outright "no" as the game score they had accrued would feel stolen from them if they went to PS.
I think that sort of loyality has played a part in these sales.

Another friend of mine bought a PS3 a few weeks ago, because the price has just dropped to what they were willing to pay haha

leaked NPD numbers

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176178&page=32

XBO: 908k
PS4: 864k
360: 643k
Wii U: 481k
PS3: 299k

Also Nintendo seems to be in trouble

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/earnings/140117/index.html

Yopaz:
Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

As you say even if these figures are not the result of the Xbox One being a more desirable console its a great strategic victory on Microsoft's part, all those Xbones in stock might not be down to people not buying them it might be down to Microsoft ensuring a decent supply of hardware where Sony cannot.

Both are successful, and should be successful, but PS4 still sold out in every single store in my surrounding area... but every store is stocked full of Xbox Ones. I don't think Sony was able to meet demand. The true results will be in the coming months.

Step 1: Wait years for new console of your choice.
Step 2: Save for months to afford it.
Step 3: Go to get it at the midnight release.
Step 4: Decide to get a different one because the one you want is out of stock.

Wait........I can't speak for everyone but thats definitely not how anyone I know operates.

bigmitch256:
Step 1: Wait years for new console of your choice.
Step 2: Save for months to afford it.
Step 3: Go to get it at the midnight release.
Step 4: Decide to get a different one because the one you want is out of stock.

Wait........I can't speak for everyone but thats definitely not how anyone I know operates.

Its more based on people looking for gifts over Christmas, if they are not gamers they would not have paid attention to the wind up before launch and just go into a store mid November onwards looking for a console as they heard new ones are out. Store has no PS4s but has Xboxes, at that point its either let whoever you are getting the gift for down or grab the Xbox.

Seems plenty of people grabbed the Xbox.

Kumagawa Misogi:
leaked NPD numbers

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176178&page=32

XBO: 908k
PS4: 864k
360: 643k
Wii U: 481k
PS3: 299k

Huh. Based on everything else I've seen on The Escapist and other gaming sites, I would have thought Sony was eating Microsoft's lunch. Guess it's not that clear cut.

I think part of the reason for the sales for Xbox1 is it attracts a wide audience. You have a ton of fitness options, there is the ability to stream your TV through it. Zoo tycoon is a good game for younger children (nice to see a title that doesn't involve mass killing for kids) Love it or hate it, I think Microsoft did a better job at releasing a console that can be targeted to the whole family. If you are a smart kid 10-15ish you could probably easily make the argument to your parents at the value of this system in the living room. I'm a PC guy myself but my wife does like the dancing games from the 360 on the kinect. So if I had to choice I would go xbox1, just on that basis... Also cause of titanfall.

Makes sense. Microsoft just has more stock available to sell. I could go out right now and get an Xbox One, either online or at a store, but the PS4 is sold out damn-near everywhere.

Based on what I've seen at my store, I think it's a matter of stock. I'm starting to see more and more Xbox Ones sitting on the self, sometimes for almost an entire half day, before they're gone. Meanwhile, I see a new PS4 maybe once every week and a half, usually one at a time, and it's gone in about half an hour. So I think that there are just more Xbox Ones ready to go.

Yopaz:
And the gloating may begin. Anyone who said the Xbox One would be a colossal failure seems to be wrong.

I've still got no personal interest in either of the consoles, but being right is always fun.

This might have to do with the fact that Xbox One simply had more consoles available seeing they didn't release their consoles in as many countries as the PS4, but I also think this may be connected with the fact that America has shown to prefer Microsoft over Sony in the last generation. At the end of last console generation when the numbers started to even out the Xbox 360 was the best selling console in America, but in hardware sales in total it ranks as the third, being narrowly beaten by the PS3 because of its sales in all the other regions. Either way I am not surprised if it turns out that Xbox One is selling more than the PS4 in USA.

Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

You claim to have no dog in this hunt, but you take the effort to post this screed against imaginary Internet person. You even proclaim that you are gloating, which is an action many steps above not caring.

I am sorry, but a part of you does care about the X-Box One. Otherwise, you would have not wasted the effort.

malestrithe:

You claim to have no dog in this hunt, but you take the effort to post this screed against imaginary Internet person. You even proclaim that you are gloating, which is an action many steps above not caring.

I am sorry, but a part of you does care about the X-Box One. Otherwise, you would have not wasted the effort.

I am a huge Nintendo fanboy, I bought the 3DS on launch, I bought the WiiU on launch. I won't buy an Xbox One unless there comes out any games for it. I disliked Microsoft's communication throughout this entire thing, how they seemed to mock the consumer by offering the Xbox 360 as an appropriate substitute for those without a stable internet connection to deal with their DRM bullshit.

