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Hewlett Packard Promotes Windows 7 On New PCs

HP Windows 7 ad

Hewlett Packard is promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 8 as a "familiar and intuitive environment."

The unfamiliar interface of Windows 8, Microsoft's attempt to bring PCs, mobiles and tablets together under a single big tent, left a lot of people scratching their heads. I'm not aware of it being plagued by any major technical flaws but imposing an interface designed first and foremost for touchscreens onto a mouse-and-keyboard environment, and abruptly cutting out the "Start" button we've grown so used to over the past decade and change, left an awful lot of users cold.

Recognizing this fact and presumably sensing an opportunity, Hewlett Packard has taken the unusual step of recommending Windows 7 as a preferred option on new PCs. Head over to HP's "Home and Home Office Store" and you'll be greeted by a message stating, "Back by popular demand: Windows 7 PCs," along with links to desktops and laptops all sporting Microsoft's previous-gen operating system. Windows 8.1 rigs are still available, of course; just scroll down a bit, past all the big savings, and there they are.

I can't recall anytime in the past when a major PC manufacturer rolled back to an earlier version of Windows - and, even more importantly, made such a big deal out of it. And while Microsoft may not be entirely pleased by the tactic, there's no arguing the numbers: As we noted earlier this month, less than 21 percent of Steam gamers have adopted Windows 8 or 8.1 since its release in late 2012, while nearly 66 percent are still using Windows 7.

I remain a committed Windows 7 user myself, with no interest in upgrading until Windows 9 makes the scene. How about you?

Source: Hewlett Packard

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There appears to be a slight mistake in the tag-line. Should read " promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 8"

Here's hoping that Microsoft follows the cycle and that their next OS is the good one.

Hewlett Packard is promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 7 as a "familiar and intuitive environment."

promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 7

Windows 7 instead of Windows 7

wait what?

Smart move. Good for them. I don't think they're the first- a lot of "boutique" custom-PC manufacturers who advertise in magazines have been quietly continuing to offer Windows 7 as an option for some time- but I appreciate a major manufacturer taking the step. Hopefully it will help forward the message about what Windows 9 shouldn't be- but given the relatively early push to get Win 9 on the shelves, that message may have already been received.

As I mentioned elsewhere: When companies that manufacture computers using your OS feel obligated to include a third-party "shut down" button, your OS has a problem.

Andy Chalk:
Hewlett Packard is promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 7 as a "familiar and intuitive environment."

waaaat

Oh look, I've been ninja'd.

OT: Well, that's painful. I wonder if Microsoft will take a hint.

As one of those unfortunate individuals who installed Windows 8 and got too used to it now that I don't feel like going back, I have to say I hope they get Win9 out relatively early. It's no guarantee they'll scrap the live tile nonsense, though.

I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

Megacherv:
I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

The thing is we're sticking to what works and what works is the better interface of Windows 7. I think Windows 9 will be windows 7 with the improved speed of 8. The windows 8 interface is cluttered with all those colored blocks, it took me ages to find solitaire on it.

coolbond:
Hewlett Packard is promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 7 as a "familiar and intuitive environment."

promoting new PCs with Windows 7 instead of Windows 7

Windows 7 instead of Windows 7

wait what?

Winception *BWAAAAAM*

OT: That's kind of crazy that HP has to go back in time to boost sales of their PCs. Just goes to show that MS really screwed the pooch on Win8, although it's not a horrible OS by any means. Perhaps this will give MS some incentive to not completely leave desktop users out in the cold with Win9.

I won't be upgrading from win7 until I see a good desktop OS. Right now win7 does everything I want and I see nothing on the horizon that gives me a reason to upgrade.

What can Microsoft do? HP is one of their biggest clients. I have no intention to stop using Windows 7. I might, might consider swapping to 9 if they include an X360 emulator.

Perhaps you should proofread your articles instead of proofreading

Xan Krieger:

Megacherv:
I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

The thing is we're sticking to what works and what works is the better interface of Windows 7. I think Windows 9 will be windows 7 with the improved speed of 8. The windows 8 interface is cluttered with all those colored blocks, it took me ages to find solitaire on it.