I stopped hating them eventually and just stopped caring. I don't give a fuck about the console itself, I care about the fact that I was right. When a great deal of (non-imaginary) people on this site claimed that PS4 would stand uncontested this console generation I simply said that the console wouldn't fail as bad as they seemed to think. So I am in a gloating kind of mood. Just the same as I gloated when my sister said chilli wasn't a fruit and I looked it up for her and proved her wrong. It doesn't change the taste of it, I don't gain anything from proving her wrong, I simply get the satisfaction of saying "you're wrong, here's the proof, SUCK IT!" Human nature that.

Anything else you want to falsely judge me for? That I dislike Sony? That I am fat? Please go on, you have already guessed that a Nintendo fanboy cares about the Xbox, I want to see how wrong you can get before you give up and admit you don't know me.

Edit: Also do you care about me or what I think about the Xbox? If you don't, why did you take the effort to quote me? Why did I take the effort to reply. I don't care about you, you don't care about me, yet we are having this discussion. Thus I have proven you wrong about your statement that you do have to care by using your logic.

I feel like gloating again.

The important word in this headline is "December" right? The numbers seem fairly close, but we're missing the actual release date of both consoles here.

Have either Sony or Microsoft revealed sales figures for specific regions yet?

Yopaz:
And the gloating may begin. Anyone who said the Xbox One would be a colossal failure seems to be wrong.

The PS4 and XBO are neck and neck in the US. As of the end of 2013, the PS4 had about 200k units more than the XBO sold thanks to having one more week on the market before the XBO's launch. The week from Jan 4th that we have numbers from? XBO sold 105k units and the ps4 sold 90k (these numbers are typical immediately after the holidays). Compare this to the last generation where the 360 spanked the heck out of ps3. It's as close as it gets.

What Sony was king of last generation was the rest of the world. That's why Sony managed to overcome 360 sales despite never beating Microsoft in the US starting a year after the 360.

So we're seeing Sony take huge strides in market share across the board. The gap is much larger in Europe and Microsoft isn't even planning on releasing in Japan at all. Sony also suffered severe shortages in the US in the last week of November and most of December despite having sold far more than Microsoft worldwide.

So I certainly wouldn't use the word "winning" to describe Microsoft at all right now. Not unless my last name was Sheen.

Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

I don't know if overall supply has anything to do with it. The ps4 sold 1.5 million more units globally than the XBO did. Differences in supply would only matter if the XBO had sold more globally than the PS4. But for all its manufacturing advantages, it doesn't help if they never sell enough consoles for it to be noticed.

I will say that Microsoft focused on a lot fewer markets and there were shortages in the US for PS4s like I said. So it's more that Sony was spread out globally than manufacturing disparities.

Lightknight:

So I certainly wouldn't use the word "winning" to describe Microsoft at all right now. Not unless my last name was Sheen.

Neither would I. I would also say that it's too soon to say anything at all. If you read beyond that sentence you quoted you will see that I state various reasons why this might be, including that Sony have released its console in more countries than Microsoft which means the stock will be lower.

Now if you read the bit you did quote you will see that I am referring to those who said it would be a COLOSSAL FAILURE. I agree when you say it's not winning, but if you're going to call it a colossal failure at this point I would like to know your definition of small success. Because that must mean they sell 10 consoles to every single living person in the world if you're going to this a COLOSSAL FAILURE.

Edit: Also it seems you to have misunderstood my comment about their stock.

I didn't mean that they had less stock GLOBALLY, I specifically said this might indicate that they had less stock in USA. You know, the country where it has currently sold the most.

Seriously, did you make even a slight attempt to read my post? I'll be honest and say I didn't bother with yours because you blatantly ignored ALL of mine and just went straight to disagreeing.

J Tyran:

Yopaz:
Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

As you say even if these figures are not the result of the Xbox One being a more desirable console its a great strategic victory on Microsoft's part, all those Xbones in stock might not be down to people not buying them it might be down to Microsoft ensuring a decent supply of hardware where Sony cannot.

but that is a problem that is meaningless in the long run. eventually sony will be able to supply all of the demand and only then we can really compare numbers. because one console selling more simply because the other guy does not manufacture as fast does not mean it is actually selling better or is more desirable. What it means is that they were running faster and captured more land but got no troops to hold it and the enemy army is marching in, slowly but steadily, from the sweatshops of china.

bigmitch256:
Step 1: Wait years for new console of your choice.
Step 2: Save for months to afford it.
Step 3: Go to get it at the midnight release.
Step 4: Decide to get a different one because the one you want is out of stock.

Wait........I can't speak for everyone but thats definitely not how anyone I know operates.

Sadly, i know people that would operate like that. the thinking is "i saved for months to play games and i cant now? fuck this im going to play one way or the other"

Yopaz:

Now if you read the bit you did quote you will see that I am referring to those who said it would be a COLOSSAL FAILURE. I agree when you say it's not winning, but if you're going to call it a colossal failure at this point I would like to know your definition of small success. Because that must mean they sell 10 consoles to every single living person in the world if you're going to this a COLOSSAL FAILURE.

Having your enemy breate in your neck in the only market you can still hold over while last time you beat same guy 3 times over in same market is a collosal failure. we never said it would go bankrupt, no, just that it will loose severely to PS4. SO far the loss is 1.5 million. if you were to add WiiU sales in the period since PS4 launch to XboxOne sales you still wouldnt get as many sales as PS4. PS4 is clearly leading the board, and if, as you say, their sales is limited by supply shortage, that means there still are plenty of people that are waiting to buy it as fast as they can. As predicted, this is clear win for PS4. Heck, they almost took the US market - the Xbox stronghold almost fell to Sony. When your enemy is picking at your walls raising them down you are loosing the war.

Strazdas:

J Tyran:

Yopaz:
Even if this turns out to be that Microsoft wins because they were able to supply enough to meet demand and Sony wasn't this is still well done on Microsoft's side.

As you say even if these figures are not the result of the Xbox One being a more desirable console its a great strategic victory on Microsoft's part, all those Xbones in stock might not be down to people not buying them it might be down to Microsoft ensuring a decent supply of hardware where Sony cannot.

but that is a problem that is meaningless in the long run. eventually sony will be able to supply all of the demand and only then we can really compare numbers. because one console selling more simply because the other guy does not manufacture as fast does not mean it is actually selling better or is more desirable. What it means is that they were running faster and captured more land but got no troops to hold it and the enemy army is marching in, slowly but steadily, from the sweatshops of china.

Of course it matters, Sony have handed Microsoft a major victory here and they will feel it for years to come. By allowing Microsoft to selling so many consoles they have allowed Microsoft to build up a massive install base, a bigger install base than they had in the first 12 months of the 360 in fact.

This means the Xbone will now remain competitive for a long time to come, more consoles out in the wild means more revenue from games and services for Microsoft. Many people will only by one console as well, what happens if they got the Xbone instead? What should have been an easy victory for Sony has turned sour because Sony couldn't meet demand.

No its not meaningless and I do not know what parallel universe exists where it would be.

Strazdas:

Yopaz:

Now if you read the bit you did quote you will see that I am referring to those who said it would be a COLOSSAL FAILURE. I agree when you say it's not winning, but if you're going to call it a colossal failure at this point I would like to know your definition of small success. Because that must mean they sell 10 consoles to every single living person in the world if you're going to this a COLOSSAL FAILURE.

Having your enemy breate in your neck in the only market you can still hold over while last time you beat same guy 3 times over in same market is a collosal failure. we never said it would go bankrupt, no, just that it will loose severely to PS4. SO far the loss is 1.5 million. if you were to add WiiU sales in the period since PS4 launch to XboxOne sales you still wouldnt get as many sales as PS4. PS4 is clearly leading the board, and if, as you say, their sales is limited by supply shortage, that means there still are plenty of people that are waiting to buy it as fast as they can. As predicted, this is clear win for PS4. Heck, they almost took the US market - the Xbox stronghold almost fell to Sony. When your enemy is picking at your walls raising them down you are loosing the war.

So the fact that they're only beating Sony by a little is a colossal failure? If you're going to exaggerate this much I see no need to argue this with you.

bigmitch256:
Step 1: Wait years for new console of your choice.
Step 2: Save for months to afford it.
Step 3: Go to get it at the midnight release.
Step 4: Decide to get a different one because the one you want is out of stock.

Wait........I can't speak for everyone but thats definitely not how anyone I know operates.

That's because you've mistaken several of the steps in that particular chain of thoughts.

In this sort of case it would be more like:

Step 1: Go to store at arbitrary time, not midnight release, to buy new console.
Step 2: Maybe you had preferences, maybe you didn't care which. Either way, only one is in stock, decide to get that one.

Not everyone is an avid fan with their heart set on one or the other, definitely not a good number of parents simply trying to get gifts.

As others have pointed out, this is more a show of how Microsoft was able to meet its consumer demands more than Sony rather than a show of which console is in higher demand.

I wanted to get a PS4 but it sold out too quickly and if I wanted to get one from Amazon, Id have to wait until two days ago (this was back in the middle of November). I'm kind of happy this has happened now though seeing as the launch lineup is fairly unremarkable. Second Son is the game I'm looking forward to.

You'd think Sony would have realized how many consoles they needed to make from their pre-order numbers. Even thought I have no intention of buying an Xbone for the foreseeable future, I've gotta hand it to Microsoft for being ready.