It's cluttered until you organise it to your liking.

I mean, seriously, take a good look at the Win7 start menu, is it really that nice to look at and use? Furthermore, Explorer added the ribbon from Office, which was a genius idea.

Yes, thanks to everyone who pointed it out. Windows 8, obviously.

Getting back to the point, it's an interesting turnaround. I don't think Windows 8 was "bad" so much as just "different," but obviously there's some very deeply entrenched resistance. Does anyone recall something like this happening previously? I can't imagine that Microsoft is too thrilled, although I suppose if it plays its cards right (and Windows 9 really is more akin to Win7, as rumours suggest) it might be able to turn it to a publicity advantage - sort of a "Yes, we've heard you" kind of thing.

Megacherv:

Xan Krieger:

Megacherv:
I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

The thing is we're sticking to what works and what works is the better interface of Windows 7. I think Windows 9 will be windows 7 with the improved speed of 8. The windows 8 interface is cluttered with all those colored blocks, it took me ages to find solitaire on it.

It's cluttered until you organise it to your liking.

I mean, seriously, take a good look at the Win7 start menu, is it really that nice to look at and use? Furthermore, Explorer added the ribbon from Office, which was a genius idea.

I agree that the Windows Start menu is cluttered (and arguably always has been) once a bunch of programs are installed on it, but Windows 8's change to tiles makes it look cluttered and confusing out of the box. I actually like the Start Screen (live tiles have a lot to do with that), but the move to make users type in search terms to find a program is a big change. I still don't use that function as much as I should.

For most stuff, I just put an icon on the desktop or the taskbar.

This is surprising. Usually soon after a new Windows comes out Microsoft forces every OEM to emphasize the new OS over very few units that could ship with the old, slowly phasing out any systems with the old OS. Maybe this complete reversal will get them to do the few small changes that would make Win 8 at least usable. Starting in desktop mode for non-touch computers would be a good beginning.

I am hoping Steam OS at least in a year or so after it comes out puts pressure on MS non to pull this shit again. Maybe with it exposing some more people to Linux, it will get them using ubuntu or another distro instead of MS's force fed garbage. Even Apple knew not to blend a tablet and desktop OS together otherwise graphic designers would be struggling to update their Adobe Creative Suite through the App Store today, while contemplating moving Win 7, Linux, or downgrading to the last good OS X their Mac Pro can run.

Megacherv:

It's cluttered until you organise it to your liking.

I mean, seriously, take a good look at the Win7 start menu, is it really that nice to look at and use? Furthermore, Explorer added the ribbon from Office, which was a genius idea.

To me the whole start screen is cluttered, no real organization unless you take the time to go through the live tiles yourself to set them up in any easy to find fashion which the start menu did automatically. Your commonly used programs got a desktop icon or a taskbar button in previous versions. Then there's all those "charms" and side bar or whatever. There should be one central list that can be organized by a click of a button.Trying to navigate that Metro menu using a trackpad without accidentally clicking a stupid tile has at times reduced me to a frothing hate-rage. The full screen "apps" are crud for a desktop/laptop and opening a program in the menu and another in the desktop starts a new instance when it should open a new tab or window for it. Internet Explorer is the main culprit with that but I'm sure there's more. There are options affecting the entire system that are only available in either desktop or metro, not both. The 8.1 snap view is still limiting compared to having windows you could adjust the way you want. Opening some full programs in Metro cause them to stay in that horrible interface while others realize it's best to go back to the desktop. Then there's newer programs and hardware that worked fine with 7 that take a miracle to get running in 8 or even from 8 to 8.1 have issues pop up. Up to Win 8, the start menu had everything you needed in a categorized and alphabetized list. All they should have done is made it full screen, since, you're right, there is no reason to have menus pop up in a tiny area you are concentrating on when you could have all your real estate being used to find what you want. People are still stuck in the XP days since it works for them, and they don't want to learn a pain in the ass interface. Win 8 is an abomination and it will hurt M$ if they don't fix it or start it all over again with Win 9. M$ knows that but doesn't care and won't care until their pocket books stop getting the daily truckloads they've been used to for 20 years.