Mortuorum:

Kumagawa Misogi:
leaked NPD numbers

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176178&page=32

XBO: 908k
PS4: 864k
360: 643k
Wii U: 481k
PS3: 299k

Huh. Based on everything else I've seen on The Escapist and other gaming sites, I would have thought Sony was eating Microsoft's lunch. Guess it's not that clear cut.

Agreed.

The online impression from sites like this is that PS4 is on top because people want a 'next gen' look. WiiU is very close behind because it clearly offers the best games on the market and best prices. Xbone is a complete failure that only appeals to die hard fanboys who must continue with their exclusives.

More importantly than that the online impression tells me that none of these consoles are worth supporting at all. They should all be bringing very low sales numbers relative to expectations because of all the corporate practices that refuse to change and in fact get worse with each console generation.

Clearly, the general mind set of gamers at the escapist or similar sites are completely out of touch with reality.

J Tyran:

Of course it matters, Sony have handed Microsoft a major victory here and they will feel it for years to come. By allowing Microsoft to selling so many consoles they have allowed Microsoft to build up a massive install base, a bigger install base than they had in the first 12 months of the 360 in fact.

This means the Xbone will now remain competitive for a long time to come, more consoles out in the wild means more revenue from games and services for Microsoft. Many people will only by one console as well, what happens if they got the Xbone instead? What should have been an easy victory for Sony has turned sour because Sony couldn't meet demand.

No its not meaningless and I do not know what parallel universe exists where it would be.

But there is no major victory. Microsoft has managed to sell mroe consoles than sony in US? Anyone expected anything else? Victory? It would ahve been victory if it would have played out like Xbox360 vs PS3 - 3 times more sales in US. right now it looks like its a neck on neck, and they are loosing everywhere else in the world, so i wouldnt call that a victory.
Microsoft already had a massive install base. Same for Sony and Nintendo. Besides, you talk about it like Sony would have a lower install base now. they sold more consoles worldwide you know. and almost same amount in US. the difference is ~10-20% at best.

Xbone will remain competetive. a polished turn would remain competetive. Thats brand loyalty to you. And it wont matter if it was MS or Sony that pulled that. The real question is how much and how long. PS4 is a more pwoerful hardware, and as we saw at the end of the last cycle, this is a huge advantage that shows up over time. PS4 also has higher install base now worldwide, also has plenty of players in all over the world meaning all types of genres are going to be profitable, meanwhile Microsoft will ahve to rely on western oriented sales only.
Microsoft may have been able to defend its stronghold in this battle but the PS4s are piled so high they are almost over the walls. Sony has won this war.

Yopaz:

So the fact that they're only beating Sony by a little is a colossal failure? If you're going to exaggerate this much I see no need to argue this with you.

the fact that the are only beating sony by a little in US and loosing everywhere else is a colossal failure. This is a failure of the level of if microsoft would sell better in Japan than sony or nintendo. they almost lost their home castle, they already lost all the land outside of it. to continue the war analogy, a lord may boast strenght behind his castle walls but hes going to starve under siege all the same. And the castle walls are crumbling.

RedDeadFred:

You'd think Sony would have realized how many consoles they needed to make from their pre-order numbers. Even thought I have no intention of buying an Xbone for the foreseeable future, I've gotta hand it to Microsoft for being ready.

Its not about realizing the demand, its about chinese sweatshops not being able to bend time.

Strazdas:

Yopaz:

So the fact that they're only beating Sony by a little is a colossal failure? If you're going to exaggerate this much I see no need to argue this with you.

the fact that the are only beating sony by a little in US and loosing everywhere else is a colossal failure. This is a failure of the level of if microsoft would sell better in Japan than sony or nintendo. they almost lost their home castle, they already lost all the land outside of it. to continue the war analogy, a lord may boast strenght behind his castle walls but hes going to starve under siege all the same. And the castle walls are crumbling.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any degrees of failure? Colossal failure is something I would rate pretty high on the failure scale. If you're going to use the most extreme adjectives on small things which ones are left to use when you actually need strong adjectives? If beating Sony by a small margin is a colossal failure how would you rate it being beaten by the Wii U? Super Awesome Massive Colossal failure? Power death? Apocalypse?

Are you one of those guys who report on extreme drought when precipitation is 10mm less than the median in a year?

I won't say this is a huge success on Microsoft's side, I even suggested this may simply be a matter of availability rather than a competitive edge.

I don't care about the Xbox One, but I do get annoyed with people who have to go to the extremes at small things. You should work in the media, they do love that kind of stuff there.

Now you have a few choices here. You can either admit that "Colossal failure" is an exaggeration, or you can do the passive aggressive thing and simply leave it or you can define your degrees of failure to me and explain why this is a colossal one and also explain to me what degrees come after colossal.

If you fail to do this and still reply, still exaggerating then I will ignore your post and all your future posts because I will do like you and exaggerate and conclude that everything you you have ever said will be worth NOTHING du to exaggerations and that all your future posts will be worth NOTHING due to exaggerations. Your choice.

Strazdas:

J Tyran:

Of course it matters, Sony have handed Microsoft a major victory here and they will feel it for years to come. By allowing Microsoft to selling so many consoles they have allowed Microsoft to build up a massive install base, a bigger install base than they had in the first 12 months of the 360 in fact.

This means the Xbone will now remain competitive for a long time to come, more consoles out in the wild means more revenue from games and services for Microsoft. Many people will only by one console as well, what happens if they got the Xbone instead? What should have been an easy victory for Sony has turned sour because Sony couldn't meet demand.

No its not meaningless and I do not know what parallel universe exists where it would be.

But there is no major victory. Microsoft has managed to sell mroe consoles than sony in US? Anyone expected anything else? Victory? It would ahve been victory if it would have played out like Xbox360 vs PS3 - 3 times more sales in US. right now it looks like its a neck on neck, and they are loosing everywhere else in the world, so i wouldnt call that a victory.
Microsoft already had a massive install base. Same for Sony and Nintendo. Besides, you talk about it like Sony would have a lower install base now. they sold more consoles worldwide you know. and almost same amount in US. the difference is ~10-20% at best.

Xbone will remain competetive. a polished turn would remain competetive. Thats brand loyalty to you. And it wont matter if it was MS or Sony that pulled that. The real question is how much and how long. PS4 is a more pwoerful hardware, and as we saw at the end of the last cycle, this is a huge advantage that shows up over time. PS4 also has higher install base now worldwide, also has plenty of players in all over the world meaning all types of genres are going to be profitable, meanwhile Microsoft will ahve to rely on western oriented sales only.
Microsoft may have been able to defend its stronghold in this battle but the PS4s are piled so high they are almost over the walls. Sony has won this war.

Sony have far from won, thats why this is a victory for Microsoft. The launch should have been an easy win for Sony, it should have been a knock out punch but they fucked it up.

Sony had the better console, they had a better price and they where riding a huge wave of consumer good will. Microsoft had angered their customers and the console was worse value, it was Sony's race to lose. They had it in the bag but they slipped up, mediocre games and poor supply have allowed Microsoft to do pretty well.

No they have not sold as many consoles as Sony but its Microsoft's best selling console ever! and that puts Sony pretty far from winning this generation, not only that with Xbox One games holding the highest average positions in the sales charts with an average of three games per console Microsoft are selling more games! Thats upset Sony so much they are apparently forcing retailers to sell bundles only.

Now I am sure you can carry on ignoring the implications of that if you want but the facts are the facts, Sony had a far worse start to the last generation and they did all right in the end and turned it around with great games. Microsoft are nowhere near that far behind and are looking pretty successful.

So yes Sony turning what should have been a catastrophic launch of the Xbone into Microsoft's best selling console ever and selling more games than Sony is a victory for Microsoft and now at this point this console gen is still up for grabs. When it comes to regional issues Microsoft have always been focused in the west and had practically non existent sales in Japan for instance.

Yopaz:

Just out of curiosity, do you have any degrees of failure? Colossal failure is something I would rate pretty high on the failure scale. If you're going to use the most extreme adjectives on small things which ones are left to use when you actually need strong adjectives? If beating Sony by a small margin is a colossal failure how would you rate it being beaten by the Wii U? Super Awesome Massive Colossal failure? Power death? Apocalypse?

Are you one of those guys who report on extreme drought when precipitation is 10mm less than the median in a year?

I won't say this is a huge success on Microsoft's side, I even suggested this may simply be a matter of availability rather than a competitive edge.

I don't care about the Xbox One, but I do get annoyed with people who have to go to the extremes at small things. You should work in the media, they do love that kind of stuff there.

Now you have a few choices here. You can either admit that "Colossal failure" is an exaggeration, or you can do the passive aggressive thing and simply leave it or you can define your degrees of failure to me and explain why this is a colossal one and also explain to me what degrees come after colossal.

If you fail to do this and still reply, still exaggerating then I will ignore your post and all your future posts because I will do like you and exaggerate and conclude that everything you you have ever said will be worth NOTHING du to exaggerations and that all your future posts will be worth NOTHING due to exaggerations. Your choice.

there are many degrees of failures but that is not the point. colossal failure is high, albeit admittedly a bit exaggerated in the situation. however Microsoft did fail pretty hard in this case.
This is not any degree of sucess on microsofts side, the question is only how big the failure is.

I also already explained why this is a colossal failure in my previuos posts, you can read that up there.