Well, I find this rather amusing.

Shunning Windows 8 seems to be a fairly wide-spread thing among computer stores. My brother just bought $2,700 in parts to make his gaming rig and the employee helping him didn't even ask before just giving him Windows 7. It is quite interesting to see a major manufacturer jumping on board though.

Sup dawg, we herd u like windows 7 so we put windows 7 in your windows 7 so you can 7 while you windows

In all seriousness though, not only have I never heard of something like this I didn't think this was possible. My admittedly vague understanding of the business model is that Microsoft, after a while, stops distributing the previous version of Windows to force manufacturers to upgrade and only distribute that. I specifically bought my current machine from Origin just a few months after the release of Windows 8 specifically so I could get it with Windows 7 before it disappeared.

Why does MS released OS that could fit PCs and tablets?
Why doesn't just have 2 editions?
That is one thing I don't understand.

As for another- why do they change things around with every single OS?
Renaming functions, moving them around, etc.
To fool stupid people into believing they are using new and fresh product?
(I still remember with horror how long I searched to defragmentate HDD, when jumped from XP to 7)

Hopefully Win9 will be worth it.

blackrave:
Why does MS released OS that could fit PCs and tablets?
Why doesn't just have 2 editions?
That is one thing I don't understand.

Money
Cheaper to make one and say it works great on everything than spend the time to develop two versions.

I want to hear Microsoft's reaction, it should be good.

Mr Chalk please keep us posted.

The problem with windows 8 and 8.1 at the moment is the Xbox Music and other various built in applications that don't really give users the ability to have windowed on the desktop. I've had to install iamp just to listen to music without advertisements in my face, and have had to re-associate all image files with google chrome so I don't have to open them in the windows native image viewer.

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Shots fired. I repeat, shots fired.

Anyway, I'm sticking to 7 for the time being, and not buying premades.

I like many (I think/hope) tried Windows 8, but in the end I just didn't like it. I really tried to approach it with an open mind. No dice. 8 works to be sure yet I'm one of the many that never upgraded. The interface just isn't for me. It feels like it was made for phones (which I've seen it work well on) and touch screen comps. Been awhile since I tried it, but I heard they updated 8 and are already working on 9. Here's hoping it's something sensible and easy to get into.

I kinda chuckle everytime I read a comment by someone that uses the "PCs are bigger smartphones" OS that is Win8 cuz they all pretty much say "it's not that bad" or "it's not awful". I can't remember reading a single one that said "it's good".

blackrave:
Why does MS released OS that could fit PCs and tablets?
Why doesn't just have 2 editions?
That is one thing I don't understand.

As for another- why do they change things around with every single OS?
Renaming functions, moving them around, etc.
To fool stupid people into believing they are using new and fresh product?
(I still remember with horror how long I searched to defragmentate HDD, when jumped from XP to 7)

Hopefully Win9 will be worth it.

Unification vs fragmentation.

Two versions means two versions to develop and maintain from now, for both Microsoft itself and 3rd party developers who would like to provide their product as both a mobile app and a desktop one.

And of course, users have to use two different sets of programs and systems for much of the same stuff.

One version of windows means one version to develop and maintain, while allowing desktop users not only access to traditional programs, but also gives both desktop and mobile users access to mobile apps.

Personally, while Windows 8 has some flaws that I hope not see resolved in 9, overall I rather enjoy it.

While the lack of a start button required some adjusting to, I rather like having the entire 'mobile interface' thing as an alternative. it's plenty quick and you can still access everything just the same.

Plus, I rather like having access to apps outside of actually using a mobile device, ideally I'd prefer an android overlay, but what can you do...