J Tyran:

Sony have far from won, thats why this is a victory for Microsoft. The launch should have been an easy win for Sony, it should have been a knock out punch but they fucked it up.

SOny have won. By 1.5 million, even against the superior supplier. There is no victory for microsoft here, only strong walls they inherited from the old generation not giving in yet. Nothing in console market is an easy win, and as been pointed before us, the enthusiasts, are only a minority of consumers. Majoritys choice replies on far more than which console is actually better and even then we saw a victory for Sony.

Sony had the better console, they had a better price and they where riding a huge wave of consumer good will. Microsoft had angered their customers and the console was worse value, it was Sony's race to lose. They had it in the bag but they slipped up, mediocre games and poor supply have allowed Microsoft to do pretty well.

Except, that, sony actually won. Games were mediocre on both sides, but thats the launch lineup for you.

No they have not sold as many consoles as Sony but its Microsoft's best selling console ever! and that puts Sony pretty far from winning this generation, not only that with Xbox One games holding the highest average positions in the sales charts with an average of three games per console Microsoft are selling more games! Thats upset Sony so much they are apparently forcing retailers to sell bundles only.

Its also Sonys best selling console ever. the market simply grown larger. I looked up the weekly sales charts for the consoles yesterday and it seems that Micirosft had won merely on account of COD being in the top all the damn time. Also need i remidn you that there was TWICE as many software preorder for PS4 than Xbox One? ALso ironically Xbox 360 sold more games than Xbox One, so thats hardly a measure.

Now I am sure you can carry on ignoring the implications of that if you want but the facts are the facts, Sony had a far worse start to the last generation and they did all right in the end and turned it around with great games. Microsoft are nowhere near that far behind and are looking pretty successful.

The facts are simple. Sony sold more consoles. Sony sold more everywhere but US. In US sony sold almost as much as microsoft. US is considered microsoft stronghold and they expected to sell at least twice the amount that sony did. Sony is sold out and is selling off all it can manufacture, while Microsoft is paying for storage. Facts are in Sonys favour.
Oh and lets not predict which one will sell more games in 8 years since we got no idea what games are they going to be.

So yes Sony turning what should have been a catastrophic launch of the Xbone into Microsoft's best selling console ever and selling more games than Sony is a victory for Microsoft and now at this point this console gen is still up for grabs. When it comes to regional issues Microsoft have always been focused in the west and had practically non existent sales in Japan for instance.

Really, now its sonys fault that Xbox sold so much? Because its not like microsoft went back on all the bad practices that clearly won a lot of costumers back (we saw a lot of such posts on this forum alone). Yes, microsoft has always been more focused in the west, and they are loosing even there, so what will happen once we open the eastern market? you expect Microsoft to win that one and outshoot Sony? i sure dont.

I would just like to point out that while the XB1 has a narrow lead in North America (where the 360 beat the PS3 to a pulp) the One is getting an absolute pantsing throughout Europe, almost 3 to 1 last I looked.

Strazdas:
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I admire your dedication to your chosen champion but sorry I do not see how Sony handing Microsoft a lifeline is a good thing, its a collosul fuckup and there is no other word for it. Turning what should have been an easy victory into a two horse race is not a good thing.

Neither is Microsoft's best selling console ever a failure, its a success by every measure. Is it as big as success as the PS4 sales? No obviously not, if you want to actually know what a failure is have a look at the Wii U. By every measure thats a failure, Nintendo will have to work hard to turn it around. Microsoft on the other hand can just hold their course while the console recoups its RnD costs and then the hardware is in profit as each console is already profitable on production costs, the software sales are already speaking for themselves. The lead Sony have is not insurmountable either, its far smaller than the gap between the PS3 and the 360 last generation so one million more consoles is not a huge obstacle so Sony cannot afford to make any more mistakes like this. There is no way to tell how things will pan out in the future yet so declaring either a "winner" or a "loser"[1] is premature to say the least, Microsoft might release a Kinect free version and undercut Sony on cost or Sony might blow us away with awesome games over the next two years. Too early to call it, you are ignoring another important factor too.

This console generation is no longer just about how many consoles are out in the wild, its as much about the other revenue streams and exclusive deals. Microsoft will be making hundreds of millions of USD a year with all its NFL and streaming services, Sony will be making immense profits from other similar services and its own music and movie services. These deals and services will factor heavily on the financial success of both machines, I would bet that Smartphones and mobile devices will be heavily involved in this by the end of the generation as well with both manufacturers having their own lines of mobile devices.

But if you want to go on thinking that Sony handing their biggest competitor a lifeline and failing to capitalise on all the advantages they had is a good thing I won't stand in your way, have at it hoss.

[1] Only the raging fanboys with zero objectivity really give a crap about that anyway

J Tyran:

Strazdas:
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I admire your dedication to your chosen champion but sorry I do not see how Sony handing Microsoft a lifeline is a good thing, its a collosul fuckup and there is no other word for it. Turning what should have been an easy victory into a two horse race is not a good thing.

Then, i take it, you know how SOny could have easily crushed microsoft so they wouldnt sell a single console? Because Sony does not control humans liek slaves and didnt jut tell them to buy MS product over it. Im sure Sony did the best they could, or at least they think so. New console release could never be an easy victory.

Neither is Microsoft's best selling console ever a failure, its a success by every measure.

A successful sale does not mean you beat your competitor though. Just because your opponent hasnt completely crushed you does not mean that you won.

Microsoft on the other hand can just hold their course while the console recoups its RnD costs and then the hardware is in profit as each console is already profitable on production costs, the software sales are already speaking for themselves.

consoles (as in hardware) arent profitable on sale. the numbers we had was ONLY the hardware parts and assembly costs, and let very little left for storage transportation, maangement, ect. They arecertainly still selling for loss-loading on both MS and Sony case. Software is telling us that 360 is the most popular one and that PS4 was so popular it crushed Xbox in preorders and that Xbox players were mroe careful and bought the games later. It also confirms us again that world is crazy for COD.

The lead Sony have is not insurmountable either, its far smaller than the gap between the PS3 and the 360 last generation so one million more consoles is not a huge obstacle so Sony cannot afford to make any more mistakes like this.

Considering that last generation 360 was leading up to 3to1 ratio meanwhile sony not only got that up and managed to overshoot them this is clearly a mistake on Microsoft part. Can Micrisoft take over if they suddenly become the holy grail? certainly. Does it look like they will? not unless they do another 180 and actually be consumer friendly.

There is no way to tell how things will pan out in the future yet so declaring either a "winner" or a "loser"[1] is premature to say the least, Microsoft might release a Kinect free version and undercut Sony on cost or Sony might blow us away with awesome games over the next two years. Too early to call it, you are ignoring another important factor too.

Yes, therefore we should stick with the present. and present says that Sony won everywhere but US, and noone expected it to win in US to begin with. However it still did so well it almost won there too. and as you say, noone knows what will happen in the future so lets stop predicting microsoft suddenly becoming new steam and taking.

This console generation is no longer just about how many consoles are out in the wild, its as much about the other revenue streams and exclusive deals. Microsoft will be making hundreds of millions of USD a year with all its NFL and streaming services, Sony will be making immense profits from other similar services and its own music and movie services. These deals and services will factor heavily on the financial success of both machines,

This is true, however this does not negate the fact that larger install base is still better in this model, and Sony simply has larger install base as of latest data. How profitable said services be we will see once the financial reports hit, however if MS will continue using same "Free games" as competition to playstation plus as it is now i think the tendency is quite clear.

I would bet that Smartphones and mobile devices will be heavily involved in this by the end of the generation as well with both manufacturers having their own lines of mobile devices.

thats different department. if we include that we may as well include sonys movie industry and microsoft office products. But lets not, because were talking consoles here, not companies.

But if you want to go on thinking that Sony handing their biggest competitor a lifeline and failing to capitalise on all the advantages they had is a good thing I won't stand in your way, have at it hoss.

The problem with this sentence is that you think sony somehow intentionally allowed microsoft to "have a lifeline". Thats not how old brands competing work. brand loalty alone woudl ensure MS survival, the question was just who will take the lead and by how much.

P.S. before you start thinking im a fanboy or anything, im not. I dislike both consoles and am a PC gamer, however the victory for Sony this time is quite obviuos.

Yopaz:

Lightknight:

So I certainly wouldn't use the word "winning" to describe Microsoft at all right now. Not unless my last name was Sheen.

Neither would I. I would also say that it's too soon to say anything at all. If you read beyond that sentence you quoted you will see that I state various reasons why this might be, including that Sony have released its console in more countries than Microsoft which means the stock will be lower.

Now if you read the bit you did quote you will see that I am referring to those who said it would be a COLOSSAL FAILURE. I agree when you say it's not winning, but if you're going to call it a colossal failure at this point I would like to know your definition of small success. Because that must mean they sell 10 consoles to every single living person in the world if you're going to this a COLOSSAL FAILURE.

Edit: Also it seems you to have misunderstood my comment about their stock.

I didn't mean that they had less stock GLOBALLY, I specifically said this might indicate that they had less stock in USA. You know, the country where it has currently sold the most.

Seriously, did you make even a slight attempt to read my post? I'll be honest and say I didn't bother with yours because you blatantly ignored ALL of mine and just went straight to disagreeing.