What I do not like is when I am using the traditional desktop interface and attempt to open a file, and it defaults to one of the 'windows apps' to open it. Sure, it can be changed, but as a default it's bloody annoying when it happens. Nor do I like the screwy little side panel menus designed for side swiping on mobile devices. Pain in the ass on a desktop.

Megacherv:

Xan Krieger:

Megacherv:
I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

The thing is we're sticking to what works and what works is the better interface of Windows 7. I think Windows 9 will be windows 7 with the improved speed of 8. The windows 8 interface is cluttered with all those colored blocks, it took me ages to find solitaire on it.

It's cluttered until you organise it to your liking.

I mean, seriously, take a good look at the Win7 start menu, is it really that nice to look at and use? Furthermore, Explorer added the ribbon from Office, which was a genius idea.

*opens Start menu*

Yep, every single program I use on my computer, right there. In order. just the way I like it.

no searching through bullshit to find a program, and even if it doesn't show up, I'm not lazy enough to not search for it like a normal human being.

Honestly, if I wanted a tablet OS, I would use my fucking tablet. At least it's made with touchscreens in mind, not an awkward Playskool-esque desktop crap.

Really hope Windows 9 takes the pants off it's head and wipes the glue from it's mouth and is somewhat decent, or else I'm probably just going to switch to SteamOs.

Grabehn:
I kinda chuckle everytime I read a comment by someone that uses the "PCs are bigger smartphones" OS that is Win8 cuz they all pretty much say "it's not that bad" or "it's not awful". I can't remember reading a single one that said "it's good".

What I always hear is that Win 8 is good IF your device uses a touchscreen. Otherwise it's better internals but a complete clusterfcuk trying to use any other input device.

A_Parked_Car:
Well, I find this rather amusing.

Shunning Windows 8 seems to be a fairly wide-spread thing among computer stores. My brother just bought $2,700 in parts to make his gaming rig and the employee helping him didn't even ask before just giving him Windows 7. It is quite interesting to see a major manufacturer jumping on board though.

i know what you mean when i got this computer a couple of months ago the guy in the store did pretty much the same thing, actually when i walked in to the store he was actively trying to convince someone not to get windows 8 on it

Windows 9 will have to be pretty darn good before I'm prepared to switch. I hope they bring back a lot of the things they took from 7 such as the Aro theme and the offline support doco. Seriously, why did they remove that.

My university program gives me the pro versions of every (3.1 anyone?) Windows OS, so I installed it. After installing classic shell to bring back the start menu and banish the metro screen and hot corners for eternity windows 8 is ALMOST good enough to use.

Tbh:i have windows 8.1 and I don't mind it. However I always skip to my desktop.I never use the tile start screen. So whats the point of having it i guess...

Grabehn:
I kinda chuckle everytime I read a comment by someone that uses the "PCs are bigger smartphones" OS that is Win8 cuz they all pretty much say "it's not that bad" or "it's not awful". I can't remember reading a single one that said "it's good".

Itīs good. Itīs fast and stable and just in general an improved version of windows 7. Some people might have trouble with the start screen but you can start to the desktop by flipping a switch in the settings, I do.

Really, how often do you even use the start menu? Because Iīve found I only ever actually enter the start screen to quickly get to my mail. Otherwise most complaints really seem quite petty to me. "What? I need to click settings to shut down?! Next youīll be telling I need to press the power button on my phone to mute it."

Now the major complaint I could see is that there simply is no real reason to upgrade from 7. Itīs an improvement but not a vast one. I got it when it went for like spare change for a while there and I`m happy with that purchase but I doubt I would upgrade from 7 at full price.

Jadak:

blackrave:
Why does MS released OS that could fit PCs and tablets?
Why doesn't just have 2 editions?
That is one thing I don't understand.

As for another- why do they change things around with every single OS?
Renaming functions, moving them around, etc.
To fool stupid people into believing they are using new and fresh product?
(I still remember with horror how long I searched to defragmentate HDD, when jumped from XP to 7)

Hopefully Win9 will be worth it.

Unification vs fragmentation.