Considering the amount of market share they appear to have given up to Sony, yes, I think it would be appropriate for some to think of this as a colossal failure. Maybe it's not a big enough failure to end the division altogether but they had everything going for them before E3. A failure is doing the best you can and coming up short because the competition was better. A colossal failure is shooting yourself in the foot such that your competition has a significant headstart and don't even have to directly compete with you except to rub your own errors in your face.

Now, in the US the damage isn't as bad as it could have been. They went from around 2/3rds of the market (often doubling Sony in sales in the US)to very close to 50-51%. This was Microsoft's territory. The big one keeping them afloat. They even gave up ground around the world by entirely dropping some markets and delaying release to the others.

This is potentially catastrophic for them to be equal to a competitor whose traditional area of strength was the rest of the world only and not the US. In those other areas, Sony has also made huge strides. In Europe, Sony had a smaller lead over the 360 than Microsoft had over the ps3 in the US. Now it looks like Sony's lead has expanded significantly into to potentially be more than 66%. Add that to the ps4 being the only one of the two launching in Asian markets and I would absolutely think colossal failure could be used here.

However, as you said, we're looking at three months of data. It'll take a couple years to review the long term trends and to see what changes the two companies make along the way.

As for the stock comment. I'm not sure what the distinction between global supply and local supply matters in the modern market where shipments around the world require little time. Sony did send shipments every week. They just couldn't send enough. But I do agree that a failure to stock shelves in the US likely resulted in people getting an XBO because it was available rather than by preference.

Lightknight:
Considering the amount of market share they appear to have given up to Sony, yes, I think it would be appropriate for some to think of this as a colossal failure. Maybe it's not a big enough failure to end the division altogether but they had everything going for them before E3. A failure is doing the best you can and coming up short. A colossal failure is shooting yourself in the foot such that your competition has a significant headstart.

So still not trying to understand or read my post. Well I can see you're not going to make an attempt either so I'm not going to bother with a decent reply.

Yopaz:

Lightknight:
Considering the amount of market share they appear to have given up to Sony, yes, I think it would be appropriate for some to think of this as a colossal failure. Maybe it's not a big enough failure to end the division altogether but they had everything going for them before E3. A failure is doing the best you can and coming up short. A colossal failure is shooting yourself in the foot such that your competition has a significant headstart.

So still not trying to understand or read my post. Well I can see you're not going to make an attempt either so I'm not going to bother with a decent reply.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you in the majority of the discussion so much as contributing. Does that clear things up? The component that I am disagreeing with you in is why I think colossal failure would be admissable here. It's not how many units it has successfully sold. It's how many it should have sold in relation to the competition. A generation that loses larges amounts of market share is a failure.

You also responded to me while I was editing my post. I thought it best to add some numbers and a few things like clarifying that this is only information gained from three months. Something you and I agree is too little time. Especially when Microsoft can make any number of changes.

Oh, I'll also respond to the OP here with the comment that the NDP isn't talking about the number of consoles sold. They're talking about the amount of money changing hand. Don't forget that every XBO sold is an additional $100 over every ps4 sold.

However, 6 of the top 10 software spots is impressive any way you slice it. Here is my analysis of it:

http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2013/USA/ (just go down the list and only count the ones with WiiU, PS4, or XBO and only look at the "yearly" column rather than total)

1. New Super Mario Bros. U (WiiU 945k)
2. COD: Ghosts (XBO 941k)
3. COD: Ghosts (PS4 815k)
4. Nintendo Land (WiiU 686k)
5. Super Mario 3D World (WiiU 666k)
6. New Super Luigi U (WiiU 661)
7. Battlefield 4 (XBO 640k)
8. Battlefield 4 (Ps4 589k)
9. Assassin's Creed IV (PS4 520k)
10. Forza Motorsport 5 (XBO 509k)

I count 4 = WiiU, 3 = XBO, and 3 = PS4

Note that 4 and 5 come bundled together. I do not know if NDP thinks of these as software sales so much as a WiiU bundle like Nintendo land is too. Perhaps they didn't count WiiU? That'd be interesting if that's how the government views the WiiU as not a next gen console... It is nice to see WiiU games on the list though. I suppose they did have a year to sell compared to the other consoles' less than two months to sell.

1. COD: Ghosts (XBO 941k)
2. COD: Ghosts (PS4 815k)
3. Battlefield 4 (XBO 640k)
4. Battlefield 4 (Ps4 589k)
5. Assassin's Creed IV (PS4 520k)
6. Forza Motorsport 5 (XBO 509k)
7. Dead Rising 3 (XBO 495k)
8. NBA 2k14 (ps4 425k)
9. Ryse (XBO 414k)
10. Killzone: Shadow Fall (PS4 406k)

Hmm, I'm still seeing 5 and 5. There's no way they would be 6 if WiiU was included so I think the real story here may be that the government doesn't see the WiiU as next gen, which would indeed be insulting.

 

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