Two versions means two versions to develop and maintain from now, for both Microsoft itself and 3rd party developers who would like to provide their product as both a mobile app and a desktop one.

And of course, users have to use two different sets of programs and systems for much of the same stuff.

One version of windows means one version to develop and maintain, while allowing desktop users not only access to traditional programs, but also gives both desktop and mobile users access to mobile apps.

Personally, while Windows 8 has some flaws that I hope not see resolved in 9, overall I rather enjoy it.

While the lack of a start button required some adjusting to, I rather like having the entire 'mobile interface' thing as an alternative. it's plenty quick and you can still access everything just the same.

Plus, I rather like having access to apps outside of actually using a mobile device, ideally I'd prefer an android overlay, but what can you do...

What I do not like is when I am using the traditional desktop interface and attempt to open a file, and it defaults to one of the 'windows apps' to open it. Sure, it can be changed, but as a default it's bloody annoying when it happens. Nor do I like the screwy little side panel menus designed for side swiping on mobile devices. Pain in the ass on a desktop.

The problem with Windows 8 is that they didn't go far enough, they just added a tablet/phone OS layer of paint but didn't take any of the better features of mobile OS. Like easy and convenient backing up of apps/programs, you still install software the bog standard windows way.

With OS like Android and iOS all your apps and data are backed up as standard, no need for any other action. Lose your data? Buy a new or second device? Easy as pie to get everything setup and once given permission it will essentially take care of it by itself, with windows 8 you have to migrate the old way which takes more time and more user input.

A desktop OS should never be like a mobile OS but Microsoft could use a lot of the clean and simple utility of certain mobile OS with the ability to switch to more advanced modes with ease, the future will blend the operating systems more and more. Mobile devices are becoming really powerful now and for most purposes they match PCs in function for most tasks apart from core gaming and productive tasks like video editing, they handle browsing, media and office tasks just fine now and storage is about to go through the roof as we are now seeing 128GB tablets sparking a storage arms race.

With smart TV/monitor/display functionality in the future it will be possible to only own one device for everything apart from gaming and heavy duty tasks, screencasting is a little primitive at the moment but it shows potential. With wireless screencasting and input devices like keyboards a tablet can easily be a PC with all the large screen and HID options we have with PCs, as this tech improves it wont make PCs obsolete or give tablets a supremacy it will be a steady blending of the two.

Megacherv:

Xan Krieger:

Megacherv:
I like the Win8 start screen, much nicer then the small cluttered start menu that's been around for so long. Microsoft are changing how things are done and they should stick with it.

I don't know who said it, but some once said something along the lines of "Those who aren't willing to move from the start menu are stuck in the XP days"

The thing is we're sticking to what works and what works is the better interface of Windows 7. I think Windows 9 will be windows 7 with the improved speed of 8. The windows 8 interface is cluttered with all those colored blocks, it took me ages to find solitaire on it.

It's cluttered until you organise it to your liking.

I mean, seriously, take a good look at the Win7 start menu, is it really that nice to look at and use? Furthermore, Explorer added the ribbon from Office, which was a genius idea.

I agree with this, at first I was a bit mystified at the Win8 start menu but once I got used to it I saw that it's actually a vast improvement on the original start menu. It's a lot more intuitive even with a mouse and keyboard, and after I figured out how to get custom shortcuts on there it lost a lot of its awkwardness.

There are some things I think they could do better, though. They really need to find a better place for the Search/Run text box, it's a critical part of starting various programs easily and was better where I could reach it in one click, instead of moving the mouse to the top corner and waiting patiently for the appropriate menu to saunter over for the OPTION to click it.

Can see why they would do that,

Windows 8 really requires a bit of technical expertise to reconfigure so that it acts as if the metro thing never happened.

Just don't use any first-party programs, preferably even get open-source alternatives, and Windows 8 is completely usable and even faster than 7.

Which is really as damning as this article, but I'll say it again: Windows 8, perfectly fine as long as you don't use Microsoft programs on it.

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